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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

I recommend Altair for spots in 1-A

She has 1-A Plot Hax along with NEP Type 2 All Aspects, Acasuality Type 5, PCP as well as Info Manip, Fate Manip, Narrative Erasure, Powernull etc

Also HGR (Narrative Based, Info Based and Concept Based)
 
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BoastJr said:
I recommend Altair for spots in 1-A and Low 1-C

She has 1-A Plot Hax in Both keys
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TheGreatJedi13 said:
Captain in 1-C should be higher now that all story versions are tied to his Divine Being Key, which is low 1-A to 1-A

And it is basically tied to some Fated Journey

And add Versusia (Granblue Fantasy) alongside him, who has 1-A hax and myriad of other hax for basically all of
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For 1-A should at least be higher than Mythos since it treats even Estalucia, Versusia Australia etc at fictional characters
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Also versusia being destroyed or killed would result on the The Sky God manifesting fully if they are in a 1-A plane
 
BoastJr said:
Remind me, are they baseline or a layer higher ? I really can't tell sometimes
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Sky God is baseline, but they are pretty much unkillable even in 1-A and by default all metaphysical aspects erasure does not work
hence the way to kill them is to make be unable to be defined or ascending them higher to the point their ego can no longer define them

And uh, they have 3 layer of other haxes with 1 layer of cm1 accepted
 
Marvel Comics should be #3 on the Low 1-A list, as characters such as Odin, Dormammu, and Galactus have 1-A Marvel soul hax, Dormammu has Sorcerer Supreme level magic plus a bunch of other physiology nonsense (plus Type 1 AE and Low-Godly Regen), Galactus has all of Silver Surfer's power on steroids along with Low-Godly Regen, and Odin has layered invisibility plus enhanced EE, as well as High-Godly regen that's conceptual, informational, and narrative).

You also have Clea, a Doctor-Strange level sorceress with Faltine stuff as well, Doctor Doom w/ prep, the Hellstrom Siblings with mastered sorcery in addition to demon/Hell-Lord powers and their own stuff, Hela with Hell-Lord powers and layered death hax, and Seth is same as Hela).

I say #3 because while the Downstreamers stand no chance, none of these guys can do anything to Fang Xiu's Aca 5.
 
For 1-B:

Give Bill Cipher a free spot (crazy how he unironicallly stomps the entire Honkaiverse).

For 1-A:

Marvel Comics has 1-A+ characters now (including 1-A+ Type 9 Immortality for the Abstracts), so they should be #3 (especially since Umineko-verse was deleted for some reason).

Also, the Cthulu verse got nuked to baseline 1-A so they should be put below the Xeelee and everyone below them moves up one spot.
 
Should Oblivion be alone as a marvel character in Varies? Molecule Man's striking strength varies now. There are also the other characters with m-bodies all of those and Galactus are mentioned on this page. There is also some magic characters who vary like Dormammu who one of the ones that actually reaches above low 1-A. Lastly, Gwenpool. I don't know if these guys can actually beat Morghur but they should be able to beat all below him for the most part.
 
Lou_change said:
Should Oblivion be alone as a marvel character in Varies? Molecule Man's striking strength varies now. There are also the other characters with m-bodies all of those and Galactus are mentioned on this page. There is also some magic characters who vary like Dormammu who one of the ones that actually reaches above low 1-A. Lastly, Gwenpool. I don't know if these guys can actually beat Morghur but they should be able to beat all below him for the most part.
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I'd say Morghur should jump up to 2nd place anyways, since he's got multiple layers into 1-A passives and just can't die.
 
Is Nyarlathotep still above baseline the cosmological page says 1-A is technically possible but not how far into it?
 
Nyarlathotep has no resistances and no passives listed on the page so I think they might only beat molecule man via mind haxs everyone else from marval is not going to be affected via resisting, being hard to interact with, or in Gwenpool's case passive alternating how the powers would otherwise work.
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
already put captain in 3rd 1C spot.
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Eseseso said:
For 1-B:

Give Bill Cipher a free spot (crazy how he unironicallly stomps the entire Honkaiverse).

For 1-A:

Marvel Comics has 1-A+ characters now (including 1-A+ Type 9 Immortality for the Abstracts), so they should be #3 (especially since Umineko-verse was deleted for some reason).

Also, the Cthulu verse got nuked to baseline 1-A so they should be put below the Xeelee and everyone below them moves up one spot.
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On the 9-B list, how does Klein get past Hatou being apparently able to have countless versions of herself across time do stuff to fight him?

I'm not a LoTM expert but I'm genuinely asking.
 
wouldn't work
the only reason dc somehow convinced you that she can win against storm or whatever marvel character it was is because those character history has connection to something like ultimate nullifier etc (that's a stretch even in SBA standard)
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
wouldn't work
the only reason dc somehow convinced you that she can win against storm or whatever marvel character it was is because those character history has connection to something like ultimate nullifier etc (that's a stretch even in SBA standard)
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Dt didn't convince me I just got tired of arguing with him.

Scarlet Witch literally resists having herself or her actions removed from history
 
Fighting Hatou is practically fighting the total potential of humanity. For Marvel that's enough to defeat Scarlet Witch, no past deletion needed.
I do not have enough of an idea about LOTM to know how far humanity's potential extends in that setting.
 
Eseseso said:
What do you mean?

Also, Marvel's humans are on a level of their own. Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom, Bruce Banner, etc.
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Hatou becomes all of humanity, throughout all past and future, and all possible alternate timelines, all the way from the big bang.
So if all of humanity, working since the beginning of history, and taking all the exactly right actions, with all luck always in their favor, can manage to beat you, then Hatou can beat you, because Hatou will make exactly that scenario happen.

And Marvel humans being special only factors into that insofar as humans protected against Hatou becoming them (like Scarlet Witch herself) are not part of the playing pieces she can use. But you still have to deal with everyone who has no protection.
And in exchange, Marvel humans have interbred with many alien species, giving her a path to access those as well...
 
DontTalkDT said:
Hatou becomes all of humanity, throughout all past and future, and all possible alternate timelines, all the way from the big bang.
So if all of humanity, working since the beginning of history, and taking all the exactly right actions, with all luck always in their favor, can manage to beat you, then Hatou can beat you, because Hatou will make exactly that scenario happen.

And Marvel humans being special only factors into that insofar as humans protected against Hatou becoming them (like Scarlet Witch herself) are not part of the playing pieces she can use. But you still have to deal with everyone who has no protection.
And in exchange, Marvel humans have interbred with many alien species, giving her a path to access those as well...
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So basically the Enemy from Faction Paradox but less bullshit, i see
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
Contessa has no hax any passive hax beats her PTV does not work well against hax .
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PTV was basically designed to overcome and work around any abilities she comes across.

Any hax that can’t incapacitate her from the get-go at range can be pathed around.
 
Come to think of it, given the criteria still demanding for the character to be physically in the tier they're being nominated for, shouldn't Hatou go in the 10-A list instead of the 9-B one? Namely as that's her Striking Strength and Durability, compared to the higher tier (9-B) seemingly granted by using "Magic".
 
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Also I gotta change the MCF description because its actually the exact opposite of complexity that causes the mind to shatter
Incomplete Mythical Creature Form【1-A】
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Information Manipulation (Type 2), Corruption (Type 2), Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation (Due to the complexity of the Mythical Creature Form, beings without Godhood are incapable of properly perceiving it, and only do so in partial images, which causes either instant-death or for their mind to shatter. This ability even ignores spatial dimensions. Though as he is only Sequence 4, he only has an incomplete version, which causes him to slowly turn mad while using this form)
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Eseseso said:
On the 9-B list, how does Klein get past Hatou being apparently able to have countless versions of herself across time do stuff to fight him?

I'm not a LoTM expert but I'm genuinely asking.
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I'm not really up to date with current LOM scaling, but can she reach Sefirah Castle? Klein can resurrect and steal power from there
 
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