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1-A soul hax that also is concept and info hax, among other things.
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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier
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Perhaps, but Scarlet Witch resists history erasure.
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Does it retroactively erase the past versions of people?
You see, that is an argument to be made. But then the question becomes: Can Hatou get her hands on something or someone sufficiently bullshit in the past to ignore that limitation?
And it's Marvel we are talking about, so I have a feeling the answer is "yes". Like, for Hatou, getting her hands on the Ultimate Nullifier or something shouldn't be much of an issue.
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no.
Oliver_de_jesus
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Could the nature of Nexus being of Wanda dont mess up with Hatou?, after all, she have free-will in-verse
besides are you sure could she handled the UN and not ****** herself from existence and Wanda come back thanks to Never queen who is higher than what the UN can affected anyways
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Given Hatou's nature, her past versions will pretty much never die then.
Don't really see how it relates.
It's a bout willpower, no? Then yeah, I'm quite confident she can handle it. Girl spend billions of years dedicated to a single goal.
Or she could manipulate someone that can to do it for her.
Of course, Hatou also has other approaches, like start to spend billions of years learning Marvel's magic. Or she could start being other people. Storm, for example.
Arguably outside intervention.
Also, Wanda doesn't need to stay dead, just be dead long enough to lose the fight. Knowing Marvel character's tendency to die and revive, has she really never stayed dead for more than a day?
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What does Hatou do in-character?
And what's to stop Wanda from sealing her away or transmuting her? Also her incredible probability hax.
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Everything simultanously.
To quote the standard tactics section:
Quantum superpositions sure are fun.
Nothing. Defeating a version of Hatou standing before her is trivial.
The problem is she has to do it before the infinite other Hatou's in the hive mind, which exist at any point in time all the way until back at the big bang, do their thing. And, of course, when she uses those powers they only have a significant impact if they hit all the past, present and future Hatou's, as otherwise she just kills one member of an infinite hive mind.
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Asides from putting Storm and SW below Hatou on the 9-B list, please add Silver Surfer to the 3-C spot where Doom and Daimon currently are.
Now that his profile has just been revised, he has:
Now that his profile has just been revised, he has:
- Marvel Astral Form/Soul Hax, which he also resists. He can also absorb souls.
- High Regeneration as well as Immortality Types 1, 2, & 3
- Existence Erasure
- Fate Manipulation
- Transmutation and Sub-Atomic Matter Manipulation
- Can do all of this with ease.
- Power Nullification
- Invisibility that 1-A beings can't sense
- A bunch of other hax.
- A bunch of resistances, including resistance to mind hax that took out a telepath with 1-A mind hax and resistance to both the Reality Stone's Reality Warping and the Time Stone's time hax.
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She is 6-B
Hjdjdhf
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Xu Jingming can be added to 1B？(1B：All prior abilities to a higher level plus,)
he has:
1，Existence Erasure
2， Space-Time Manipulation, Fate Manipulation and Causality Manipulation
3，Abstract Existence and Paraconsistent Physiology
4，Immortality-Negation ，All types
5，Immortality (Type 4, Type8 Type 9，Type 1
6，Acausality (Type 3 and 4）
7， Regeneration （High-Godly）
8，Creation and Power Bestowal
9，Durability Negation, Non-Physical Interaction
he has:
1，Existence Erasure
2， Space-Time Manipulation, Fate Manipulation and Causality Manipulation
3，Abstract Existence and Paraconsistent Physiology
4，Immortality-Negation ，All types
5，Immortality (Type 4, Type8 Type 9，Type 1
6，Acausality (Type 3 and 4）
7， Regeneration （High-Godly）
8，Creation and Power Bestowal
9，Durability Negation, Non-Physical Interaction
AlipheeseXIV
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They should be removed, 2A pages aren't going to exist anymore, it'll just be L1C. Not sure where they will be added on the list though, they should have spots in L1C and 1C respectively however. I'd also like to nominate this Frankenstein's monster for H6A, though not sure if she can be above Gunvolt? Unless I missed something it doesn't look like he has resistance to corruption
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Captain in 1-C should be higher now that all story versions are tied to his Divine Being Key, which is low 1-A to 1-A
And it is basically tied to some Fated Journey
And add Versusia (Granblue Fantasy) alongside him, who has 1-A hax and myriad of other hax for basically all of
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I'm just gonna
Li Qiye for First in 1-B, and with his second profile Second in Low 1-A, and 12th in 1-A
Has 1-A hax and a 1-A true form in all of those keys, a better type 5 aca that he doesn't have to activate, along with a long list of bullshit I'm not going into
Li Qiye for First in 1-B, and with his second profile Second in Low 1-A, and 12th in 1-A
Has 1-A hax and a 1-A true form in all of those keys, a better type 5 aca that he doesn't have to activate, along with a long list of bullshit I'm not going into
ShionAH
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Who does Rick have to fight in Umineko to take the 2nd spot?
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Does it matter? Passive High 1-A hax.
ShionAH
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Damn.
Rakih_Elyan
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Why there is no Su Zhou on the low tiers lol
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Which spots for him?
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This hadn't been applied yet? I forgot about that
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Bump
Also
For 1-A should at least be higher than Mythos since it treats even Estalucia, Versusia Australia etc at fictional characters
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1-A smurfs, you say?
Which key of the Captain has 1-A hax, and what abilities are included?
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mostly 1-C keys
but all keys have Willpower/Fate shenannigans
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What does he lack to be High1-A+?
Nonynho
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All of those characters get stomped by Unforgotten Spectre Liz due to Disturbing Presence's 15-layered hax. It needs looking at her, which none of them can avoid without Limited Prior Knowledge, so she should get the 5th place for 9-A
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Duality is capital B bullshit and will effectively give Janus prior knowledge as he sends one timeline of himself to test things out, and the other to gtfo, with phoenix and his own RE allowing him to eventually gain complete immunity to her stuff (which he already has some degree of resistance to so he won't go gibbering mad off rip)
Nonynho
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He doesn't have layered resistance to anything from what is shown, for starters
Another important thing is that he won't be able to do anything without looking at her. He won't even be able to use this power because both versions of him will start by looking at her per SBA
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Layers are not the be-all end-all of hax potency anymore, and are not wholly insurmountable, and the ability of Janus to adapt all the way up to immunity is still present
Characters do not face each other as per SBA, they only know of the direction the other is in, and start within a certain degree of range of the other, but they do not face each other automatically. Duality's nature still applies and will let him simply gain immunity to her hax either through simple exposure and RE or Pheonix giving him the immunity skill after enough luck
Nonynho
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You see, from the range they have, it is impossible to act without him looking at her. And it is the most natural thing to look at who you oppose if you are a handful of meters away from them lol
From a small exposure he gets crazy, paralyzed and a few others, and from a longer exposure, he dies.
Exposure to Disturbing Presence is making every part of it worse and worse, even the parts Janus'd be affected from the beginning, so yeah, she's basically Janus nemesis/hard counter
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Given his starting move is literally to split timelines before doing anything else, no lol
All shit he resists to some degree and can very easily just get immunity from due to it's potency (gained immunity to causality manip off two uses due to how potent it was, for example), so no lol
Death manip won't even work in this key cause he's a skeleton, and he has no heart to suffer a heart attack from
Nonynho
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That's the problem
If you're far, far away from who you're focused at, it can be argued that you can't see your target, or by conditions specified by OP
But it is a typical behaviour for every single being to look at where they're focusing at unless literally stated otherwise and it is not reasonable to assume otherwise, specially when they're at such a medium distance and both of them are able to perceive more distance than needed
So he won't have the opportunity to have a move
the potency keeps growing and more and more hax enter the mix the more he's exposed to Disturbing Presence, he won't have time to achieve this immunity
Besides all being layered, so all he would resist/be immune to he's not, which is already enough for him to lose since immediate madness type 3 with paralysis is more than enough to be gg
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They start tens of meters away. In Central park. Do you understand how likely it is for a tree to block line of sight lmfao
Nonynho
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This type of thing has to be specified, because there are also several parts of the park without large groups of trees
Also, let's go with that line... Then what?
Whenever Janus looks at her, 15 layers of all of it, going harder and harder until he dies
Janus timeline 2, without looking at her can do...? Oh, if she closes the range, Terrify also has 15 layers
Janus timeline 3, without looking at her and keeping the distance can do...? Oh, she's a sharpshooter and her shots are able to do Energy-element stuff Janus doesn't resist, and she resists a f* ton of his kit if not all of it with damage reduction alone
Janus timeline 4[...]
See the problem? And none of those can take a single peek without getting completely screwed and they can't know that
To assume you'll always be able to evoke the other timeline self without taking a f*ing look at who you're targetting is insane imo
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instead of saying layers value
explain how those layers values are that relevant
if its just number shennanigans from a board game im more inclined to believe adaptation to immunity to be able ot resist it
explain how those layers values are that relevant
if its just number shennanigans from a board game im more inclined to believe adaptation to immunity to be able ot resist it
Nonynho
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resisting stuff is associated with two stats on the game she's in - Will and Fortitude. A normal person's check is resulting in 10, anyone who's not an NPC has 10+(whatever number she has for that stat), usually 0. Each +1 is a layer, meaning both to resist and to attack those +1 are important
Will is the important one here, she can attack anyone who'd have +14 for Will and can resist everything that would take up until a 25 difficulty check due to having +15 Will
He'd need +16 Will to resist the effects. Since he doesn't, in every timeline he takes a mere glance at her, he'll be subject to every effect of Disturbing Presence, until the exposition is too much and he just dies.
It is present in the Liz' profile, but here's a more in-depth explanation for all i'm talking about
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Lol, lmao, no
The potency grows through exposure in the same way poison grows through an increase in dosage, that's not going out outpace mr gained complete immunity to causality manip that could fuse timelines after it got used twice
Resisted so once more he won't go gibbering mad on the spot, yalls explicitly confirmed that even some degree of resistance is enough to do that, so his other timeline self can easily gain further and further resistance without a care
Not even true, the Janus in the second timeline doesn't have to care about not seeing her or being in her presence since he's there to test the waters and what have you, death is not an issue (and death won't even work in this case as it's off the back of a heart attack, which once more, skeleton, no heart to be had here), and is likely to just proc pheonix and give him immo earlier
Him seeing her in the alt timeline is not an issue as duality prevents any negatives from carrying over between the two timelines, such as, for example existing in a fear aura for a prolonged period of time, and only carrying over the benefits, such as the increasing resistance and outright immunity he'll easily gain with how potent you say it is
It is in fact number shenanigans, quoting the CRT where it got accepted
Though reading the thread itself, 15 layers is wack anyways, seeing as how bambu brings up how if the game potentially skips + values and whatnot, and if it does, then layers should be measured off that, and the OP confirms that, saying the game gives values in multiples of 5s, so the layers should be scaled off that, up to 7 layers than the up to 35 currently had
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So 7 layers that are most likely potency-based because no explanation except numbers and interactions.
Yeah, I'm not buying that as capable of overcoming complete immunity
especially when those assumptions assume you roll the highest value from the probability
maybe i should argue 50 layers in granblue using the same logic though
Yeah, I'm not buying that as capable of overcoming complete immunity
especially when those assumptions assume you roll the highest value from the probability
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