TBATE Discussion Thread

[Bitllin12]

I agree with some and have issues with some but regarding Immortality, didn't TM mention in a QnA that Arthur can't live forever?
That kinda defeats the whole point of Immortality

In the Q&A section, he said that he wouldn’t answer the question about how long Arthur’s life extends (claiming he had left enough clues), although he also stated that his lifespan extends until the moment of his death. But you’re right—with what we currently have on Arthur, there’s no evidence to grant him Type 1 immortality (which he will never have, at least for now, maybe). However, there is enough evidence to at least grant him Type 3 immortality and longevity.

Note: I have edited the previous comment by adding the screenshots. I have also added more justification regarding Aether Arts Negation (although, honestly, it's better to leave this for the key of volume 12, to have more feats on this).

 

[Korf3ll]

Arthur Leywin Upgrade/Corrections

Hello 👋 New CRT with some upgrade/Corrections/additions for Arthur Leywin. The topic here is his hax and his range in a fight. Some corrections/additions (up to volume 11) "My gaze flashed to Caera as I felt the oppressive aura of her soulfire, which cloaked her blade in black flame. She...

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New CRT with some upgrade

I put inside it the things I showed the last time.
-> the only v12 part are just for minor usement of current hax, not about the new godrunes or his other new stuff

 

[Korf3ll]

I have a lot of Idea to up Tbate conceptual manip to type 2 -> 1
Aether is a concept (time/space and existence) and the Physical realm is the form/object of those concept (physical space/time and existence)
Aether exist outside the Physical Realm and even after his destruction (Aether realm whipe Physical realm so the concept is alone without the object) -> By logic it exist also before his creation. Arthur could use God step even in the Aether Realm who's an abstract space so the object/Form of space didn't exist. Aether is everything before life and after death (quote from volume 11) -> It show that Aether is like an eternal concept who always existed and who will exist forever (described also like an endless and boundless time).

To be a type 1 concept we need the concept to be indepandant from his object.
For Aether, he exist after the destruction of his object (physical realm), Space concept could be used inside the Aether realm (place non-physical/Without physical space) so he could work without his object. Aether is the concept of Life and death but exist before and after (another proof of the indepandance).

 

[Testarossa002]

TBATE Explanation: Mana, Aether, and UES

Hi This is primarily a formality—an explanation page detailing how the energy systems in TBATE qualify for the Universal Energy System (UES). An existing blog already covers this topic; this page is simply a rework or refinement of that original content. The new page would be formally uploaded...

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[Testarossa002]

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I saw your calc on discord about Uto's feat
Could you blog it on the wiki so we can get it evaluated as a supporting feat?

 

[Korf3ll]

I saw your calc on discord about Uto's feat
Could you blog it on the wiki so we can get it evaluated as a supporting feat?

of course here my calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Korfelllllllllllllllllll/Uto_slam_Arthur_(Calculation)
To summurize, Characters in Uto tier could be possibly up to Country/Large country if the calculation is accepted
-> Either way, it could just give more narrative backup for current small country tier (Lances and retrainer

 

[Testarossa002]

of course here my calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Korfelllllllllllllllllll/Uto_slam_Arthur_(Calculation)
To summurize, Characters in Uto tier could be possibly up to Country/Large country if the calculation is accepted
-> Either way, it could just give more narrative backup for current small country tier (Lances and retrainer

You should probably include the exact values for the "other methods" section
If you're done, let me know
So I can submit for evaluation

 

[Korf3ll]

You should probably include the exact values for the "other methods" section
If you're done, let me know
So I can submit for evaluation

for the other method, it work in a table with interval orders for the various sizes (radius), by exemple : 500m radius = town level via the page linked above

 

[Testarossa002]

Cadell Vritra vs Juubito

Still new to making VS matches here Cadell Vritra vs Uchiha Obito (Ten-Tails Jinchūriki Key) SBA Speed Equalized StatsObitoCadell Attack Potency196.7 Teratons, 200 Teratons while in control. 400 Teratons with Quad Bombs, 183 Petatons with Nunoboku88 Teratons, 264 Teratons with Blood Iron...

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[Testarossa002]

TBATE's Supercontinents

Hey This calculation was accepted mathematically, so I'm here to justify the results in a CRT as advised. I'm still unsure whether a CRT or a CGT is the more appropriate place for this—I'll figure that out as I go. The explanation provided in the blog is very straightforward. According to it...

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[Testarossa002]

TBATE's Supercontinents

Hey This calculation was accepted mathematically, so I'm here to justify the results in a CRT as advised. I'm still unsure whether a CRT or a CGT is the more appropriate place for this—I'll figure that out as I go. The explanation provided in the blog is very straightforward. According to it...

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since this got accepted, I'm going to need help recalculating these feats

• Mica and Olfred play around
• Varay freezes Etistin Bay

don't know much about pixel scaling so i'll leave it to the experts

snip

 

[Bitllin12]

Hey guys, I’m back!

The novel has come a long way, and there are only 4 chapters left until it ends. So, I’d like to take this chance to talk a bit about possible improvements to the Aether.

A while ago, it was mentioned that Aether wasn’t a type 2 information manipulation. But with the most recent chapter, I think it might actually be possible to achieve an upgrade in that direction.

It doesn't qualify for IM 2, SInce it's in no way shape, or form proving that its "information" is a fundamental aspect, not to mention this

The golden threads pulsed with an angry light. “Aether is the concentrated magical energy left behind by a living being when they pass on.” “And it…carries some sense of their intention,” I added, the pieces falling into place in my mind. “Aether is aware and can be influenced…because it was once alive.” Tears shone in my bond’s eyes. “That is why it remembers the shapes it has taken before. Entire civilizations of the dead. Others besides the djinn must have reached a stage where they could utilize aether. The spellforms…are the echo of their collective consciousness bonded into living magic.”

The description of the scan is deceiving.

Yeah, there is no IM 2, in this.

Spoiler

The aether. My insight into the godrune—or the aspect of aether that it represented—had already expanded significantly in these few moments.
Aether is…consciousness manifest as pure reality. The beginning and end of space, time, and life. The spark of thought contained within the semi-aware consciousness.
And so King’s Gambit is…what?

I saw not only the threads themselves, each its own unique and individual thought, but also the space between the threads.
And in doing so, I saw that, really, there were no branches, or threads, or even the spiderweb construct. These were just metaphors for the altered nature of my thoughts, as each idea was far more complex than a simple branch or thread. They were each their own aetheric consciousnesses, each a complex multi-dimensional structure in which to house the unfolding of simultaneous considerations.

I had to look at it from a different perspective.

And so…

King’s Gambit unfolded again. Threads weaving into a spiderweb,
the web unfolding into a galaxy of consciousness. A sort of tessellation.

My mind expanded into uncountable, unquantifiable interlocked planes in which to house every possible conscious idea I was capable of manifesting.
This was it. The truth behind understanding.

And in it, I saw…my own limitations.

I passed through the first phase of Myre’s will into a second, forging a vivum tether between me, Tessia, Sylvie, and Regis,
binding us together with visible waves of amethyst-stained white light.

I wrapped my core in aether and effortlessly shattered its second layer, but I didn’t allow the captured aether to escape.
I pushed it through the tether, embodying my companions with healing and strength as I folded them each into my tessellated consciousness,
their thoughts fitting in perfectly with the countless individual ideas and thoughts making up my mental structure.

(Chapter 525)

Spoiler

“Aether is the concentrated magical energy left behind by a living being when it dies.”


“And… it carries some sense of their intention,” I added, the pieces falling into place in my mind.
“Aether is conscious and can be influenced… because it was once alive.”


Tears shimmered in my bond’s eyes.


“That’s why it remembers the forms it has taken before. Entire civilizations of the dead. Others, besides the djinn, must have reached a stage where they could use aether. The shapes of the spell… are the echo of their collective consciousness united with living magic.”

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Using this text, it was attempted to argue that --> Aether consists of the collective knowledge, memories, and awareness of every being that has ever lived, forming the very foundation of reality.
The problem is that the text does not explicitly state that those memories are the foundation of reality.

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Aether… was consciousness manifested as pure reality. The beginning and the end of space, time, and life. The spark of thought contained within semi-conscious awareness.


—So then, what was the King’s Gambit?


I saw not only the threads themselves, each with its own unique and individual thought, but also the space between them. And in doing so, I realized there were truly no branches, threads, or even a web structure. These were just metaphors for the altered nature of my thoughts.


Each “thread” was in fact a living idea, an etheric consciousness, a complex multidimensional structure housing the development of simultaneous considerations.


I had to look at it from a different perspective.


And so…


The King’s Gambit evolved again. Threads intertwined forming a web, the web unfolded forming a galaxy of consciousness. A kind of tessellation.


My mind expanded into countless, unquantifiable intertwined planes to house all the possible conscious ideas I could manifest.

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This is what the Godrune King’s Gambit is: the structure of ideas that form reality.

The aether is not merely a memory; it is the manifested consciousness that constitutes reality itself. This collective consciousness is the living network that sustains the fabric of the universe: space, time, and existence are byproducts of this aetheric manifestation. It functions as the fundamental plane of conscious ideas that shape reality. Each thought is a living, interconnected structure of ideas, possessing form, intention, and the capacity for evolution.
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"Many things are thought impossible until they become real. Fools insist reality must conform to their expectations, while the wise know that
knowledge of our reality is constantly evolving, timeless and without finality."
(chapter 435-437)

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(And Godrunes are the conceptualization of a branch of the aether) --->


—“Our people were limited by our physical bodies. We struggled not with gaining insight, but rather in figuring out ways to allow our fragile bodies to handle the burden of aether.”


—“I may be speculating, but I believe your new rune took on the appearance of lightning not because it is lightning, but because that was how you conceptualized the abstract nature of that specific branch of aether,” the crystal went on.
—“So the dragons of the Indrath Clan weren’t able to control aether like your people could, or like I am able to?” I asked.
—“They have the physique and aptitude to handle aether but not the knowledge and insight to conceptualize aether as their own, right?”

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—“From my back, I could feel it—the new Godrune heavy in my mind. As before, a name and history presented themselves to me, centuries of design, purpose, and intent woven into the insight like a tapestry.”
(chapters 459–561)

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Note: I’m not very skilled at arguing, so please feel free to adjust the argument, approach, or anything else to improve it.

I'm not very good at this kind of thing, but it seems pretty convincing. What do you think?

 

[Testarossa002]

You're on the right track
It cams across my mind while reading the chapter too
Although, I'd advise waiting till the volume is published before doing any significant revisions (unless it doesn't require input from Volume 12)

 

[Testarossa002]

Now that TBATE has ended, let's have your opinions on it

• Top 5 favourite characters
• Least favourite character
• Best volume
• Worst volume
• What character deserved more?
• Best fight
• What aspect of TBATE did TM execute properly? Same thing for poorly executed aspects
• Caera or Tessia
• Hardest line in the story
• Favourite ship
• If you could rewrite something in the story, what would it be?
• Most crushing death
• Most satisfying death

I can't think of more

For the sake of non-Patreon, manhwa or anime followers, make sure to put your answers in spoiler tags

 

[Nerd_out6]

Now that TBATE has ended, let's have your opinions on it

• Top 5 favourite characters
• Least favourite character
• Best volume
• Worst volume
• What character deserved more?
• Best fight
• What aspect of TBATE did TM execute properly? Same thing for poorly executed aspects
• Caera or Tessia
• Hardest line in the story
• Favourite ship
• If you could rewrite something in the story, what would it be?
• Most crushing death
• Most satisfying death

I can't think of more

For the sake of non-Patreon, manhwa or anime followers, make sure to put your answers in spoiler tags

1 Arthur 2 Tessia 3 Sylvie 4 Regis 5 Ellie.

Dranevee or Windsom depend on the day.

7 or 9 depends on the day.

1 and its not close.

Varay.

kind of depends on the criteria. for emotional depth probably Arthur vs Nico and Cadell. for cool points id go with the final battle against Kezess and Agrona. for satisfaction its probably Arthur vs Lucas. it really just depends on how you want to look at it.

he made a cool world and great main character. he also made an overall kind of weak side cast with only a few notable exceptions and left a lot of plot threads unexplored which may or may not be because he's planning a sequel but i digress.

self explanatory

“I thought of you as nothing more than a mere wasp I deemed unnecessary to kill. But even the holiest of saints would swat it down, without hesitation, if said wasp so much as dared to sting him."

the Dicatheous

I'm not a big fan of rewriting given parts of stories. so all ill say is id just like if he added more lore, made the timeline a bit more clear, and added necessary backstories like Agrona's and Seris's.

Rey's. however a good more low key one is Enola's.

hard to say but ill go with lucas cause it had the best setup.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Would anyone here be interested in this thread?
Arthur Leywin(Aether Core) vs Hajime Nagumo(Arifureta)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Gobta is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Gobta Light Novel First key; VS Arthur Leywin, 3rd Mana Core; Speed Equalized More conditions may be set if the fight is considered a stomp. PS - Would love it if anyone could make an introduction on why they fight.

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Sending this here.

 

[Korf3ll]

Now that TBATE has ended, let's have your opinions on it

• Top 5 favourite characters
• Least favourite character
• Best volume
• Worst volume
• What character deserved more?
• Best fight
• What aspect of TBATE did TM execute properly? Same thing for poorly executed aspects
• Caera or Tessia
• Hardest line in the story
• Favourite ship
• If you could rewrite something in the story, what would it be?
• Most crushing death
• Most satisfying death

I can't think of more

For the sake of non-Patreon, manhwa or anime followers, make sure to put your answers in spoiler tags

Top 5 Favorites : Arthur, Sylvie, Caera, Agrona and Nico

Least fav : I think Seth tbh or maybe Olfred
Best Volume : 7 then 12/11 and 10 at the same level
Worst Volume : The early one like 1 or 2
Character deserved more : Varay or Sylvie
Best fight : Arthur vs Nico + Cadell at the end of V7
Nice aspect are Aether or elements, for the poorly one, maybe deviant tbh, i think that the origin of Deviant magic is poor.
Caera as a character and Tessia for the Ship
Hardest line : "Until we meet again", Almost every line of Hello Derkness and a Dream yet to happen.
Fav ship : No one i think
What rewrite : the early volume tbh, there aren't that good compared to the rest.
Most crushing death : Sylvie V7 or Aya v9
Best death (enjoyability) : Lucas or Windsom

 

[Korf3ll]

Witht the end of Volume 12, Arthur and even a lot of Tbate page need rework.

Just Arthur from what i seen (by direct feats) could scale at least to Solar/ Multi solar and even universal without much problems.

His speed/AP could take x1000 amps just with AC4 and even more at the very end against Fate.

For haxs, general revision about Aether = Cm1 (could be done imo, i trust in this), Fate = Concept type 2 using aether (so a type 2 concept formed by a type 1 concept).
-> I would try to make a page for Fate (because it could be considerated like an entity).
Obviously a full listing of all Arthur's news abilities -> upgrade for his range too (was like dozens of kilometers in AC2 and interdimensional in EOS).
Maybe trying a cosmology page : Tbate could at least scale in low multiversal tier, maybe more (there are some argumentfor low complex)

 

[Testarossa002]

yeah
i'm aware of all that
even beyond volume 12 stuffs
i'm just waiting for the volume to be officially released
not patreon only
obviously, i'm not going to gatekeep anything but i'm just stating the direction i'll be heading in

 

[Korf3ll]

yeah
i'm aware of all that
even beyond volume 12 stuffs
i'm just waiting for the volume to be officially released
not patreon only
obviously, i'm not going to gatekeep anything but i'm just stating the direction i'll be heading in

yeah, even for Soul forged. I really wanna see what TM planned for his new works. there are a little possibility that every work is connected in a higher cosmology

 

[Korf3ll]

Ideas for maybe future upgrade/revision :

Deconstruction hax of Soulfire could be just physical existence erasure because it destroys both mana and energy. Deconstruction is when you destroy in a smaller part, but here since mana and energy are already the smallest part of physical matter -> it's likely existence erasure.

-> It means that all peoples who resist to soulfire resist to EE.

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[karo_senpaii]

Witht the end of Volume 12, Arthur and even a lot of Tbate page need rework.

Just Arthur from what i seen (by direct feats) could scale at least to Solar/ Multi solar and even universal without much problems.

His speed/AP could take x1000 amps just with AC4 and even more at the very end against Fate.

For haxs, general revision about Aether = Cm1 (could be done imo, i trust in this), Fate = Concept type 2 using aether (so a type 2 concept formed by a type 1 concept).
-> I would try to make a page for Fate (because it could be considerated like an entity).
Obviously a full listing of all Arthur's news abilities -> upgrade for his range too (was like dozens of kilometers in AC2 and interdimensional in EOS).
Maybe trying a cosmology page : Tbate could at least scale in low multiversal tier, maybe more (there are some argumentfor low complex)

Am I missing a volume? I stopped and the whole place where Cecile and Nicole returned to their time

 

[Korf3ll]

Am I missing a volume? I stopped and the whole place where Cecile and Nicole returned to their time

yeah, you miss v12 -> chapter 480 to 529

 

[Testarossa002]

Battle of the Time Stoppers [Esdeath vs Arthur Leywin]

Esdeath vs Arthur Leywin (Post Timeskip) AP: 550 Gigatons, up to 250 Petatons with Stored Power (probably not combat applicable) vs 2.5 Megatons, 550 Gigatons with Realmheart, 2.2 Teratons with Multi-Element Combo Lifting Strength: Class M vs Class T Speed Equalized SBA for the rest Ice Queen...

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[Testarossa002]

Sukuna vs Arthur Leywin

Arthur Leywin (Early War Arc) vs Ryomen Sukuna (Full Power) Realmheart is restricted for Arthur AP: At least 2.5 Megatons vs 550 Kilotons, higher with Shrine, even higher with Malevolent Shrine, 9-20 Megatons with Divine Flame, higher with DE LS: Class T vs Class G (even though I can't find a...

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[Testarossa002]

Volume 12 would be out in a week. Hopefully, I can start pushing out threads by next month
Here are the new calcs:

• Lilia Awakens: 0.02 Tons
• Bandit makes a crater: 0.24 Tons
• Mage creates arena: 1.04 Tons
• Durden creates a shield: 1.99 Tons
• Arthur and Sylvie sparring session: 505.1 Gigatons
• Cecilia casual power demonstration: 879.85 Gigatons/1,625,524,750,410,768 Kg
• Standard Asura power level: 4.62 Teratons
• Standard Mountain Busting: 285.6 Teratons
• Fate Scissors: 21.27 Petatons
• World Eater (Standard Explosion): 28.2 Petatons
• World Eater (Cloud): 33.1 Yottatons
• Vera Blitzes Grey: 323.6 m/s
• Arthur dodges Kaspian's Sword: 338,193.07 m/s

Anyone with more calcs can send here
Especially from Vol 12

 

[Nerd_out6]

since the final volume comes out tomorrow, i wanted to just get a list going of everyone i can remember getting a buff this volume and characters that need to be added. I'll list them by level of importance:

1 Arthur (he got like 4 buffs this volume)

2 kezess /Agrona (based on feats they should be relative to arthur in terms of power but we got to see some really cool abilities from them which we now get to add)

3 Mordain (for some reason he doesn't have a page. he should be relative to the previous three)

4 Fate (Fate needs a page. he's easily the strongest person in the verse and we know enough now to scale him)

5 Ellie (she got a lot this volume. her hunt feat are the biggest upscale in the series for shur. this one is definity gonna be a debate)

6 Varay (few feats but great statement. she's stated to be above the likes Kordri so she's do for an upscale)

7 Chul (he didn't do a lot but he's defiantly in need of an upscale and his phoenix form is worth adding. his feat of pushing back the prey of the hunt should put him near people like Zelyna)

8 Zelyna/Nessia/Riven (all the clan head successors should be ruffly equal so we could do all of them but these are the only three with on screen feats so we can just do them.)

9 Perhata (on the wiki there is a tab for wraith that's just empty so scaling her. plus she has good feats its safe to say she's above cadell so i think that's a good start)

10 Tess (in terms of scalable feats she didn't jack this volume but she does have some cool new abilities and should scale to peak white cores)

11 the other clan heads (they all should be relative to Kezess given they can all handle Kezess's kings force and a couple other individual feats like Adamir being able to to have several kings gambit clashes with Kezess. there's also good narrative reasoning however this would just be a good way to put the all 8 races on the wiki. very low priority tho)

12 Khaernos (his kamikaze move was pretty OP but that's kind of it)

these are the big once i think we can scale based on what we have.

 

[Korf3ll]

Volume 12 would be out in a week. Hopefully, I can start pushing out threads by next month
Here are the new calcs:

• Lilia Awakens: 0.02 Tons
• Bandit makes a crater: 0.24 Tons
• Mage creates arena: 1.04 Tons
• Durden creates a shield: 1.99 Tons
• Arthur and Sylvie sparring session: 505.1 Gigatons
• Cecilia casual power demonstration: 879.85 Gigatons/1,625,524,750,410,768 Kg
• Standard Asura power level: 4.62 Teratons
• Standard Mountain Busting: 285.6 Teratons
• Fate Scissors: 21.27 Petatons
• World Eater (Standard Explosion): 28.2 Petatons
• World Eater (Cloud): 33.1 Yottatons
• Vera Blitzes Grey: 323.6 m/s
• Arthur dodges Kaspian's Sword: 338,193.07 m/s

Anyone with more calcs can send here
Especially from Vol 12

Arthur's feat with Kaspian should be the sub rela version tbh, using 35m/s for someone who's thousand of time stronger and faster than Base Red core Reylnold whos transonic+.

I have a calc to made for Arthur dodging blaster bullet in the anime (he dodge at the last moment so we could maybe find some hypersonic scale or more)

By the way on CSAP i started to make page (in waiting of CRT here) with Archons page (if we assume they are real) https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Archons_(TBATE) it will give some clue for the following CRT for hax part (since now we can scale the whole cosmology complex multiversal i think)

 

[Testarossa002]

since the final volume comes out tomorrow, i wanted to just get a list going of everyone i can remember getting a buff this volume and characters that need to be added. I'll list them by level of importance:

1 Arthur (he got like 4 buffs this volume)

2 kezess /Agrona (based on feats they should be relative to arthur in terms of power but we got to see some really cool abilities from them which we now get to add)

3 Mordain (for some reason he doesn't have a page. he should be relative to the previous three)

4 Fate (Fate needs a page. he's easily the strongest person in the verse and we know enough now to scale him)

5 Ellie (she got a lot this volume. her hunt feat are the biggest upscale in the series for shur. this one is definity gonna be a debate)

6 Varay (few feats but great statement. she's stated to be above the likes Kordri so she's do for an upscale)

7 Chul (he didn't do a lot but he's defiantly in need of an upscale and his phoenix form is worth adding. his feat of pushing back the prey of the hunt should put him near people like Zelyna)

8 Zelyna/Nessia/Riven (all the clan head successors should be ruffly equal so we could do all of them but these are the only three with on screen feats so we can just do them.)

9 Perhata (on the wiki there is a tab for wraith that's just empty so scaling her. plus she has good feats its safe to say she's above cadell so i think that's a good start)

10 Tess (in terms of scalable feats she didn't jack this volume but she does have some cool new abilities and should scale to peak white cores)

11 the other clan heads (they all should be relative to Kezess given they can all handle Kezess's kings force and a couple other individual feats like Adamir being able to to have several kings gambit clashes with Kezess. there's also good narrative reasoning however this would just be a good way to put the all 8 races on the wiki. very low priority tho)

12 Khaernos (his kamikaze move was pretty OP but that's kind of it)

these are the big once i think we can scale based on what we have.

I don't think i'll be making new profiles. at least, not from scratch
Fortunately, neither do you or anyone else
Here's a template for making profiles

Testarossa002/Profile Template

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You can lift character information/bio data from the TBATE wiki
If it's a mage, most of the abilities for their cores are already indexed here

Mana Manipulation (The Beginning After The End)

This page serves to index the various abilities granted by mana manipulation in TBATE. Mana Core represents a mage's ability to store and utilize mana, classified into six colors: black, red, orange, yellow, silver, and white. Progression through these colors reflects the purification of the...

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specific individual abilities can be added after that
If it's an Asura, they get all White Core abilities plus whatever abilities you can find on Taci's page

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Taci_Thyestes

If it's a Basilisk like Khaernos, they get all decay attribute pna too

For stats
You don't need to concern yourself with tiers for now. You can just index relevant feats. For example, Zelyna:
AP: TBD (Could keep up in casual encounter with TLAC Arthur)
And just like that, you have a profile that's 90% completed

I have a calc to made for Arthur dodging blaster bullet in the anime (he dodge at the last moment so we could maybe find some hypersonic scale or more)

would be great as supporting feats, thanks

 

[Korf3ll]

I don't think i'll be making new profiles. at least, not from scratch
Fortunately, neither do you or anyone else
Here's a template for making profiles

Testarossa002/Profile Template

vsbattles.fandom.com

You can lift character information/bio data from the TBATE wiki
If it's a mage, most of the abilities for their cores are already indexed here

Mana Manipulation (The Beginning After The End)

This page serves to index the various abilities granted by mana manipulation in TBATE. Mana Core represents a mage's ability to store and utilize mana, classified into six colors: black, red, orange, yellow, silver, and white. Progression through these colors reflects the purification of the...

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specific individual abilities can be added after that
If it's an Asura, they get all White Core abilities plus whatever abilities you can find on Taci's page

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Taci_Thyestes

If it's a Basilisk like Khaernos, they get all decay attribute pna too

For stats
You don't need to concern yourself with tiers for now. You can just index relevant feats. For example, Zelyna:
AP: TBD (Could keep up in casual encounter with TLAC Arthur)
And just like that, you have a profile that's 90% completed

would be great as supporting feats, thanks

okay ty for the informations ^^

 

[Testarossa002]

You say that authors should have internal consistency when it comes to powerscaling and some people look at you like you have 3 heads
Peak Arthur moving at his fastest

The strike slammed into an immovable counter-force, and my momentum stopped, jarring me and conjuring a marrow-deep ache through my whole body. I looked down at a white-gauntleted hand gripping my wrist. My eyes snapped up to meet Agrona’s, and he raised a brow slightly. In front of me, there was a thunderous boom as the air of my supersonic passage slammed back together.

Ch. 1 Reynolds

No, my father was a much better fighter. When he put on his two iron gauntlets, even I felt compelled to drop my underwear (or diaper) for him. With quick and firm movements that were surprising for his build, his fists carried enough force to break the sound barrier, but were fluid enough to not leave an opening. In my world, he would have been classed as a high-tier fighter, leading a squad of soldiers, but to me, he was my idiot father.

Ch. 8 Helen

I tried to free myself to block the man before he got in range to attack Angela, but before I could pull myself away from my mother, it was already over.
The fierce sound of the shot came only after the arrow had done its job. Helen’s shot had carried a force powerful enough to pierce through the armored chest of the machete-wielding bandit and lift him up and back a half-dozen meters, nailing him into the ground.

Nearly dead Bairon

But I had to turn away as I aimed for Aya’s falling body. There was a low boom as I reached my top speed, scooping her out of the air just before she would have crashed into the rubble of one of the many buildings destroyed in the fighting.

Not that the Arthur stuff isn't an obvious outlier but it's just interesting to point out TM's thoughts

 

[Nierre]

For the sake of non-Patreon, manhwa or anime followers, make sure to put your answers in spoiler tags

how far along is the manhwa?

 

[Testarossa002]

how far along is the manhwa?

Ch. 236
Which is early Volume 7 for the novel

 

[Korf3ll]

You say that authors should have internal consistency when it comes to powerscaling and some people look at you like you have 3 heads
Peak Arthur moving at his fastest

Ch. 1 Reynolds

Ch. 8 Helen

Nearly dead Bairon


Not that the Arthur stuff isn't an obvious outlier but it's just interesting to point out TM's thoughts

the fact that Arthur was ejected at supersonic speed By agrona just give to Agrona an insane feat of Attack potency and even speed, because he was able to bypass Arthur's strength to eject him at a supersonic speed (if Arthur was surprised it was mainly because he was ejected and so, his durability/strength was bypassed.

For exemple, Seris with average attacks is already FTL with Mica's BH feat.

To backup why Kaspian's sword should at least transonic, it was stated in the beginning of the fight that Kaspian's attack where super fast by Arthur, and then Arthur stated himself that Kaspian's attacks where faster than before. Even Arthur was forced to use his fire attribute to dodge it

 

[Testarossa002]

I have a scaling problem (ofc it's Tessia's fault)
Tessia has this

I stared as Tessia stroked the pendant like it was a newborn. The elven princess was a powerful mage on the cusp of being a white core, a beast tamer capable of leveling mountains… yet, her narrow shoulders and her thin, pale arms seemed so delicate.

I want to start scaling mountain busting statements in TBATE to 200ish Teratons. Which isn't really an issue if it scales to Tessia alone, Problem comes when:

A flash of red emerged on the ice mage’s pale face. “You’re right. My apologies.”
“I won’t pretend to be as strong as Arthur was when he defeated Jagrette, but I don’t need to be,” Tessia said seriously. “I’ll hold off Bilal along with Albod, who’ll be keeping the other guards busy, long enough for the rest of you to secure the imprisoned elves and send them back to the sanctuary.”

Tessia is confirmed weaker than Post Training Arthur. The problem isn't the general idea. The issue is which specific version of Arthur, Base or Realmheart.
Tessia has NEVER seen Realmheart in action, so it's likely his base form that's >> Tessia. However, Base Arthur scales to people who have no business scaling that high. Even from a downscale POV. Madam Astrea and other high yellow - early silver mages simply have no feats that won't make their rating an outlier
So we have these options
1. Scale Tessia's statement to just Realmheart Arthur
2. Scale to Base Arthur but don't scale anybody not high silver at the minimum to him
3. Don't scale Tessia that high at all. Use the minimum Low 7-B rating. That'd make it less of an outlier
4. Provide Tier 6 feats for Yellow - Silver mages

Thoughts?

 

[Nerd_out6]

so

I have a scaling problem (ofc it's Tessia's fault)
Tessia has this

I want to start scaling mountain busting statements in TBATE to 200ish Teratons. Which isn't really an issue if it scales to Tessia alone, Problem comes when:

Tessia is confirmed weaker than Post Training Arthur. The problem isn't the general idea. The issue is which specific version of Arthur, Base or Realmheart.
Tessia has NEVER seen Realmheart in action, so it's likely his base form that's >> Tessia. However, Base Arthur scales to people who have no business scaling that high. Even from a downscale POV. Madam Astrea and other high yellow - early silver mages simply have no feats that won't make their rating an outlier
So we have these options
1. Scale Tessia's statement to just Realmheart Arthur
2. Scale to Base Arthur but don't scale anybody not high silver at the minimum to him
3. Don't scale Tessia that high at all. Use the minimum Low 7-B rating. That'd make it less of an outlier
4. Provide Tier 6 feats for Yellow - Silver mages

Thoughts?

first Tess has seen Realmheart a few times. she likely saw it as a kid when Arthur was training with virion and she also saw it at the end of volume 7 when Arthur was battling Nico initially.

as for where she scales in verse we call go off of her feats against Bilal. Bilal was a retainer trained by Veissa since he was a child. he is a replacement but we can use the other feats from his siblings to justify him being at the level of a retainer. for example based on how the retainers are appointed each replacing retainer should be weaker than the previous meaning: Jagrette > Bilal > Bivrea. Bivrea was able to stall out: a weakened Ceara, Claire in her mech suit (who's stated to be at the level of a silver core), and a juiced up Ellie {who should be relative to a initial silver core in terms of mana capacity) with relatively no issue. this same Ceara was able to pretty easily dispatch Wolfrum and his squad. so overall its pretty clear based on that feat alone Bivrea and by extension her brother are retainer level. Retainer are all shown to be at least mountain level as war arc lance=retainers.

so overall I'd say V8 Tess is also mountain level given she was able to beat Bilal however EOS Tess is an entirely different story.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Villain with Good Publicity(Agrona Vritra{The Beginning After the End} vs Aura Michibane{Bleach})

Agrona Vritra Aura Michibane Distance: 10 meters Speed Equalized SBA for the rest

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[Korf3ll]

I have a scaling problem (ofc it's Tessia's fault)
Tessia has this

I want to start scaling mountain busting statements in TBATE to 200ish Teratons. Which isn't really an issue if it scales to Tessia alone, Problem comes when:

Tessia is confirmed weaker than Post Training Arthur. The problem isn't the general idea. The issue is which specific version of Arthur, Base or Realmheart.
Tessia has NEVER seen Realmheart in action, so it's likely his base form that's >> Tessia. However, Base Arthur scales to people who have no business scaling that high. Even from a downscale POV. Madam Astrea and other high yellow - early silver mages simply have no feats that won't make their rating an outlier
So we have these options
1. Scale Tessia's statement to just Realmheart Arthur
2. Scale to Base Arthur but don't scale anybody not high silver at the minimum to him
3. Don't scale Tessia that high at all. Use the minimum Low 7-B rating. That'd make it less of an outlier
4. Provide Tier 6 feats for Yellow - Silver mages

Thoughts?

tbh giving tier 6 for yellow core seems crazy, we should just take option 2 that seem the most consistent anyway. in volume 8, Tessia in an High silver core so in her Mana output she sould be comparable to volume 6 (base only) Mana core Arthur.

 

[Testarossa002]

tbh giving tier 6 for yellow core seems crazy, we should just take option 2 that seem the most consistent anyway. in volume 8, Tessia in an High silver core so in her Mana output she sould be comparable to volume 6 (base only) Mana core Arthur.

Arthur has his own problems but here's the first thread

TBATE: Low to Mid Tiers Revisions

Hello, TBATE has officially ended with Volume 12. Time for some revisions That's all Note: The pages would only be updated once the stat revisions are done Agree: Disagree: Neutral:

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