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Damn i imagine if the soul had mass
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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD
- Thread starter ZillertheBucko
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Damn i imagine if the soul had mass
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you... can't get FTL KE
Moon_Crasher
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High Universal.
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Yeah i know but just imagine if you could....
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I DON'T WANT HIGH 3-A DELTARUNE ECHIDNA
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FTL KE is actually an imaginary number btw, how would you powerscale that?
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Make the soul able to change mass to 0 since it can change size
Edit: soo since size and mass are realated how you guys think a object that can swap bettewen mass and no-mass would do here ? Does that make since to you ?
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AP:
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 304039 joules (Wall Level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 2.637624043977 Kilotons (Small Town Level)
Speed:
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 82.1 (High Hypersonic+)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
LS:
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 304039 joules (Wall Level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 2.637624043977 Kilotons (Small Town Level)
Speed:
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 82.1 (High Hypersonic+)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
LS:
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)
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Spamton really is weak as **** lmao
LittleGuy99
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Small Town Level? Peak
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Spamton vs any enemy from ch 4 or 5
Lilybitdun
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Mommy moving like Shanks
Kellex
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I did a check up on the measurements of Golden Tenna and it doesn't look right because the aspect ratio is stretched.
Height is fine, but the other line on the foot should be one meter less with the OG aspect ratio. Like this:
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LittleGuy99
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Something something Chapter 5
Axorandom0
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I’ve got bad news
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About that...
AyOgUyS
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FTL DR is still BS imo, maybe we can try another downgrade attempt later
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There is a chance that all plants from ch 5 have a light based bullet
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Here something funny about the flowers from the mantle game
Stationary, attacks by shooting flashing projectiles at HERO_SWORD. Has three variants that behave identically.
Stationary, attacks by shooting flashing projectiles at HERO_SWORD. Has three variants that behave identically.
Qurbonboev
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You would need to wait some time to do so, and at this point just wait for chapter 5 release
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- Who is "we"?
- This kind of stubbornness is what gave a Discussion Rule against attempts to remove FTL/MFTL Jojo, don't make us prompt one for DR too, thanks.
LittleGuy99
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Better
OrangeFR
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Bro it got tried ONE time
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Two in just the first half of this year*Bro it got tried ONE time
Deltarune Speed Downgrate CRT
The Deltarune Verse and all its characters are apparently faster than light because of attacks that utilize lasers. We clearly see that these lasers utilized by the zappers are NOT moving as fast as real light does. It's a case of occam's razor to me: What is more likely? A. Everyone in this...
OrangeFR
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TWO times.Two in just the first half of this year*
Deltarune Speed Downgrate CRT
The Deltarune Verse and all its characters are apparently faster than light because of attacks that utilize lasers. We clearly see that these lasers utilized by the zappers are NOT moving as fast as real light does. It's a case of occam's razor to me: What is more likely? A. Everyone in this...vsbattles.com
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Yeah, but the arguments don't change that much at all, and I think we're getting tired of constantly going into this thug of war. I bet that this year we're getting around other 3 attempts.
AyOgUyS
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Yea. I'll wait til I've actually finished the CRT I'm already working on before looking to reattempt removing FTL scaling
AyOgUyS
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Well at least me, Robo, OrangeFR, and Moon Crasher by the looks of it
I don't know anything about Jojo so I will not comment on this
Eh I'll see what I can do, I'll gather support for the downgrade first
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Hm?
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Establishing a Discussion Rule for MFTL Scaling
Permission for this post was granted by @Emirp sumitpo , and thank you to @M3X_2.0 for helping me write this up. There are three things certain in JoJo scaling: 8-B denial, begging for Class G, and persistent MFTL downgrade attempts. Hopefully after this thread however, one of these constants...
Brotha making stuff for the sake of downgrading does not make you look good, it only makes you look biased if anything.
AyOgUyS
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I already have a minor UT CRT, major Sonic CRT, and semi-major KNY CRT in the works so I'd like to get those settled before adding more to my list
I was referring more about waiting to see if Chapter 5 makes FTL more or less consistent, I apologize for my misleading statement.
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If that's the case then it's whatever, I do not like this "Chapter 5 WILL make the verse Human speed!" mentality, it's not like anyone here is in contact with Toby Fox and discusses powerscaling with him.
AyOgUyS
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Well I do not think it is guaranteed Chapter 5 will give anything notable scaling wise but it is never a bad idea to index more feats.
The state of Pokemon right now is egregiously bad in my opinion.
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AyOgUyS
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This may be off-topic but I find the idea of cross-scaling between whole different continuities questionable. I also find it weird that we have all regular Pokemon skill and iq scaling to the likes of Machamp and Alazakam, despite those two being notable for their martial arts and intelligence respectively, making them outliers and thus most other Pokemon should not scale.
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AyOgUyS
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Regardless, I find it unlikely that Jojo and DR have the same situations but I may be wrong.
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Yeah another CRT against the canon merge and we're getting another Discussion Rule too
Dude, do you realize that the exact same debunked argument was spammed ever since its original implementation in 2019 right? It was warranted to happene eventually.
The main basics are:
- Multiple attempts to dispute every FTL feat for various reasons, including the "it's outlier" concern.
- Rejecting the main MFTL feat basing on the most dogshit level of media literacy over its mechanisms.
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Updated:
AP:
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 304039 joules (Wall Level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 0.00598707656 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Spamton Neo GPE: 0.02140910457 tons of tnt to 0.03167987091 tons of tnt (Small Building Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
Giga Queen PE: 0.028 Tons of TNT (Building Level to 0.2691189306 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Baseball PE: 1.01502071142 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 2.82016951411 Tons of TNT (Large Buiding Level)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 6.4681948663 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Detatchable Hands KE: 4.94373372693 MJ up to 6.96338152094 Tons of TNT (Wall Level to Large Building Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 2.637624043977 Kilotons (Small Town Level)
Speed:
Golden Tenna is kicked: 28.9330285714m/s (Superhuman)
Rudinn dashes off: 20.9004444445 m/s up to 104.502222222 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 135.1268572 m/s (Subsonic)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 150.7757143 m/s (Subsonic)
Shadowguy dashes off: 28.2249305555 m/s up to 169.349583333 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Knight sword slash speed: Mach 1.4664003415 (Supersonic)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
Detatchable Hands KE: 43.64560153 m/s to Mach 9.768429826 (Subsonic to Hypersonic)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 82.1 (High Hypersonic+)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
Titan Laser: 55.0555555556c (FTL+) (It probably won't be accepted, but whatever)
LS:
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo GPE: 633,218.627296 kg to 849,556.67565 kg (Class K)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 1513.4205363 Tons (Class M)
Giga Spamton is pushed: 4278.43879792 Tons to 5740.16001022 Tons (Class M)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 478,649.6414 Tons (Class M)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 304039 joules (Wall Level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 0.00598707656 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Spamton Neo GPE: 0.02140910457 tons of tnt to 0.03167987091 tons of tnt (Small Building Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
Giga Queen PE: 0.028 Tons of TNT (Building Level to 0.2691189306 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Baseball PE: 1.01502071142 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 2.82016951411 Tons of TNT (Large Buiding Level)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 6.4681948663 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Detatchable Hands KE: 4.94373372693 MJ up to 6.96338152094 Tons of TNT (Wall Level to Large Building Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 2.637624043977 Kilotons (Small Town Level)
Speed:
Golden Tenna is kicked: 28.9330285714m/s (Superhuman)
Rudinn dashes off: 20.9004444445 m/s up to 104.502222222 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 135.1268572 m/s (Subsonic)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 150.7757143 m/s (Subsonic)
Shadowguy dashes off: 28.2249305555 m/s up to 169.349583333 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Knight sword slash speed: Mach 1.4664003415 (Supersonic)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
Detatchable Hands KE: 43.64560153 m/s to Mach 9.768429826 (Subsonic to Hypersonic)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 82.1 (High Hypersonic+)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
Titan Laser: 55.0555555556c (FTL+) (It probably won't be accepted, but whatever)
LS:
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo GPE: 633,218.627296 kg to 849,556.67565 kg (Class K)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 1513.4205363 Tons (Class M)
Giga Spamton is pushed: 4278.43879792 Tons to 5740.16001022 Tons (Class M)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 478,649.6414 Tons (Class M)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)
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It WON'T in fact lol. No evidence of it being SoL unlike these other two things.
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