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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

AguilaR202 said:
And in that same chapter you can also see shenrons teleport timeframe statue nameks lightning, so maybe it can be used for Cells Kamehameha vs Goku exiting orbit between its usage.
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I wanna add that the cirmcustances where Super characters reacted mid IT are way more impressive than cell feat.
 
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'Infinite' Stamina Conditions

Hello, so from a prior drama and 'stat change' fiasco today, I've decided to try my luck and bring about a fairly underlooked issue on the wiki in how we rate some characters by Stamina, hopign we can get somewhere. Ill start off by saying, I dont think this is controversial whatsoever and can't...
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Breadbear83 said:
Hey yall, im doing a MFTL+ calc for DBZ manga, but that would help DBZ anime scaling too, for it, id need videos of either DBZ Toei episode 101 and 105, or Episode 51 and 53 of DBZ Kai

the first ones from Episode 101/51 is of Goku and freeza seeing The namekian dragon balls flying to the sky like in the manga, with shortly after Freeza stating that Namek will explode in 2 minutes/a matter of minutes

the Episode 105/53 is of the Namekian Dragon balls landing on earth, with elder guru stating that its because they followed them to earth (if someonee knows where to watch those episodes, i can get them myself)

feat would be like Trillions of times FTL in manga and anime
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Anything between the billions to trillions of times FTL, as a bare minimun the balls have fly across intergalactic distances due of Namek be in a separate quadrant, place it in another galaxy.

Beside if we want to mention underrated feats, you can also go with Namek Saga Goku be able to speedblitz Scouters as the ones of Burter and Jeice can't either track him his movement or he can rise his power level at max and then supressed it so fast that they can't read it.

The same Scouters who could actually elaborate and transmitt everything that happen on Earth to the planet where Vegeta and Nappa were present in a short period of imte, not just the video and audio but they could also read power levels.

In the Anime we also see in a filler where one of Frieza's planet there its a massive size scouter which could detect Goku and Frieza's power levels/Ki from Namek, making it even more consistent for Scouters to have MFTL+ processing/reaction speeds.

There its also Krillin, Gohan and Vegeta at Namek they could detect the Ginyu Force fly on their attack balls on Namek with their Ki Sensing, and Ki Sensing its actually tied to the user's reaction speeds so it should scale to that at least.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Anything between the billions to trillions of times FTL, as a bare minimun the balls have fly across intergalactic distances due of Namek be in a separate quadrant, place it in another galaxy.

Beside if we want to mention underrated feats, you can also go with Namek Saga Goku be able to speedblitz Scouters as the ones of Burter and Jeice can't either track him his movement or he can rise his power level at max and then supressed it so fast that they can't read it.

The same Scouters who could actually elaborate and transmitt information from Earth to the planet where Vegeta and Nappa were present, not just the video and audio but also the power levels of Gohan.

In the Anime we also see in a filler where one of Frieza's planet they have a massive size scouter which could detect Goku and Frieza's power levels, making it even more consistent for Scouter to have MFTL+ processing/reaction speeds.
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the scouters behave like phones irl in earth, at Speed of Light speeds, when calling someone they reach one end of the world to another in milliseconds, but a scanning machine may not be that fast at analyzing stuff

at intergalactic distances the scouters send information instantly, but you can visibly see that they take longer to scan someones power levels, so first raditz takes some time to scan Gohans power level, then after it was scanned, information is sended instantly to Vegeta and Nappa

dunno but i dont think that would be accepted, at most its baseline FTL from the blitzing technology

anyway im with the Namek Dragon balls calc, i would use andromeda galaxy end for earth to namek distance, but the galaxy quadrants being 1/4 of an observable/infinite universe makes it seems way too low

maybe using the nearest galaxy clusters from earth? im not really aknowledged on how the universe its composed
 
Stefano4444 said:
Anything between the billions to trillions of times FTL, as a bare minimun the balls have fly across intergalactic distances due of Namek be in a separate quadrant, place it in another galaxy.

Beside if we want to mention underrated feats, you can also go with Namek Saga Goku be able to speedblitz Scouters as the ones of Burter and Jeice can't either track him his movement or he can rise his power level at max and then supressed it so fast that they can't read it.

The same Scouters who could actually elaborate and transmitt everything that happen on Earth to the planet where Vegeta and Nappa were present in a short period of imte, not just the video and audio but they could also read power levels.

In the Anime we also see in a filler where one of Frieza's planet there its a massive size scouter which could detect Goku and Frieza's power levels/Ki from Namek, making it even more consistent for Scouters to have MFTL+ processing/reaction speeds.

There its also Krillin, Gohan and Vegeta at Namek they could detect the Ginyu Force fly on their attack balls on Namek with their Ki Sensing, and Ki Sensing its actually tied to the user's reaction speeds so it should scale to that at least.
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also about the users reaction speed and ki sensing, they would still just be sensing them from far away minutes before they land to namek, the saiyan saga gohan example you gave, even from much further away gohan would notice them, its just that specifically for a extremely short moment (VERY FAR from minutes) they moved outside of where gohan was sensing ki, which lead to gohan thinking they dissapeared

also it would be inconsistent as many times there are moments the characters feel a menacing high KI coming at them much before the character stronger than them arrives, for example gohan and krillin could sense vegeta coming when they where wishing to porunga with dende, they are clearly not faster than vegeta who was comparable to 1st for freeza

hovewer i guess that supports dbz manga characters also keeping up with saiyan pods like the dbz toei are implied by gokus spaceship doing so
 
MannyQ361 said:
Would this mean anything for the scanning speed of scouters?
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You know the highest MFTl+ we are finding are related to character reacting to stuff going across intergalactic distances quickly, with a bunch of them being related to Saiyan pods

That would be relevant, surely there are many times were characters are keeping or reacting at those going at top speeds, across many continuities too
 
With how much people say dragonball is acted against it feels like someone could of acted to counter this pretty easily if they thought to add more speed feats to support the multiplers.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
With how much people say dragonball is acted against it feels like someone could of acted to counter this pretty easily if they thought to add more speed feats to support the multiplers.
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Even I, who am obsessed with DB, rarely notice speed feats unless they’re right in front of my face. Most people end up ignoring smaller feats, and I myself had never noticed several speed feats in DB.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Even I, who am obsessed with DB, rarely notice speed feats unless they’re right in front of my face. Most people end up ignoring smaller feats, and I myself had never noticed several speed feats in DB.
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Well I suppose that's fair

I never even noticed the namic Dragon Balls fly to earth I thought they teloported with them ir maybe that they made a new set on the spot
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Well I suppose that's fair

I never even noticed the namic Dragon Balls fly to earth I thought they teloported with them ir maybe that they made a new set on the spot
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That’s actually something I never noticed either. I always pay more attention to the fights and end up forgetting what happens on screen.
 
Breadbear83 said:
alright, 2 MFTL+ Calcs of Billion to trillion of FTL: Here and Here

i thought we could make a Calculations thread to put and discuss about FTL or MFTL+ feats on it (to organized better an all), i have seen for example JJK making a thread to share calcs for replacement of low tiers AP scaling, we could do the same for Dragon Ball speed scaling
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Btw in the freezer explosion calc, while fighting Goku I recall that Frieza wanted to hurry up on beating him to escape to not get hit by the explosion of the planet (cuz seemingly he couldn't abort the explosion happening) so it's implied that freeza by himself could escape from that 1000 light-years wide explosion by himself, it's not only being that his attack speed is that fast

So at least, 10 billion FTL 50%/100% freeza seems perfectly fine, the post gravity training Goku scaling to the saiyan pod may get discussed tho

(All to upscales Namek high tiers and Androids saga mid tiers before the infinite speed scaling tho, just want bigger numbers)
 
I don't know if you guys know this or not—I've seen a couple of you do it before—but only Wiki staff are allowed to actually ping users. It doesn't show up in their notifications if a regular member mentions them.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
I don't know if you guys know this or not—I've seen a couple of you do it before—but only Wiki staff are allowed to actually ping users. It doesn't show up in their notifications if a regular member mentions them.
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O that's...disappointing never used that mechanic but use to discord
 
Breadbear83 said:
alright, 2 MFTL+ Calcs of Billion to trillion of FTL: Here and Here

i thought we could make a Calculations thread to put and discuss about FTL or MFTL+ feats on it (to organized better an all), i have seen for example JJK making a thread to share calcs for replacement of low tiers AP scaling, we could do the same for Dragon Ball speed scaling
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I posted your calculation on the calculation members' walls, maybe it can help you, and I hope someone answers our hopes. We really need feats right now.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I posted your calculation on the calculation members' walls, maybe it can help you, and I hope someone answers our hopes. We really need feats right now.
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thanks

i do want to make the calc discussion thread where i put a collection of all the FTL to MFTL+ people have been bringing up so far, but kind of lazy and missing time for now to check the latest pages of this thread to gather all of them to put them there

if someone would like to help, share me any calc you know so i add them to that thread later
 
Breadbear83 said:
thanks

i do want to make the calc discussion thread where i put a collection of all the FTL to MFTL+ people have been bringing up so far, but kind of lazy and missing time for now to check the latest pages of this thread to gather all of them to put them there

if someone would like to help, share me any calc you know so i add them to that thread later
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A calculation guy seems to have responded to your calculation, you need to post that calculation in the calculation section there.

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Goku and Freeza Reacts to Namek Dragon balls flying

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Huesito88 said:
Low 1-A doesn't by default give Immeasurable speed (technically neither does infinite speed, but I'd imagine there would be easy scenarios where it could grant it).
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High 1-B and above already grants infinite speed so I'd imagine Low 1-A would too
 
Huesito88 said:
Does it, how so? In an "absolute vacuum" how does it actually give infinite speed? (I can definitely see tons of scenarios where it could though)
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The FAQ covers it here
Plus, it should be noted that whose physical bodies land at High 1-B and higher get Infinite Speed by default, as any non-negligible movement across an infinite number of dimensions entails moving an infinite distance.
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Say you're at coordinate (1, 1, 1, 1, 1) and you move to coordinate (11, 11, 11, 11, 11). The total distance moved is (10, 10, 10, 10, 10), which is calculated as:
  • SquareRoot(10^2 +10^2 + 10^2 +10^2 + 10^2)
  • SquareRoot(500)
  • SquareRoot(100 * 5)
  • 10SquareRoot(5) or 22.36
So if you move any distance over an infinite number of coordinate points, that will result in infinite speed being achieved. Immeasurable is never a default rating, however, and must be demonstrated in some capacity.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The FAQ covers it here


Say you're at coordinate (1, 1, 1, 1, 1) and you move to coordinate (11, 11, 11, 11, 11). The total distance moved is (10, 10, 10, 10, 10), which is calculated as:
  • SquareRoot(10^2 +10^2 + 10^2 +10^2 + 10^2)
  • SquareRoot(500)
  • SquareRoot(100 * 5)
  • 10SquareRoot(5) or 22.36
So if you move any distance over an infinite number of coordinate points, that will result in infinite speed being achieved. Immeasurable is never a default rating, however, and must be demonstrated in some capacity.
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I see
 
Breadbear83 said:
thanks

i do want to make the calc discussion thread where i put a collection of all the FTL to MFTL+ people have been bringing up so far, but kind of lazy and missing time for now to check the latest pages of this thread to gather all of them to put them there

if someone would like to help, share me any calc you know so i add them to that thread later
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All the stuff that was sent here so far





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DBZ Speed calc

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LegendariumOfLies/Dragon_Ball:_The_Speed_Of_Genki-Dama (I heard this one was already accepted)
 
Hiryu-Z said:
All the stuff that was sent here so far





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DBZ Speed calc

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LegendariumOfLies/Dragon_Ball:_The_Speed_Of_Genki-Dama (I heard this one was already accepted)
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Thanks

About the genkidama, I'll check tomorrow about statements of characters perceiving the particles of energy heading to Genkidama gathering them, which would support that characters reactions can scale to the Genkidama gathering

(Not that I think Saiyan saga Goku Genkidama scales to this, just like the range of the Genkidama has gotten bigger, like in Saiyan saga just gathering from all around earth, then in Namek it was nearby planets and stars, and in buu saga the whole universe, I believe the speed may have changed, as if Goku's power level was related to the gathering speed)
 
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