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[5-0-0] Whatever's clever, the master foe, all bad guys heard of, nar' a villain know - 2022 Batman vs Light Yagami

Yeah this what im looking for

Not "Smart" and "better tech"
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Batman has actively proven he isn't Bruce dozens of times and to the media.
He's crafted an alibi, I mean obviously, you came up with that yourself in minutes, most rogues have too so it's something he's made blatant isn't true.

There's also the issue that most people don't actually know Batman uses tech, many, including government agencies think he's a meta human like a vampire or demon.

Anyway Ryuk straight up screws Light over given Batman could sense, if not see him outright.
Problem is, Light recognized he was being stalked by trained people before and has not only dealt with that but also has other countermeasurements to be showing why he ain't Kira. From what I recall, Ryuk is not screwing Light because iirc you have to specifically have touched a Death Note to see the Shinigamis, no?
 
OP can you change this to Post-Timeskip Light (Basically Bruce replaces Near and Mello instead of L)? With L's resources, Mikami, Misa, Takaba, 2 notebooks, and his whole cult?
Wouldn't this end up making this a stomp for Light? Or would he have a chance to become overconfident or something similar?
 
OP can you change this to Post-Timeskip Light (Basically Bruce replaces Near and Mello instead of L)? With L's resources, Mikami, Misa, Takaba, 2 notebooks, and his whole cult?
Ngl.
Light doesn't even last 5m in that case as Light is no longer just some kid, he's head of an agency designed to back Kira, and everything leading up to Light being made head is sus af.
Batman will instantly hack every single Kira taskforce tech, gather all files including the shit Watari deleted somehow (he's recovered lost files dozens of times before), and his first place to check will literally be Light himself in the same way Near did.
Mind you Batman has gained access to totally incomprehensible advanced alien tech in minutes, compared to having to not just learn a whole language, computer language, but even a fundamental different thought process. Batman also has hacked and has backdoors in every single government agency on the planet, he even has every single key to every nuclear armament in case of emergency (including disabling).

Light has a better chance without resources, at that point in the story he's literally zeroed in within about 5 seconds in real time.
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Problem is, Light recognized he was being stalked by trained people before and has not only dealt with that but also has other countermeasurements to be showing why he ain't Kira. From what I recall, Ryuk is not screwing Light because iirc you have to specifically have touched a Death Note to see the Shinigamis, no?
Batman can sense spiritual entities. He comes into this with the ability right off the bat. Not to mention, he's dealt with this before and knows rituals and methods to see unnatural entities like the dead, psychopomps and demons anyway so... Actually tried that in one of the runs I listed above to interact with Deadman better.

And Light will never recognize he's being stalked. For example, the two situations from Death Note itself.
Batman isn't the FBI, there will quite literally be zero evidence for Light to pick up.
Batman won't miss the doorknob trick (he's literally been more anal before, not even shifting dust to reveal he's been at a crime scene or in someone's place), his cowl has x-ray so he'd see the drawer compartment, not that he wouldn't find it anyway...
Ryuk will never be able to detect Batman stalking, Batman makes no sounds, his breathing and heartbeat is nullified, even his gait has hypnosis and suggestions built in so people miss him in broad daylight, but even if he did, Ryuk being there just instantly outs Light as being Kira.

Batman omegastomps like it ain't even funny.

DCAU or year 1 Batman might be more fair but I doubt it.
 
Ngl.
Light doesn't even last 5m in that case as Light is no longer just some kid, he's head of an agency designed to back Kira, and everything leading up to Light being made head is sus af.
Batman will instantly hack every single Kira taskforce tech, gather all files including the shit Watari deleted somehow (he's recovered lost files dozens of times before), and his first place to check will literally be Light himself in the same way Near did.
Mind you Batman has gained access to totally incomprehensible advanced alien tech in minutes, compared to having to not just learn a whole language, computer language, but even a fundamental different thought process. Batman also has hacked and has backdoors in every single government agency on the planet, he even has every single key to every nuclear armament in case of emergency (including disabling).
Mmmm Misa or Mikami could be a threat as Light can target Nightwing or any of the Robins who are affiliated with Batman, since while they have masks, those aren't gonna be enough when wearing glasses still makes you vulnerable to the Shingami eyes.


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Mmmm Misa or Mikami could be a threat as Light can target Nightwing or any of the Robins who are affiliated with Batman, since while they have masks, those aren't gonna be enough when wearing glasses still makes you vulnerable to the Shingami eyes.


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In what world will she ever come into direct conflict with them to see?
You can't get it from a photograph, you need to see them personally, and the very fact either would put themselves in that situation just confirms who Kira is, gets the latter two brutally incapacitated given not like she'd ever be able to detect them before they detect her, and would likely be well aware of Misa flying to Gotham or some shit as Batman would be keeping tabs on everyone involved with Kira Taskforce so they know if they're lurking around to remain vigilant. And given the case is super supernatural and is public knowledge it is, they'd be well aware of the face requirement as all the stuff with second Kira was public.

Honestly the plane ticket alone would have Batman act.

For reference, any of the Robins could solve this case too. Tim would take like 10m tops.
 
In what world will she ever come into direct conflict with them to see?
You can't get it from a photograph, you need to see them personally, and the very fact either would put themselves in that situation just confirms who Kira is, gets the latter two brutally incapacitated given not like she'd ever be able to detect them before they detect her, and would likely be well aware of Misa flying to Gotham or some shit as Batman would be keeping tabs on everyone involved with Kira Taskforce so they know if they're lurking around to remain vigilant. And given the case is super supernatural and is public knowledge it is, they'd be well aware of the face requirement as all the stuff with second Kira was public.

Honestly the plane ticket alone would have Batman act.

For reference, any of the Robins could solve this case too. Tim would take like 10m tops.
Do they have any public photos and appearances in the news outcast? Kinda weird for them to be Superheroes and not be publicly known in media
 
Batman can sense spiritual entities. He comes into this with the ability right off the bat. Not to mention, he's dealt with this before and knows rituals and methods to see unnatural entities like the dead, psychopomps and demons anyway so... Actually tried that in one of the runs I listed above to interact with Deadman better.
Well, assuming he can bypass the need for having touched the DN before, if he sees Ryuk in a security camera or something else, it is not directly usable as proof and subsequent actions from Batman are likely more detectable, since they'll include tailing him
Hacking Light won't be helping Batman much, since by that point he's starting to vary his method instead of just writing the names in his off-school hours and L was the one who installed surveillance cameras in his room, which Batman won't be per other posts talking about his method

And if he sees Ryuk by them talking or passing close to each other, it is very likely Light will panic after Ryuk says some stranger saw him
 
So maybe to keep this the most popular debate, Batsy vs Kira

Which batman should we put here?
 
Well, assuming he can bypass the need for having touched the DN before, if he sees Ryuk in a security camera or something else, it is not directly usable as proof and subsequent actions from Batman are likely more detectable, since they'll include tailing him
Hacking Light won't be helping Batman much, since by that point he's starting to vary his method instead of just writing the names in his off-school hours and L was the one who installed surveillance cameras in his room, which Batman won't be per other posts talking about his method

And if he sees Ryuk by them talking or passing close to each other, it is very likely Light will panic after Ryuk says some stranger saw him
Proof? Batman isn't L. He's not playing the same "I legally need proof to detain him to beat him at his game even though I know damn well he's Kira" that L was. The instant Batman is sure he's Kira, Light is being crippled, Batman is using his own Black Magic to detain or nullify his methods as it'd be obvious it's Occult based, and he's sending Ryuk's ass to the Shadow Realm. Then Batman likely gets Za or John to deal with the aftermath.

Also assuming Ryuk can see Batman is a tad much.
Nobody can see Batman unless Batman wants to be seen, Ryuk doesn't even remotely have the senses to detect Batman even if Batman were to stand right in front of him unless he lets him. Maybe if Ryuk was like on the level of Slade or Superman.

Also hacking, as in, hacking the entire city's cams, not his room. Light literally wouldn't even be able to cross a street and he wouldn't even know.

And Light won't exactly pick up on Batman, Batman isn't letting him know he's tracking him, or anyone. Logically even with Police connections, Light would never know Batman is hunting Kira. Batman wouldn't announce he's in Japan or the Japanese Government given he's gone to foreign places many times and avoided working with local police, often for their own safety, to avoid leaks he's there ironically (happened a few times in PC, also recently in Rebirth when he had sleeper agents work for Lex), or because they just wouldn't be helpful, and when he's gone he has Dick, a Robin or someone take his place so Batman activity wouldn't dip to tip Light off.
Do they have any public photos and appearances in the news outcast? Kinda weird for them to be Superheroes and not be publicly known in media
Not like Spiderman. They keep appearances minimal, or if they do it's done obscured so they can't be analyzed. Some pics do exist but they're usually purged right after by Babs. Good reason why lots of people think Batman is a monster still.
 
Yeah, switch Bat with another version. If the Robins don't have any public footage, then I doubt Light can do much here
 
Well

DCAU or Arkham series' Batman?
I feel like DCAU is very reliant on technology and won't have ways to detect Ryuk, while Arkham is too violent and abrupt
Thinking again, as it was indeed quite suspicious how Light rose up in the ranks after L's death, it may be a possible case for Robert Pattinson's Batman, what y'all think?
 
Thinking again, as it was indeed quite suspicious how Light rose up in the ranks after L's death,
No one knows except the task force that Light replaced L. To the world, L is sitll alive facing Kira
 
No one knows except the task force that Light replaced L. To the world, L is sitll alive facing Kira
Well yeah but Batman's first thing would be hacking into their data, getting every piece of info and file that task force has on his plane ride over. And probably retrieving data from Nero and Mello's groups, and Wateri's old deleted data too once he connects them together.

He's going to know sus stuff happened and L is dead before he even lands in country. Solely because it's public L is hunting Kira and the Japanese Police were once involved.
 
Anyone unfavorable about changing this to "Battinson" (lol what a name) and the match being after Ryuzaki's-death-TS?
 
Well yeah but Batman's first thing would be hacking into their data, getting every piece of info and file that task force has on his plane ride over. And probably retrieving data from Nero and Mello's groups, and Wateri's old deleted data too once he connects them together.

He's going to know sus stuff happened and L is dead before he even lands in country. Solely because it's public L is hunting Kira and the Japanese Police were once involved.
I was under assumption Near and Mello arent in this timeline. Or else this becomes Near, Mello, and Batman vs Light which is unfair
 
bump

I'm leaning towards Batman but i think this would be a fair-er match

This iteration of Batman should still be able to see Light's ascencion is quite suspicious and the only fella who discovered his identity was because of a blunder of his while they were talking directly (which he should have learned from)
 
How would he even know?
By getting infiltrated in the police force he can get the data on how the investigation went and why has Kira not been caught yet
This Batman also look a lot on camera footage, so he will get highly suspicious of Light too maybe fetching more evidence with it
 
By getting infiltrated in the police force he can get the data on how the investigation went and why has Kira not been caught yet
This Batman also look a lot on camera footage, so he will get highly suspicious of Light too maybe fetching more evidence with it
Dude. Not even the chief of the NPA knows L is dead. Simply infiltrating the police won't do

The camera evidence is fair ig if he sees the footage of Ray Penber's death
 
Dude. Not even the chief of the NPA knows L is dead. Simply infiltrating the police won't do
Batsy shouldn't be just infiltrating the police, as we see he in the movie he fetches data and does most of the investigation on the batcave, which should be a motel or something even more discreet here

The camera evidence is fair ig
Anything that leads to Light being a suspect is enough to GG, since it would require quite a lot of investigation to figure him out.
Well, it requires a lot of investigating to get to the identity of both, but Batman being in Japan makes him have way more ways to fetch evidence than Kira would have to to the vice-versa (Riddler was very close by looking at newspapers and etc, but even that should be harder for Light to find and use)

I'll add myself for Batman's side, FRA
 
Batsy shouldn't be just infiltrating the police, as we see he in the movie he fetches data and does most of the investigation on the batcave, which should be a motel or something even more discreet here
Again, how is he getting the info about Light rising to become L? That info is literally being gatekept, and that does not necessarily incriminate Light at all. Thinking Light is sus for taking L's place is one thing, but that does not prove he is Kira at all


Anything that leads to Light being a suspect is enough to GG, since it would require quite a lot of investigation to figure him out.
Well, it requires a lot of investigating to get to the identity of both, but Batman being in Japan makes him have way more ways to fetch evidence than Kira would have to to the vice-versa (Riddler was very close by looking at newspapers and etc, but even that should be harder for Light to find and use)
Um no? This is just "Batman investigates, therefore he finds out Light is Kira," but that does not remotely go over the steps he needs to reach that conclusion, and assumes Light does nothing in this scenario. Bruce would have to prove the 13-day rule is false, which only happened in canon cuz some shinigami leaked the info to Mello. Without that, Batman can't prove Light is Kira unless he exposes the fake rule.

Meanwhile, this Batman does not have the same counters as the Comic Batman has to Light, simply targeting Gotham citizens who share the same profile as Batman (Big build, rich, and motivation against crime)

Why would Light struggle with newspapers when bro litterally has access to police files on an international scale due to being a 2nd L? Even without that, bro has websites where cultists leak info for him.
 
Again, how is he getting the info about Light rising to become L? That info is literally being gatekept, and that does not necessarily incriminate Light at all. Thinking Light is sus for taking L's place is one thing...
...that prompts further investigation :>
In the movie, Batman investigates Carmine due to the suspicious involvement Riddler's victims all ended up having with him leading to having the info on the guy before he also gets killed by Riddler

By getting access to camera footage he may even see L's death, prompting him to be more and more sure that whoever killed him (with the same mysterious method used in the victims of Kira) is inside of the police, more specifically, inside of the operation to get Kira, and he will quite easily see that hardly anyone there could get so meticulous plans and kills through. If not through a strong af evidence such as L's death or Ray Penber, other camera footages should be supporting evidence, police files also indicate suspicious behaviour, and he should be able to recover Watari's files too

This guy, who got suspiciously high up after certain point in the operation where strange decisions were taken, is definetely someone who can put through certain plans who lead to strange af deaths whose explanation the police is still trying to understand, and in the start of Kira's killing spree - the one that indicated a student could be a culprit of the crimes - he was one of the few who met the possible killers too
hmmm

Um no? This is just "Batman investigates, therefore he finds out Light is Kira," but that does not remotely go over the steps he needs to reach that conclusion
In retrospect, that was 40% as clear as i'd need to be for your claim not to be reasonable, and it's entirely my bad.

and assumes Light does nothing in this scenario.
Well, by him accessing the police files stealthily Light won't have much to do as answer lol

Bruce would have to prove the 13-day rule is false, which only happened in canon cuz some shinigami leaked the info to Mello. Without that, Batman can't prove Light is Kira unless he exposes the fake rule.
He also has other strong af ways to claim him as Kira, each one of them weakening the line of thought of "this is impossible because of the rule" by planting strong seeds of doubt making "the rule that defends him is possibly fake" a possibility in people's minds

Meanwhile, this Batman does not have the same counters as the Comic Batman has to Light, simply targeting Gotham citizens who share the same profile as Batman (Big build, rich, and motivation against crime)

Why would Light struggle with newspapers when bro litterally has access to police files on an international scale due to being a 2nd L? Even without that, bro has websites where cultists leak info for him.
Riddler was activelly attempting to discover Batman's identity with several forum goons who activelly help him during all parts of their insane operation, and it is not clear at all during the movie if Riddler knew his identity by the end or not, being equally as plausible that he could have or didn't (and was venting to Batman about Bruce being the last survivor of an accident)

Riddler and his goons had access to way more than newspapers and police files, and had the advantage over Light of actually knowing Gotham and being there, meaning if any possible information existed, they would have known

So even though Light is a better detective than Riddler (like, of course he outsmarts the guy with ease), he shouldn't have access to anything more than what they had, leaving "would Light discover Batman's identity prior to him discovering he's full of s*?" with a very dubious answer if not simply "no".


On God i need to watch this movie again
 
y getting access to camera footage he may even see L's death, prompting him to be more and more sure that whoever killed him (with the same mysterious method used in the victims of Kira) is inside of the police, more specifically, inside of the operation to get Kira, and he will quite easily see that hardly anyone there could get so meticulous plans and kills through. If not through a strong af evidence such as L's death or Ray Penber, other camera footages should be supporting evidence, police files also indicate suspicious behaviour, and he should be able to recover Watari's files too
L's death has no footage, and Penber's death does not immediately lead to Light's exposure. L knew Light was connected to Penber, and he still died.

You are also ignoring how L already had that same info and those resources. Those mean nothing


Well, by him accessing the police files stealthily Light won't have much to do as answer lol
And? L, Near, and Mello all had access to police files, and guess what happened to L and Mello? Near only won because the fake rule got leaked by a Shinigami to Mello.

He also has other strong af ways to claim him as Kira, each one of them weakening the line of thought of "this is impossible because of the rule" by planting strong seeds of doubt making "the rule that defends him is possibly fake" a possibility in people's minds
And what are those ways exactly? Also in canon, Light being Kira is impossible precisely because of the fake rule. Mello had to expose it and leak the info to Near, still died, and Near barely won.


Riddler was activelly attempting to discover Batman's identity with several forum goons who activelly help him during all parts of their insane operation, and it is not clear at all during the movie if Riddler knew his identity by the end or not, being equally as plausible that he could have or didn't (and was venting to Batman about Bruce being the last survivor of an accident)
And is movie Ridder remotely as smart as Light in terms of detective work? Someone who deduced the identity of the 3rd Kira before L did, a feat that impressed L and and made him consider Light as a worthy succeessor?


Riddler and his goons had access to way more than newspapers and police files, and had the advantage over Light of actually knowing Gotham and being there, meaning if any possible information existed, they would have known
Bro, Light litterally has connections to ALL law enforecment, including the FBI and CIA. And he has a entire global cult leaking info for him. Why would Light even need to go to Gotham when he can just ask the police or his cult to leak the info for him? Or idk, just watch the news or get the newspapers internationally.


So even though Light is a better detective than Riddler (like, of course he outsmarts the guy with ease), he shouldn't have access to anything more than what they had, leaving "would Light discover Batman's identity prior to him discovering he's full of s*?" with a very dubious answer if not simply "no".
Light would have more access to info than Riddler will. He took L's place, meaning all his interpol connections, and has a global cult.
 
Near only won because the fake rule got leaked by a Shinigami to Mello.
Should we give him that limited prior knowledge? Or not even that would make it believable for Batman to have a chance iyo?

And is movie Ridder remotely as smart as Light in terms of detective work?
Light would have more access to info than Riddler will.
[...]and has a global cult.
Well, there is a big gap between them but he actively spent more than 10 years with his cult trying to uncover that, and his search included using police files and similars, as there was people with military history inside the operation.
 
Well, there is a big gap between them but he actively spent more than 10 years with his cult trying to uncover that, and his search included using police files and similars, as there was people with military history inside the operation.
Again, Light simply needs to build a profile of Batman to know its Bruce.


The fact Bruce is rich and has a solid motivation to fight crime already puts him on Light's radar.
 
All Batman needs to do is find out that L died and the circumstances of his investigation to essentially confirm that Light is Kira, since it seems REALLY suspicious that L just happened to die right before he get to test the rules that acquitted Light. I didn't finish Death Note, so I'm operating with second-hand information.
 
All Batman needs to do is find out that L died and the circumstances of his investigation to essentially confirm that Light is Kira, since it seems REALLY suspicious that L just happened to die right before he get to test the rules that acquitted Light. I didn't finish Death Note, so I'm operating with second-hand information.
Finding out L died is difficult when that info is actively getting gatekept , and neither will Bruce know about L trying to test the 13-day rule (especially when ALL data was erased by Watari). Does this version of Batman have the hacking skills to recover deleted info?)
 
Does this version of Batman have the hacking skills to recover deleted info?
I'm watching the movie and i saw that his profile doesn't mention his supercomputer and the fact he's got a mobile version of it. His computer should have that capability if not himself who masterized its use
 
I'm watching the movie and i saw that his profile doesn't mention his supercomputer and the fact he's got a mobile version of it. His computer should have that capability if not himself who masterized its use
Not sure if thats enough. Does the computer have hacking feats?
 
Finding out L died is difficult when that info is actively getting gatekept
He can access whatever place needed with no trouble with how good his stealth is

Again, Light simply needs to build a profile of Batman to know its Bruce.
If this were to be so simple, Bruce would be already dead because, again, people with access to classified data, military background, etc, were activelly trying to find out who Batman is and doing an operation to kill corrupt high-up individuals from Gotham and those guys found everything there was to be found in classified data, made a killing spree of all other corrupt targets available and succeeded with their plan to flood the city
 
He can access whatever place needed with no trouble with how good his stealth is
This means nothing when its not like he can find who the task force members are


If this were to be so simple, Bruce would be already dead because, again, people with access to classified data, military background, etc, were activelly trying to find out who Batman is and doing an operation to kill corrupt high-up individuals from Gotham and those guys found everything there was to be found in classified data, made a killing spree of all other corrupt targets available and succeeded with their plan to flood the city
All that means is they are not looking for Bruce the way Light would. Light won't need classified data when simply knowing public info about Bruce is enough (his wealth and backstory). Light would be like L, who built a profile of Kira and found him. Let's also not ignore Light being comparable to L, who was able to successfully locate Kira's exact location just by looking at the patterns of the killings.
 
This means nothing when its not like he can find who the task force members are
This is classified information but there is a way to find it, specially because Batman can also make a profile from the initial killing region and by the fact it was made public by L that Lind L. Taylor's trap was only transmitted in the Kanto region, so putting Light as a prime suspect is not hard, so tailing him can give him that type of info (which is Batsy's main specialty), by knowing which building should he infiltrate later

All that means is they are not looking for Bruce the way Light would.
Well, Light can't know Batman is a billionaire because his approach is soturnal and physical, with less use of gadgets than other iterations as his fighting is more CQC-oriented, with the only actual indication that he may be rich is because of having a motorcycle (lol), since stuff that would indicate his huge wealth (like the fact his suit is bulletproof, his hookshot and similars) are definetely something Light can't find out at all on data, classified or not.
 
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