Serpico Vs Griffith (Berserk)

[ElJoaki5]

Serpico Vs Griffith
Now that they're both reworked let’s do this. This shouldn’t be a stomp for sure this time.

Rules
Human Griffith and Base Serpico are used
Speed equalized
SBA

Overview
Griffith scales to 8.574 MJ physically and far higher with piercing damage.
Serpico downscales from 2.45 MJ physically and has 119.07 Tons of TNT piercing AP.
Griffith scales to 10.41 Tons of force and Serpico scales to 126 kg in lifting strength.

Advantages
Serpico:

• Massively higher piercing AP
• Higher combat skill

Griffith:

• Higher physicals and far higher LS
• Protection Hax

Votes
Serpico: @ElJoaki5 @Nonynho @Armorchompy @Mommyleona @Legion350 @Doggo @Apotheosis69
Griffith:
Incon: @LegendariumOfLies

 

[Nonynho]

last time we saw someone who outskills Griffith, things went to s* waaaaaaaaaaay too fast lmao

Serpico should know not to fall for Griffith's SI because he knows who he is
And as he matches Guts pretty well, something Human Griffith could not, i can't see the latter having any means to get a W today thankfully

 

[ElJoaki5]

While Griffith may have way higher LS i think him actually managing to make use of it here is very unlikely, Serpico is massively more skillful and should perfectly be able to keep his distance (specially since his piercing scales that much higher) and avoid being caught by Griffith via agility.

The only way I see Griffith winning would be Serpico going for a finishing blow that would genuinely kill Griffith and then missing due to causality, which may leave an opening for Griffith. But id say Serpico can still get outta that without dying and adjust his strategy from then on. Serpico should be able to slowly grind Griffith down if it comes down to it.

 

[Armorchompy]

What's the logic for Serpico being that much more skilled, just matching Guts at a later point in his life?

Either ways an 8-A sword is a pretty damn strong tool in a fight. Feels like he could just smash Griffith's weapon and leave him basically defenseless.

 

[ElJoaki5]

What's the logic for Serpico being that much more skilled, just matching Guts at a later point in his life?

Yes and better feats which are listed in his page.

Either ways an 8-A sword is a pretty damn strong tool in a fight. Feels like he could just smash Griffith's weapon and leave him basically defenseless.

Well theoretically maybe? But i wouldnt say so, he hasnt actually ever smashed any weapons apart and the 8-A comes from piercing through skin with the pointy part of the rapier rather than clashing with that much potency.
Please dont be a stomp

 

[Armorchompy]

Yes and better feats which are listed in his page.

I might not say massively more skilled, Serpico is smart enough to get a big situational advantage whenever he fights Guts and Griffith himself is no slouch, but I see where you're coming from.

Well theoretically maybe? But i wouldnt say so, he hasnt actually ever smashed any weapons apart and the 8-A comes from piercing through skin with the pointy part of the rapier rather than clashing with that much potency.

True enough, but he's got ranged air slashes. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a stomp but the more magic aspects of his equipment do seem like something Griffith has no real answers to, I brought up breaking weaponry because it's a good way to work around Griffith's blessing if Serpico finds himself unable to kill him.

 

[ElJoaki5]

True enough, but he's got ranged air slashes. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a stomp but the more magic aspects of his equipment do seem like something Griffith has no real answers to, I brought up breaking weaponry because it's a good way to work around Griffith's blessing if Serpico finds himself unable to kill him.

Uhh this is base serpico

 

[Nonynho]

While Griffith may have way higher LS i think him actually managing to make use of it here is very unlikely, Serpico is massively more skillful and should perfectly be able to keep his distance (specially since his piercing scales that much higher) and avoid being caught by Griffith via agility.

The only way I see Griffith winning would be Serpico going for a finishing blow that would genuinely kill Griffith and then missing due to causality, which may leave an opening for Griffith. But id say Serpico can still get outta that without dying and adjust his strategy from then on. Serpico should be able to slowly grind Griffith down if it comes down to it.

Causality ain't saving Griffith from Incap, even if Serpico can't deal fatal moves, still an L here

I even think Serpico might notice that there's something wrong because his usual fatal moves won't work

 

[Armorchompy]

Uhh this is base serpico

oh lol, i didn't realize we rated him as 8-A with normal weaponry, bit bizarre. fair enough, this is closer then.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Causality ain't saving Griffith from Incap, even if Serpico can't deal fatal moves, still an L here

I even think Serpico might notice that there's something wrong because his usual fatal moves won't work

Yeah im just saying that Serpico will use a fatal stab at some point before he knows about the protection which could leave an opening. From then on Serpico has an easy time.

 

[Armorchompy]

To be fair IIRC the protection isn't something you can really notice easily, it'll just look like he can't land a good lethal hit rather than it being deflected in an overt way. I think it's still fairly likely he ends up landing an incap naturally before Griffith gets a killshot

 

[Mommyleona]

Serpico FRA

 

[ElJoaki5]

Buump

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

What are the args for both characters?

 

[ElJoaki5]

What are the args for both characters?

While Griffith may have way higher LS i think him actually managing to make use of it here is very unlikely, Serpico is massively more skillful and should perfectly be able to keep his distance (specially since his piercing scales that much higher) and avoid being caught by Griffith via agility.

The only way I see Griffith winning would be Serpico going for a finishing blow that would genuinely kill Griffith and then missing due to causality, which may leave an opening for Griffith. But id say Serpico can still get outta that without dying and adjust his strategy from then on. Serpico should be able to slowly grind Griffith down if it comes down to it.

And Serpico can just incapacitate Griffith even if he has protection.

Basically, Serpico has skill slop and Griffith has hax slop, they can both one tap each other.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

And Serpico can just incapacitate Griffith even if he has protection.

Basically, Serpico has skill slop and Griffith has hax slop, they can both one tap each other.

Serpico being Class 5 LS even with equipment just seems wrong, but that is another argument. Anyway, Serpico does one shot hard, but Griffith is protected by Casuality and Supernatural Luck. Unironically, Incon might be the most logical

 

[ElJoaki5]

Bump

 

[ElJoaki5]

Bump

 

[Legion350]

Serpico takes this. He’s a hard counter for Griffith’s quick fighting style, since he’s faster and more skilled. There’s an enormous gap in their level of skill. Serpico is so skilled that he managed to press Black Swordsman Guts, and forced him to take him seriously. Meanwhile, Griffith got his ass handed to him by a much weaker Guts at the End of Golden Age.

Spoiler: Side Note about Griffith's Tier

Griffith loses this pretty handily. Side note, but his page should probably specify that he’s only equal to Early Golden Age Guts. The scans currently on his page are a little misleading. This just shows he’s dangerous and shouldn’t be underestimated, which is proven a few pages later when Griffith being a sore loser (& a bum) considers using killing blows during a duel where Guts is not trying to kill him, because he doesn’t want him to leave.

TLDR: Golden Age Guts>>> Griffith
And Serpico held his own for much longer against a superior version of Guts. Serpico outskills him for the victory, and the Blessing from the IoE only prevents his death not his suffering.

 

[Doggo]

Serpico FRA

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Serpico takes this. He’s a hard counter for Griffith’s quick fighting style, since he’s faster and more skilled. There’s an enormous gap in their level of skill. Serpico is so skilled that he managed to press Black Swordsman Guts, and forced him to take him seriously. Meanwhile, Griffith got his ass handed to him by a much weaker Guts at the End of Golden Age.

Spoiler: Side Note about Griffith's Tier

Griffith loses this pretty handily. Side note, but his page should probably specify that he’s only equal to Early Golden Age Guts. The scans currently on his page are a little misleading. This just shows he’s dangerous and shouldn’t be underestimated, which is proven a few pages later when Griffith being a sore loser (& a bum) considers using killing blows during a duel where Guts is not trying to kill him, because he doesn’t want him to leave.

TLDR: Golden Age Guts>>> Griffith
And Serpico held his own for much longer against a superior version of Guts. Serpico outskills him for the victory, and the Blessing from the IoE only prevents his death not his suffering.

This is taking some much out of context.

First lets target this

Griffith loses this pretty handily. Side note, but his page should probably specify that he’s only equal to Early Golden Age Guts. The scans currently on his page are a little misleading. This just shows he’s dangerous and shouldn’t be underestimated,

The wiki doesn't just scale Guts to Griffith based on this one statement:

• Judeau - who has known Griffith longer than Guts and has intimate knowledge of both - outright states that both their strengths are equally matched. Judeau has served with Guts and Griffith and has intimate knowledge of both their combat capabilities
• Guts confirms this by saying "there is no way I can drop my guard" - implying AP wise Griffith can hurt him
• Casca also confirms this by saying Griffith can stop him. Does she say in the next page this is because she doesn't want Guts to go - yes, but the fact that she believes that is even possible mean she views them on equal terms.
• Finally, Griffith himself showing he can't hold back against Guts, meaning he view Guts as a threat

So all three of the main cast and Judeau outright say Griffith and Guts are equal, with both combatants are acknowledging as such. The only hint that we get that Guts > Griffith is this panel where he says, "I'm not sure that I can parry his attack anymore", which isn't definitive and doesn't hold up compared to the other evidence.

which is proven a few pages later when Griffith being a sore loser (& a bum) considers using killing blows during a duel where Guts is not trying to kill him, because he doesn’t want him to leave.

You are ignoring why Griffith is considering using a killing blow and that is his state of mind.

• Judeau outright states Griffith is "lacking his usual composure which is why their "strengths are equal" in the first place (implying Griffith > Guts actaully)
• Griffith is shown acting erratically because he is crashing out that Guts dared to do go his own path, multiple times:
  • Example 1
  • Example 2
  • Example 3

In conclusion, Griffith is acting erratic and reckless while Guts is composed. Him going for the killing blow isn't showing he is less skilled or weaker, it just shows that he isn't thinking straight.

TLR - Griffith isn't a bum. He was just lost his composure cuz his ego got bruised. All the main characters, plus Judeau, confirm their strengths are equal. This post has been a way too long crash out

 

[Apotheosis69]

I will have to give it to Serpico yeah, Ez win.

In fact, the "Protection" from the Idea of Will actually is Supposed to make him suffer more and more. To urge him to make the choice of sacrificing his Band of the Hawk.
That's the overall meaning of Berserk, one's Axiom of choice and the consequences from it.