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Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3

Plus there might be a chance that the collab is after CBTSLBTS which would make cosmos power invalid for zooey so yeah L1C is safer
 

CHUN YEOWUN VS LUCILIUS GBF is UP
 
Possibly L1c not 1C since zooey 1C directly comes from cosmos herself and her scaling to Lucifer one way or another. Also misiah was specifically talking about destroying the skyrealm
I don't really thinks he mentions the Skyrealm directly, maybe implies it but that's why I had it as possibly not likely in the first few iterations (I personally still think possibly 1-C is valid but I won't really fight over it)
 
I don't really thinks he mentions the Skyrealm directly, maybe implies it but that's why I had it as possibly not likely in the first few iterations (I personally still think possibly 1-C is valid but I won't really fight over it)
Was mentioned directly about her destroying "the world" which implies the skyrealm and interacting with the astral realm is impossible even by other primals who are more powerful than her

And iirc zooey didn't manifest during MHA collab which would mean it's after cosmos death (CBTSLBTS) so her 1C scaling would be invalid. But if you still feel it wasn't talking about skyrealm and zooey did manifest then sure Misiah stays 1C
 
Sandalphon is pretty based in this story

Outmaneuvered Grevana
Defeated her hax with sheer strength
tanked her attacks point blank
At six wings

Only going 12 wings just to save Fugel from being attacked further

while still tanking attacks
 
Whereas we have captain, a disappointment throughout this arc or did devs forget they are the singularity and stronger than anything even without boundary
 
Sandalphon is pretty based in this story

Outmaneuvered Grevana
Defeated her hax with sheer strength
tanked her attacks point blank
At six wings

Only going 12 wings just to save Fugel from being attacked further

while still tanking attacks
All those while never even taking her seriously even with six wings since he wanted information rather than actually engaging her in battle
 
Kokabiel is one of the archangels wardens
also the same one who created Cerberus as well iirc
and she got locked up for performing experiments in pandemonium without permission

iirc she was supposed to be locked by Cerberus idk why she ended up in Crimson horizon....
wait pandemonium got blown to bits so she is probably the few who didn't become precipien entity
 
Or they can just change form like going into taboo and going into normal demonic possessed like Geneva or like you said
Welp next story update is in July
 
iirc the moment they reach stage 3
the body is fully transformed into the Demon's true form and their body fully taken over

since Kokabiel looks far different from Geneva hence Sandalphon is really confused

my theory on Taboo and Odious is that
instead of the Demon fully taking over. They instead merged in unison where in the Demon becomes a contradiction to the original consciousness.

Demons merged with the concepts, while Taboo nature is befouling certain concepts. As shown in the description, the term being REDACTED.

there is also that annoying fact demons can endlessly revive unless purified completely

so the Odious attacking the demon in Winseria probably did that so he didn't get purified and instead just die normally
 
Whereas we have captain, a disappointment throughout this arc or did devs forget they are the singularity and stronger than anything even without boundary
It's the usual

Got to have other characters do somethings too.

Just wish they didn't have to nerf Danchou for that.
 
It's the usual

Got to have other characters do somethings too.

Just wish they didn't have to nerf Danchou for that.
Then the moment things starts taking a turn he goes blue lmao

If they actually went with the lore, seox wouldn't have struggled against those demons even in base and Captain wouldn't have to struggle against jherion. Tho i do believe this is so that the fight wouldn't feel so powercreeped so why it does make sense it's actually kinda vexing
 
iirc seox basically soloed the demon when he didn't have to babysit the other characters from it, and the demon decided to just retreat from him and attack the primal beast

Sandalphon pulled up

Narmaya had an offscreen 1v1, and nothing happened on it much


though we do know Demon also amp the targets they possessed but not to what degree
 
iirc the moment they reach stage 3
the body is fully transformed into the Demon's true form and their body fully taken over

since Kokabiel looks far different from Geneva hence Sandalphon is really confused

my theory on Taboo and Odious is that
instead of the Demon fully taking over. They instead merged in unison where in the Demon becomes a contradiction to the original consciousness.

Demons merged with the concepts, while Taboo nature is befouling certain concepts. As shown in the description, the term being REDACTED.

there is also that annoying fact demons can endlessly revive unless purified completely

so the Odious attacking the demon in Winseria probably did that so he didn't get purified and instead just die normally
Yeah

But unlike the form we have seen from a stage 3 demon, it's far different from how mylkis explained and what was shown how a stage 3 looks like also demon are different from odious.

Unlike demons,.odiant ( odious) is the stage where the demons manifest like what we actually think it's stage 3. Was actually shown during chapter 3 iirc.
Gevana is still demonic possessed and not an odiant
 
iirc seox basically soloed the demon when he didn't have to babysit the other characters from it, and the demon decided to just retreat from him and attack the primal beast

Sandalphon pulled up

Narmaya had an offscreen 1v1, and nothing happened on it much


though we do know Demon also amp the targets they possessed but not to what degree
Seox actually couldn't hold them back tho he did kill of 4 ( he could have just used his clones)

Probably somewhere around base narmaya or slightly lower if you take it as maminas fighting narmaya to a standstill why she couldn't stop noct when she was possessed
She also did overpower tiamat iirc
 
I think it is not base narmaya with all the events referenced
specially sumo

Maminas is considered one of the strongest assassins in Earthrealm, and these people deal with demons in stage 3, which is somehow strong enough to overwhelm even Archangels.

Maminas is actually that strong that she speedblitzes Darydara, which is one of Caesar's most trusted covert ops

Maminas is simply that woman who just delays and enjoys fighting strong people like Zanba
 
Nah, when I meant base I mean not using any big moves

Also we did get a confirmation from miamint that her mother wasn't actually going all out and except for exchanging strikes they didn't do anything
 
@TheGreatJedi13 do you need pages unlocked soon for this thread?
I can unlocked the pages or you can make a request here especially if you need more time as tier 1 and 0 tends to be locked soon or within days after being unlocked to limit vandalism.
 
@TheGreatJedi13 do you need pages unlocked soon for this thread?
I can unlocked the pages or you can make a request here especially if you need more time as tier 1 and 0 tends to be locked soon or within days after being unlocked to limit vandalism.
Hello, thanks for the help. I just didn't have time to do it yet, or still fiddling with it in the sandbox. I do ask Butler in case I need to apply the edits, so it doesn't have to stay open for long. irl just been busy for weeks
 
Iirc wasn't it specifically stated the only time they can ascend is when astralia and bahamut becomes 1 which is either bahamut devouring astralia or the reverse demurige was mentioned to only being able to recreate the world not ascend as the omnipotent since there's no destruction part.
If simply reaching the throne could make you the omnipotent, baha or astralia wouldn't need to wait and the clone could just ascend since he was the one sitting on the throne previously.
Also sacred perch the throne ≠ seventh heaven araboth
One is the throne which exist beyond the boundary, araboth is just the boundary

Unless I missed smth or forgor
 
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Iirc wasn't it specifically stated the only time they can ascend is when astralia and bahamut becomes 1 which is either bahamut devouring astralia or the reverse demurige was mentioned to only being able to recreate the world not ascend as the omnipotent since there's no destruction part

Unless I missed smth or forgor
He still would, thanks to what the Throne could do
And he planned to basically merge everything into one, including himself
So he would be like the Omnipotent still since the Omnipotent is basically the wholeness of everything but also not
 
He still would, thanks to what the Throne could do
And he planned to basically merge everything into one, including himself
So he would be like the Omnipotent still since the Omnipotent is basically the wholeness of everything but also not
The throne just oversees all of creation not the necessary part to becoming the omnipotent.
Astralia could still recreate the world if she got the the throne, which was before she got eaten by demurige.
Wholeness doesn't change anything though since even God's are still wholeness.

And the only time we actually saw the clone or the physical main form of the omnipotent coming back into estalucia was when rei used the power of star and sky to recreate the world. Point is, the throne isn't the main reason for becoming the omnipotent or the twins would have long ascended when the clone got brought down to reality. You need the whoness of the omnipotent which is creation and destruction
 
If simply reaching the throne could make you the omnipotent, baha or astralia wouldn't need to wait and the clone could just ascend since he was the one sitting on the throne previously.
Also sacred perch the throne ≠ seventh heaven araboth
Idk if you missed this
 
Point is, the throne isn't the main reason for becoming the omnipotent or the twins would have long ascended when the clone got brought down to reality. You need the whoness of the omnipotent which is creation and destruction
They can't because Rel still has authority. to prevent them from entering Estalucia themselves, they needed to hitchhike with Captain completing the Skymap to even get their vessels, which they use to reach the realm.
And the only time we actually saw the clone or the physical main form of the omnipotent coming back into estalucia was when rei used the power of star and sky to recreate the world.
The new Clone was something Rel wouldn't expect to happen. The agreement is that they would surrender their powers as a sacrifice to bring back their fallen ally, including those that perished in the otherworld, and many other things + recreate the world. While Rel sacrificed herself to make sure they retain their memories.

Demiurge had to weaken Rel to make it even possible for Astralia to get the throne with the least resistance once she had dealt with the Sky-God

Furthermore, when reaching the Throne, they can recreate the world and basically still have enough power to use it, and the Demiurge's goal is to recreate everything to be one with him, and all become one. which would include the 2 vessels, which are Vyrn and Lyria, which will ultimately result in the Omnipotent
 
They can't because Rel still has authority. to prevent them from entering Estalucia themselves, they needed to hitchhike with Captain completing the Skymap to even get their vessels, which they use to reach the realm.
Only for astralia, bahamut could still manifest in estalucia. Infact partita was going to call him through the shrine before he manifested without being called.
Astralia needed lyria to be in estalucia since her manifestation is fully tied with her
Furthermore, when reaching the Throne, they can recreate the world and basically still have enough power to use it, and the Demiurge's goal is to recreate everything to be one with him, and all become one. which would include the 2 vessels, which are Vyrn and Lyria, which will ultimately result in the Omnipotent
Reason why I still thinks it just wouldn't work that way.
Bahamut was the first to appear in estalucia long before rei manifested, he could have just went to the throne since not even rei stop him at this point thus becoming the omnipotent.
He had to wait for rei to manifest and consume her to ascend.
Also, bahamut and astralia has always being inside lyria and they never ascended even though they could one way or another consume each other inside.

It's more more likely, they need to consume each other whole not just through powers and my guess is that the clone returned again not the main form of the omnipotent.
But I guess that kinda works for now since it could probably be because of plot reasons
 
Only for astralia, bahamut could still manifest in estalucia. Infact partita was going to call him through the shrine before he manifested without being called.
Astralia needed lyria to be in estalucia since her manifestation is fully tied with her
All Shrine Priestesses are conduits of Bahamut. That's why Partita was specifically brought by Repti to hitchhike with him with Captain
They are all granted power by Bahamut. And Partita has no way to resist this.
It's more more likely, they need to consume each other whole not just through powers and my guess is that the clone returned again not the main form of the omnipotent.
But I guess that kinda works for now since it could probably be because of plot reasons
Yes, it is just the Clone afaik. But that is more than enough, since the Physical forms are just a manifestation that can channel their power
Also, bahamut and astralia has always being inside lyria and they never ascended even though they could one way or another consume each other inside.
Proto-bahamut actively resists Sky-God. Only Vyrn really could do so, but in the Bahamut FLB. Proto-bahamut from Lyria saves Vyrn from Sky-God.

Astralia is inside Lyria, but she has to convince Lyria to grant control of her body, and she also needs Lyria to awaken the Blue Will Factor. (Astralia on her own can't do this)

Not to mention, both God wants to ascend the Throne with a plan in mind on how they will do it. and how they will lead it afterwards as Omnipotent
For Astralia, she specifically needed the Conduit who has the Blue Will factor so she won't have issues dealing with the Blue Will's interference.
For Sky-God, he didn't really need much. He just needs to reach Estalucia while also finding a way to deal with Rel

Since Rel basically can prevent them from accessing anyplace in Estalucia and was even Hostile when she sensed Sky-God in Partita, and it was only possible later when Rel's control in Estalucia was compromised by Demiurge, and is about to collapse. Astralia used this as a reason to convince Lyria that if she defeated Rel permanently, she could undo the Laws of the cycle of Life and Death to bring the crew back
 
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