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[KirbyFan03]

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[KirbyFan03]

Universe
Extradimensional god realms
Orrery
Multiverse
Silent realms/Wonder World
Bleed
Snowflake
Speedforce wall
SoG (matter/info/mind/thoughts fusion)
Limbo
Monitor Sphere
Hypertime
5D
6D
Source Wall

 

[Waka1979]

Don't usually comment here anymore but just jumping in to say Robotman still needs the 2-A upgrade applied to his profile

 

[Ozcantabak]

Don't usually comment here anymore but just jumping in to say Robotman still needs the 2-A upgrade applied to his profile

Missed that cause DC verse page doesn't have his profile listed, anyways i've edited the profile.

 

[Waka1979]

Also while I'm here another thing I want to bring up, Ronnie+Jason firestorm should probably have his 3-A rating via big bang removed and replaced with just "higher". Like I get why it's listed as 3-A but it doesn't really make sense for what is presented narratively as his most powerful ability to be significantly weaker than him just punching.

 

[Antvasima]

Also while I'm here another thing I want to bring up, Ronnie+Jason firestorm should probably have his 3-A rating via big bang removed and replaced with just "higher". Like I get why it's listed as 3-A but it doesn't really make sense for what is presented narratively as his most powerful ability to be significantly weaker than him just punching.

Yes, although I think that most of the characters we mass-upgraded to 2-A have massive contradictions to such a high rating throughout their histories, including the one that you mentioned.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Yes, although I think that most of the characters we mass-upgraded to 2-A have massive contradictions to such a high rating throughout their histories, including the one that you mentioned.

Ant, can you open Kyle Rayner's page and let me change the low 2C to at least 2C or 2A?

Why are we putting universeS in plural feat as low 2C


We have like 4 staffs or something for DC, how you guys don't know scaling to many universes isn't low 2C

Even yogiri gets upgrades and changes fast despite the lack of supporters

Also, what is the actual correct tier for Dr fate? It isn't low 1C since that is outdated

 

[Waka1979]

Yes, although I think that most of the characters we mass-upgraded to 2-A have massive contradictions to such a high rating throughout their histories, including the one that you mentioned.

I don't have a problem with 2-A personally but Firestorm having a random 3-A ability just doesn't make since from a logical perspective or in the context of this wiki. It's not we can have him fight 3-A characters and against other 2-A characters it would literally have no effect, either list it as higher to an unknown degree or remove it entirely(after further thinking I think I lean towards the later, I mean it's not even an ability he really uses, more a side effect of his power becoming unstable so worst case scenario it should be added to the weakness section for that specific version of firestorm)

 

[Antvasima]

Can you link to the pages that you need unlocked here please?

 

[Wirtzwest]

This is very useful. Thanks for sharing! It would seem, then, that the Bleed is inside the snowflake and not the other way around as I thought. The Bleed could encompasses its Multiverse while remaining within its structure. Regarding the fifth-dimensional stuffs, numerous elements attest to the existence of more than five dimensions, and since the Bleed contains them all, it would make sense for it to be greater than 5D. I still consider the snowflake to represent the true extent of the material reality while realms such as the Sphere of the Gods is outside it entirely.

You have the right to disagree, and I respect that. It is true that the word "dimension" is used very loosely, and it can sometimes be difficult to determine whether it refers to higher or parallel dimensions. Regardless, thanks for your help.

A confusing aspect of DC is how we shall deal with material reality considering it may be 1A+(animal man and dematteis examples) or low 1A most of current continuity or even lower. But the sphere of gods especially Morrisons(the map) should be outerversal as every God there is a monadic entity.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Universe
Extradimensional god realms
Orrery
Multiverse
Silent realms/Wonder World
Bleed
Snowflake
Speedforce wall
SoG (matter/info/mind/thoughts fusion)
Limbo
Monitor Sphere
Hypertime
5D
6D
Source Wall

Missing some places kaleidoscope and the mesh from doom patrol, sturges house of mystery, gemworld from the faerie, city of stars as well. Composite DC will take a while to solve.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Can someone explain to me why Zatanna is 5A even though her profile says she defeated 2As?

 

[KirbyFan03]

Can someone explain to me why Zatanna is 5A even though her profile says she defeated 2As?

Lots of outdated stuff

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

If this helps, here are the post-crisis profiles that need to be updated to 2A according to the already accepted scale:

Cheetah
Giganta
Constantine
King Shark
Zatanna

 

[Antvasima]

Can you write their full exactly worded page titles please, so I can unlock them much more easily?

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Can you write their full exactly worded page titles please, so I can unlock them much more easily?

I don't know how to edit profiles, so it's best to let someone else handle it, but here it is:

Cheetah (Barbara Minerva) (Post-Crisis)
Giganta (Post-Crisis)
John Constantine (Classic)
King Shark (Post-Crisis)
Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I have unlocked them now.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Why we list "tearing universe" for post flashpoint zatanna solar system level?

 

[Samael_010]

Batman and whoever scalled to him should straight up get hypersonic+, Just checked PC Batman profile, apparently he scalled to Cassandra, but when I checked the blog and the scan, It's just bad wording on Batman's profile because it said in the blog that she implied to be a child when she did it (which she is), not implied to have done it when she was a child. Even Cassandra's profile straight up put her at hypersonic+ and Batgod speed-stomped her, so yeah gg open flashpoint and Post-Crisis profiles

 

[GG55HH]

Then if all matter ends at Limbo

Morrison explicitly made it so that beyond the speedforce wall the SoG is pure info

Meaning matter is different in SoG

Which is consistent with the scan I said about mind, matter, thought and manifestation being the same thing in the CU which while "above" is still in the same realm

Scan?

 

[GG55HH]

Then if all matter ends at Limbo

Morrison explicitly made it so that beyond the speedforce wall the SoG is pure info

Meaning matter is different in SoG

Which is consistent with the scan I said about mind, matter, thought and manifestation being the same thing in the CU which while "above" is still in the same realm

Physics exists in the SOG that's how Superman kills darkseid

Here you go!

This is a dematteis book isn't it

All levels of reality is also mentioned in Sandman universe

I will add few more

1 Infinite worlds beyond the real
2 world within world . maybe a world within infinite number of larger worlds
3 Antagon ( IDK )

1. What comic book is this
2. It's been nearly a year since I last read animal man but doesn't meme live inside the worlds located in the Red?
3. This is a nothing burger without context tbh, take it at the highest interp and it still only refers to infinite/endless worlds that coexists with the main universe

 

[Elizio33]

Scan?

Beyond this superluminal barrier, matter converts into pure information.

 

[Wirtzwest]

This is a dematteis book isn't it

Grant Morrison JLA run.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Beyond this superluminal barrier, matter converts into pure information.

Some interesting information

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Physics exists in the SOG that's how Superman kills darkseid

He defeats him through a Verse-mechanic tho. Grant Morrison himself explained that the New Gods exist in a higher platonic world beyond physical reality, yet they are still expressed as vibration. DC’s cosmology draws from the concept of Musica universalis aka the harmony of the spheres where existence itself is structured like music, ergo Barbatos can use “Anti-music” to disrupt it

At the same time, mathematics can exist as a Platonic object: so maybe is not vibration, physics, or matter, but the idea of vibration, physics, and matter

 

[KirbyFan03]

Scan?

Here you go!

 

[KirbyFan03]

Physics exists in the SOG that's how Superman kills darkseid

This is a dematteis book isn't it

1. What comic book is this
2. It's been nearly a year since I last read animal man but doesn't meme live inside the worlds located in the Red?
3. This is a nothing burger without context tbh, take it at the highest interp and it still only refers to infinite/endless worlds that coexists with the main universe

Ah you did see it

Then ye. Also even by Morrisons standards the in comic contradicts the map

Beyond The Speed Force Wall all things are converted to pure information unless matter in DC extends beyond the physical

And as for physics existing in the Sphere

The Fourth Dimension doesn't operate off the multiverses physics and I'm pretty sure Darkseid entered the bleed when he was sung to death

 

[KirbyFan03]

He defeats him through a Verse-mechanic tho. Grant Morrison himself explained that the New Gods exist in a higher platonic world beyond physical reality, yet they are still expressed as vibration. DC’s cosmology draws from the concept of Musica universalis aka the harmony of the spheres where existence itself is structured like music, ergo Barbatos can use “Anti-music” to disrupt it

At the same time, mathematics can exist as a Platonic object: so maybe is not vibration, physics, or matter, but the idea of vibration, physics, and matter

Good answer nephew!

 

[KirbyFan03]

Missing some places kaleidoscope and the mesh from doom patrol, sturges house of mystery, gemworld from the faerie, city of stars as well. Composite DC will take a while to solve.

A rule of thumb for me is as long as it's 60% accurate it's good enough

 

[GG55HH]

He defeats him through a Verse-mechanic tho. Grant Morrison himself explained that the New Gods exist in a higher platonic world beyond physical reality, yet they are still expressed as vibration. DC’s cosmology draws from the concept of Musica universalis aka the harmony of the spheres where existence itself is structured like music, ergo Barbatos can use “Anti-music” to disrupt it

At the same time, mathematics can exist as a Platonic object: so maybe is not vibration, physics, or matter, but the idea of vibration, physics, and matter

The thing is it's pretty clear the
Vibrations implied pertain to string theory in final crisis, this misica universalis seems more inline with what ever Lord Of The Rings has with its cosmology. Also I'll check out the mathematics platonism thing on Wikipedia later


This discussion would flow much better if there was a discord server instead of talking here icl

Grant Morrison JLA run.

Oh wait the one with the spectre?

 

[GG55HH]

Ah you did see it

Then ye. Also even by Morrisons standards the in comic contradicts the map

Beyond The Speed Force Wall all things are converted to pure information unless matter in DC extends beyond the physical

And as for physics existing in the Sphere

The Fourth Dimension doesn't operate off the multiverses physics and I'm pretty sure Darkseid entered the bleed when he was sung to death

Hmm pure information is something to take note of but nothing really solidifying 1A ig

 

[Antvasima]

We need to discuss some scaling problems that were mentioned from the post linked below and onwards.

Wiki Vandalism Reports

Ask me what chat Tooru Logic Manipulation or Law Manipulation?

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@Emirp sumitpo

Are you willing to help out here please?

 

[Wirtzwest]

Oh wait the one with the spectre?

Yes that's morrisons run l believe.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Hmm pure information is something to take note of but nothing really solidifying 1A ig

In the context of morrison of how he intended to be it does. Look at this.

 

[Bimgus8010]

Guys, wtf

I've been tricked twice by ant, he opened the pages for editing for the 2A scaling

My edits were reverted twice and I've been given a warning

I can't complete my 2A upgrade

 

[GG55HH]

In the context of morrison of how he intended to be it does. Look at this.

I've been seeing this scan a lot, where does it come from? And why isn't the entire book ever accessible. One of my problems with Morrison's "platonic" statements is that it's never consistent in portrayal and even gets Retconned also does no one ever question or even bat an eye about why a platonic realm would even be created in the first place by the collective unconscious

 

[Bimgus8010]

I made a thread to actually try and finish the 2A upgrades without my edits being reverted twice by others

Updating More DC characters to 2A

I just wanna change the tiers for the outdated pages and get over with the 2A upgrade that I can't do cause certain staffs trick me and revert my edits I just wanna change the outdated scalings to 2A (you can look at the pages, king shark and the others have chainscale to supes and other...

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Let me know who else I forgor

Cuz even some 5A outdated pages should be 2A

 

[Antvasima]

Guys, wtf

I've been tricked twice by ant, he opened the pages for editing for the 2A scaling

My edits were reverted twice and I've been given a warning

I can't complete my 2A upgrade

I don't trick people, but I sometimes misunderstand what should be done. I am not sure what should be done here for example, but I can nullify your warning if you wish. Was it placed on your wiki message wall?

Also:

@Emirp sumitpo

We still need your input help here.

 

[Rgerdeena]

I don't trick people, but I sometimes misunderstand what should be done. I am not sure what should be done here for example, but I can nullify your warning if you wish. Was it placed on your wiki message wall?

Also:

@Emirp sumitpo

We still need your input help here.

I think what happened was bimgus made the changes but then a staff member thought he was vandalizing because he didn’t link the CRT so they undid the changes and gave him a warning

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I currently don't know if I should have allowed those revisions in the first place. I may have misunderstood the context.