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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Bimgus8010 said:
Vro, this is so confusing

Some of the pages for new 52 includes rebirth tiers/keys and some others don't😭🗿😭🗿
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Funnier problem is Darkseid’s pre-flashpoint profile having everything Rebirth related shafted in it, while his post-flashpoint profile is literally just Darkseid War and that’s it
 
Osemere said:
Funnier problem is Darkseid’s pre-flashpoint profile having everything Rebirth related shafted in it, while his post-flashpoint profile is literally just Darkseid War and that’s it
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If all that crap from post flashpoint is from Darkseid War then I gotta say.... DS really did put in work lol
 
Elizio33 said:
There's a few things I'm not entirely sure. Does the Material Realms really scale to the Implicate Order or it is the Totality of the DC Universe (Divine Continuum, Omniverse, and Hypertime) that should scale to the Implicate Order ??? Unless the Implicate Order is meant to extend to a higher hierarchy that ultimately reaches The Source ? I remember that this question has already been asked by many people in the past.

Also, as we discussed, the Bleed should be possibly Low 1-A for holding all levels of reality which is potentially infinite, and is transdimensional. It is not limited to the Orrery as it contains the true form of reality (snowflake) which contains 196,833 Multiverses. (Many thanks for our community for these finds!)

Should we still consider that the Orrery of Worlds possesses an inconsistent number of extra dimensions ranging from eleven, fourteen, nineteen to twenty-six ?

It is also appropriate to address the case of the realms located between the Material Realms and the Sphere of the Gods.

Do you still agree with the notion that the Vertigo Void ≠ the Overvoid and it's an aspect of it ?

I've done a lot of research lately, but I also need your opinion.
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Nineteen wasn't just universes?
 
KirbyFan03 said:
19 dimensional mobius curve. A mobius STRIP is an object you can look up on Wikipedia

But basically he used higher dimensional manip to break out of superman's grasp and teleport to whatever earth he calls home
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18 dimensional Superman, since they needed 19 dimensional to escape superman
 
I have written a new section for my blog called True Extent of Material Reality.

True Extent of Material Reality

What appears as a single Multiverse is, in truth, part of a far larger and more structured reality. Rather than an unbounded expanse, material existence forms a higher-dimensional system in which 196,833 Multiverses are arranged into a coherent pattern, often likened to a geometric “snowflake.” This model implies a broader “Multi-Multiverse” mentioned by Grant Morrison, where distinct Multiversal systems exist as self-contained “bubbles” of grouped universes, such as the local 52 of the Orrery, with evidence of others like the destroyed “Multiverse-2.” Within this framework, even the space between universes, such as the Bleed, is better understood as an oceanic void whose full extent may encompasses any single Multiversal system.
 
Elizio33 said:
I have written a new section for my blog called True Extent of Material Reality.

True Extent of Material Reality

What appears as a single Multiverse is, in truth, part of a far larger and more structured reality. Rather than an unbounded expanse, material existence forms a higher-dimensional system in which 196,833 Multiverses are arranged into a coherent pattern, often likened to a geometric “snowflake.” This model implies a broader “Multi-Multiverse” mentioned by Grant Morrison, where distinct Multiversal systems exist as self-contained “bubbles” of grouped universes, such as the local 52 of the Orrery, with evidence of others like the destroyed “Multiverse-2.” Within this framework, even the space between universes, such as the Bleed, is better understood as an oceanic void whose full extent may encompasses any single Multiversal system.
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That seems reasonable. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
That seems reasonable. 🙏
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Yes, the snowflake model from Outsiders has been described as a map of 196,833 Multiverses and as the true shape of reality, somewhat mirroring how Grant Morrison and Dan DiDio described the DC Multiverse (Post-Flashpoint) as a set of fifty-two universes suspended within a broader set of bubble Multiverses. This is alluded to again in a certain way at the end of Death Metal #7, when the Multiverse becomes its own Omniverse with an infinite web of Multiverses, meaning that the Hands have merely reintegrated the Local Multiverse/Orrery of Worlds into the larger reality that already existed. Time Trapper refers to this in DC: KO (2025) when he states that the Multiverse has been reabsorbed into broader reality.

Not to mention that stories such as Convergence and Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths shown that previous iterations of the Multiverse still exist out there.
 
Elizio33 said:
Yes, the snowflake model from Outsiders has been described as a map of 196,833 Multiverses and as the true shape of reality, somewhat mirroring how Grant Morrison and Dan DiDio described the DC Multiverse (Post-Flashpoint) as a set of fifty-two universes suspended within a broader set of bubble Multiverses. This is alluded to again in a certain way at the end of Death Metal #7, when the Multiverse becomes its own Omniverse with an infinite web of Multiverses, meaning that the Hands have merely reintegrated the Local Multiverse/Orrery of Worlds into the larger reality that already existed. Time Trapper refers to this in DC: KO (2025) when he states that the Multiverse has been reabsorbed into broader reality.

Not to mention that stories such as Convergence and Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths shown that previous iterations of the Multiverse still exist out there.
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Funnily enough this snowflake includes the pre crisis Multiverse and that The Bleed transcends it. Btw where do you think the bleed scales to?
 
So what if any revisions should be applied to our wiki based on this? Although we will likely need further staff approvals first. 🙏
 
So, the Cosmic Raptor is finally back, but this time in Marvel Comics.

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Hmm. An unofficial Marvel/DC Comics crossover. 🙏
 
The latest issue of Storm. 🙏
 
GG55HH said:
W

Expound on this please
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The Bleed is the oceanic void between realities that enfolds universes in a larger form of reality, sometimes called "snowflake" in some interpretations. This so-called snowflake is described as the true shape of reality, an unfolding fractal containing 196,833 Multiverses.

Grant Morrison and Dan DiDio take up this idea in a way with the conceptualization of a "Multi-Multiverse", the Local Multiverse being a bubble set of fifty-two universes suspended within a larger bubble set of Multiverses. Scott Snyder later brought back this idea by the conclusion of Death Metal, where the Multiverse was reintegrated into a broader reality with an infinite web of Multiverses.

It doesn't stop there, as the House of Heroes, a pan-dimensional structure located within the Bleed, is in a place where the physical world unfolds itself into a shape beyond mathematics. Folded into any spatial dimensions, which are potentially infinite according to many sources. The Bleed itself contains all levels and layers of reality. It was also described as the barrier between Multiverses.
 
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Oliver_de_jesus said:
Dont was this disprove to be dimensions in not "lenght, width, thick, etc" sense iirc? The rest is fine
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Hmm. I'm not so sure, but there is plenty of other, more solid evidence. I heard a long time ago that this referred to higher dimensions, but I need to do some research.
 
Elizio33 said:
The Bleed is the oceanic void between realities that enfolds universes in a larger form of reality, sometimes called "snowflake" in some interpretations. This so-called snowflake is described as the true shape of reality, an unfolding fractal containing 196,833 Multiverses.

Grant Morrison and Dan DiDio take up this idea in a way with the conceptualization of a "Multi-Multiverse", the Local Multiverse being a bubble set of fifty-two universes suspended within a larger bubble set of Multiverses. Scott Snyder later brought back this idea by the conclusion of Death Metal, where the Multiverse was reintegrated into a broader reality with an infinite web of Multiverses.

It doesn't stop there, as the House of Heroes, a pan-dimensional structure located within the Bleed, is in a place where the physical world unfolds itself into a shape beyond mathematics. Folded into any spatial dimensions, which are potentially infinite according to many sources. The Bleed itself contains all levels and layers of reality. It was also described as the barrier between Multiverses.
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I think this is just the statements taken at face value and isolated ngl for example we know physics exists up until Limbo since The Multiversity Map states outright that up until Limbo, which exists at the edges of the same plane as the Sphere of The Gods, matter itself still exists. In fact the Ultima Thule, a ship that rides on vibrational wavelengths within The Bleed only stopped when it reached Limbo, having only then “run out of multiverse”. Which means either the swamp thing statement about mathematics was retconed or it never about transcending all levels/or concept of maths in the first place.
 
Elizio33 said:
, which are potentially infinite according to many sources. The Bleed itself contains all levels and layers of reality. It was also described as the barrier between Multiverses.
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The Dr strange scan is talking about infinite universes, the dead man scan is talking about dimensions of unquantifiable size (,the only dimension we have as a basis is rama kushna's dimension which simply has different laws of nature and is compared to themiscera so not the best indicator for size), all levels of reality means nothing if we can't get past 26, "folded into any spatial dimension" is vague imo and I wouldn't use it as a main argument but you do you.


All in all I don't think this is very good for low 1A if even good at all.
 
GG55HH said:
I think this is just the statements taken at face value and isolated ngl for example we know physics exists up until Limbo since The Multiversity Map states outright that up until Limbo, which exists at the edges of the same plane as the Sphere of The Gods, matter itself still exists. In fact the Ultima Thule, a ship that rides on vibrational wavelengths within The Bleed only stopped when it reached Limbo, having only then “run out of multiverse”. Which means either the swamp thing statement about mathematics was retconed or it never about transcending all levels/or concept of maths in the first place.
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Iirc in The Sphere of The Gods matter, mind and manifestation become one
 
Elizio33 said:
The Bleed is the oceanic void between realities that enfolds universes in a larger form of reality, sometimes called "snowflake" in some interpretations. This so-called snowflake is described as the true shape of reality, an unfolding fractal containing 196,833 Multiverses.

Grant Morrison and Dan DiDio take up this idea in a way with the conceptualization of a "Multi-Multiverse", the Local Multiverse being a bubble set of fifty-two universes suspended within a larger bubble set of Multiverses. Scott Snyder later brought back this idea by the conclusion of Death Metal, where the Multiverse was reintegrated into a broader reality with an infinite web of Multiverses.

It doesn't stop there, as the House of Heroes, a pan-dimensional structure located within the Bleed, is in a place where the physical world unfolds itself into a shape beyond mathematics. Folded into any spatial dimensions, which are potentially infinite according to many sources. The Bleed itself contains all levels and layers of reality. It was also described as the barrier between Multiverses.
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All levels of reality is also mentioned in Sandman universe

I will add few more

1 Infinite worlds beyond the real
2 world within world . maybe a world within infinite number of larger worlds
3 Antagon ( IDK )
 
AndrewBennet said:
All levels of reality is also mentioned in Sandman universe

I will add few more

1 Infinite worlds beyond the real
2 world within world . maybe a world within infinite number of larger worlds
3 Antagon ( IDK )
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"Numberless spirit worlds" match up with descriptions of Apokolips and New Genesis being beyond numbers
 
KirbyFan03 said:
Basically time, matter and space are wonky and freaky at the higher realms as they're not scientific planes

Also from my understanding the snowflake > bleed
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Then if all matter ends at Limbo

Morrison explicitly made it so that beyond the speedforce wall the SoG is pure info

Meaning matter is different in SoG

Which is consistent with the scan I said about mind, matter, thought and manifestation being the same thing in the CU which while "above" is still in the same realm
 
AndrewBennet said:
Regarding bleed . If anyone is interested can read this from reddit blog. These are the every referrrences of bleed from DC comics
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This is very useful. Thanks for sharing! It would seem, then, that the Bleed is inside the snowflake and not the other way around as I thought. The Bleed could encompasses its Multiverse while remaining within its structure. Regarding the fifth-dimensional stuffs, numerous elements attest to the existence of more than five dimensions, and since the Bleed contains them all, it would make sense for it to be greater than 5D. I still consider the snowflake to represent the true extent of the material reality while realms such as the Sphere of the Gods is outside it entirely.
GG55HH said:
The Dr strange scan is talking about infinite universes, the dead man scan is talking about dimensions of unquantifiable size (,the only dimension we have as a basis is rama kushna's dimension which simply has different laws of nature and is compared to themiscera so not the best indicator for size), all levels of reality means nothing if we can't get past 26, "folded into any spatial dimension" is vague imo and I wouldn't use it as a main argument but you do you.


All in all I don't think this is very good for low 1A if even good at all.
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You have the right to disagree, and I respect that. It is true that the word "dimension" is used very loosely, and it can sometimes be difficult to determine whether it refers to higher or parallel dimensions. Regardless, thanks for your help.
 
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