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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

KirbyFan03 said:
I mean you cooooould go down that path sure. I just have some problems with it as DC has many white voids

But yeah imo

Orrery = High 1-C to possibly 1-B

Multiverses = High 1-B+

Dark Multiverse: High 1-B+ (is vastly bigger than the light Multiverses)

Bleedspace = Low 1-A

Silent Realms/Wonder World/Monitor Satellite/Speedforce Wall = Low 1-A

Sphere of The Gods = Baseline 1-A (while yes there are some anti feats there's also high 1-A args for it so I think Baseline outer is a decent middle ground when all things considered)

Dreaming= 1-A+

Limbo/Monitor Sphere = High 1-A (from what I understand of what you said a bit earlier, might be misremembering)

5th dimension = High 1-A (encompasses The Monitor Sphere too)

Hypertime= High 1-A (Limbo and Vanishing Point are a part of it, plus it's lower because World Forger created it)

Source wall = High 1-A

6th dimension = Higher into High 1-A

Hands = High 1-A

The True Form of The Endless = High 1-A

The Heavenly Powers (Lucifer, Michael, Elaine) = High 1-A

Light of Creation and The Great Darkness = High 1-A

Presence/Source/Overvoid = 0
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The Dark Multiverse would rank higher as it contains its own dark version of the Sphere of the Gods, and I'm no longer certain that the Fifth Dimension encompasses the Monitor Sphere and might be closer to the Sixth Dimension because it is the edges of things, where form and meaning surrender to the Overvoid, even Comic Book Limbo was described as the last outpost of existence.
 
Elizio33 said:
The Dark Multiverse would rank higher as it contains its own dark version of the Sphere of the Gods, and I'm no longer certain that the Fifth Dimension encompasses the Monitor Sphere and might be closer to the Sixth Dimension because it is the edges of things, where form and meaning surrender to the Overvoid, even Comic Book Limbo was described as the last outpost of existence.
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is Speed Force Wall really that down?
 
Elizio33 said:
The Dark Multiverse would rank higher as it contains its own dark version of the Sphere of the Gods, and I'm no longer certain that the Fifth Dimension encompasses the Monitor Sphere and might be closer to the Sixth Dimension because it is the edges of things, where form and meaning surrender to the Overvoid, even Comic Book Limbo was described as the last outpost of existence.
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As long as you have the basic framework down I'm certain it'd be easier to make the tweaks here and there
 
Guys, why doesn't superboy prime share his immeasurable speed with others?

Ion sodam yet fought him and "kept up with him" in his page on speed

Shouldn't he also be immeasurable speed?
 
Elizio33 said:
There's a few things I'm not entirely sure. Does the Material Realms really scale to the Implicate Order or it is the Totality of the DC Universe (Divine Continuum, Omniverse, and Hypertime) that should scale to the Implicate Order ??? Unless the Implicate Order is meant to extend to a higher hierarchy that ultimately reaches The Source ? I remember that this question has already been asked by many people in the past.

Also, as we discussed, the Bleed should be possibly Low 1-A for holding all levels of reality which is potentially infinite, and is transdimensional. It is not limited to the Orrery as it contains the true form of reality (snowflake) which contains 196,833 Multiverses. (Many thanks for our community for these finds!)

Should we still consider that the Orrery of Worlds possesses an inconsistent number of extra dimensions ranging from eleven, fourteen, nineteen to twenty-six ?

It is also appropriate to address the case of the realms located between the Material Realms and the Sphere of the Gods.

Do you still agree with the notion that the Vertigo Void ≠ the Overvoid and it's an aspect of it ?

I've done a lot of research lately, but I also need your opinion.
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Why would "all levels of reality" be 1A tho

Implicate is somewhat of a headache to figure out because after Morrison's animal man run I don't think it's ever been expanded on that much ever again afaik
 
GG55HH said:
Why would "all levels of reality" be 1A tho

Implicate is somewhat of a headache to figure out because after Morrison's animal man run I don't think it's ever been expanded on that much ever again afaik
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In addition Morrison was a bit of a nut
 
Morrison has had lots of legitimate spiritual experiences that make him perceive reality from a different perspective than most people, but he is not insane. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Morrison has had lots of legitimate spiritual experiences that make him perceive reality from a different perspective than most people, but he is not insane. 🙏
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Didn't meant to call him insane

"Nut" as in basically being like a hippie on zillionth century crack due to how psychedelic is stuff is most of the time
 
GG55HH said:
Why would "all levels of reality" be 1A tho

Implicate is somewhat of a headache to figure out because after Morrison's animal man run I don't think it's ever been expanded on that much ever again afaik
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That would be the explicate not the implicate, the implicate in all fairness can be tier 0 but we have too many of that so not good. The description he gave in that run was enough, though absolute martian manhunter is trying something with it.
 
Elizio33 said:
There's a few things I'm not entirely sure. Does the Material Realms really scale to the Implicate Order or it is the Totality of the DC Universe (Divine Continuum, Omniverse, and Hypertime) that should scale to the Implicate Order ??? Unless the Implicate Order is meant to extend to a higher hierarchy that ultimately reaches The Source ? I remember that this question has already been asked by many people in the past.

Also, as we discussed, the Bleed should be possibly Low 1-A for holding all levels of reality which is potentially infinite, and is transdimensional. It is not limited to the Orrery as it contains the true form of reality (snowflake) which contains 196,833 Multiverses. (Many thanks for our community for these finds!)

Should we still consider that the Orrery of Worlds possesses an inconsistent number of extra dimensions ranging from eleven, fourteen, nineteen to twenty-six ?

It is also appropriate to address the case of the realms located between the Material Realms and the Sphere of the Gods.

Do you still agree with the notion that the Vertigo Void ≠ the Overvoid and it's an aspect of it ?

I've done a lot of research lately, but I also need your opinion.
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The implicate should scale to the highest order of reality(basically parabrahman depends on how you interpret it) xearsay said we should wait on this. On regards to the explicate it accounts for material reality where the universes are unfolding from one another. Though morrison expanded on this and used the super implicate order accounting that this material universe is basically a dream of which then reality unfolds from one another. The implicate order should be put on hold.
 
Wirtzwest said:
That would be the explicate not the implicate, the implicate in all fairness can be tier 0 but we have too many of that so not good. The description he gave in that run was enough, though absolute martian manhunter is trying something with it.
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Speaking of

The Absolute Universe had 9 dimensions and things that explicitly transcend the physical barrier (including those 9 dimensions). Said location is Nihilo Bay where they were keeping AMM
 
Wirtzwest said:
The implicate should scale to the highest order of reality(basically parabrahman depends on how you interpret it) xearsay said we should wait on this. On regards to the explicate it accounts for material reality where the universes are unfolding from one another. Though morrison expanded on this and used the super implicate order accounting that this material universe is basically a dream of which then reality unfolds from one another. The implicate order should be put on hold.
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Wouldn't that make the implicate order on the level of The Sphere of the Gods?
 
Just a Random Butler said:
DC Comics - @Antvasima @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mordru_(Post-Zero_Hour)

Missing Lifting Strength section. I don't know this character, is it safe to assume that his lifting strength is also average? But he also has telekinesis, so I assume there's a separate lifting statistic that he should have.
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Hello.

What do our knowledgeable members think that we should do here? Does Mordru have a known lifting strength, or should it be "Unknown"? 🙏
 
Wirtzwest said:
The implicate should scale to the highest order of reality(basically parabrahman depends on how you interpret it) xearsay said we should wait on this. On regards to the explicate it accounts for material reality where the universes are unfolding from one another. Though morrison expanded on this and used the super implicate order accounting that this material universe is basically a dream of which then reality unfolds from one another. The implicate order should be put on hold.
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If Xearesay intends to deal with the Implicit Order, indeed, it would be best to wait, as it is difficult to tell whether DC is using the Implicate Order as a way of describing a deeper layer of reality from which the Multiverse unfolds and ultimately connects to the Source, or whether it is simply the underlying structure of the Divine Continuum/Totality of Creation within the DC Universe.
 
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If yall read Ressurection Man: Quantum Karma by Ram V

There's this villain who eats universes and it's referred to as "total information death" as well as the DC Universe containing Fractal Universes

It's a good run but as a fellow Indian in south Africa Ram V reeeeeeaaaallllyyy likes his stories including India as a location
 
Elizio33 said:
There's a few things I'm not entirely sure. Does the Material Realms really scale to the Implicate Order or it is the Totality of the DC Universe (Divine Continuum, Omniverse, and Hypertime) that should scale to the Implicate Order ??? Unless the Implicate Order is meant to extend to a higher hierarchy that ultimately reaches The Source ? I remember that this question has already been asked by many people in the past.

Also, as we discussed, the Bleed should be possibly Low 1-A for holding all levels of reality which is potentially infinite, and is transdimensional. It is not limited to the Orrery as it contains the true form of reality (snowflake) which contains 196,833 Multiverses. (Many thanks for our community for these finds!)

Should we still consider that the Orrery of Worlds possesses an inconsistent number of extra dimensions ranging from eleven, fourteen, nineteen to twenty-six ?

It is also appropriate to address the case of the realms located between the Material Realms and the Sphere of the Gods.

Do you still agree with the notion that the Vertigo Void ≠ the Overvoid and it's an aspect of it ?

I've done a lot of research lately, but I also need your opinion.
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Regarding 196833 dimensional space. Its not a key to the infinite Multiverse but a structure well beyond it

Read Xearesay blog to know further about it .
 
AndrewBennet said:
Regarding 196833 dimensional space. Its not a key to the infinite Multiverse but a structure well beyond it

Read Xearesay blog to know further about it .
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The 196,833-dimensional space refers to Multiverses, not higher spatial dimensions. We even have a quote from the recent Outsiders story that confirms this:
"An infinite number of Multiverses. Not infinite actually. Probably more like... 196,833".
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Context is always king, no matter what, and one must be careful with the meaning of the word "dimensions," as it is used very loosely in comics. Regardless, the blog is awesome. Amazing work!
 
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Antvasima said:
Hello.

What do our knowledgeable members think that we should do here? Does Mordru have a known lifting strength, or should it be "Unknown"? 🙏
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I still need help with this in any case. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
I still need help with this in any case. 🙏
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Never mind. It seems like "Unknown" was decided to be used. 🙏

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Wouldn't this unironically BUFF the snowflake? As the 194 something Multiverses probably contains Multiverse 2 which is the Pre-Crisis Multiverse?
 
Also with the cosmology stuff New Gods created Wonder World which can get to low 1-A. I'm assuming this is their emanations as prior to the metal shit they always used emanations and only FULLY appeared in Final Crisis
 
Regarding the Orrey . I think its more of a material plane which houses infinite multiverses ( including elseworld stories ) of different continuities which would make it 1A .
 
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