Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

[AlipheeseXIV]

Mind showing me the scan?

When Nivora disappeared and reappeared after Rover attacked her, the way GA was "reassembled" seems like his true nature is probably non corporeal, but for right now its only supporting evidence

Also, I would like to make suggestion for toxic resistant/pain tolerance for Resonator as per 1.0 Exploration Quest "We Promise, we delivered"

"Tang Manliu: You really don't know? The Sea of Flames is a vast field of Incinero Petals whose pollen is extremely toxic.
Tang Manliu: Not to mention the horrible TDs! Few have made it out there alive, as far as I know."

"Tang Manliu: Though Resonators like you can withstand the toxin of Incinero Petal pollen longer, extended exposure will still lead to grave results."

"Tang Manliu: The toxicity of Incinero Petal comes mainly from its pollen. When it is inhaled, it generates a strong physical pain that feels like blazing.
Tang Manliu: The pollen doesn't diffuse very widely, though. It is often gathered on the ground surface.
Tang Manliu: Therefore, as long as you are careful enough not to tread on an Incinero Petal bush, the pollen's threat is significantly undermined."

So essentially, Resonator can resist toxin better then average human but would still negatively impacted after prolonged exposure or at higher doses. Either that, or the NPC was referring to Resonator higher pain tolerance compared to average human.

Yeah this can work for general resonators I think, maybe a minor resistance based off this though

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I dont think the Tiger's Maw feat can get anywhere near or above 5-A though. Plus we dont know if Lampylumen is the on who caused it, all evidence we have is that the deposit contain Lampylumen ore which only Lampylumen Myriad Tacet Discord can make.

We just dont have the timeframe for it and the reason I said we use Port of Guixiu Lament duration as the timeframe because that was the only lament or at least a big waveworn phenomena that we know of that occurs in Jinzhou that is not in Desorock Highland. In any case, if anyone is interested in determining the Port of Guixiu Lament duration, you can read in The Unfading Recording 1 and 2.

Regardless of how that pans out, I think 1.0 Rover should have resistance against delirium, hallucinations, and hypothermia as Pre-Havoc 1.0 Spectro Rover beat Lampylymen solo without much drama as per following.

"

Survey Report on the Lampylumen Veins II​

Unlocked by reaching 100% exploration.
Report on Hypothermia Incident

The newly surveyed mine, designated T36E8, has developed a freezing fog accompanied by an unusual buzzing sound that spreads with the mist. Until the source of the fog is identified, all survey operations in mine T36E8 have been suspended.

Following the appearance of the freezing fog, mining machinery has been unable to reach operating temperatures or issue safety warnings. Multiple health monitors on-site have reported hypothermia warnings among workers. The Midnight Rangers have entered the mine to conduct an emergency rescue.

Wounded miners have been transferred to the Medical Division of Huaxu Academy. In response, the Ministry of Development has deployed the Defense Division to secure and lock down the T36E8 site.

Symptoms among the affected miners include delirium, hallucinations, and hypothermia. These conditions, along with abnormal vital signs, have not responded to standard medical treatments. The preliminary assessment points to a potential assault incident involving TDs."- Tiger's Maw wiki page


Also 1.0 Post-Dreamless and 2.5 Rover should have Activated Chronosign and Phrolova's Flower both of which can stop or slow down time in his/her equipment page.

Also also, I just replayed Wuwa and currently at the end of 1.0 story. When I reach 2.7, I will post the NPC dialogue that mention how Threnodian Leviathan gem nearly overwhelmed Tethys. Although, now I am vaguely recall how it overwhemled Tethys by the sheer data it contain and not in a overpowering it in terms of power.

Also this seems a little difficult, I checked your previous message and the stuff you linked, the tough part here is the timeframe. It's not even assuming whether its lamplumen or not (since that is kinda heavily implied) but rather, if the timeframe is completely unknown it becomes more difficult to expect anything remotely advantageous for us coming from this calc. The feat could end up being city block level at worst or something along those lines, which wouldn't be particularly useful for us to index, so is there anything else you can add?

 

[GDS2]

Also this seems a little difficult, I checked your previous message and the stuff you linked, the tough part here is the timeframe. It's not even assuming whether its lamplumen or not (since that is kinda heavily implied) but rather, if the timeframe is completely unknown it becomes more difficult to expect anything remotely advantageous for us coming from this calc. The feat could end up being city block level at worst or something along those lines, which wouldn't be particularly useful for us to index, so is there anything else you can add?

Yeah, I already mention that the timeframe being difficult but no, I already check multiple NPCs in that area and other page but not one mention about the timeframe. Like I said, the best thing we can do is link it with Port of Guixu but that does not feels right to me. For now, I think we should put this bit aside and find other feat.

I would like to bring up that time Changli burning down a Sonoro Sphere that was created using Temporal Mandate. we see sun and other celestial body in it and I don't think anyone in this thread ever mentioning it.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

What do you think about this draft?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

What do you think about this draft?

Solid more or less, would just need some ironing out. But yeah...it's about right generally speaking

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I would like to bring up that time Changli burning down a Sonoro Sphere that was created using Temporal Mandate. we see sun and other celestial body in it and I don't think anyone in this thread ever mentioning it.

Yeah we haven't, I'll have to go back into the quest and see context again if we plan to use it, but we can definitely make something work there

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Solid more or less, would just need some ironing out. But yeah...it's about right generally speaking

That's just a rough draft lol

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

That's honestly fair, I might try to think of something this weekend or in the coming weeks, I should have a week break from uni starting this monday so that might be a good time for it

Thought of anything?

 

[EmilioRory10]

Thought of anything?

I got home days later than expected and kinda forgot, so there will be no blog just my scale here

Spoiler: For Jiyan himself

Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Fought evenly against Dreamless alongside Havoc Rover, casually performed this feat)
Lifting Strength: Class M (Pulled some platforms)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Superior to Chixia, comparable to Havoc Rover, his dragon moved faster than Rover and Dreamless)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level
Durability: Large Planet Level (Withstood a powerful attack from Dreamless)

Spoiler: Those currently with 7-B scaling

Spectro Rover
Attack Potency: At least City Level, at most Large Planet Level (Comparable to Jiyan, broke through the Dreamless's barrier, injured and overpowered Scar, although the latter was not trying to kill and likely holding back)
Lifting Strength: Class M (Pulled platforms)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Superior to Chixia, comparable to Jiyan)
Striking Strength: At least City Level, at most Large Planet Level (Broke through the Dreamless's barrier)
Durability: At least City Level

Yinlin
Attack Potency: At least City Level (Incapacitated Rover, fought and destroyed Mech Abomination alongside Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class M (Restrained Rover)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Likely City Level

Xiangli Yao
Attack Potency: At least City Level (Fought and damaged Mech Abomination alongside Rover)
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover)
Striking Strength: At least City Level (damaged Mech Abomination with a punch)
Durability: At most City Level (Blocked attacks from Mech Abomination)

Jinhsi (Pre Second Awakening)
Attack Potency: At least City Level, possibly Large Planet Level (Briefly held down Scar, countered Jue's attacks with her own and damaged it)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, possibly Class P (Briefly held down Scar)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely far higher (Superior to Chixia, freed herself from time-stop and blocked a light attack before it could hit her)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Possibly Large Planet Level with Forte (Blocked an attack from Jue)
Note: We could calculate her reaction to Jue's attack if it is light based, the "likely far higher" is just temporary
Speed of Light attack speed, if used, also applies to Post-Second Awakening

Changli
Attack Potency: City Level, up to possibly Large Planet Level with Forte (Fought alongside Rover in the sonoro sphere, burnt down a sonoro sphere, including the Chrono Shadows which briefly struggled with Rover, harmed an unknown Fractsidus Overseer)
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Striking Strength: Unknown
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Superior to Chixia, fought alongside Rover on multiple cases)
Durability: At least City Level, possibly Large Planet Level (isn't immune to her own flames)

Abby
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, Large Planet Level with absorption (Absorbed the energy of Dreamless, shielding Rover and Jiyan. Absorbed the dark tide unleashed by the False Sovereign, protecting Rover and Augusta)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Has reacted on time to attacks like the Dragon of Dirge's beam and the Dark Tide unleashed by the False Sovereign)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown

Roccia
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, at least City Level with Pero (easily swatted away a Thundering Mephis. Which is strong enough to slow Jiyan down, Roccia was confident she could beat the Dragon of Dirge whose beam overpowered a weakened Abby and harmed Rover. Fought Hecate alongside Carlotta and Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Unknown physically, Sub-Relativistic+ attack speed (Her fireworks reached towards Phrolova at the same speed as Carlotta's bullets and Rover)
Striking Strength: Unknown, at least City Level for Pero
Durability: Unknown physically, at least City Level with Pero (Unharmed by its own strike towards the Thundering Mephis)

It is a Thundering Mephis not Tempest, you can see it has 2 visible eyes, and bigger wings and horns than the Tempest Mephis
The justification for the Thundering Mephis and Dragon of Dirge can be removed if they get profiles, which I think could be a good idea for all bosses

Brant
I'll actually leave him as is for now, may come back to his profile later but I can't think of any scale for him, at all

Ciaccona
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, possibly at most Large Planet Level with Forte (Atttacked Leviathan alongside four other resonators and pushed it back)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Shouldn't be much inferior to others)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown

Spoiler: Those currently with 5-A scaling

Phoebe
Attack Potency: Unknown physically (Knocked out some vitreum dancers, impressing Zani and Rover), possibly Large Planet Level with Forte (attacked Leviathan who then blocked it, shouldn't be inferior to her durability)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ movement and reaction speed (Reacted to Leviathan's attack to Rover and blocked it, moved at similar speed to Rover, reacted to Leviathan's dark tide to her). Speed of Light attack speed (Her forte allows her to manifest light refracting into various forms of prisms, and is described as reflecting on mirrors. Which is seen in her resonator showcase)
Striking Strength: Unknown (Knocked out some vitreum dancers)
Durability: Unknown physically, Large Planet Level with Forte (Blocked Leviathan's attacks towards Rover, and the dark tide engulfing her light beam)
It was weird she didn't have Speed of Light attack speed considering the Sub-Relativistic+ Rinascita scale comes from that

Carlotta
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, at most Large Planet Level with Forte (fought Hecate alongside Rover and Roccia, along with Cantarella's power, pushed Leviathan. With help from Zani and the Sentry Construct, defeated a False Sovereign)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Shouldn't be inferior to Zani)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown
Not really sure where her durability scales, if she has some feats I don't remember that'd be great

Zani
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Briefly fought and overpowered Leviathan alongside Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita, overpowered Leviathan in their brief fight)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Kept up with Leviathan and Rover)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level (overpowered Leviathan)
Durability: Large Planet Level (Blocked an attack from Leviathan)

Lupa
Attack Potency: at most Large Planet Level (Defeated Lady of the Sea, who briefly clashed with Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Lady of the Sea, kept similar pace to Cartethyia)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level
Durability: Likely Large Planet Level (Fought Lady of the Sea)

Cantarella
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, Large Planet Level with Forte (Along with Carlotta's power, pushed Leviathan, was deemed a powerful resonator by Galbrena)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Should be at least comparable to Carlotta, Galbrena said it was hard to not get caught because of her)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown
You could probably fit the second awakening statements somewhere, I wouldn't use the threnodian whispers for AP and durability though

Galbrena
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Fought alongside Rover against Avidius as a False Sovereign, is said to be able to unravel Cristoforo's play and surpassed Schwarzloch's expectations, defeated him in Kharon's body), higher when overclocking (burnt through the purest dark tide, which completely engulfed Rover, blocked Scar's attack and burnt him, powered up Rover's slash with her forte. Burnt past the dark tide Leviathan used to block her and Rover off)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Scales to Leviathan, blitzed Schwarzloch)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level (physically overpowered Schwarzloch)
Durability: Large Planet Level (Withstood attacks from Schwarzloch)

Cartethyia
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Overpowered an injured Leviathan, even as an incomplete shell destroyed Fleurdelys's barrier. Should scale to her barriers), far higher as Fleurdelys (upon getting the second awakening power from Cantarella, defeated Leviathan, defeated Rover in their first fight, destroyed a dark tide empowered Arsinosa, confronted Cristoforo and stripped his control from the script, then made 3 fractsidus overseers flee. Her power nearly destroyed the Tethys System's simulation)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan, comparable to Rover)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover and Leviathan)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level
Durability: Large Planet Level (Fought Leviathan in the past, blocked Leviathan's attack)
Maybe nearly destroying the simulation can upscale her even further?

Augusta
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (As the Ephor of Septimont, she is its strongest warrior, making her far superior to Lupa, clashed with Rover), Higher with Reverberation of Souls (After absorbing the souls of the fallen in the dark tide, she was capable of destroying the False Sovereign in a single blow, which threatened all of Septimont)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Rover barely reacted on time to her attack)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Should be comparable to Rover, held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level
Durability: Large Planet Level

Iuno
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, up to Large Planet Level with Forte (Cleared most of the Dark Tide in the plateaus, Septimont's strategy relied on her shooting the False Sovereign when it showed itself)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (As a key member of the hunt, shouldn't be far from Augusta)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown

The Shorekeeper
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Comparable to Rover)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Was unaffected by the Necrostar's Gravity)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: likely Large Planet Level
Tethys System scaling should stay the same

Rover (Havoc)
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Split the Necrostar, should be comparable if not superior to when first getting to Rinascita, as not much time had passed and Abby's weakening should cause a negative effect in Rover)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (When mistaking Carlotta for an enemy, dodged all her bullets and blocked her attacks, quickly closing the gap)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Comparable to Shorekeeper)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level (Stronger than before)
Durability: Large Planet Level

Rover (Aero)
Attack Potency: At least Large Planet Level (Much stronger than before after resonating with Cartethyia, fought and defeated Fleurdelys, stronger than Cartethyia, stabbed Leviathan twice)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (faster than before)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Stronger than before)
Striking Strength: At least Large Planet Level (Stronger than before)
Durability: Large Planet Level

Chisa
Attack Potency: Likely Large Planet Level (Fought a False Sovereign in Honami City alongside Rover)
Speed: likely Sub-Relativistic+ (Fought a False Sovereign, comparable to Rover)
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Possibly Large Planet Level

Scar
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Described by Iuno as an intense frequency, was seen as enough of a threat that all the Rinascitans tried attacking him at once), higher as Aberrant Nightmare (Nearly defeated Rover with Phrolova's help, overpowered them)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover, reacted to Qiuyuan's attacks)
Lifting Strength: Class P as Aberrant Nightmare (Overpowered Rover)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level, higher as Aberrant Nightmare (Overpowered Rover)
Durability: Unknown, at least Large Planet Level as Aberrant Nightmare (Withstood an attack from Qiuyuan, who was aiming to kill)

Phrolova
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (fought Rover alongside Scar and nearly won, Large Planet Level with Hecate (fought Rover, Carlotta and Roccia)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Reacted to Rover, fought Rover with Scar's help), Sub-Relativistic+ with Hecate (fought Rover, Carlotta and Roccia, briefly matched Aero Rover)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, likely Class P
Striking Strength: Unknown, possibly Large Planet Level with Hecate
Durability: Unknown, Large Planet Level with Hecate

Qiuyuan
Attack Potency: At least Large Planet Level (beat Scar without much difficulty, was investigated for possible ties with a sentinel or threnodian, despite him holding back his forte, was said to hold the fiercest frontline when the fractsidus unleashed the dark tide)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Should be superior to Scar)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, possibly Class P
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level
Durability: Unknown, possibly Large Planet Level (was directly hit by the Dark Tide unleashed by the fractsidus, yet remained unharmed)

I decided to ignore Cristoforo for now, and like I said, I can't think of much scaling for Abby's speed and durability or Brant overall

Btw I did add my own things, I felt some didn't have proper justifications, if there's contention for this it can be removed
also I didn't order the stats perfectly, I was too focused on just getting them

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Abby's speed would just scale to everyone's, since he's consistently shown absorbing attacks from relative opponents (Dreamless/False Sovereign) his durability outside of what he can absorb will be unknown tho so yeah we can leave that

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Jiyan probably does fully scale striking strength to AP, but after reading the striking strength page it seems a bit hard to justify

Just use the AP justification, he just blatantly scales because his dragons are apart of SS since every time he uses them he needs to put physical force behind them (kinda like how people with telekinesis qualify for LS feats)

Spoiler: For Jiyan himself

Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Fought evenly against Dreamless alongside Havoc Rover, casually performed this feat)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Comparable to Havoc Rover)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Havoc Rover, his dragon moved faster than Rover and Dreamless)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Large Planet Level (Withstood a powerful attack from Dreamless)

Spoiler: Those currently with 7-B scaling

Spectro Rover
Attack Potency: At least City Level, at most Large Planet Level (Comparable to Jiyan, broke through the Dreamless's barrier, injured and overpowered Scar, although the latter was not trying to kill and likely holding back)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, possibly Class P (Comparable to Jiyan)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Superior to Chixia, comparable to Jiyan)
Striking Strength: At least City Level, at most Large Planet Level (Broke through the Dreamless's barrier)
Durability: At least City Level

Yinlin
Attack Potency: At least City Level (Incapacitated Rover, fought and destroyed Mech Abomination alongside Rover)
Lifting Strength: Unknown (Restrained Rover)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Likely City Level

Xiangli Yao
Attack Potency: At least City Level (Fought and damaged Mech Abomination alongside Rover)
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover)
Striking Strength: At least City Level (damaged Mech Abomination with a punch)
Durability: At most City Level (Blocked attacks from Mech Abomination)

Jinhsi (Pre Second Awakening)
Attack Potency: At least City Level, possibly Large Planet Level (Briefly held down Scar, countered Jue's attacks with her own and damaged it)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, possibly Class P (Briefly held down Scar)
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely far higher (Superior to Chixia, freed herself from time-stop and blocked a light attack before it could hit her). Speed of Light attack speed
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Possibly Large Planet Level with Forte (Blocked an attack from Jue)
Note: We could calculate her reaction to Jue's attack if it is light based, the "likely far higher" is just temporary
Speed of Light attack speed, if used, also applies to Post-Second Awakening

Changli
Attack Potency: City Level, up to possibly Large Planet Level (Fought alongside Rover in the sonoro sphere, burnt down a sonoro sphere, including the Chrono Shadows which briefly struggled with Rover, harmed an unknown Fractsidus Overseer)
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Striking Strength: Unknown
Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic+ (Superior to Chixia, fought alongside Rover on multiple cases)
Durability: At least City Level, possibly Large Planet Level (isn't immune to her own flames)

Abby
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, Large Planet Level with absorption (Absorbed the energy of Dreamless, shielding Rover and Jiyan. Absorbed the dark tide unleashed by the False Sovereign, protecting Rover and Augusta)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)

Idk what speed feat Abby has necessarily on the level of the Rinascitan cast, not sure how to scale its durability either so I'll hold out on that for now

Roccia
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, at least City Level, possibly Large Planet Level with Pero (easily swatted away a Thundering Mephis. Which is strong enough to slow Jiyan down, Roccia was confident she could beat the Dragon of Dirge whose beam overpowered a weakened Abby and harmed Rover. Fought Hecate alongside Carlotta and Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Unknown physically, Sub-Relativistic+ attack speed (Her fireworks reached towards Phrolova at the same speed as Carlotta's bullets and Rover)
Striking Strength: Unknown, at least City Level, possibly Large Planet Level for Pero
Durability: Unknown physically, at least City Level, possibly Large Planet Level with Pero (Unharmed by its own strike towards the Thundering Mephis)
It is a Thundering Mephis not Tempest, you can see it has 2 visible eyes, and bigger wings and horns than the Tempest Mephis
The justification for the Thundering Mephis and Dragon of Dirge can be removed if they get profiles, which I think could be a good idea for all bosses

Brant
I'll actually leave him as is for now, may come back to his profile later but I can't think of any scale for him, at all

Ciaccona
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, possibly at most Large Planet Level with Forte (Atttacked Leviathan alongside four other resonators and pushed it back)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Shouldn't be much inferior to others)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown

Most of these are ok, but the "possibly sub rela" rating for speed on some Jinzhou characters isn't. This is because the characters don't have any specific reason for scaling to Phoebe's light beam since they have neither reacted to it themselves, nor directly fought anyone who has. Likewise, the wiki does not allow for simple light based statemens to be used for any speed ratings, that's why we had to go out of our way to use it for Phoebe. The wiki's light based speed ratings are extremely difficult to qualify for, something a lot of people don't understand

With LS, characters like Yinlin will not scale to class P but class M coming from our second LS calc. Other than that, Pero shouldn't scale to 5A since the evidence for it is just too weak right now, its never directly clashed or fought with a character on that level. For the Dragon of Dirge, it's more likely that it overpowered Abby's absorption speed/capacity more than anything else due to the beam being constantly shot out and this regularly being a weakness for absorption based characters in fiction. Even then though, unless the Dragon of Dirge blatantly has fought some of the 5A cast that I'm missing, it'd still be safer to assume 7B for it

I'm fine with the "at most" rating for Rover, even if there's really not that much proof for Dreamless's barrier scaling to it's full or a large portion of it's power, but it's probably the most we can realistically do right now. Though this will require a CRT, along with some other stuff

Spoiler: Those currently with 5-A scaling

Phoebe
Attack Potency: Unknown physically (Knocked out some vitreum dancers, impressing Zani and Rover), possibly Large Planet Level with Forte (attacked Leviathan who then blocked it, shouldn't be inferior to her durability)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ movement and reaction speed (Reacted to Leviathan's attack to Rover and blocked it, moved at similar speed to Rover, reacted to Leviathan's dark tide to her). Speed of Light attack speed (Her forte allows her to manifest light refracting into various forms of prisms, and is described as reflecting on mirrors. Which is seen in her resonator showcase)
Striking Strength: Unknown (Knocked out some vitreum dancers)
Durability: Unknown physically, Large Planet Level with Forte (Blocked Leviathan's attacks towards Rover, and the dark tide engulfing her light beam)
It was weird she didn't have Speed of Light attack speed considering the Sub-Relativistic+ Rinascita scale comes from that

Carlotta
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, at most Large Planet Level with Forte (fought Hecate alongside Rover and Roccia, along with Cantarella's power, pushed Leviathan. With help from Zani and the Sentry Construct, defeated a False Sovereign)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Shouldn't be inferior to Zani)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown
Not really sure where her durability scales, if she has some feats I don't remember that'd be great

Zani
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Briefly fought and overpowered Leviathan alongside Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita, overpowered Leviathan in their brief fight)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Kept up with Leviathan and Rover)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level (overpowered Leviathan)
Durability: Large Planet Level (Blocked an attack from Leviathan)

Lupa
Attack Potency: at most Large Planet Level (Defeated Lady of the Sea, who briefly clashed with Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Lady of the Sea, kept similar pace to Cartethyia)
Striking Strength: Possibly Large Planet Level
Durability: Likely Large Planet Level (Fought Lady of the Sea)

Cantarella
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, Large Planet Level with Forte (Along with Carlotta's power, pushed Leviathan, was deemed a powerful resonator by Galbrena)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Should be at least comparable to Carlotta, Galbrena said it was hard to not get caught because of her)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown
You could probably fit the second awakening statements somewhere, I wouldn't use the threnodian whispers for AP and durability though

Galbrena
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Fought alongside Rover against Avidius as a False Sovereign, is said to be able to unravel Cristoforo's play and surpassed Schwarzloch's expectations, defeated him in Kharon's body), higher when overclocking (burnt through the purest dark tide, which completely engulfed Rover, blocked Scar's attack and burnt him, powered up Rover's slash with her forte. Burnt past the dark tide Leviathan used to block her and Rover off)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Scales to Leviathan, blitzed Schwarzloch)
Striking Strength: Likely Large Planet Level (physically overpowered Schwarzloch)
Durability: Large Planet Level (Withstood attacks from Schwarzloch)

Cartethyia
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Overpowered an injured Leviathan, even as an incomplete shell destroyed Fleurdelys's barrier. Should scale to her barriers), far higher as Fleurdelys (upon getting the second awakening power from Cantarella, defeated Leviathan, defeated Rover in their first fight, destroyed a dark tide empowered Arsinosa, confronted Cristoforo and stripped his control from the script, then made 3 fractsidus overseers flee. Her power nearly destroyed the Tethys System's simulation)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan, comparable to Rover)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover and Leviathan)
Striking Strength: Likely Large Planet Level
Durability: Large Planet Level (Fought Leviathan in the past, blocked Leviathan's attack)
Maybe nearly destroying the simulation can upscale her even further?

Augusta
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (As the Ephor of Septimont, she is its strongest warrior, making her far superior to Lupa, clashed with Rover), Higher with Reverberation of Souls (After absorbing the souls of the fallen in the dark tide, she was capable of destroying the False Sovereign in a single blow, which threatened all of Septimont)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Rover barely reacted on time to her attack)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Should be comparable to Rover, held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Striking Strength: Likely Large Planet Level
Durability: Large Planet Level

Iuno
Attack Potency: Unknown physically, up to Large Planet Level with Forte (Cleared most of the Dark Tide in the plateaus, Septimont's strategy relied on her shooting the False Sovereign when it showed itself)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (As a key member of the hunt, shouldn't be far from Augusta)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Held down Leviathan alongside the rest of Rinascita)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown

The Shorekeeper
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Comparable to Rover)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Was unaffected by the Necrostar's Gravity)
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: likely Large Planet Level
Tethys System scaling should stay the same

Rover (Havoc)
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Split the Necrostar, should be comparable if not superior to when first getting to Rinascita, as not much time had passed and Abby's weakening should cause a negative effect in Rover)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (When mistaking Carlotta for an enemy, dodged all her bullets and blocked her attacks, quickly closing the gap)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Comparable to Shorekeeper)
Striking Strength: Likely Large Planet Level (Stronger than before)
Durability: Large Planet Level

Rover (Aero)
Attack Potency: at least Large Planet Level (Much stronger than before after resonating with Cartethyia, fought and defeated Fleurdelys, stronger than Cartethyia, stabbed Leviathan twice)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (faster than before)
Lifting Strength: Class P (Stronger than before)
Striking Strength: Likely Large Planet Level (Stronger than before)
Durability: Large Planet Level

Chisa
Attack Potency: Likely Large Planet Level (Fought a False Sovereign in Honami City alongside Rover)
Speed: likely Sub-Relativistic+ (Fought a False Sovereign, comparable to Rover)
Lifting Strength: Unknown
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Possibly Large Planet Level

Scar
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (Described by Iuno as an intense frequency, was seen as enough of a threat that all the Rinascitans tried attacking him at once), higher as Aberrant Nightmare (Nearly defeated Rover with Phrolova's help, overpowered them)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to Rover, reacted to Qiuyuan's attacks)
Lifting Strength: Class P as Aberrant Nightmare (Overpowered Rover)
Striking Strength: Large Planet Level, higher as Aberrant Nightmare (Overpowered Rover)
Durability: Unknown, at least Large Planet Level as Aberrant Nightmare (Withstood an attack from Qiuyuan, who was aiming to kill)

Phrolova
Attack Potency: Large Planet Level (fought Rover alongside Scar and nearly won, Large Planet Level with Hecate (fought Rover, Carlotta and Roccia)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Reacted to Rover, fought Rover with Scar's help), Sub-Relativistic+ with Hecate (fought Rover, Carlotta and Roccia, briefly matched Aero Rover)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, likely Class P
Striking Strength: Unknown, possibly Large Planet Level with Hecate
Durability: Unknown, likely Large Planet Level with Hecate

Qiuyuan
Attack Potency: At least Large Planet Level (beat Scar without much difficulty, was investigated for possible ties with a sentinel or threnodian, despite him holding back his forte, was said to hold the fiercest frontline when the fractsidus unleashed the dark tide)
Speed: Sub-Relativistic+ (Should be superior to Scar)
Lifting Strength: Unknown, possibly Class P
Striking Strength: Unknown
Durability: Unknown, possibly Large Planet Level (was directly hit by the Dark Tide unleashed by the fractsidus, yet remained unharmed)

Most the characters here will just have 5A SS, there's just no reason for it to be "possibly" or "likely", Rover's entire feat is a SS one to begin with and that's how all the characters currently scale to the feat so it should be a flat rating. For characters like Carlotta and Cantarella, either they scale to 7B or their rating will be changed to an "at most" and downscale. Doesn't really matter to me which we choose to go with, whichever you guys prefer there is fine

I decided to ignore Cristoforo for now, and like I said, I can't think of much scaling for Abby's speed and durability or Brant overall

Yeah that's fine, already commented on Abby. For Brant, he'll just have to rely on the fact that he's relative to Roccia and Pero generally, there's not much else going for him

 

[EmilioRory10]

Just use the AP justification, he just blatantly scales because his dragons are apart of SS since every time he uses them he needs to put physical force behind them (kinda like how people with telekinesis qualify for LS feats)

Makes sense

Most of these are ok, but the "possibly sub rela" rating for speed on some Jinzhou characters isn't. This is because the characters don't have any specific reason for scaling to Phoebe's light beam since they have neither reacted to it themselves, nor directly fought anyone who has. Likewise, the wiki does not allow for simple light based statemens to be used for any speed ratings, that's why we had to go out of our way to use it for Phoebe. The wiki's light based speed ratings are extremely difficult to qualify for, something a lot of people don't understand

I figured mostly because 1.0-1.4 Havoc Rover~Early Rinascita Havoc Rover~Carlotta in speed, and Spectro Rover's speed scaling being somewhat relative to Dreamless (dodged a few attacks right before absorbing its power) and Jiyan, thus Havoc Rover.
I'm guessing you mean Jinhsi and Jue's lightspeed? I'd be willing to look into that but yeah it's def not as consistent as with Phoebe

With LS, characters like Yinlin will not scale to class P but class M coming from our second LS calc.

I didn't see that one, that's fair, is Jiyan's Class P safe or does he just get his Class M? Also I just went with unknown for them as I figured Spectro Rover's best scaling was in a pretty desperate situation (same reason I don't scale dura to it)

Other than that, Pero shouldn't scale to 5A since the evidence for it is just too weak right now, its never directly clashed or fought with a character on that level.

Eh, I do feel like the Mephis must be somewhat close to Jiyan if they can slow him down, but yeah it is a massive downscale

For the Dragon of Dirge, it's more likely that it overpowered Abby's absorption speed/capacity more than anything else due to the beam being constantly shot out and this regularly being a weakness for absorption based characters in fiction.

I actually mentioned Rover being harmed by it, it wasn't too bad but they were knocked out from the beam, if it was just overpowering Abby's absorption I wouldn't really consider it, as Abby was sick/weakened for most of 2.0

Even then though, unless the Dragon of Dirge blatantly has fought some of the 5A cast that I'm missing, it'd still be safer to assume 7B for it

I could re-check the Rinascita finale from the moment it appeared, I was kind of rushing it

I'm fine with the "at most" rating for Rover, even if there's really not that much proof for Dreamless's barrier scaling to it's full or a large portion of it's power, but it's probably the most we can realistically do right now. Though this will require a CRT, along with some other stuff

To be honest I don't see any reason the barrier wouldn't scale to Dreamless, considering Ovathrax who was controlling Dreamless clearly wanted to avoid Rover getting close I don't see why it wouldn't be

Most the characters here will just have 5A SS, there's just no reason for it to be "possibly" or "likely", Rover's entire feat is a SS one to begin with and that's how all the characters currently scale to the feat so it should be a flat rating.

Fair, I misremembered the striking strength page while reading it, I think all fighters who use mainly physical attacks should scale there then, still find that Ciaccona, Phoebe, Iuno, Carlotta, Cantarella, etc wouldn't scale to it

For characters like Carlotta and Cantarella, either they scale to 7B or their rating will be changed to an "at most" and downscale. Doesn't really matter to me which we choose to go with, whichever you guys prefer there is fine

7-B still feels like a weird rating to me, it hinges on the idea of Jiyan being extremely casual when he did that attack and that these characters scale to casual Jiyan but are not at the level where they can downscale from full power Jiyan

Anyway, I'll try to edit my comment as we discuss, maybe I could try to make a sandbox but I can't guarantee doing anything soon.

 

[EmilioRory10]

If it helps, we should probably make profiles for the 1.0 bosses (especially Crownless, Thundering Mephis, and Impermanence Heron) and try to find their scaling, as that's what Roccia's hinges on, and arguably even some low-mid tiers like Yangyang

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I figured mostly because 1.0-1.4 Havoc Rover~Early Rinascita Havoc Rover~Carlotta in speed, and Spectro Rover's speed scaling being somewhat relative to Dreamless (dodged a few attacks right before absorbing its power) and Jiyan, thus Havoc Rover.
I'm guessing you mean Jinhsi and Jue's lightspeed? I'd be willing to look into that but yeah it's def not as consistent as with Phoebe

Well the problem is the Jinzhou characters (not ones like Jiyan) don't ever fight a Havoc Rover level enemy, or fight along with him because...well he just doesn't use his Havoc form until 1.3 in Tethy's space and naturally I don't think I have to explain why that wouldn't scale to people like Xiangli Yao, Yinlin, etc

I didn't see that one, that's fair, is Jiyan's Class P safe or does he just get his Class M? Also I just went with unknown for them as I figured Spectro Rover's best scaling was in a pretty desperate situation (same reason I don't scale dura to it)

Probably not scale him directly to Rover's Class P values since LS is a lot more strict than things like AP or Dura ratings, but we can scale him to the Rinascita casts LS (divided by 15 from holding down Leviathan)

Eh, I do feel like the Mephis must be somewhat close to Jiyan if they can slow him down, but yeah it is a massive downscale

I mean I don't think so, Jiyan handled it pretty easily but more importantly it is relative to him in speed. Lore wise, it would naturally slow him down since he was conserving his strength for the Threnodian, not to mention if he had let it run rampant (or let other warriors take care of it) they'd risk causalities, and as you know, this would then mean the Threnodian and the retroact rain would grow in strength from their frequencies and reverberations. So to me, it was always just that it slowed him down since he had to step in due to these reasons. If we scale the Tempest Mephis to 5A, then every character in the verse is 5A, that's problematic

I actually mentioned Rover being harmed by it, it wasn't too bad but they were knocked out from the beam, if it was just overpowering Abby's absorption I wouldn't really consider it, as Abby was sick/weakened for most of 2.0

I could re-check the Rinascita finale from the moment it appeared, I was kind of rushing it

Yeah true but it's base Rover so I'm not so sure, best to re-check for anything else we can use to justify it I guess

To be honest I don't see any reason the barrier wouldn't scale to Dreamless, considering Ovathrax who was controlling Dreamless clearly wanted to avoid Rover getting close I don't see why it wouldn't be

Well the verse doesn't have a UES at the moment, and we don't know when the barrier came up exactly. Since just prior, Jiyan was able to hit it with attacks, so it's hard to say how much energy was put into it, and then whether that energy would scale to it fully as a result

Fair, I misremembered the striking strength page while reading it, I think all fighters who use mainly physical attacks should scale there then, still find that Ciaccona, Phoebe, Iuno, Carlotta, Cantarella, etc wouldn't scale to it

Yeah they wouldn't because they aren't physical fighters (Iuno maybe after her she relinquished her foresight) but the rest literally never (or almost never) use strikes against comparable enemies

7-B still feels like a weird rating to me, it hinges on the idea of Jiyan being extremely casual when he did that attack and that these characters scale to casual Jiyan but are not at the level where they can downscale from full power Jiyan

Well it's just fiction really, same as when characters be like "I'm gonna use 10% of my full power" and they're like destroying planets and shit

Anyway, I'll try to edit my comment as we discuss, maybe I could try to make a sandbox but I can't guarantee doing anything soon.

Yeah that's fine, honestly I don't think it's serious enough to warrant a sandbox, leaving it here should be ok

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

If it helps, we should probably make profiles for the 1.0 bosses (especially Crownless, Thundering Mephis, and Impermanence Heron) and try to find their scaling, as that's what Roccia's hinges on, and arguably even some low-mid tiers like Yangyang

Yeah, eventually I plan to do so. It's just difficult right now since other characters take priority

 

[EmilioRory10]

Well the problem is the Jinzhou characters (not ones like Jiyan) don't ever fight a Havoc Rover level enemy, or fight along with him because...well he just doesn't use his Havoc form until 1.3 in Tethy's space and naturally I don't think I have to explain why that wouldn't scale to people like Xiangli Yao, Yinlin, etc

It's not necessarily that they scale to Havoc Rover, it's that they scale to Spectro Rover who has scaling to Jiyan, but I'm fine with only letting them scale to Chixia

Probably not scale him directly to Rover's Class P values since LS is a lot more strict than things like AP or Dura ratings, but we can scale him to the Rinascita casts LS (divided by 15 from holding down Leviathan)

I can agree with that, though as much as I see Jiyan as a high-top tier, Idk if we can really scale him to the 1/15 rating the Rinascitans scale to, I don't think it's wrong just not really shown in the series
Btw is the lifting strength feat "explosive" enough to be scalable to striking strength? Or does it not work because it's more of a constant tug of war (I searched a bit on the forum and it seems more explosive lifting strength feats are scalable to AP and SS, which could help the rinascitans with unknown or even city level physicals)

I mean I don't think so, Jiyan handled it pretty easily but more importantly it is relative to him in speed. Lore wise, it would naturally slow him down since he was conserving his strength for the Threnodian, not to mention if he had let it run rampant (or let other warriors take care of it) they'd risk causalities, and as you know, this would then mean the Threnodian and the retroact rain would grow in strength from their frequencies and reverberations. So to me, it was always just that it slowed him down since he had to step in due to these reasons. If we scale the Tempest Mephis to 5A, then every character in the verse is 5A, that's problematic

That makes sense, I forgot Ovathrax empowered itself with weapon frequencies. Plus everyone being 5-A as a result was actually the issue I was having with it

Yeah true but it's base Rover so I'm not so sure, best to re-check for anything else we can use to justify it I guess

Oh yeah, forgot I didn't give Rover Large Planet dura, only the "at most" rating for AP and SS. I'll look into Gehinnom's scaling later, I should have time tomorrow

Well the verse doesn't have a UES at the moment, and we don't know when the barrier came up exactly. Since just prior, Jiyan was able to hit it with attacks, so it's hard to say how much energy was put into it, and then whether that energy would scale to it fully as a result

Fair, but it's also kinda why I went with an "at most". While Rover was initially shown as the weak link in the fight, it wasn't really portrayed as a huge difference at any point, with Jiyan's strategy being shielding Rover while Rover tried striking the moon, while Jiyan was told about Jue's prophecy, it wasn't really detailed enough. I'm fine with Rover not scaling but it doesn't seem the most accurate depiction based on the fight, even if there's no direct feats other than the barrier

Yeah, eventually I plan to do so. It's just difficult right now since other characters take priority

I think once we get the current high tiers who have scaling to Rover we should focus on those bosses before making low-mid tier profiles, as their scaling mostly comes from them.

Btw Fleurdelys nearly destroying the Tethys System's simulations doesn't really bring any new scaling right? Just want to confirm

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

It's not necessarily that they scale to Havoc Rover, it's that they scale to Spectro Rover who has scaling to Jiyan, but I'm fine with only letting them scale to Chixia

Yeah but even Spectro Rover and Jiyan don't have speed scaling to Phoebe's light beam, you could probably make the argument that they do but there's no actual on screen feats to support this

I can agree with that, though as much as I see Jiyan as a high-top tier, Idk if we can really scale him to the 1/15 rating the Rinascitans scale to, I don't think it's wrong just not really shown in the series

I mean while that's true, scaling him to 1/15th of Rover's values can be done by backwards chain scaling, granted because all we know is that Leviathan upscales to an unknown degree we can't find an exact value. So if he doesn't scale to 1/15th of Leviathan, then leaving the class M rating is fine I guess, though people are going to find this very janky. It is what it is

Btw is the lifting strength feat "explosive" enough to be scalable to striking strength? Or does it not work because it's more of a constant tug of war (I searched a bit on the forum and it seems more explosive lifting strength feats are scalable to AP and SS, which could help the rinascitans with unknown or even city level physicals)

It's possible but only in very extreme situations, and that's usually only for people who perform the LS feat in question (like you could do it for Rover for example) but the same cannot be said for other characters

That makes sense, I forgot Ovathrax empowered itself with weapon frequencies. Plus everyone being 5-A as a result was actually the issue I was having with it

Yeah, that is something you have to consider with chain scaling. Just because there's an argument for it, doesn't always necessarily mean it's coherent in the story, this is one such case

Oh yeah, forgot I didn't give Rover Large Planet dura, only the "at most" rating for AP and SS. I'll look into Gehinnom's scaling later, I should have time tomorrow

Alright

Fair, but it's also kinda why I went with an "at most". While Rover was initially shown as the weak link in the fight, it wasn't really portrayed as a huge difference at any point, with Jiyan's strategy being shielding Rover while Rover tried striking the moon, while Jiyan was told about Jue's prophecy, it wasn't really detailed enough. I'm fine with Rover not scaling but it doesn't seem the most accurate depiction based on the fight, even if there's no direct feats other than the barrier

I mean my main point is, if we use the barrier as a justification then we have to be consistent with such feats in the future, I am primarily saying this for the sake of it and for others who might see this. Because sometimes people offer alternatives to things, but later down the line are quick to switch up on these same things. I don't think there's any major issue with using that, as long as it's "at most"

I think once we get the current high tiers who have scaling to Rover we should focus on those bosses before making low-mid tier profiles, as their scaling mostly comes from them.

Btw Fleurdelys nearly destroying the Tethys System's simulations doesn't really bring any new scaling right? Just want to confirm

That's the plan, Fleurdelys nearly destroying the tethys system's simulations wouldn't offer much right now. Mainly because we have no info on which sonoro sphere said test was simulated in, and we know tethys has a collection of countless sonoro spheres within it's space, their sizes are generally untierable right now

 

[EmilioRory10]

Yeah but even Spectro Rover and Jiyan don't have speed scaling to Phoebe's light beam, you could probably make the argument that they do but there's no actual on screen feats to support this

I figured Jiyan would via scaling to Havoc Rover in the Dreamless fight (as Havoc Rover does have scaling to some like Carlotta even while likely weakened), but if you argue Rover had already gone back to spectro by the last cutscene (which could be true as there's no havoc weapon or effect) you're right, there'd be no cutscene where Jiyan's speed scales to those values.

I mean while that's true, scaling him to 1/15th of Rover's values can be done by backwards chain scaling, granted because all we know is that Leviathan upscales to an unknown degree we can't find an exact value. So if he doesn't scale to 1/15th of Leviathan, then leaving the class M rating is fine I guess, though people are going to find this very janky. It is what it is

I see, I'd rather see more opinions first, I'm fine with either

It's possible but only in very extreme situations, and that's usually only for people who perform the LS feat in question (like you could do it for Rover for example) but the same cannot be said for other characters

Alright fair, I only meant for Brant, Roccia, Carlotta and whoever doesn't have proper physical scaling of the Rinascita cast, not for Jiyan to chainscale or anything similar. But if the situation doesn't warrant scaling I won't do it

I mean my main point is, if we use the barrier as a justification then we have to be consistent with such feats in the future, I am primarily saying this for the sake of it and for others who might see this. Because sometimes people offer alternatives to things, but later down the line are quick to switch up on these same things. I don't think there's any major issue with using that, as long as it's "at most"

Makes sense, maybe we could get more points of view if others discuss it, like when a CRT is made if I were to guess, for now I'll keep it at that

I watched 2.7 from the moment they appeared, the Dragon of Dirge and other echoes shielded them from the dark tide, but this could be due to unique physiology and abilities rather than AP/durability, afterwards they assisted with the dark tide and stood back to fight the tacet discords while the rest went for Leviathan, so no scaling from there.
I'm guessing Lumiscale Constructs can't be chainscaled to Rover/Changli/Jinhsi right? A Dragon of Dirge destroyed one easily in 2.0, and there was a lumiscale in the 1.1 story where we use all 3 as trial characters but no cutscene for scaling so for all we know it could've gotten stomped

 

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[AlipheeseXIV]

I figured Jiyan would via scaling to Havoc Rover in the Dreamless fight (as Havoc Rover does have scaling to some like Carlotta even while likely weakened), but if you argue Rover had already gone back to spectro by the last cutscene (which could be true as there's no havoc weapon or effect) you're right, there'd be no cutscene where Jiyan's speed scales to those values.

You could argue that

Alright fair, I only meant for Brant, Roccia, Carlotta and whoever doesn't have proper physical scaling of the Rinascita cast, not for Jiyan to chainscale or anything similar. But if the situation doesn't warrant scaling I won't do it

Yeah circumstances for scaling LS to SS are a bit unorthodox, I wouldn't recommend touching that unless you do a high level of research for it

Makes sense, maybe we could get more points of view if others discuss it, like when a CRT is made if I were to guess, for now I'll keep it at that

Chain scaling stuff doesn't require CRT's, it's encouraged to do it in discussion threads. Unfortunately, ours isn't very active, I'm sure someone will see this eventually and comment and if they don't well...that's ultimately their decision

I watched 2.7 from the moment they appeared, the Dragon of Dirge and other echoes shielded them from the dark tide, but this could be due to unique physiology and abilities rather than AP/durability, afterwards they assisted with the dark tide and stood back to fight the tacet discords while the rest went for Leviathan, so no scaling from there.

Yeah that is definitely a case of just resistance and not AP/Durability

I'm guessing Lumiscale Constructs can't be chainscaled to Rover/Changli/Jinhsi right? A Dragon of Dirge destroyed one easily in 2.0, and there was a lumiscale in the 1.1 story where we use all 3 as trial characters but no cutscene for scaling so for all we know it could've gotten stomped

Yeah there's nothing to really argue they scale to Rover/Changli/Jinhsi

 

[GDS2]

If it helps scale 1.x characters, Zani mention that 2.0 Rover defeat Sentry Construct. At 2.7 final fight, Sentry Construct briefly clash with Leviathan.

As for early characters like Yangyang, Chixia, Sanhua, maybe putting them at unknown but possibly or at most 5-A is good enough for now?

Also regarding Changli feat of burning down her master's Sonoro Sphere, I dont know if this is relevant but apparently Changli met her master without ever meeting Rover. However after the Companion Quest and Sonoro Sphere was burned down by Changli, the past changed and now Rover met Changli prior to Changli meeting her master. The dialogue can be seen in this video but later statement kinda contradict it when Rover said that past is not real, so can anyone check that bit of dialogue in Chinese?

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Also regarding Changli feat of burning down her master's Sonoro Sphere, I dont know if this is relevant but apparently Changli met her master without ever meeting Rover. However after the Companion Quest and Sonoro Sphere was burned down by Changli, the past changed and now Rover met Changli prior to Changli meeting her master. The dialogue can be seen in this video but later statement kinda contradict it when Rover said that past is not real, so can anyone that bit of dialogue in Chinese?

I don’t have the Mandarin text, but I can explain the meaning. What Rover means by saying it wasn’t real is that his presence never actually existed in Changli’s past. Changli truly never met Rover back then, she only knew of Rover as a great figure through her master. That’s why Rover says:

“But I wasn’t really there for you.”

Because at that time, Rover literally wasn’t there, and Changli was alone until she eventually met her master.
That’s my understanding of this part of the lore.

 

[GDS2]

I don’t have the Mandarin text, but I can explain the meaning. What Rover means by saying it wasn’t real is that his presence never actually existed in Changli’s past. Changli truly never met Rover back then, she only knew of Rover as a great figure through her master. That’s why Rover says:



Because at that time, Rover literally wasn’t there, and Changli was alone until she eventually met her master.
That’s my understanding of this part of the lore.

I suppose that make sense. Also, seems like I misread something. It is not that the Sonoro Sphere was created via Temporal Mandate, it is just the Sonoro Sphere was created by Changli's Master but was forcefully linked with Temporal Disruption due to Jue's damaged Temporal Mandate.

The statement that it contain Jue's Full Time Bending ability was apparently just a legend.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

I suppose that make sense. Also, seems like I misread something. It is not that the Sonoro Sphere was created via Temporal Mandate, it is just the Sonoro Sphere was created by Changli's Master but was forcefully linked with Temporal Disruption due to Jue's damaged Temporal Mandate.

The statement that it contain Jue's Full Time Bending ability was apparently just a legend.

In the story, it is explained that Sonoro was indeed created by Changli's master and rover to maximize Changli's own forte and is indeed connected to Jue's temporal mandate, because when the temporal mandate is lost due to the 2nd second awakening of jinhsi, the sonoro will automatically appear.

 

[GDS2]

In the story, it is explained that Sonoro was indeed created by Changli's master and rover to maximize Changli's own forte and is indeed connected to Jue's temporal mandate, because when the temporal mandate is lost due to the 2nd second awakening of jinhsi, the sonoro will automatically appear.

Yeah, tbh, I was hoping that the Sonoro Sphere to contain Jue Full Time bending ability (like Fractsidus member said) and was created with Temporal Mandate, thus we can argue that it should be universal in size thus giving Changli Low 2-C.

Now since determining the size of that Sonoro Sphere via Temporal Mandate is not exactly viable, I dont know what this feat will give us.

 

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[AlipheeseXIV]

If it helps scale 1.x characters, Zani mention that 2.0 Rover defeat Sentry Construct. At 2.7 final fight, Sentry Construct briefly clash with Leviathan.

I don't think we can really use this, Leviathan doesn't even appear to do much aside from blocking it's attack

As for early characters like Yangyang, Chixia, Sanhua, maybe putting them at unknown but possibly or at most 5-A is good enough for now?

We have calcs for them we can use from Sanhua, they'll probably be at most 7B because they just realistically have no reason to scale higher than Jiyan, at least afaik

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

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Any other additions?

 

[EmilioRory10]

Any other additions?

Nothing I can really think of, I'm kind of doubting the justification I used for Ciaccona's scaling though

 

[Mbpoops]

i saw zani got a skin... i didnt know persona skins were in aswell... i spent too much money

 

[MatterNerd]

They found us

 

[Mbpoops]

You should see the hoyo scaling reddit.. oh boy

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

They found us

 

[Hecky2222]

AURA FARMING LEAGUE! MATCH 16: GUN PARK VS GALBRENA (WEEK 3)

Lookism vs Wuthering Waves From the underground where fists decide everything… walks a man who perfected violence itself. Calm. Precise. Every movement… flawless. A presence that ends fights before they start… The masterpiece of combat… Gun Park. And across him… A force born from chaos and...

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AURA FARMING LEAGUE! MATCH 14: ROVER VS BATMAN (WEEK 3)

Wuthering Waves vs Batman: Arkham From a world shaped by echoes and lost memories… walks a presence still defining itself. Calm. Adaptive. Every step… rewriting what they are. Power that grows with every resonance… The wanderer beyond identity… Rover. And across him… A shadow that never...

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Chat help our characters

 

[MatterNerd]

According to leaks, I think we'll see a battle like Simon vs. Anti-Spiral.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Nothing I can really think of, I'm kind of doubting the justification I used for Ciaccona's scaling though

What part?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

You should see the hoyo scaling reddit.. oh boy

That place is a gold mine lmao

 

[Hecky2222]

You should see the hoyo scaling reddit.. oh boy

@R63Killerqueen damn bro you are getting slandered in there too.

 

[EmilioRory10]

What part?

This combined attack against Leviathan, though I'm pretty sure it is the way this site treats combined attacks so it'll probably be good

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

This combined attack against Leviathan, though I'm pretty sure it is the way this site treats combined attacks so it'll probably be good

Oh, I see now. I don't think we should rate her as at most 5A, we should either put her 7B or leave her fully unknown (physically speaking) for her buffing power, can probably put something like "far higher" since she never directly does anything aside from LS there