Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

[Bsk_lyree]

The moon splitting is dead, idk why people can't seem to let it go lol

In terms of DC it is impressive but it is still low end

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yeah well, most calced feats are typically low end as that's just what calc members consider "the safest assumption" unless there is additional evidence that gets mid-high end feats accepted

 

[IStar0thh]

Not true, they are exactly the same, as nothing major happens in between 1.0 and 1.3. Rover has not a single fight where they even use their havoc form again, and Jiyan directly keeps up with Rover and blocks attacks Rover cannot block before getting the Havoc form

I think you’re missing the point—this has no narrative coherence at all. If Jiyan were planetary during the fight against Dreamless, then Dreamless would also have to be planetary. But Rover wasn’t at that level at the time.
The Spectro Rover was fighting Dreamless on roughly equal footing, which makes this scaling inconsistent. Are we really saying a 7-B character was keeping up with a 5-A opponent? That doesn’t make sense.
On top of that, the Spectro Rover was clearly comparable to Jiyan, so it doesn’t make sense for Jiyan to be 5-A either.
The most logical explanation is that Rover simply became stronger as the story progressed, rather than already being at that level during those earlier fights.

Honestly atp I think you guys just really don't think before you say stuff, it is a very simple concept.

First of all, Aero Rover is vastly superior to Havoc Rover, if I genuinely need to explain why then this is already a lost cause, just go replay or rewatch 2.2 when actually paying proper attention this time. Secondly, ignoring that Rover was specifically using his Aero powers against Mya (who's comparable to the Leviathan Lupa fought)

Brother, Rover only used Aero to separate Mya from Lupa—everything else in that fight happened offscreen. It doesn’t make sense to make assumptions about what occurred beyond that.
Secondly, there’s no scan supporting this claim.
Furthermore, if that Leviathan were truly comparable to the Aero Rover, it shouldn’t have lost to Cartethyia, and by extension, it shouldn’t have lost to Lupa either.
In other words, that line of reasoning just doesn’t hold up.

there is another very blatant and obvious fact and that is Augusta, who blatantly forced Rover to utilize his Havoc powers in order to contend with her. The two are then seen performing equally against False Sovereign, Augusta is then shown performing similarly to everyone in the 2.7 finale, so unless you're just gonna sit here and tell me Leviathan is weaker than Havoc Rover then you're just talking for the sake of talking. If you genuinely believe that is the case, then I'll downgrade everyone back to 7B

My point is that the justification used in Lupa’s profile isn’t valid. Also, the points I raised about Scar and Qiuyuan still haven’t been addressed. I'm not saying to downgrade everyone to 7B, 5A is fine for some characters, I have no problem with that.

But quite frankly, ya'll always complain about everything and I anticipated this. So do as you please, it doesn't really matter to me

I’m not complaining just for the sake of it. And I know you do a good job—especially when it comes to adding abilities and hax

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I think you’re missing the point—this has no narrative coherence at all. If Jiyan were planetary during the fight against Dreamless, then Dreamless would also have to be planetary. But Rover wasn’t at that level at the time.

This just literally proves my point that you don't pay proper attention to the story...Havoc Rover absorbed Dreamless's frequency to gain access to the Havoc form, obviously Dreamless scales to him idk why you say this as if she doesn't, this leads into my next point

The Spectro Rover was fighting Dreamless on roughly equal footing, which makes this scaling inconsistent. Are we really saying a 7-B character was keeping up with a 5-A opponent? That doesn’t make sense.
On top of that, the Spectro Rover was clearly comparable to Jiyan, so it doesn’t make sense for Jiyan to be 5-A either.
The most logical explanation is that Rover simply became stronger as the story progressed, rather than already being at that level during those earlier fights.

Yeah this is fair, but at the end of the day this is because we don't have any higher calcs on the wiki. Just because we list the characters as 7B currently (because it's literally the only feat we have calced) does not mean the characters are actually city level, the same exact way the characters weren't actually MHS but Sub rela as soon as the calc was accepted. Point is, we simply lack calcs to definitively put them on any higher tier for the time being, which makes it look so jarring as a result.

Brother, Rover only used Aero to separate Mya from Lupa—everything else in that fight happened offscreen. It doesn’t make sense to make assumptions about what occurred beyond that.

The hell are you talking about? We quite literally know he fought Leviathan and that they were relative because it's literally shown in the Lupa scene when she's leaving the Sonoro.

Furthermore, if that Leviathan were truly comparable to the Aero Rover, it shouldn’t have lost to Cartethyia, and by extension, it shouldn’t have lost to Lupa either.
In other words, that line of reasoning just doesn’t hold up.

Genuinely what are you talking about?

My point is that the justification used in Lupa’s profile isn’t valid. Also, the points I raised about Scar and Qiuyuan still haven’t been addressed. I'm not saying to downgrade everyone to 7B, 5A is fine for some characters, I have no problem with that.

They have been addressed, not even surprising you missed it atp. I already explained that the heavy hitters of the Rinascita cast can contend with people who are at least equal to Havoc Rover.

I’m not complaining just for the sake of it. And I know you do a good job—especially when it comes to adding abilities and hax

You are are absolutely complaining for the sake of it, as despite claiming you're not, you have yet to offer a proper alternative in this entire response. If your point wasn't to complain, then you'd have done that but you clearly didn't. I already stated it doesn't matter whether you guys want to downgrade, but obviously you need to offer a legitimate reason for doing so. Which you have, on every single account, failed to do thus far. You're free to (and encouraged) to start doing that now.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

As long as you offer a legitimate reason (that isn't you blatantly misunderstanding and/or forgetting important details in the story) I genuinely don't mind changing the ratings, but what you've said thus far does not qualify as that. So, if you could present a scaling chain, please do so. We can even host a vote here in the discussion thread to see what people want

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Also I just went back to rewatch the footage for you, as well as get the link. But if you legitimately watch the fight, Rover doesn't actually do anything in the entire fight other than presumably dodge Dreamless's attacks (not going to bother explaining why we're not using the gameplay as it is not indicative of the story in this instance) but if you watch every cutscene Rover literally does nothing, it's also funny how Dreamless goes out of it's way to copy Jiyan's weapon yet never bothers copying Rover's, almost as if Jiyan is the bigger threat there, not to mention Rover is heavily implied narratively to have taken serious damage if he had been hit by Dreamless's attack, as notice how genuinely worried his face is (which Jiyan blocks) and only then does he absorb it's frequency to then unlock the Havoc form. Legit not a single time in any of the cutscenes before that, is he shown clashing, landing attacks, or anything of the sort with Dreamless until he gets his Havoc form, everything is done primarily by Jiyan. So, I'm gonna leave it to you to show us where exactly this "narrative inconsistency" you mentioned is

 

[FormidableLoris348]

While you might think this is sound, that's not at all how black hole feats work. As you stated yes, blackhole cutting/destruction feats are by default a form of spatial manipulation, that does not in the slightest mean cutting through a blackhole = no AP. By that logic characters who can destroy the universe by punching it don't have universal AP, but just space-time hax with universal range.

Also, Dreamless never once showcased the ability to outright cut through space, the same way you're attempting to use in game visuals that don't directly correlate to lore with the moon to sigillum is the same way you're attempting to do this with Dreamless. There is nothing suggesting either of these things are directly linked to what occurs in the story. Using that to argue sigillum's moon is a real one isn't going to work

There is no rule that automatically prohibits gameplay feats or background visual elements. VS Battles itself treats game mechanics with caution, but not as something invalid by default: they are game mechanics and not necessarily a negation of the character's abilities. This is already reflected in the wiki itself, which uses abilities from gameplay in profiles such as Qiuyuan (Platform Creation), Phainon (Limited Size Manipulation, Damage Reduction, Statistics Amplification, Damage Boost and Purification) and Skirk (Weapon Mastery, Void Manipulation & Absorption).

So it doesn't make sense to treat Dreamless differently just because the space cut appears via gameplay as Echo. If the wiki already accepts gameplay to define other characters' abilities, then the same criterion applies here. Saying that this "doesn't count" is a huge selectivity.

The same goes for Sigillum's moon. Part of the problem with it is that it wasn't possible to know for sure if the size was actually that of a real moon, but I addressed this using the fact that the game itself treats it as a real moon to the point of placing it in a space-themed event. If the game considered it just something the size of a mountain, it wouldn't make sense to insert it into a space event, even more so considering that all that was done with it there was to change the color of the light beam and tilt it slightly.

I've already shown that the game reuses the same moon structure in a space-themed scenario, alongside planets and meteorites, only changing the color and orientation to match the scene. Ignoring this and pretending it's "game visuals" isn't a strong argument—it's just a way of disregarding the very evidence the game is showing.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

There is no rule that automatically prohibits gameplay feats or background visual elements. VS Battles itself treats game mechanics with caution, but not as something invalid by default: they are game mechanics and not necessarily a negation of the character's abilities. This is already reflected in the wiki itself, which uses abilities from gameplay in profiles such as Qiuyuan (Platform Creation), Phainon (Limited Size Manipulation, Damage Reduction, Statistics Amplification, Damage Boost and Purification) and Skirk (Weapon Mastery, Void Manipulation & Absorption).

So it doesn't make sense to treat Dreamless differently just because the space cut appears via gameplay as Echo. If the wiki already accepts gameplay to define other characters' abilities, then the same criterion applies here. Saying that this "doesn't count" is a huge selectivity.

The same goes for Sigillum's moon. Part of the problem with it is that it wasn't possible to know for sure if the size was actually that of a real moon, but I addressed this using the fact that the game itself treats it as a real moon to the point of placing it in a space-themed event. If the game considered it just something the size of a mountain, it wouldn't make sense to insert it into a space event, even more so considering that all that was done with it there was to change the color of the light beam and tilt it slightly.

I've already shown that the game reuses the same moon structure in a space-themed scenario, alongside planets and meteorites, only changing the color and orientation to match the scene. Ignoring this and pretending it's "game visuals" isn't a strong argument—it's just a way of disregarding the very evidence the game is showing.

You don't understand the point, even if rover use a spatial attack there, rover still has to fight the black hole's gravity to swing his sword, Where if I'm not mistaken, the scaling is 30 yottatons, so the rover must also expend the same energy, which is no other than 30 yottatons. (Like Newton's third law)

Stop making the argument that the moon sigillum = real, because even if it appears in a space event, it doesn't mean it's a real space object.

 

[FormidableLoris348]

You don't understand the point, even if rover use a spatial attack there, rover still has to fight the black hole's gravity to swing his sword, Where if I'm not mistaken, the scaling is 30 yottatons, so the rover must also expend the same energy, which is no other than 30 yottatons. (Like Newton's third law)

Stop making the argument that the moon sigillum = real, because even if it appears in a space event, it doesn't mean it's a real space object.

don’t care much about the black hole feat. As I said, that was just my opinion, and I’m not really invested in it. However, there’s no reason for me to drop the moon issue. Do you have any proof that it isn’t a real moon? Being inside the Exostrider doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Sigillum could still destroy it either way.

Saying it’s just a moon-like construct doesn’t work either. It has craters, just like our own Moon. If it were only a moon-like creation, there would be no reason to give it lunar craters. And if it weren’t the size of a real moon, they wouldn’t have placed it in a space-themed event alongside a blue Saturn-like reference.

If the game didn’t consider the moon destroyed by Sigillum to be a real moon, then it wouldn’t have added it to that event in the first place, especially not alongside a clear reference to a real planet. The same thing was done with the moon itself: its color was changed to match the different background scenery, and that happened more than once.

My entire argument is based on the fact that the game treats the moon destroyed by Sigillum as a real moon. It is presented in the event as if it were real, to the point of being reused in a space-themed setting together with a moon and a clear Saturn reference. If the game treats it that way, then there’s no real reason to argue that it is not a real moon.

Furthermore, the fact that its exact size isn’t clearly visible in the Sigillum cutscene does not help that counterargument, especially since it is still portrayed as a broken moon, and the game heavily emphasizes its destruction to showcase Sigillum’s power during the second boss phase.

What arguments do you have for ignoring this, other than saying that my reasoning is based on an event and on the game’s intent?

 

[Bsk_lyree]

don’t care much about the black hole feat. As I said, that was just my opinion, and I’m not really invested in it. However, there’s no reason for me to drop the moon issue. Do you have any proof that it isn’t a real moon? Being inside the Exostrider doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Sigillum could still destroy it either way.

Saying it’s just a moon-like construct doesn’t work either. It has craters, just like our own Moon. If it were only a moon-like creation, there would be no reason to give it lunar craters. And if it weren’t the size of a real moon, they wouldn’t have placed it in a space-themed event alongside a blue Saturn-like reference.

If the game didn’t consider the moon destroyed by Sigillum to be a real moon, then it wouldn’t have added it to that event in the first place, especially not alongside a clear reference to a real planet. The same thing was done with the moon itself: its color was changed to match the different background scenery, and that happened more than once.

My entire argument is based on the fact that the game treats the moon destroyed by Sigillum as a real moon. It is presented in the event as if it were real, to the point of being reused in a space-themed setting together with a moon and a clear Saturn reference. If the game treats it that way, then there’s no real reason to argue that it is not a real moon.

Furthermore, the fact that its exact size isn’t clearly visible in the Sigillum cutscene does not help that counterargument, especially since it is still portrayed as a broken moon, and the game heavily emphasizes its destruction to showcase Sigillum’s power during the second boss phase.

What arguments do you have for ignoring this, other than saying that my reasoning is based on an event and on the game’s intent?

Well if it's the moon, what are we going to do?

game heavily emphasizes its destruction to showcase Sigillum’s power during the second boss phase.

Nah nah, That sigillum takes heat from there (moon) instead of the core which is taken by aemeath

 

[FormidableLoris348]

Well if it's the moon, what are we going to do?

Nah nah, That sigillum takes heat from there (moon) instead of the core which is taken by aemeath

Let's add that to Rover's list of achievements; he's comparable to Sigillum, and scaling other characters comparable to Rover for that achievement shouldn't be a problem, considering the black hole feat is bigger and was accomplished by a weaker version of Rover. Also, where did the idea that Sigillum absorbs heat come from?

 

[IStar0thh]

This just literally proves my point that you don't pay proper attention to the story...Havoc Rover absorbed Dreamless's frequency to gain access to the Havoc form, obviously Dreamless scales to him idk why you say this as if she doesn't, this leads into my next point

 Son

Yeah this is fair, but at the end of the day this is because we don't have any higher calcs on the wiki. Just because we list the characters as 7B currently (because it's literally the only feat we have calced) does not mean the characters are actually city level, the same exact way the characters weren't actually MHS but Sub rela as soon as the calc was accepted. Point is, we simply lack calcs to definitively put them on any higher tier for the time being, which makes it look so jarring as a result.

So you’re saying we don’t have calculations to support Spectro Rover being 5-A—meaning there’s no concrete proof—yet you’re still asserting it based on a feeling? Awesome!

The hell are you talking about? We quite literally know he fought Leviathan and that they were relative because it's literally shown in the Lupa scene when she's leaving the Sonoro.

You’re comparing them solely based on the fact that they fought, without any additional context. But the fight happened offscreen, so there’s no way for us to determine how the Leviathan actually fared against Rover.

They have been addressed, not even surprising you missed it atp. I already explained that the heavy hitters of the Rinascita cast can contend with people who are at least equal to Havoc Rover.

And what does this have to do with Qiuyuan? If Scar had actually fought someone from Rinascita, then you might have a point—but that never happened. There are literally zero mentions of it.
As I said before, Scar was defeated by the Spectro Rover from version 1.0, so Qiuyuan should scale to that level—not to the Rinascita cast.
Even if we did use the Rinascita cast as a baseline, that still wouldn’t necessarily place him at 5-A, considering characters like Roccia, Brant, and Ciaconna aren’t rated at that level.

You are are absolutely complaining for the sake of it, as despite claiming you're not, you have yet to offer a proper alternative in this entire response. If your point wasn't to complain, then you'd have done that but you clearly didn't. I already stated it doesn't matter whether you guys want to downgrade, but obviously you need to offer a legitimate reason for doing so. Which you have, on every single account, failed to do thus far. You're free to (and encouraged) to start doing that now.

It feels like you’re more focused on being right than actually providing enough evidence, lol. And you tend to get defensive when questioned—people are going to have different opinions, that’s just how it is.

Also I just went back to rewatch the footage for you, as well as get the link. But if you legitimately watch the fight, Rover doesn't actually do anything in the entire fight other than presumably dodge Dreamless's attacks (not going to bother explaining why we're not using the gameplay as it is not indicative of the story in this instance) but if you watch every cutscene Rover literally does nothing, it's also funny how Dreamless goes out of it's way to copy Jiyan's weapon yet never bothers copying Rover's, almost as if Jiyan is the bigger threat there, not to mention Rover is heavily implied narratively to have taken serious damage if he had been hit by Dreamless's attack, as notice how genuinely worried his face is (which Jiyan blocks) and only then does he absorb it's frequency to then unlock the Havoc form. Legit not a single time in any of the cutscenes before that, is he shown clashing, landing attacks, or anything of the sort with Dreamless until he gets his Havoc form, everything is done primarily by Jiyan. So, I'm gonna leave it to you to show us where exactly this "narrative inconsistency" you mentioned is

Bro, I can’t believe you actually want to debate this. The fight was clearly between Rover and Jiyan—and yes, gameplay matters here.
First, Dreamless not copying Rover’s weapon doesn’t say anything about scaling. Second, the Rover literally breaks through Dreamless’s barrier using Spectro.
And dismissing the gameplay entirely is just dishonest, especially when the game forces you to use Rover and Jiyan together. The most natural interpretation is that both were actively contributing to the fight.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

where did the idea that Sigillum absorbs heat come from?

Just look at the surrounding area that is heating up, there's no way the developer just wanted to show off the character's flexing power in the middle of battle.

Let's add that to Rover's list of achievements; he's comparable to Sigillum, and scaling other characters comparable to Rover for that achievement shouldn't be a problem, considering the black hole feat is bigger and was accomplished by a weaker version of Rover. Also, where did the idea that Sigillum absorbs heat come from?

You mean scale to lower characters? Well I guess in that case it's fine tbh

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

So you’re saying we don’t have calculations to support Spectro Rover being 5-A—meaning there’s no concrete proof—yet you’re still asserting it based on a feeling? Awesome!

You have serious issues with comprehending what people are saying, base Rover is not 5A.

You’re comparing them solely based on the fact that they fought, without any additional context. But the fight happened offscreen, so there’s no way for us to determine how the Leviathan actually fared against Rover.

They fought, we clearly see them clash, Rover clearly does not beat them after the cutscene ends. It's simple logic.

If Scar had actually fought someone from Rinascita, then you might have a point—but that never happened. There are literally zero mentions of it.

Holy shit, we do NOT read the story. Scar fought Qiuyuan, Scar fought Rover. HE ON SCREEN FIGHTS HAVOC ROVER, yet here you come "Scar never fought fought someone from Rinascita" I can't help but actually laugh at this.

It feels like you’re more focused on being right than actually providing enough evidence, lol. And you tend to get defensive when questioned—people are going to have different opinions, that’s just how it is.

Yeah, and it's obvious you don't play the story, cannot provide proof and just want to go back and forth. I asked you to make your preferred scaling chain wonder why haven't you done that? Almost as if you lack proof, send proof for your claims, this is the last time I'm going to entertain discussing this because you consistently have been avoiding doing that.

Bro, I can’t believe you actually want to debate this. The fight was clearly between Rover and Jiyan—and yes, gameplay matters here.
First, Dreamless not copying Rover’s weapon doesn’t say anything about scaling. Second, the Rover literally breaks through Dreamless’s barrier using Spectro.
And dismissing the gameplay entirely is just dishonest, especially when the game forces you to use Rover and Jiyan together. The most natural interpretation is that both were actively contributing to the fight.

Ok, then finding me evidence from the story to support this should be simple right? Go ahead, find me a scene of base Rover damaging, clashing, or tanking heavy attacks from Dreamless, I'll wait.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

There is no rule that automatically prohibits gameplay feats or background visual elements. VS Battles itself treats game mechanics with caution, but not as something invalid by default: they are game mechanics and not necessarily a negation of the character's abilities. This is already reflected in the wiki itself, which uses abilities from gameplay in profiles such as Qiuyuan (Platform Creation), Phainon (Limited Size Manipulation, Damage Reduction, Statistics Amplification, Damage Boost and Purification) and Skirk (Weapon Mastery, Void Manipulation & Absorption).

So it doesn't make sense to treat Dreamless differently just because the space cut appears via gameplay as Echo. If the wiki already accepts gameplay to define other characters' abilities, then the same criterion applies here. Saying that this "doesn't count" is a huge selectivity.

The same goes for Sigillum's moon. Part of the problem with it is that it wasn't possible to know for sure if the size was actually that of a real moon, but I addressed this using the fact that the game itself treats it as a real moon to the point of placing it in a space-themed event. If the game considered it just something the size of a mountain, it wouldn't make sense to insert it into a space event, even more so considering that all that was done with it there was to change the color of the light beam and tilt it slightly.

I've already shown that the game reuses the same moon structure in a space-themed scenario, alongside planets and meteorites, only changing the color and orientation to match the scene. Ignoring this and pretending it's "game visuals" isn't a strong argument—it's just a way of disregarding the very evidence the game is showing.

There is absolutely a rule that prohibits gameplay feats as it has a literal entire page. They're not useable when they are not consistent with the lore, she has never showcased the ability to cut through space. So we can't apply that, Sigillum is a slightly different case (he has more going for him) but even then, using these other game modes to prove his moon is unlikely to work. Other than that, Bsk_lyree has already commented and explained it

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

don’t care much about the black hole feat. As I said, that was just my opinion, and I’m not really invested in it. However, there’s no reason for me to drop the moon issue. Do you have any proof that it isn’t a real moon? Being inside the Exostrider doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Sigillum could still destroy it either way.

Saying it’s just a moon-like construct doesn’t work either. It has craters, just like our own Moon. If it were only a moon-like creation, there would be no reason to give it lunar craters. And if it weren’t the size of a real moon, they wouldn’t have placed it in a space-themed event alongside a blue Saturn-like reference.

If the game didn’t consider the moon destroyed by Sigillum to be a real moon, then it wouldn’t have added it to that event in the first place, especially not alongside a clear reference to a real planet. The same thing was done with the moon itself: its color was changed to match the different background scenery, and that happened more than once.

My entire argument is based on the fact that the game treats the moon destroyed by Sigillum as a real moon. It is presented in the event as if it were real, to the point of being reused in a space-themed setting together with a moon and a clear Saturn reference. If the game treats it that way, then there’s no real reason to argue that it is not a real moon.

Furthermore, the fact that its exact size isn’t clearly visible in the Sigillum cutscene does not help that counterargument, especially since it is still portrayed as a broken moon, and the game heavily emphasizes its destruction to showcase Sigillum’s power during the second boss phase.

What arguments do you have for ignoring this, other than saying that my reasoning is based on an event and on the game’s intent?

Our original problem with the moon feat was simply that the visual from the boss didn't support it being the size of a real moon. As when it was pixel scaled, it came out smaller. I mean listen man, like I've said before. What you're proposing isn't impossible, it's just that it's unlikely to be plausible enough for the wiki. Of course, don't let me stop you from trying, you can give it a shot if you want

 

[FormidableLoris348]

There is absolutely a rule that prohibits gameplay feats as it has a literal entire page. They're not useable when they are not consistent with the lore, she has never showcased the ability to cut through space. So we can't apply that, Sigillum is a slightly different case (he has more going for him) but even then, using these other game modes to prove his moon is unlikely to work. Other than that, Bsk_lyree has already commented and explained it

You really should read what I said. I stated that "there is no rule that automatically prohibits this" and that "VS Battles treat this with caution, but it's still allowed, not invalidated by default." I even gave examples of characters whose abilities weren't shown in the story but are still listed on the wiki.

Phainon is a great example—I listed some abilities that are based on gameplay, not something directly shown in the story. Some of the abilities listed for him due to gameplay include Pocket Reality Manipulation (Phainon can create the "Ruinous Irontomb" territory to isolate himself and his opponent) and Durability Negation (Spatial; he can open a space with Dawnmaker). These and other abilities I mentioned earlier are derived from what is shown in his gameplay.

So why shouldn't Fleurdelys have the ability to cut space if she demonstrates it in gameplay? Do you have any solid argument to justify why it wouldn't be valid to assign spatial cutting to her based on that?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

You really should read what I said. I stated that "there is no rule that automatically prohibits this" and that "VS Battles treat this with caution, but it's still allowed, not invalidated by default." I even gave examples of characters whose abilities weren't shown in the story but are still listed on the wiki.

I read what you said, I just mentioned that there is a literal rule for it. As you as a new member were probably unaware of the game mechanics page which I linked above.

Phainon is a great example—I listed some abilities that are based on gameplay, not something directly shown in the story. Some of the abilities listed for him due to gameplay include Pocket Reality Manipulation (Phainon can create the "Ruinous Irontomb" territory to isolate himself and his opponent) and Durability Negation (Spatial; he can open a space with Dawnmaker). These and other abilities I mentioned earlier are derived from what is shown in his gameplay.

Yes, and as I stated before. They're only not useable when they are not consistent with the lore. Phainon has these abilities because it is not solely reliant on his gameplay, he is verbatim stated in the story to have these abilities.

So why shouldn't Fleurdelys have the ability to cut space if she demonstrates it in gameplay? Do you have any solid argument to justify why it wouldn't be valid to assign spatial cutting to her based on that?

What are you talking about? Nobody is arguing Fleurdelys shouldn't have the ability to cut through space, even if she never showed it in gameplay hypothetically speaking we know she can cut through space because Imperator can and that's stated in the story. It doesn't require any gameplay whatsoever to prove. Nobody is arguing against this lmao.

 

[BoastJr]

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[CosmicSpider44]

Honestly atp I think you guys just really don't think before you say stuff, it is a very simple concept. First of all, Aero Rover is vastly superior to Havoc Rover, if I genuinely need to explain why then this is already a lost cause, just go replay or rewatch 2.2 when actually paying proper attention this time. Secondly, ignoring that Rover was specifically using his Aero powers against Mya (who's comparable to the Leviathan Lupa fought) there is another very blatant and obvious fact and that is Augusta, who blatantly forced Rover to utilize his Havoc powers in order to contend with her. The two are then seen performing equally against False Sovereign, Augusta is then shown performing similarly to everyone in the 2.7 finale, so unless you're just gonna sit here and tell me Leviathan is weaker than Havoc Rover then you're just talking for the sake of talking. If you genuinely believe that is the case, then I'll downgrade everyone back to 7B

Not really that much time passed between 1.0 and 1.3

Rover didn't get any noticeable powerups during that time.

But yea, there's no indication of jiyan being equal to havoc rover.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Not really that much time passed between 1.0 and 1.3

Rover didn't get any noticeable powerups during that time.

Correct.

But yea, there's no indication of jiyan being equal to havoc rover.

Jiyan would have to be equal to havoc Rover because he fought equally against Dreamless who Rover obtained his havoc powers from, blocking attacks that would have seriously damaged (if not possibly killed base Rover) and as you said above, Rover didn't get any noticeable powerups between 1.0 and 1.3, which only further proves why Jiyan would scale

 

[CosmicSpider44]

Correct.

Jiyan would have to be equal to havoc Rover because he fought equally against Dreamless who Rover obtained his havoc powers from, blocking attacks that would have seriously damaged (if not possibly killed base Rover) and as you said above, Rover didn't get any noticeable powerups between 1.0 and 1.3, which only further proves why Jiyan would scale

Alright then

 

[IStar0thh]

You have serious issues with comprehending what people are saying, base Rover is not 5A.

And you either have serious problems with basic story interpretation, or you're just pretending. Dude, Base Rover FOUGHT against Dreamless and blew up it's barrier in a cutscene. The GAME FORCES you to use Rover and Jiyan in the fight, and for some reason you decide to PRETEND that the Rover was a random being carried by Jiyan. You can't be serious lmao.

They fought, we clearly see them clash, Rover clearly does not beat them after the cutscene ends. It's simple logic.

Ok

Holy shit, we do NOT read the story. Scar fought Qiuyuan, Scar fought Rover. HE ON SCREEN FIGHTS HAVOC ROVER, yet here you come "Scar never fought fought someone from Rinascita" I can't help but actually laugh at this.

Oh, so you’re referring to a Rover who was practically dying? And a fight that took place mentally?
Did you even pay attention to the dialogue? “We carry the memories of the Dark Tide. We control both light and darkness. Do you really think you can defeat us alone?”
It’s pretty clear that the fight was being influenced by the Dark Tide itself, yet you’re trying to use that to scale Scar? Lmao

Yeah, and it's obvious you don't play the story, cannot provide proof and just want to go back and forth. I asked you to make your preferred scaling chain wonder why haven't you done that? Almost as if you lack proof, send proof for your claims, this is the last time I'm going to entertain discussing this because you consistently have been avoiding doing that.

What do you mean I need to send proof? Bro, I think you didn't understand that the profiles have statements literally without scans and things that were never mentioned. Anyway, it’s fine if you don’t agree. I can learn how to use the site and make a downgrade CRT myself. My proposal is simply to remove the 5-A scaling from Scar, Qiuyuan, and Jiyan for now.

Ok, then finding me evidence from the story to support this should be simple right? Go ahead, find me a scene of base Rover damaging, clashing, or tanking heavy attacks from Dreamless, I'll wait.

Just watch the fight—you’ll see both of them actively fighting Dreamless. It’s pretty straightforward
Because it requires a massive leap in logic to assume that Dreamless and Jiyan were 5-A while Rover was still 7-B at that point.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

And you either have serious problems with basic story interpretation, or you're just pretending. Dude, Base Rover FOUGHT against Dreamless and blew up it's barrier in a cutscene. The GAME FORCES you to use Rover and Jiyan in the fight, and for some reason you decide to PRETEND that the Rover was a random being carried by Jiyan. You can't be serious lmao.

Ok

Oh, so you’re referring to a Rover who was practically dying? And a fight that took place mentally?
Did you even pay attention to the dialogue? “We carry the memories of the Dark Tide. We control both light and darkness. Do you really think you can defeat us alone?”
It’s pretty clear that the fight was being influenced by the Dark Tide itself, yet you’re trying to use that to scale Scar? Lmao

What do you mean I need to send proof? Bro, I think you didn't understand that the profiles have statements literally without scans and things that were never mentioned. Anyway, it’s fine if you don’t agree. I can learn how to use the site and make a downgrade CRT myself. My proposal is simply to remove the 5-A scaling from Scar, Qiuyuan, and Jiyan for now.

Just watch the fight—you’ll see both of them actively fighting Dreamless. It’s pretty straightforward
Because it requires a massive leap in logic to assume that Dreamless and Jiyan were 5-A while Rover was still 7-B at that point.

Ah yes, I must have problems with basic story interpretation when I've provided proof for what I've claimed, and even have other people agreeing with me. Hell why don't you become the verse's knowledgeable member instead of me? I'll gladly let you take that position so you can do all the work, you made all these claims and have yet to provide a single form of evidence to support any of your points. Anyways if you wanna remove the 5A rating from Scar, Qiuyuan and Jiyan go for it man, nobody is stopping you and from the start I have said that I'm open to literally making the CRT for you, so long as you provide a reason for it (which you haven't done), so that's that.

 

[IStar0thh]

Ah yes, I must have problems with basic story interpretation when I've provided proof for what I've claimed, and even have other people agreeing with me. Hell why don't you become the verse's knowledgeable member instead of me? I'll gladly let you take that position so you can do all the work, you made all these claims and have yet to provide a single form of evidence to support any of your points. Anyways if you wanna remove the 5A rating from Scar, Qiuyuan and Jiyan go for it man, nobody is stopping you and from the start I have said that I'm open to literally making the CRT for you, so long as you provide a reason for it (which you haven't done), so that's that.

At no point did I question your position as a knowledgeable member—and congratulations on the appeal to authority. That said, the tone you’re using comes across as unnecessarily dismissive.
I started this discussion respectfully, but responses like “you didn’t read the story” or “you’re just complaining” make it feel like only your perspective is being considered.
In the end, this isn’t up to either of us—the mods will decide. I brought this up because I wanted a genuine discussion on the topic. When I have the time, I’ll look into creating a proper CRT.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Oh, so you’re referring to a Rover who was practically dying? And a fight that took place mentally?
Did you even pay attention to the dialogue? “We carry the memories of the Dark Tide. We control both light and darkness. Do you really think you can defeat us alone?”
It’s pretty clear that the fight was being influenced by the Dark Tide itself, yet you’re trying to use that to scale Scar? Lmao

For the record, here is how everything plays out. Scar, Phrolova and everyone are engulfed by the Dark Tide, Cristoforo blatantly says his frequency (the most fundamental aspect of their existence) merged with the Dark Tide and that he depicted him back into existence. The other characters who were swallowed by the Dark Tide literally show up in the fight, and as a result physically appear in the Journeying Paradise. Yet you claim it's purely an illusion? Ah yes, it must be Rover's eyes playing tricks on him these characters don't actually exist! Scar is actually 7B guys!!! Which is why Augusta (a 5A character) was going to jump him with about 8 other people, because clearly that makes sense, and she couldn't just use her own power to defeat him by herself. Wow, how perfectly consistent and narratively coherent that is.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

At no point did I question your position as a knowledgeable member—and congratulations on the appeal to authority. That said, the tone you’re using comes across as unnecessarily dismissive.

• Says I have serious problems with basic story interpretation, or am just pretending.
• Also claims to not question my position as a knowledgeable member.

You can't make this up, lmfao. Like I said, and I wasn't being sarcastic for the record. You state that, so become the verse's knowledgeable member yourself. I will gladly and willingly allow you to do so. It is not a position of power, or authority it is a simple label that anyone from any verse can get whenever they so choose, I have zero problems with you doing that if you think you're up for it.

I started this discussion respectfully, but responses like “you didn’t read the story” or “you’re just complaining” make it feel like only your perspective is being considered.

Yeah and after discussing this with you I standby what I said, I wasn't being disrespectful, I blatantly called out a fact that you have only reinforced through this discussion. Drop that CRT whenever you get the chance, the verse isn't going anywhere man tyt.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

 

[EmilioRory10]

Just watch the fight—you’ll see both of them actively fighting Dreamless. It’s pretty straightforward
Because it requires a massive leap in logic to assume that Dreamless and Jiyan were 5-A while Rover was still 7-B at that point.

And why would spectro Rover even be 7-B? Isn't that tier via chainscaling to Jiyan? The argument feels very circular to me, basically saying Jiyan is 7-B via scaling to Spectro Rover who is 7-B
The fact that Rover absorbs Dreamless's frequencies during the fight and is still fighting on a similar level to Jiyan means either
1. Spectro Rover already scaled not far below Havoc Rover (5-A)
2. Havoc Rover got 582 quadrillion times stronger in the short time between grand warstorm and to the shore's end
3. Spectro Rover doesn't scale to Jiyan. In this case, they'd probably get an unknown rating as 7-B comes via scaling to the tacet discord one-shot by Jiyan, which doesn't make sense as the chasm guardian has no reason to scale to Jiyan's city level attack

The other argument you could probably make is that the absorption of Dreamless's power when it overflowed and exploded could have boosted Rover to a greater degree than the initial absorption, but 1 seems the most likely to me when you consider other scaling.

I also want to give my take on Scar and Qiuyuan:

Fractsidus overseers may be quite sure of themselves, but they're also incredibly strategic, they wouldn't send one of theirs to fight or even distract a group of people quadrillions of times stronger than him, Scar is not fodder who happens to be tanky (if at all) and he's a genuine threat even on his own. Scar's presence was also described by Iuno (who is being scaled to "at most 5-A") as an intense frequency and he was enough to alert them, Qiuyuan has his own reasons to scale, having been believed to be connected to the sentinel or threnodian implies a level at least similar to a sentinel resonator's, and that's despite him holding back his forte.

That was probably not the most solid evidence, but he also effortlessly blocked attacks from Cantarella, who was distraught from Cartethyia's death and likely on-guard at the moment, would make no sense for her to be holding back. Cantarella is currently listed as 5-A, and Galbrena considered Cantarella a powerful resonator, at least enough to be potentially threatening.

While I was initially against it, I think most characters do have valid reasoning for their chainscaling to Rover's 5-A feat, although they could be worded better (having the entire scaling chain in the paragraph looks ugly and awkward, but that will probably be fixed when there's more profiles)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

And why would spectro Rover even be 7-B? Isn't that tier via chainscaling to Jiyan? The argument feels very circular to me, basically saying Jiyan is 7-B via scaling to Spectro Rover who is 7-B
The fact that Rover absorbs Dreamless's frequencies during the fight and is still fighting on a similar level to Jiyan means either
1. Spectro Rover already scaled not far below Havoc Rover (5-A)
2. Havoc Rover got 582 quadrillion times stronger in the short time between grand warstorm and to the shore's end
3. Spectro Rover doesn't scale to Jiyan. In this case, they'd probably get an unknown rating as 7-B comes via scaling to the tacet discord one-shot by Jiyan, which doesn't make sense as the chasm guardian has no reason to scale to Jiyan's city level attack

The other argument you could probably make is that the absorption of Dreamless's power when it overflowed and exploded could have boosted Rover to a greater degree than the initial absorption, but 1 seems the most likely to me when you consider other scaling.

I also want to give my take on Scar and Qiuyuan:

Fractsidus overseers may be quite sure of themselves, but they're also incredibly strategic, they wouldn't send one of theirs to fight or even distract a group of people quadrillions of times stronger than him, Scar is not fodder who happens to be tanky (if at all) and he's a genuine threat even on his own. Scar's presence was also described by Iuno (who is being scaled to "at most 5-A") as an intense frequency and he was enough to alert them, Qiuyuan has his own reasons to scale, having been believed to be connected to the sentinel or threnodian implies a level at least similar to a sentinel resonator's, and that's despite him holding back his forte.

That was probably not the most solid evidence, but he also effortlessly blocked attacks from Cantarella, who was distraught from Cartethyia's death and likely on-guard at the moment, would make no sense for her to be holding back. Cantarella is currently listed as 5-A, and Galbrena considered Cantarella a powerful resonator, at least enough to be potentially threatening.

While I was initially against it, I think most characters do have valid reasoning for their chainscaling to Rover's 5-A feat, although they could be worded better (having the entire scaling chain in the paragraph looks ugly and awkward, but that will probably be fixed when there's more profiles)

Pretty much this, I've already said it but in case I need to be clearer Rover (and by extension other characters) shouldn't really be 7B they should be higher, however because of how the wiki works it's impossible for us to get their rating any higher right now until we get a calc that supports this. Without a calc, no matter how logical it is to say that havoc is not an amp of 7B -> 5A, we simply can't prove otherwise. This naturally makes the scaling look a lot more janky than what it should realistically look like, as for the justification for the scaling, it was poorly made because I was extremely busy with another verse at the time (I still am which is why I haven't bothered to change anything) if you guys have any suggestions to make the wording better, send it here and I can change it when I get the chance.

And for the Scar thing, I'd like to add, we literally know he wasn't going all out against Rover in 1.0 because

1. He specifically said his and the Fract goal was not to kill him
2. We know sustaining realms does physically weaken characters (look at Phrolova with the Beyond) and both times Rover fought Scar was in his Sonoro as someone was literally hitting and destroying it from the outside (first time was with Yangyang, 2nd time was with Jinhsi and Sanhua)

 

[EmilioRory10]

Pretty much this, I've already said it but in case I need to be clearer Rover (and by extension other characters) shouldn't really be 7B they should be higher, however because of how the wiki works it's impossible for us to get their rating any higher right now until we get a calc that supports this. Without a calc, no matter how logical it is to say that havoc is not an amp of 7B -> 5A, we simply can't prove otherwise.

Yeah I think that's fine, I actually more so think Spectro Rover should either get an unknown rating (based on your arguments of the Dreamless fight) or scale to the full rating of Jiyan, 7-B would just be unsubstantiated if Jiyan's full power scales much higher because nothing would prove Rover would scale to that feat of Jiyan, unless they scaled to Jiyan's full power in which case the feat becomes irrelevant (same with other characters, like Pero's scaling chain would imply 5-A to me)

as for the justification for the scaling, it was poorly made because I was extremely busy with another verse at the time (I still am which is why I haven't bothered to change anything) if you guys have any suggestions to make the wording better, send it here and I can change it when I get the chance.

That's honestly fair, I might try to think of something this weekend or in the coming weeks, I should have a week break from uni starting this monday so that might be a good time for it

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yeah I think that's fine, I actually more so think Spectro Rover should either get an unknown rating (based on your arguments of the Dreamless fight) or scale to the full rating of Jiyan, 7-B would just be unsubstantiated if Jiyan's full power scales much higher because nothing would prove Rover would scale to that feat of Jiyan, unless they scaled to Jiyan's full power in which case the feat becomes irrelevant (same with other characters, like Pero's scaling chain would imply 5-A to me)

The 7B Jiyan feat is done very casually, that is the core consistency in scaling people to his feat. I've given it some thought, however it's important to lay out what making base Rover 5A would mean, so you guys are acutely aware. Yinlin who can incapacitate him would scale to 5A, as well as Xiangli Yao and Camellya, this doesn't include countless other future characters who are then shown to be consistently relevant to him, if you guys think it's not too problematic to have them scale, then it's possible to change that. I'm still on the fence regarding this because whether havoc is a 582 quadrillion times amp or not, we do know it's massive since base Rover just verbatim could not resist the Necrostar or destroy it in base, yet he could in havoc without too much trouble.

That's honestly fair, I might try to think of something this weekend or in the coming weeks, I should have a week break from uni starting this monday so that might be a good time for it

Sure thing tyt, just reply to one of my comments here so you can psuedo ping me for it.

 

[EmilioRory10]

The 7B Jiyan feat is done very casually, that is the core consistency in scaling people to his feat.

I'm not sure how this wiki tends to treat that kind of scaling but that does make sense.

I've given it some thought, however it's important to lay out what making base Rover 5A would mean, so you guys are acutely aware. Yinlin who can incapacitate him would scale to 5A, as well as Xiangli Yao and Camellya, this doesn't include countless other future characters who are then shown to be consistently relevant to him, if you guys think it's not too problematic to have them scale. Then it's possible to change that

that's also fair, honestly, out of that list the only character that (imo) makes sense scaling there is Camellya but that's just an early guess, still I wouldn't be surprised if those characters do get more fair 5-A scaling of their own in the future assuming we go back to Huanglong (since we're still not done with Jinzhou, Ovathrax remains a looming threat). Might be better to just give them time and if they do prove themselves we can upscale BoS Rover

I'm still on the fence regarding this because whether havoc is a 582 quadrillion times amp or not, we do know it's massive since base Rover just verbatim could not resist the Necrostar or destroy it in base, yet he could in havoc without too much trouble.

do you mean the cutscene where Shoreeper saves Rover? If so that's also true


Did the Lampylumen Myriad stuff not get anywhere? Because IIRC Rover did solo clear that thing in a 1.0 side quest which may or may not be considered canon and it could work as a baseline scale for most characters, but I think I kinda spaced out when that was being discussed

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I'm not sure how this wiki tends to treat that kind of scaling but that does make sense.

Yeah, I mean the wiki is pretty straightforward when scaling characters, an example is character A scales to (let's say 5A hypothetically) character B damages character A, thus character B is 5A. If character B can tank the force of their own strikes (or accomplishes the feat through pure physicals rather than an energy system) it scales to the rest of their stats, now if the feat by B was done with extreme diff naturally you can't say character C who was only shown lightly tangling with them scales as well. However, if B did this casually, then C in this case would naturally scale. It's kind of like that.

that's also fair, honestly, out of that list the only character that (imo) makes sense scaling there is Camellya but that's just an early guess, still I wouldn't be surprised if those characters do get more fair 5-A scaling of their own in the future assuming we go back to Huanglong (since we're still not done with Jinzhou, Ovathrax remains a looming threat). Might be better to just give them time and if they do prove themselves we can upscale BoS Rover

I agree Camellya would possibly scale to 5A, I have no issues with that, and yes like you mentioned this is a live service game. Naturally if we get more feats, go back to Huanglong, etc the old ratings can change at anytime.

do you mean the cutscene where Shoreeper saves Rover? If so that's also true

Yep.

Did the Lampylumen Myriad stuff not get anywhere? Because IIRC Rover did solo clear that thing in a 1.0 side quest which may or may not be considered canon and it could work as a baseline scale for most characters, but I think I kinda spaced out when that was being discussed

Hm? What Lampylumen stuff? I don't think I'm aware of that, does it have a high end feat or something you're aware of? If so, def lmk we can get it looked at and calced. We're in desperate need of calcs anyways lol.

 

[EmilioRory10]

Hm? What Lampylumen stuff? I don't think I'm aware of that, does it have a high end feat or something you're aware of? If so, def lmk we can get it looked at and calced. We're in desperate need of calcs anyways lol.

In december a user discussed tectonic shifts that may have been caused by the lampylumen myriad, it kinda got nowhere (you can revisit that part of the thread, it was near the start of page 21, I'll send images of the comments anyway)

Spoiler: the comments

I have an alt in the european server and I might end up doing the exploration quest eventually, I may even try to record all side and exploration quests to easily keep track of dialogues since there's no reason they wouldn't be canon or applicable, at least to some degree

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

In december a user discussed tectonic shifts that may have been caused by the lampylumen myriad, it kinda got nowhere (you can revisit that part of the thread, it was near the start of page 21, I'll send images of the comments anyway)

Spoiler: the comments

I have an alt in the european server and I might end up doing the exploration quest eventually, I may even try to record all side and exploration quests to easily keep track of dialogues since there's no reason they wouldn't be canon or applicable, at least to some degree

I see...I missed this, I'll give these a look later. Yeah, side quests are all cannon and so long as they are consistent (and not just a light hearted event that's not meant to be taken seriously) anything from them can naturally be used.

 

[GDS2]

I see...I missed this, I'll give these a look later. Yeah, side quests are all cannon and so long as they are consistent (and not just a light hearted event that's not meant to be taken seriously) anything from them can naturally be used.

I dont think the Tiger's Maw feat can get anywhere near or above 5-A though. Plus we dont know if Lampylumen is the on who caused it, all evidence we have is that the deposit contain Lampylumen ore which only Lampylumen Myriad Tacet Discord can make.

We just dont have the timeframe for it and the reason I said we use Port of Guixiu Lament duration as the timeframe because that was the only lament or at least a big waveworn phenomena that we know of that occurs in Jinzhou that is not in Desorock Highland. In any case, if anyone is interested in determining the Port of Guixiu Lament duration, you can read in The Unfading Recording 1 and 2.

Regardless of how that pans out, I think 1.0 Rover should have resistance against delirium, hallucinations, and hypothermia as Pre-Havoc 1.0 Spectro Rover beat Lampylymen solo without much drama as per following.

"

Survey Report on the Lampylumen Veins II​

Unlocked by reaching 100% exploration.
Report on Hypothermia Incident

The newly surveyed mine, designated T36E8, has developed a freezing fog accompanied by an unusual buzzing sound that spreads with the mist. Until the source of the fog is identified, all survey operations in mine T36E8 have been suspended.

Following the appearance of the freezing fog, mining machinery has been unable to reach operating temperatures or issue safety warnings. Multiple health monitors on-site have reported hypothermia warnings among workers. The Midnight Rangers have entered the mine to conduct an emergency rescue.

Wounded miners have been transferred to the Medical Division of Huaxu Academy. In response, the Ministry of Development has deployed the Defense Division to secure and lock down the T36E8 site.

Symptoms among the affected miners include delirium, hallucinations, and hypothermia. These conditions, along with abnormal vital signs, have not responded to standard medical treatments. The preliminary assessment points to a potential assault incident involving TDs."- Tiger's Maw wiki page


Also 1.0 Post-Dreamless and 2.5 Rover should have Activated Chronosign and Phrolova's Flower both of which can stop or slow down time in his/her equipment page.

Also also, I just replayed Wuwa and currently at the end of 1.0 story. When I reach 2.7, I will post the NPC dialogue that mention how Threnodian Leviathan gem nearly overwhelmed Tethys. Although, now I am vaguely recall how it overwhemled Tethys by the sheer data it contain and not in a overpowering it in terms of power.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I dont think the Tiger's Maw feat can get anywhere near or above 5-A though. Plus we dont know if Lampylumen is the on who caused it, all evidence we have is that the deposit contain Lampylumen ore which only Lampylumen Myriad Tacet Discord can make.

Well it's fine, it's not like I was expecting it to get anywhere near that.

We just dont have the timeframe for it and the reason I said we use Port of Guixiu Lament duration as the timeframe because that was the only lament or at least a big waveworn phenomena that we know of that occurs in Jinzhou that is not in Desorock Highland. In any case, if anyone is interested in determining the Port of Guixiu Lament duration, you can read in The Unfading Recording 1 and 2.

Def, thanks for this.

Regardless of how that pans out, I think 1.0 Rover should have resistance against delirium, hallucinations, and hypothermia as Pre-Havoc 1.0 Spectro Rover beat Lampylymen solo without much drama as per following.

"

Survey Report on the Lampylumen Veins II​

Unlocked by reaching 100% exploration.
Report on Hypothermia Incident

The newly surveyed mine, designated T36E8, has developed a freezing fog accompanied by an unusual buzzing sound that spreads with the mist. Until the source of the fog is identified, all survey operations in mine T36E8 have been suspended.

Following the appearance of the freezing fog, mining machinery has been unable to reach operating temperatures or issue safety warnings. Multiple health monitors on-site have reported hypothermia warnings among workers. The Midnight Rangers have entered the mine to conduct an emergency rescue.

Wounded miners have been transferred to the Medical Division of Huaxu Academy. In response, the Ministry of Development has deployed the Defense Division to secure and lock down the T36E8 site.

Symptoms among the affected miners include delirium, hallucinations, and hypothermia. These conditions, along with abnormal vital signs, have not responded to standard medical treatments. The preliminary assessment points to a potential assault incident involving TDs."- Tiger's Maw wiki page

This should work fine, next minor CRT it can be added.

Also 1.0 Post-Dreamless and 2.5 Rover should have Activated Chronosign and Phrolova's Flower both of which can stop or slow down time in his/her equipment page.

Once they have an equipment page it'll become optional equipment, along with the other stuff.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Now that I'm catching up to the story, might be possible to give some type of incorporeality to GA

 

[GDS2]

Now that I'm watching up to the story, might be possible to give some type of incorporeality to GA

Mind showing me the scan?

Also, I would like to make suggestion for toxic resistant/pain tolerance for Resonator as per 1.0 Exploration Quest "We Promise, we delivered"

"Tang Manliu: You really don't know? The Sea of Flames is a vast field of Incinero Petals whose pollen is extremely toxic.
Tang Manliu: Not to mention the horrible TDs! Few have made it out there alive, as far as I know."

"Tang Manliu: Though Resonators like you can withstand the toxin of Incinero Petal pollen longer, extended exposure will still lead to grave results."

"Tang Manliu: The toxicity of Incinero Petal comes mainly from its pollen. When it is inhaled, it generates a strong physical pain that feels like blazing.
Tang Manliu: The pollen doesn't diffuse very widely, though. It is often gathered on the ground surface.
Tang Manliu: Therefore, as long as you are careful enough not to tread on an Incinero Petal bush, the pollen's threat is significantly undermined."

So essentially, Resonator can resist toxin better then average human but would still negatively impacted after prolonged exposure or at higher doses. Either that, or the NPC was referring to Resonator higher pain tolerance compared to average human.