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Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

I don't know if you're aware of this, but I'll mention it anyway. In Aemeath's backstory, Aleph One is described as a being of a higher dimension, and it's mentioned that Aleph One's Eye transcends space and time.


What She Fears, What She Dreads
Required:
Unlocks at Intimacy Lv. 4
There was nothing but stillness.

Aemeath turned and saw it.

It resembled an eye, yet she knew it was not. A black hole? Maybe that was the closest human concept. But to the one who resonated with the Exostrider, it was a different order of existence: a "phenomenon" of ceaseless, overflowing occurrence. Whatever it engulfed simply ceased to be. The Spacetrek Collective named it Voidmatter. Let it be called that. Beings of a lower dimension needed a term for it, just as humans needed to call that "eye" Aleph-1.

This was not her first time meeting its so-called "gaze." Such encounters were unavoidable in her repeated journeys between Voidspace and the outside world. Over time, she had learned not to react.

Until not too long ago, its gaze had always affected her. A hollowness. A quiet wish for dissolution. A sense that nothing mattered set against a silent, unanswering universe. These were the aftereffects of staring into Aleph-1 that not even death had freed her from. But now, after exploring the ruins of one of the civilizations it had devoured, she looked into that impossibly vast eye that transcended space and time and heard only her own laughter, thin and verging on hysteria.

"So this is what she was searching for?"
The laugh that escaped her was brittle.
"This is… the truth?"

How absurd.

Every ideal and vision nurtured since childhood collapsed at once, emptied of all meaning. Aemeath was exhausted. Beneath the fatigue stirred a dull ache, followed closely by something colder.

"What about her?"
"Did she know?"

If she did, Aemeath could not imagine how she had kept moving forward while carrying this knowledge. And if she didn't... then this truth could never reach her. It had to be buried. Shattered. Erased completely. Cold concern settled in her heart, even as it burned with a pure, clarifying rage. For the first time, she understood hatred.

The illusion of the paper plane she had conjured crumpled in her fist. She let the scraps slip from her fingers and watched them drift away, dissolving into the endless void.
 
korea1234 said:
I don't know if you're aware of this, but I'll mention it anyway. In Aemeath's backstory, Aleph One is described as a being of a higher dimension, and it's mentioned that Aleph One's Eye transcends space and time.


What She Fears, What She Dreads
Required:
Unlocks at Intimacy Lv. 4
There was nothing but stillness.

Aemeath turned and saw it.

It resembled an eye, yet she knew it was not. A black hole? Maybe that was the closest human concept. But to the one who resonated with the Exostrider, it was a different order of existence: a "phenomenon" of ceaseless, overflowing occurrence. Whatever it engulfed simply ceased to be. The Spacetrek Collective named it Voidmatter. Let it be called that. Beings of a lower dimension needed a term for it, just as humans needed to call that "eye" Aleph-1.

This was not her first time meeting its so-called "gaze." Such encounters were unavoidable in her repeated journeys between Voidspace and the outside world. Over time, she had learned not to react.

Until not too long ago, its gaze had always affected her. A hollowness. A quiet wish for dissolution. A sense that nothing mattered set against a silent, unanswering universe. These were the aftereffects of staring into Aleph-1 that not even death had freed her from. But now, after exploring the ruins of one of the civilizations it had devoured, she looked into that impossibly vast eye that transcended space and time and heard only her own laughter, thin and verging on hysteria.

"So this is what she was searching for?"
The laugh that escaped her was brittle.
"This is… the truth?"

How absurd.

Every ideal and vision nurtured since childhood collapsed at once, emptied of all meaning. Aemeath was exhausted. Beneath the fatigue stirred a dull ache, followed closely by something colder.

"What about her?"
"Did she know?"

If she did, Aemeath could not imagine how she had kept moving forward while carrying this knowledge. And if she didn't... then this truth could never reach her. It had to be buried. Shattered. Erased completely. Cold concern settled in her heart, even as it burned with a pure, clarifying rage. For the first time, she understood hatred.

The illusion of the paper plane she had conjured crumpled in her fist. She let the scraps slip from her fingers and watched them drift away, dissolving into the endless void.
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Is this text valid?
 
I mean being beyond space and time on it's own is nothing special, if anything it just helps solidify a L1C rating for Aleph
 
korea1234 said:
I don't know if you're aware of this, but I'll mention it anyway. In Aemeath's backstory, Aleph One is described as a being of a higher dimension, and it's mentioned that Aleph One's Eye transcends space and time.


What She Fears, What She Dreads
Required:
Unlocks at Intimacy Lv. 4
There was nothing but stillness.

Aemeath turned and saw it.

It resembled an eye, yet she knew it was not. A black hole? Maybe that was the closest human concept. But to the one who resonated with the Exostrider, it was a different order of existence: a "phenomenon" of ceaseless, overflowing occurrence. Whatever it engulfed simply ceased to be. The Spacetrek Collective named it Voidmatter. Let it be called that. Beings of a lower dimension needed a term for it, just as humans needed to call that "eye" Aleph-1.

This was not her first time meeting its so-called "gaze." Such encounters were unavoidable in her repeated journeys between Voidspace and the outside world. Over time, she had learned not to react.

Until not too long ago, its gaze had always affected her. A hollowness. A quiet wish for dissolution. A sense that nothing mattered set against a silent, unanswering universe. These were the aftereffects of staring into Aleph-1 that not even death had freed her from. But now, after exploring the ruins of one of the civilizations it had devoured, she looked into that impossibly vast eye that transcended space and time and heard only her own laughter, thin and verging on hysteria.

"So this is what she was searching for?"
The laugh that escaped her was brittle.
"This is… the truth?"

How absurd.

Every ideal and vision nurtured since childhood collapsed at once, emptied of all meaning. Aemeath was exhausted. Beneath the fatigue stirred a dull ache, followed closely by something colder.

"What about her?"
"Did she know?"

If she did, Aemeath could not imagine how she had kept moving forward while carrying this knowledge. And if she didn't... then this truth could never reach her. It had to be buried. Shattered. Erased completely. Cold concern settled in her heart, even as it burned with a pure, clarifying rage. For the first time, she understood hatred.

The illusion of the paper plane she had conjured crumpled in her fist. She let the scraps slip from her fingers and watched them drift away, dissolving into the endless void.
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I think this can be used to get madness manipulation type 3, always active erasure existence, and hde 5D
 
I found additional evidence suggesting that the moon destroyed by Sigillum is intended to be a real moon, or at least treated as such by the game.

First, here are images from the in-game event:

As the images show, the destroyed moon appears in a space-themed event ("Rhythm Event"), where the environment clearly represents outer space. The moon shown is consistent with the moon destroyed by Sigillum, despite differences in color or positioning. Its shape, fragmentation pattern, and visual presentation are very similar.

Furthermore, the moon exhibits visible crater-like features, which are characteristic of natural moons, not artificial or abstract constructs. The following points confirm that the game treats it as a real moon:

- It is positioned in a cosmic environment, alongside a planet and visual elements of space.

- It maintains the appearance and structure of a natural satellite.

- It includes surface details (such as craters) typical of real moons.

In general, the visual and contextual evidence indicates that the game consistently treats this moon as a real moon, and not as a symbolic or stylistic element.

Conclusion: The evidence supports the idea that the moon destroyed by Sigillum represents a real moon, or at least a moon-sized object. This would make it moon-level, just like those who scale to rover and aemeath.
 
FormidableLoris348 said:
I found additional evidence suggesting that the moon destroyed by Sigillum is intended to be a real moon, or at least treated as such by the game.

First, here are images from the in-game event:

As the images show, the destroyed moon appears in a space-themed event ("Rhythm Event"), where the environment clearly represents outer space. The moon shown is consistent with the moon destroyed by Sigillum, despite differences in color or positioning. Its shape, fragmentation pattern, and visual presentation are very similar.

Furthermore, the moon exhibits visible crater-like features, which are characteristic of natural moons, not artificial or abstract constructs. The following points confirm that the game treats it as a real moon:

- It is positioned in a cosmic environment, alongside a planet and visual elements of space.

- It maintains the appearance and structure of a natural satellite.

- It includes surface details (such as craters) typical of real moons.

In general, the visual and contextual evidence indicates that the game consistently treats this moon as a real moon, and not as a symbolic or stylistic element.

Conclusion: The evidence supports the idea that the moon destroyed by Sigillum represents a real moon, or at least a moon-sized object. This would make it moon-level, just like those who scale to rover and aemeath.
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It looks good. But they could still argue that it's a different moon if the game doesn't explicitly state that they are the same. Either way, it's a great addition. Oh, and I think we'll have a lot more information in the next patch too.
 
IStar0thh said:
It looks good. But they could still argue that it's a different moon if the game doesn't explicitly state that they are the same. Either way, it's a great addition. Oh, and I think we'll have a lot more information in the next patch too.
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However, it can be noted that the only real difference is the color. Even the fragments are the same, both in position and shape, only slightly rotated. Additionally, both depictions show the same light beam emanating from the object, with the only difference being its color.

Because of this, it would be a weak argument to claim that the game did not intend to present these moons as the same object, considering that the only meaningful change is the color while all other structural features remain consistent.
 
FormidableLoris348 said:
However, it can be noted that the only real difference is the color. Even the fragments are the same, both in position and shape, only slightly rotated. Additionally, both depictions show the same light beam emanating from the object, with the only difference being its color.

Because of this, it would be a weak argument to claim that the game did not intend to present these moons as the same object, considering that the only meaningful change is the color while all other structural features remain consistent.
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Yeah, but aside from that, the space where this event takes place would need to be the same one where Aemeath and Rover were (inside the Exostrider). Do we have any evidence supporting that?
 
IStar0thh said:
Yeah, but aside from that, the space where this event takes place would need to be the same one where Aemeath and Rover were (inside the Exostrider). Do we have any evidence supporting that?
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The event doesn't need to take place within Exostrider; that's not the point. The point is that the game treats the moon destroyed by Sigillum as a real moon, to the point of including it in a space-themed event alongside a blue representation of Saturn and meteorite fragments.

The game clearly treats it as a real celestial body, placing it in the background of this event as a destroyed moon. The fragments shown floating around it are the same as those on the moon destroyed by Sigillum. The way it is broken, as well as the light emanating from its interior, are also consistent, with the only difference being a color change to match the space setting and a slight tilt that alters the position of the fragments.

However, it is perfectly noticeable that this is the same destroyed moon with a different color. Comparing both representations, it becomes clear that the moon shown in the event is the same one destroyed by Sigillum, only slightly rotated and with a different color.
 
FormidableLoris348 said:
I found additional evidence suggesting that the moon destroyed by Sigillum is intended to be a real moon, or at least treated as such by the game.

First, here are images from the in-game event:

As the images show, the destroyed moon appears in a space-themed event ("Rhythm Event"), where the environment clearly represents outer space. The moon shown is consistent with the moon destroyed by Sigillum, despite differences in color or positioning. Its shape, fragmentation pattern, and visual presentation are very similar.

Furthermore, the moon exhibits visible crater-like features, which are characteristic of natural moons, not artificial or abstract constructs. The following points confirm that the game treats it as a real moon:

- It is positioned in a cosmic environment, alongside a planet and visual elements of space.

- It maintains the appearance and structure of a natural satellite.

- It includes surface details (such as craters) typical of real moons.

In general, the visual and contextual evidence indicates that the game consistently treats this moon as a real moon, and not as a symbolic or stylistic element.

Conclusion: The evidence supports the idea that the moon destroyed by Sigillum represents a real moon, or at least a moon-sized object. This would make it moon-level, just like those who scale to rover and aemeath.
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Better image of the moon.

 
These are my final proofs that the moon in the event is the same one destroyed by Siggilum.





As shown in the images, the background changes color between the second and third parts of the event, and the moon's appearance changes accordingly, with its purple glow turning red.

A planet is also visible in the second part and appears on fire in the third. This indicates that the visuals are adjusted to match the overall color and atmosphere of the scene.

Because of this, the change in the moon's appearance does not indicate a different object, but rather a visual adaptation to the background — just like the planet, which looks normal at first and then appears on fire, although it is still the same planet.

Therefore, despite the visual differences between the three parts of the event, the moon remains the same one destroyed by Siggilum, with only its appearance modified to suit the change of scenery.
 
I think we should remove the Chainscale for some characters. It doesn’t make sense for Jiyan to scale to a large planet. First, the Havoc Rover from 1.3 is not the same as the one from 1.0, and more importantly, that level of scaling doesn’t align with the narrative.
Jiyan was comparable to the Spectro Rover, who was roughly on par with Dreamless (around 7-B). After the Rover obtained the Havoc form, if they were already at a planetary level at that point, they should have been able to one-shot Dreamless—which clearly doesn’t happen.
Likewise, if Jiyan were planetary, he would have demonstrated far higher AP than the Spectro Rover, which isn’t supported by what we see.
In other words, the 1.3 Rover may scale to planetary, but not immediately after acquiring the Havoc form.
 
Furthermore, Lupa’s profile claims that the Leviathan she fought was comparable to Havoc Rover, but there’s no actual evidence or scan to support that. Rover handled Mya while she was possessed by the Leviathan quite easily, and the fight itself was offscreen, so we don’t even know what were used.
The same issue applies to Qiuyuan’s and Scar’s profiles. At no point is Qiuyuan shown to be superior to Havoc Rover, and Scar was defeated by the Spectro Rover back in version 1.0.
 
IStar0thh said:
I think we should remove the Chainscale for some characters. It doesn’t make sense for Jiyan to scale to a large planet. First, the Havoc Rover from 1.3 is not the same as the one from 1.0, and more importantly, that level of scaling doesn’t align with the narrative.
Jiyan was comparable to the Spectro Rover, who was roughly on par with Dreamless (around 7-B). After the Rover obtained the Havoc form, if they were already at a planetary level at that point, they should have been able to one-shot Dreamless—which clearly doesn’t happen.
Likewise, if Jiyan were planetary, he would have demonstrated far higher AP than the Spectro Rover, which isn’t supported by what we see.
In other words, the 1.3 Rover may scale to planetary, but not immediately after acquiring the Havoc form.
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Personally, I would prefer to remove the "large planet level" classification. I've always interpreted the Rover cutting through the black hole as a hax feat, since the Rover havoc can cut through space, something we see in its attacks in the game. Because of this, I think the black hole feat doesn't necessarily relate to its power, but rather its ability to cut through space.
 
FormidableLoris348 said:
Personally, I would prefer to remove the "large planet level" classification. I've always interpreted the Rover cutting through the black hole as a hax feat, since the Rover havoc can cut through space, something we see in its attacks in the game. Because of this, I think the black hole feat doesn't necessarily relate to its power, but rather its ability to cut through space.
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With the information you’ve provided, we might be able to get the moon feat accepted, or at least build a more concrete argument for it.
As for the Necrostar feat, it can still be used for the Shorekeeper. Even if the Rover achieved it through hax, the Shorekeeper should still scale to Tethys/Necrostar
 
IStar0thh said:
Furthermore, Lupa’s profile claims that the Leviathan she fought was comparable to Havoc Rover, but there’s no actual evidence or scan to support that.
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I think it was Leviathan at 2.7 where it was hit by 12 resonators even by havoc rover but Leviathan was still stronger
 
Bsk_lyree said:
How could that be when he slashed with his physical strength??
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Rover cut the Necrostar using the Havoc scythe, the power he acquired from Dreamless. When you use Dreamless as an Echo, she cuts through space multiple times in front of you with her scythe, which is the same scythe Rover uses. In his second or third basic attack, he makes a cut in the ground that slices through space. This spatial cut also appears when Rover eliminates monsters using Havoc before cutting the Necrostar. If you look at this scene carefully, you’ll notice that the cuts in the ground are closing. His cutting of the Necrostar also demonstrates his ability to cut through space, which he obtained from Dreamless.
 
IStar0thh said:
I think we should remove the Chainscale for some characters. It doesn’t make sense for Jiyan to scale to a large planet. First, the Havoc Rover from 1.3 is not the same as the one from 1.0, and more importantly, that level of scaling doesn’t align with the narrative.
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Not true, they are exactly the same, as nothing major happens in between 1.0 and 1.3. Rover has not a single fight where they even use their havoc form again, and Jiyan directly keeps up with Rover and blocks attacks Rover cannot block before getting the Havoc form
 
But quite frankly, ya'll always complain about everything and I anticipated this. So do as you please, it doesn't really matter to me
 
FormidableLoris348 said:
Rover cut the Necrostar using the Havoc scythe, the power he acquired from Dreamless. When you use Dreamless as an Echo, she cuts through space multiple times in front of you with her scythe, which is the same scythe Rover uses. In his second or third basic attack, he makes a cut in the ground that slices through space. This spatial cut also appears when Rover eliminates monsters using Havoc before cutting the Necrostar. If you look at this scene carefully, you’ll notice that the cuts in the ground are closing. His cutting of the Necrostar also demonstrates his ability to cut through space, which he obtained from Dreamless.
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While you might think this is sound, that's not at all how black hole feats work. As you stated yes, blackhole cutting/destruction feats are by default a form of spatial manipulation, that does not in the slightest mean cutting through a blackhole = no AP. By that logic characters who can destroy the universe by punching it don't have universal AP, but just space-time hax with universal range.

Also, Dreamless never once showcased the ability to outright cut through space, the same way you're attempting to use in game visuals that don't directly correlate to lore with the moon to sigillum is the same way you're attempting to do this with Dreamless. There is nothing suggesting either of these things are directly linked to what occurs in the story. Using that to argue sigillum's moon is a real one isn't going to work
 
IStar0thh said:
Furthermore, Lupa’s profile claims that the Leviathan she fought was comparable to Havoc Rover, but there’s no actual evidence or scan to support that. Rover handled Mya while she was possessed by the Leviathan quite easily, and the fight itself was offscreen, so we don’t even know what were used.
The same issue applies to Qiuyuan’s and Scar’s profiles. At no point is Qiuyuan shown to be superior to Havoc Rover, and Scar was defeated by the Spectro Rover back in version 1.0.
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Honestly atp I think you guys just really don't think before you say stuff, it is a very simple concept. First of all, Aero Rover is vastly superior to Havoc Rover, if I genuinely need to explain why then this is already a lost cause, just go replay or rewatch 2.2 when actually paying proper attention this time. Secondly, ignoring that Rover was specifically using his Aero powers against Mya (who's comparable to the Leviathan Lupa fought) there is another very blatant and obvious fact and that is Augusta, who blatantly forced Rover to utilize his Havoc powers in order to contend with her. The two are then seen performing equally against False Sovereign, Augusta is then shown performing similarly to everyone in the 2.7 finale, so unless you're just gonna sit here and tell me Leviathan is weaker than Havoc Rover then you're just talking for the sake of talking. If you genuinely believe that is the case, then I'll downgrade everyone back to 7B
 
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