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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Rgerdeena said:
He scales to Superman and darkseid who scale to time trapper, time trapper is accepted as 2-A his profile just hasn’t been updated yet
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Shouldn’t he also get the tiering because he now is Time Trapper now? Time Trapper’s identity constantly changes but those identity shifts don’t get retconned, they still happen. And this iteration of Time Trapper is shown to be the final endpoint of Doomsday and not some alt future version of him like with Superboy Prime Doomsday.
 
AcidSilver said:
Shouldn’t he also get the tiering because he now is Time Trapper now? Time Trapper’s identity constantly changes but those identity shifts don’t get retconned, they still happen. And this iteration of Time Trapper is shown to be the final endpoint of Doomsday and not some alt future version of him like with Superboy Prime Doomsday.
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Shouldn't we make a time trapper Doomsday key?
 
Entity said:
it is needed to fight the Hulk
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Rgerdeena said:
Post flashpoint is also rebirth and infinite frontier
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Ah... Rebirth and IF were both nice

Honestly DC sucked under Geoff Johns as he fed the narrative that DC was dark and has more edges that an super duper transfinite Hilbert Space cube
 
KirbyFan03 said:
Ah... Rebirth and IF were both nice

Honestly DC sucked under Geoff Johns as he fed the narrative that DC was dark and has more edges that an super duper transfinite Hilbert Space cube
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the most popular DC character is Batman, Batman’s costume is dark and has lots of edges on it, clearly Geoff johns was right
 
Can someone fix John Constantine's profile? I dont know the details so I bring this here

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John Constantine (Classic)

Since before his birth, John Constantine was an unlucky man. The death of his would-be twin brother and mother during his birth caused his father to resent him, which led him to an unhappy childhood, and drove him down a dark path during his early teenage years, where he began to dabble in...
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Swamp Thing (Classic)

In a secret facility located in the Louisiana swamplands, scientist Alec Holland and his wife Linda invented a Bio-Restorative Formula that would solve any nations' food shortage problems. Ferrett and Bruno - thugs working for Nathan Ellery - barged into Alec's lab, knocked him out, and planted...
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The Spectre

The Spectre, in the time before time began, was a rebellious angel named Raguel who was seduced to Lucifer's side against the Presence, becoming the demon Aztar. When he repented his sins, begging the Presence for punishment and mercy, he was stripped of his identity, forgetting all he was and...
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OK... imma compile my research and make a DC God Physiology Page as well as explanations on Hypertime and Earth 33
 
KirbyFan03 said:
OK... imma compile my research and make a DC God Physiology Page as well as explanations on Hypertime and Earth 33
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Don't forget the information from The Return of Bruce Wayne by Grant Morrison which features a very nice explanation about Hypertime:

It all starts with a point representing the possibilities. This point extends into a line stretching forwards and backwards (space a): a linear timeline. Since time also extends laterally, there is plane time (space b), an immense "two-dimensional" loom of converging and separating timelines. At the perpendicular to the plane time is cube time where beings see all time lines from a higher-dimensional perspective, which was said to be our world by Grant Morrison. Beyond cube time lies hypercube time, where fifth-dimensional entities observe us in the same way we look at comic books. Morrison also described Hypertime as a "three-dimensional" super structure based on geometry and as you said, Hypertime contains canon and non-canon (elseworlds) materials.

In Flashpoint Beyond, Hypertime is described as "all of time" and half of existence, while the Omniverse represents "all of space," forming the Divine Continuum. Here, time and space should not be taken literally, because the realms they contain, such as the Sphere of the Gods, transcend normal space-time; even Hypertime has been described as being above ordinary time. The Divine Continuum represents all of existence within the DC Universe, but there is the Greater Omniverse above it.
 
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Elizio33 said:
Don't forget the information from The Return of Bruce Wayne by Grant Morrison which features a very nice explanation about Hypertime:

It all starts with a point representing the possibilities. This point extends into a line stretching forwards and backwards (space a): a linear timeline. Since time also extends laterally, there is plane time (space b), an immense "two-dimensional" loom of converging and separating timelines. At the perpendicular to the plane time is cube time where beings see all time lines from a higher-dimensional perspective, which was said to be our world by Grant Morrison. Beyond cube time lies hypercube time, where fifth-dimensional entities observe us in the same way we look at comic books. Morrison also described Hypertime as a "three-dimensional" super structure based on geometry and as you said, Hypertime contains canon and non-canon (elseworlds) materials.

In Flashpoint Beyond, Hypertime is described as "all of time" and half of existence, while the Omniverse represents "all of space," forming the Divine Continuum. Here, time and space should not be taken literally, because the realms they contain, such as the Sphere of the Gods, transcend normal space-time; even Hypertime has been described as being above ordinary time. The Divine Continuum represents all of existence within the DC Universe, but there is the Greater Omniverse above it.
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There's also DC treating continuity as time

Overall DC has for blunt honesty a very ****** up view of space, time and dimensions lol. The standard 3 dimensions and time one they do right (mostly)

But with them treating higher levels of time as continuity itself and consistently portrayed abstract and Conceptual realms as space.

Then there's Snyders whole dimensions which he said aren't spatio temporal but Wade had someone from the 6D bully Mxy even tho there's like 4 inhabitants of the realm beyond imagination

Other than the N52 which I hate doing dimensions within the universe like with the Swampthing and Constantine runs

There's also the fact that due to DCs perceptions using these higher notions of space-time as merely scientific higher dimensions doesn't work as well..
The way DC describes higher levels of space-time doesn't fit in any scientific version and is more "meta" to us irl
 
KirbyFan03 said:
There's also DC treating continuity as time

Overall DC has for blunt honesty a very ****** up view of space, time and dimensions lol. The standard 3 dimensions and time one they do right (mostly)

But with them treating higher levels of time as continuity itself and consistently portrayed abstract and Conceptual realms as space.

Then there's Snyders whole dimensions which he said aren't spatio temporal but Wade had someone from the 6D bully Mxy even tho there's like 4 inhabitants of the realm beyond imagination

Other than the N52 which I hate doing dimensions within the universe like with the Swampthing and Constantine runs

There's also the fact that due to DCs perceptions using these higher notions of space-time as merely scientific higher dimensions doesn't work as well..
The way DC describes higher levels of space-time doesn't fit in any scientific version and is more "meta" to us irl
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Yeah timelines, depending on the context, is also treated as continuities. Regarding Mark Waid's depiction of the Sixth Dimension, it was agreed that this was a continuity error because the Justice League had no knowledge of the Sixth Dimension prior to the events of the Metal Wars Saga and their depictions differ from Waid's.
 
Elizio33 said:
Yeah timelines, depending on the context, is also treated as continuities. Regarding Mark Waid's depiction of the Sixth Dimension, it was agreed that this was a continuity error because the Justice League had no knowledge of the Sixth Dimension prior to the events of the Metal Wars Saga and their depictions differ from Waid's.
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Personally tho i do think Gods in DC have plot manip in regards to continuity. While they can't rewrite narratives or do any of the cool Featherine stuff their power with Hypertime does count as plot manip as they can move through it and Motherboxes can access it meaning BFR (which Mother boxes have done) to different continuities is actually a thing users of Hypertime could do
 
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Personally tho i do think Gods in DC have plot manip in regards to continuity. While they can't rewrite narratives or do any of the cool Featherine stuff their power with Hypertime does count as plot manip as they can move through it and Motherboxes can access it meaning BFR (which Mother boxes have done) to different continuities is actually a thing users of Hypertime could do
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"Possibly Plot Manipulation through Hypertime Manipulation" could work.
 
Elizio33 said:
"Possibly Plot Manipulation through Hypertime Manipulation" could work.
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Yeah I can agree with that

The Gods in DC are funny

They have blatant Chaos and Law manip

But The Lords of Order and Chaos are specialists

They possibly have plot manip

God Brainiac is the best user of it with blatant plot stuff via Convergence
 
I do think Gods should have resistant to plot manip too as they stand above Earth 33/aren't affected by its influence and can enter its fictive membrane which has been consistent that higher forces can breach it at will
 
Since there is now a God Physiology page, is there any page about Monitor Physiology?
 
KirbyFan03 said:
I do think Gods should have resistant to plot manip too as they stand above Earth 33/aren't affected by its influence and can enter its fictive membrane which has been consistent that higher forces can breach it at will
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Darkseid was trapped there because of the Crack of the Multiverse during JL Incarnate, i don't remember him to be able to access it as he please.
 
Elizio33 said:
Darkseid was trapped there because of the Crack of the Multiverse during JL Incarnate, i don't remember him to be able to access it as he please.
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Iirc during JLI Pres. Superman said that only ideas can pierce the fictive membrane that grants Earth 33 it's influence over other universes. I may need to reread it tho
 
Aside from the gods of DC... I think the Lantern Mythos would do wonders if they were set up like how the Honkai Stuff is because I'll admit while the verse does have some problems that's currently being sorted out they did an excellent job formatting everything
 
There's a few things I'm not entirely sure. Does the Material Realms really scale to the Implicate Order or it is the Totality of the DC Universe (Divine Continuum, Omniverse, and Hypertime) that should scale to the Implicate Order ??? Unless the Implicate Order is meant to extend to a higher hierarchy that ultimately reaches The Source ? I remember that this question has already been asked by many people in the past.

Also, as we discussed, the Bleed should be possibly Low 1-A for holding all levels of reality which is potentially infinite, and is transdimensional. It is not limited to the Orrery as it contains the true form of reality (snowflake) which contains 196,833 Multiverses. (Many thanks for our community for these finds!)

Should we still consider that the Orrery of Worlds possesses an inconsistent number of extra dimensions ranging from eleven, fourteen, nineteen to twenty-six ?

It is also appropriate to address the case of the realms located between the Material Realms and the Sphere of the Gods.

Do you still agree with the notion that the Vertigo Void ≠ the Overvoid and it's an aspect of it ?

I've done a lot of research lately, but I also need your opinion.
 
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Elizio33 said:
There's a few things I'm not entirely sure. Does the Material Realms really scale to the Implicate Order or it is the Totality of the DC Universe (Divine Continuum, Omniverse, and Hypertime) that should scale to the Implicate Order ??? Unless the Implicate Order is meant to extend to a higher hierarchy that ultimately reaches The Source ? I remember that this question has already been asked by many people in the past.

Also, as we discussed, the Bleed should be possibly Low 1-A for holding all levels of reality which is potentially infinite, and is transdimensional. It is not limited to the Orrery as it contains the true form of reality (snowflake) which contains 196,833 Multiverses. (Many thanks for our community for these finds!)

Should we still consider that the Orrery of Worlds possesses an inconsistent number of extra dimensions ranging from eleven, fourteen to twenty-six ?

It is also appropriate to address the case of the realms located between the Material Realms and the Sphere of the Gods.

Do you still agree with the notion that the Vertigo Void ≠ the Overvoid and it's an aspect of it ?

I've done a lot of research lately, but I also need your opinion.
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I think 11D is the bare minimum you can get for The Orrery. The Bleed contains the Pre Crisis Multiverse which from the blog I read gets High 1-B + so Low Outer would be somewhat consistent

It would be nice if the silent realms/forgot what they're called exist there maybe cosmologically alongside Wonder World or the Speedforce Wall

And no The Void of Voids is NOT the Overvoid
 
KirbyFan03 said:
I think 11D is the bare minimum you can get for The Orrery. The Bleed contains the Pre Crisis Multiverse which from the blog I read gets High 1-B + so Low Outer would be somewhat consistent

It would be nice if the silent realms/forgot what they're called exist there maybe cosmologically alongside Wonder World or the Speedforce Wall

And no The Void of Voids is NOT the Overvoid
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Thanks for your help. The Orrery itself should be High 1-C, possibly 1-B in my opinion for having statements of having eleven or twenty-six dimensions. The "possibly 1-B" is because it is not clear if all the dimensions mentioned are contained in the Orrery. Anyway, the silent realms should be addressed, yes.
 
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The Void Beyond Voids (assuming it is the one described in DeMatteis's story) represents the same ultimate oneness as the Overvoid. Although DeMatteis was unaware of the existence of the Overvoid and the two versions have never been directly compared, they are similar enough to be combined as they both fundamentally represent the same absolute. And it is generally accepted that the Vertigo Void differs from the Overvoid.
 
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Elizio33 said:
The Void Beyond Voids (assuming it is the one described in DeMatteis's story) represents the same ultimate oneness as the Overvoid. Although DeMatteis was unaware of the existence of the Overvoid and the two versions have never been directly compared, they are similar enough to be combined as they both fundamentally represent the same absolute. And it is generally accepted that the Vertigo Void differs from the Overvoid.
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I mean you cooooould go down that path sure. I just have some problems with it as DC has many white voids

But yeah imo

Orrery = High 1-C to possibly 1-B

Multiverses = High 1-B+

Dark Multiverse: High 1-B+ (is vastly bigger than the light Multiverses)

Bleedspace = Low 1-A

Silent Realms/Wonder World/Monitor Satellite/Speedforce Wall = Low 1-A

Sphere of The Gods = Baseline 1-A (while yes there are some anti feats there's also high 1-A args for it so I think Baseline outer is a decent middle ground when all things considered)

Dreaming= 1-A+

Limbo/Monitor Sphere = High 1-A (from what I understand of what you said a bit earlier, might be misremembering)

5th dimension = High 1-A (encompasses The Monitor Sphere too)

Hypertime= High 1-A (Limbo and Vanishing Point are a part of it, plus it's lower because World Forger created it)

Source wall = High 1-A

6th dimension = Higher into High 1-A

Hands = High 1-A

The True Form of The Endless = High 1-A

The Heavenly Powers (Lucifer, Michael, Elaine) = High 1-A

Light of Creation and The Great Darkness = High 1-A

Presence/Source/Overvoid = 0
 
. . . Since I'm a fan of Hoyoverse, Yugioh, Marvel and DC (more of a DC fan)

I really wanna branch out into the verses here XD

Also, The Aeons from HSR vs The Emotional Entities goes hard... it's a shame none of the heralds get the higher D scaling but The Entities should be around Skyfather, no?
 
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