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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Anyway I was curious about the current MFTL+ speed values and came across this
The feat is valid (he actually just does do a search-problem on the required data set of the entire universe), but it’s somewhat exaggerated in its current method; taking the bit-quantity of this universe and then using a volume multiplier derived from how much bigger DC’s universe is doesn’t work since bit-density scales based on surface area, not volume, from the Bekenstein bound.

And anyway, properly speaking, he isn’t doing a brute-search on the Zeta Beam’s data set, he’s simulating the necessary conditions for the girl to be sitting on a park bench next to him so she can tell him the specific string which would solve the search-problem (which is what happens in the issue), which is deriving the scenario’s descript Kolmogorov complexity, which in full is uncomputable (as in, it’s literally not Turing-complete, even if you had an infinitely long tape it wouldn’t halt in forever to give you the proper answer), and even approximating it involves a search over the possible state-space of worlds which would generate that string which is exponentially larger (2^10^universe-bits) and would be far above 10^168 operations done in two minutes. In any case the current methodology is wrong anyway, since his brain isn’t literally simulating the universe as it exists, deriving the string from it, and then using that; he’s cycling between simulated-worlds in his head in distributing over the data set to get that exact bench-scenario in which she gives the string. Which is, either, 2^10^122 operations (assuming he’s averaging over the entire space, and just using the regular universe’s bit-density, not DC’s) approximating the K-complexity, or properly requires hypercomputation (putting this as a speed value here is really tricky, at minimum he’s capable of solving problems which classically aren’t even possible in infinite time with infinite resources).

@Emirp sumitpo

(It’s funny that this is actually consistent for the character; the Book of Infinite pages feat represents a second example of this, since it’s the ‘one story’ which contains all other possible stories (of which there are infinity) and Superman just fits it in his head).
Funny words magic man... how fast is superman now? Also chatacters like WW shouldn't scale to supes in Rebirth, as Lobo who actually does scale to superman beat the brakes off of her badly and either needed to be jumped and have his own stuff used against him... or Wonder Woman needed literal Tier-0 GOD to save her
 
Funny words magic man... how fast is superman now? Also chatacters like WW shouldn't scale to supes in Rebirth, as Lobo who actually does scale to superman beat the brakes off of her badly and either needed to be jumped and have his own stuff used against him... or Wonder Woman needed literal Tier-0 GOD to save her
Lobo is a literal lolgag character. Anyway yeah DC KO stuff should be centralized in a CRT later.

He should be blatantly immeasurable anyway. At minimum it would be the fastest finite feat on this site by far.
 
Lobo is a literal lolgag character. Anyway yeah DC KO stuff should be centralized in a CRT later.

He should be blatantly immeasurable anyway. At minimum it would be the fastest finite feat on this site by far.
Superman should gain a lot of new powers too like dura neg, molecule manip, radiation manip, energy absorption/attack null (52 Megaton stuff)
 
The First of The Fallen yeets Supergirl and Martian Manhunter into hell. John CONFIRMS that they were yeeted by someone, hell is part of the psychic web that makes up reality and can't exist in the rational universe. Hells foundations are literally made from the souls of the damned. Not in a power scaling sense, these souls are literally beaten into Hells mud. (Doomsday Special 2023)

Now every soul in every universe is born from an emanation of the eternal flame located in an extra-dimensional astral realm of pure thought

We know it isn't in the Sphere of the gods as Constantine was traveling to the "outer edges of the universe" and when the parademons were using their concept manip powers (surprise!) They were affecting the souls of that universe not Constantine as he was universe hopping, he was only affected by Darkseids mind flaying. (If we go off N52 cosmology The Green, Red, Heaven all have emanations that "touch the world" through higher dimensional (11D as per that Swamp Thing scan)

I recommend you read New 52s Constantine run (2015 I believe?) Issues 20,21,22 for the full breakdown

But the eternal flame is a type 2 concept as it governs the souls of that specific universe where it was emanated in as shown when Constantine wasn't affected by its drain

Souls in DC are Conceptual in nature because they're created from the eternal flame which is a type 2 concept and they can exist up to the real Godsphere Hell (the one powered by belief) and not only exist but actually make up a small part of it (getting the shit beaten out of them into the slurry by their demon torturers) and The Sphere is an archetypal realm
 
The First of The Fallen yeets Supergirl and Martian Manhunter into hell. John CONFIRMS that they were yeeted by someone, hell is part of the psychic web that makes up reality and can't exist in the rational universe. Hells foundations are literally made from the souls of the damned. Not in a power scaling sense, these souls are literally beaten into Hells mud. (Doomsday Special 2023)

Now every soul in every universe is born from an emanation of the eternal flame located in an extra-dimensional astral realm of pure thought

We know it isn't in the Sphere of the gods as Constantine was traveling to the "outer edges of the universe" and when the parademons were using their concept manip powers (surprise!) They were affecting the souls of that universe not Constantine as he was universe hopping, he was only affected by Darkseids mind flaying. (If we go off N52 cosmology The Green, Red, Heaven all have emanations that "touch the world" through higher dimensional (11D as per that Swamp Thing scan)

I recommend you read New 52s Constantine run (2015 I believe?) Issues 20,21,22 for the full breakdown

But the eternal flame is a type 2 concept as it governs the souls of that specific universe where it was emanated in as shown when Constantine wasn't affected by its drain

Souls in DC are Conceptual in nature because they're created from the eternal flame which is a type 2 concept and they can exist up to the real Godsphere Hell (the one powered by belief) and not only exist but actually make up a small part of it (getting the shit beaten out of them into the slurry by their demon torturers) and The Sphere is an archetypal realm
So souls in DC have

Abstract Existence Type 1 (Concept Type 2)

Higher Dimensional Existence
(5-11D as the dimension locations aren't specified in the N52)

Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 3 (Hells a place of belief in DC and for those who believe in it can end up in the real one)

Immortality Type 1
and 7

Resistance
to

Fire Manipulation (Hellfire burns hotter than any earthly one and even then its a slow burn)

Temperature Manipulation (at least star level as its hotter than any earthly fire)
 
Abstract Existence Type 1 (Concept Type 2)

Higher Dimensional Existence
(5-11D as the dimension locations aren't specified in the N52)

Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 3 (Hells a place of belief in DC and for those who believe in it can end up in the real one)
What the hell this supposed to mean
 
Hell... heheh... basically these would be the stuff DC souls would have if we give them a page/explanation page.
 
are u telling me there are different types of soul or they have HDE BDE AE at same time
They're born from a higher dimensional abstract flame but with belief they can end up in the God Realms (Belief in DC should really have its own page as it's the source of magic)
 
Actually can someone find how Black Racer has CM1 via soul manipulation. I find it very strange
Black Racer has CM1 due to God souls (if you read Ram Vs New Gods Issue 5 God souls are more fundamental/can interact with unborn ideas)

But unless someone had a similar idea for me regarding DC souls being of a Conceptual nature then... idk lol
 
Black Racer has CM1 due to God souls (if you read Ram Vs New Gods Issue 5 God souls are more fundamental/can interact with unborn ideas)

But unless someone had a similar idea for me regarding DC souls being of a Conceptual nature then... idk lol
I am asking what is even explanation for this souls being CM1.

Like where is thread which it was accepted. If otherwise I am not helping with wank, but suggesting to nuke it
 
I am asking what is even explanation for this souls being CM1.

Like where is thread which it was accepted. If otherwise I am not helping with wank, but suggesting to nuke it
Fair enough. I too would like to see the thread for Racers CM1 too lol. To help me with my research on DC souls

Btw how was it so far?
 
Fair enough. I too would like to see the thread for Racers CM1 too lol. To help me with my research on DC souls

Btw how was it so far?
Actually I was wrong about Black Racer CM. It was Anti Monitor who has CM1 on based soul. No idea where it was accepted but you could research and see if this helps your research or not
 
Actually I was wrong about Black Racer CM. It was Anti Monitor who has CM1 on based soul. No idea where it was accepted but you could research and see if this helps your research or not
After reading it. I don't think it has anything to do with the soul but rather using to mess with the black racer and fuse him with the flash
 
Great Darkness profile quality is so outdated. Can GD justification work for NEP 1 at least since uhhh it is most obvious Nothingness?
 
I thought he had Type 2 for being more truer than Limbo which is a nonexistent Void where stories end
Do you scans for that? Cuz current profile gives it lot abilities just for "predating" Overvoid which doesn't work anymore since Overvoid was accepted as Tier 0
 
I'm interested in getting into Green Lantern
Any recommendation?
I recently started reading Hal Jordan and I'm following the list my friend gave me, here it is;

Green lantern Emerald Dawn I / II
Green Lantern Emerald twilight
Green Lantern 1990 51((the place where Kyle Run begins after Emerald Twilight)51-55
Armageddon 2001 #1
Zero Hour
Sonra Green Lantern 1998 #0
Green Lantern 1990 #60-64
Green Lantern 1990 Annual #4
Final Night #1-3
Final Night Parallax #1
Final Night #4
Green lantern 1990 #100-106
The Day of Judgement
The day of judgements secret flies and origins
Dc universe legacies #9
Legends of dc universe #33-36
The Spectre 2001
JLA / The Spectre Soul War
Green lantern legacy last will and testamet of Hal jordan
Green Lantern Rebirth(Unfortunately)

After reading these, he said I could move on to Geoff Johns' run.
 
Great Darkness profile quality is so outdated. Can GD justification work for NEP 1 at least since uhhh it is most obvious Nothingness?
I think Type 2 would work as it exists beyond the Fourth World which has reality and unreality lose meaning
 

Was ts ever applied
 

Was ts ever applied
Some of it i think.
 
So souls in DC have

Abstract Existence Type 1 (Concept Type 2)

Higher Dimensional Existence
(5-11D as the dimension locations aren't specified in the N52)

Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 3 (Hells a place of belief in DC and for those who believe in it can end up in the real one)

Immortality Type 1
and 7

Resistance
to

Fire Manipulation (Hellfire burns hotter than any earthly one and even then its a slow burn)

Temperature Manipulation (at least star level as its hotter than any earthly fire)
Hmmmm... I don't think DC souls should be type 1. Type 2 should be fine and as of recent comics they do go to the true archetypal realm of hell beyond rational universes and part of the psychic plane that makes up reality

Abstract Existence Type 1 (Concept Type 2)
BDE Type 3
Immortality types 1 and 7

Resistances to
Fire manip
Heat manip
 
essentially all you need to is just find something that proves souls are independent from reality they govern or wank like that
Here's the thing. There's the N52 route or the Rebirth route

N52 had souls spawn from the Eternal flame which is a type 2 concept (exists in an astral realm of pure thought and affecting it affects all the souls in the universe it govern), souls in DC can also he used for very powerful magic regardless of continuity.

Rebirth had souls go to hell when they die being tortured by demons. Demons also can interact with The realm that's beyond any rational universe and makes up the psychic web that constitutes reality by literally being beaten into it. Then if you've read the King of Doomsday 2023 special their immortal flesh literally forms a barrier over a gateway powered by belief not even King of Hell Doomsday can break

Personally even though you can find some way to wank it to type 1 all I found was type 2 stuff

Even for the hell stuff there's countless souls that are lesser than that type 1 realm but still somewhat abstract in nature
 
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