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Goku vs. Kratos (Teen Edition) (1-7-0) (GRACE)

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  • Post-Korin Training Goku and Spartan Cadet Kratos are used
  • Both High 8-C+
  • Speed Equalised
  • Both in-character
  • Fight takes place at Fortune Teller Baba's Palace
Son Wukong Goku: ShionAh
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Kratos: Planck69, Kellex, Rex_Eckles, Nonynho, TegamiBachi25, Pepsimanslover, DaReaperMan
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Inconclusive:

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  • Goku scales to 7.44 Tons of TnT, 449,986.3096 Tons of Force and Mach 7.17908
  • Kratos scales to 7.2336153 Tons of TnT, 0.5-1 Tons of Force (I couldn't find the Class 1 value he scales to) and Mach 24.4228025557
  • Goku has a 1.02853133481x AP advantage and a 449,986.3096-899,972.6192x LS advantage
  • Kratos has a 3.40194043745x Speed advantage NVM
 
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Kratos has an over 3 times speed advantage, and can even boost his mobility further with the Victory Sandals. And Goku to my knowledge is far more for melee combat than trying to attack from range at this point. So what stops him from going in and then just stabbing one time and haxxing him with Soul Magic? He even has a Speed-of-Light attack than Goku can't react to.
 
Kratos has an over 3 times speed advantage, and can even boost his mobility further with the Victory Sandals. And Goku to my knowledge is far more for melee combat than trying to attack from range at this point. So what stops him from going in and then just stabbing one time and haxxing him with Soul Magic? He even has a Speed-of-Light attack than Goku can't react to.
Goku can fight from a distance with the Power Pole which also has Relativistic attack speed that Kratos wouldn't be able to react to. Along with that he has an insane LS advantage, though in-character Goku doesn't really grab people that much and usually just throws hands. Another advantage that Goku has is him being Blessed/Supernaturally Lucky which, even if it doesn't grant him an automatic win, should protect him from fatal stuff Kratos can throw at him. But yeah is Kratos' Soul Magic that busted in this key? I might equalise speed if that's the case to make it more fair.
 
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Goku can fight from a distance with the Power Pole which also has Relativistic attack speed that Kratos wouldn't be able to react to. Along with that he has an insane LS advantage, though in-character Goku doesn't really grab people that much and usually just throws hands. Another advantage that Goku has is him being Blessed/Supernaturally Lucky which, even if it doesn't grant him an automatic win, should protect him from fatal stuff Kratos can throw at him. But yeah is Kratos' Soul Magic that busted in this key? I might equalise speed if that's the case to make it more fair.
Yeah, but Kratos is far more likely to use his attack first, given that he's far faster innately.

His Soul Magic is the same in all his keys, just click it. It's the baseline magic of all beings.

Distance can be an issue yeah, but Goku has no reason to keep distance from Kratos, since he doesn't know what the latter can do.
 
Took a glance at teenage Kratos's profile and, uhhhh
If speed doesn't get equalized right now, kid goku is gonna get speed blitzed.
 
Kratos also has 1 time resurrection in this key.
 
Kratos also has 1 time resurrection in this key.
Oh yeah that too. I didn't even realize the Belt of Tyche and Lycurgus Bust were a part of his Standard Equipment until now so I honestly don't see how Goku can win this lol.

Another advantage that Goku has is him being Blessed/Supernaturally Lucky which, even if it doesn't grant him an automatic win, should protect him from fatal stuff Kratos can throw at him.
That's actually being changed to Fate Manipulation, and Kid Goku can still be incapped.
 
Oh yeah that too. I didn't even realize the Belt of Tyche and Lycurgus Bust were a part of his Standard Equipment until now so I honestly don't see how Goku can win this lol.


That's actually being changed to Fate Manipulation, and Kid Goku can still be incapped.
Every tabber there is part of his arsenal, yeah.

I am unsure how that Fate Manipulation is gonna interact here, given Kratos doesn't yet have his Reactive Evolution (I think), so he can't directly overcome it.

Cause Goku dies here the moment any attack lands. And Kratos also has time slow and the ability to make himself phase between realities to layer his spear strikes.
 
Every tabber there is part of his arsenal, yeah.

I am unsure how that Fate Manipulation is gonna interact here, given Kratos doesn't yet have his Reactive Evolution (I think), so he can't directly overcome it.

Cause Goku dies here the moment any attack lands. And Kratos also has time slow and the ability to make himself phase between realities to layer his spear strikes.
I specifically remember a thread about how Kid Goku is going to survive high heat attacks and the thread concluded with incapacitation because while his fate manipulation prevents him from dying, Goku can still get beaten up and get tired.

Also... ALL OF THEM are his standard equipment? Including the Spartan Arms?
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I thought they were optional because I didn't see it in the standard equipment section, but damn my bad.
I guess even if speed were to be equalized, Kratos stomps due to a bucket load of powers and abilities that Goku has no answer to.
Hm. What would he do then? He doesn't seem to have many means aside from that.
Incap via knock out
 
Doesn't Soul magic have concept type 1, probability, mind/memory, soul, and info type 2 hax?
 
I specifically remember a thread about how Kid Goku is going to survive high heat attacks and the thread concluded with incapacitation because while his fate manipulation prevents him from dying, Goku can still get beaten up and get tired.

Also... ALL OF THEM are his standard equipment? Including the Spartan Arms?
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I thought they were optional because I didn't see it in the standard equipment section, but damn my bad.
I guess even if speed were to be equalized, Kratos stomps due to a bucket load of powers and abilities that Goku has no answer to.

Incap via knock out
Yeah, every single one. I listed the main stuff for brevity's sake in Standard Equipment but Kratos has always been a walking arsenal.

The only optional equipment Kratos has on his profile has an Optional modifier next to it, for future reference.
Doesn't Soul magic have concept type 1, probability, mind/memory, soul, and info type 2 hax?
Yeah, it does.
 
Took a glance at teenage Kratos's profile and, uhhhh
If speed doesn't get equalized right now, kid goku is gonna get speed blitzed.
Yeah just to make the fight more fair speed is now equalised.
 
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Alright, so Goku is barely 2% stronger than Kratos but that's not relevant given Kratos can hax him with Soul Magic on any hit that lands. He also has a Relativistic weapon that Kratos can't dodge but he can still tank it or block with his shield. (On further thinking, Kratos would only be able to tank since it can presumably attack from more than one angle).

Goku's best option is his lifting strength letting him just pin his opponent down but he doesn't often go for that apparently. Kid Goku is also more skilled to my knowledge, so he has that going for him.

That said, Kratos still has time slow, the ability to surround himself with an offensive lightning barrier, a shield that's even more durable and has a passive forcefield to absorb blows, and multiple danmaku options. All of which will likely kill (I'm not sure how well that Blessing is working against magic that can affect every metaphysical aspect he has).

Honestly, the only reason I think this isn't a stomp is cause Kratos has far lower range, and can technically be pinned down or knocked out.

Voting for Kratos.
 
Alright, so Goku is barely 2% stronger than Kratos but that's not relevant given Kratos can hax him with Soul Magic on any hit that lands. He also has a Relativistic weapon that Kratos can't dodge but he can still tank it or block with his shield. (On further thinking, Kratos would only be able to tank since it can presumably attack from more than one angle).

Goku's best option is his lifting strength letting him just pin his opponent down but he doesn't often go for that apparently. Kid Goku is also more skilled to my knowledge, so he has that going for him.

That said, Kratos still has time slow, the ability to surround himself with an offensive lightning barrier, a shield that's even more durable and has a passive forcefield to absorb blows, and multiple danmaku options. All of which will likely kill (I'm not sure how well that Blessing is working against magic that can affect every metaphysical aspect he has).

Honestly, the only reason I think this isn't a stomp is cause Kratos has far lower range, and can technically be pinned down or knocked out.

Voting for Kratos.
Counted.
 
Goku does have some win cons so it's not stomp. Also counted.
Kratos has no special immortality and regeneration aside from his one-time resurrection, so you can feasibly knock him out (it even happens to him in-game). Aside from that, Goku playing range game would be to his favor as long as he can end the fight or pin him down before Kratos uses Ray of Light.
 
I am confused, wouldn't the luck/fate thing make sure Kratos can never land a hit because that would be fatal to Goku?
 
Main argument yall are talking about is Soul Hax one shotting.
Setting aside that this likely isn't how it works for Goku himself, since he's been hit as a kid to my knowledge, Kratos has both time slow, a barrier that does offensive damage that he could activate, and an attack that Goku can't really react to.

Of course, Goku also has an attack faster than Kratos (the Power Pole) but I give it good odds on Goku getting close and being tagged before he knocks out Kratos.

Edit: Kratos also has Supernatural Luck with the Belt of Tyche to aid him.
 
since he's been hit as a kid to my knowledge
Not by instant death punches as far as I know.

I am just saying, the votes and arguments all seem to come from "Soul hax one shots" while ignoring how thats likely not working. Sure, maybe Kratos does win with time slow and his barriers but like... argue for those then instead of saying every attack would kill Goku instantly lol?

I'll wait for people who support Goku to come because Idk about him at all.
 
Not by instant death punches as far as I know.

I am just saying, the votes and arguments all seem to come from "Soul hax one shots" while ignoring how thats likely not working. Sure, maybe Kratos does win with time slow and his barriers but like... argue for those then instead of saying every attack would kill Goku instantly lol?

I'll wait for people who support Goku to come because Idk about him at all.
Why would Goku being hit by something he has absolutely no resistance to not do him in? I even asked as much about how it actually works at the beginning of the thread since his blessing has never encountered someone with that level of damage.
 
Why would Goku being hit by something he has absolutely no resistance to not do him in
I am saying the fact that he doesn't resist it means he would die from being hit, which is where the whole Blessing would kick in and warp the events so that Goku doesn't die. In this instance it should likely just make Kratos miss it in some way I'd assume.

Again, Idk about Goku so I suggest we wait for DB supporters to explain it better but from what I see it doesn't really have any limits that would make me believe a lethal punch wouldn't be stopped.
 
If that's how it will go then I guess Kratos misses some times then eventually parries an attack to stun him via Stunning Screech. He likely does this a few times, then realizes he's gonna keep missing killshots even in that state and just knock Goku out in his stunned state.
 
I am voting Goku he should be able to restrain or knock out Kratos before Kratos can miss several attacks, understand whats happening and then find a way to knock Goku out. His wincon is way more simpler and easier to me.
 
Kratos has far better means of evading attacks, including time slow on every parry, dodge or evasion, as well as stunning Goku on each parry. And he's pretty quick on the uptake that something is magically keeping him from landing blows on even a prone Goku.

But that's a fair opinion.
 
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