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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Da3ggman said:
Nah JJK gets what it deserves for being too wanky and rushing out upgrades as soon as they find something.
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That's true, but what I meant by "goes through shit" is that the verse is incredibly unstable. One moment, it's upgraded, the next, it's downgraded in a continuous loop, and no one is fixing any profiles (not that I do anything to fix them either).
 
One Piece quite frankly just faces an absurd level of scrutiny that I've never seen with any other verse which is funny when almost all it's calcs and scaling i've seen are safe lowballs SPECIFICALLY because they're trying not to wank the verse.

One Piece will be door level by the end of the year (my Blueno upscale agenda)
 
IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
One Piece quite frankly just faces an absurd level of scrutiny that I've never seen with any other verse which is funny when almost all it's calcs and scaling i've seen are safe lowballs SPECIFICALLY because they're trying not to wank the verse.

One Piece will be door level by the end of the year (my Blueno upscale agenda)
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Blueno created a Door World, so he's casually Planet level. Hell, he's probably higher because Door World contains the sky which contains the rest of the universe. So, Blueno is actually Universal.
 
IbukiDoujisGiantTail said:
One Piece quite frankly just faces an absurd level of scrutiny that I've never seen with any other verse
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Oh, trust me, there were ones that faced just as bad or even worse levels of scrutiny in the past. (Granted, One Piece was probably one of them, considering there was a time when no one was above small city level on here, if I recall correctly).
 
Kachon123 said:
One Piece has lwk been going through that since the forum shift
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Yep, The verse lowkey just needs to idek at this point, Lowkey when you actually look at things Any Supporter or person calcing or making threads would wanna quit, Imagine you get a thread accepted after 4 months, It gets implemented then it gets Nuked Some months later And then there is no replacement or solution to the problem. Like i said months ago You cannot Nuke Ap, Durability, Lifting Strength, Sizes Speed and every thing that can actually be used to scale a verse then provide no solution to the issue, leaving the verse in a ????? Position. Like literally what are we gonna do use Dressrosa Zoro Cutting Pica to scale Whitebeard then put far higher???
 
EtherealCrater said:
Like I said, everybody will be scaling off Kid Luffy by EOS
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With the way some people be wanting to scale the verse lowkey by their logic, Hody Jones would still be relevant in current onepiece andddddd I am of The Opinion That whenever Elbaf Is Done, when revisions are ready to be made (Which Honestly tbh no revisions should be made for elbaf if we are still having issues with pre ts Scaling calcs) some people might consider elbaf size scaling or its scaling overall an Outlier or just overall Impossible
 
We're gonna use GPE calcs for people like Whitebeard, clearly those are the only ones that work!
 
Frankly, at this point, it may be better to stop trying to use the size of the One Piece planet altogether, at least until we get more concrete info in the future.

For any feats that depend on the planet’s parameters, either find other methods that do not rely on them or simply assume that the planet is at least Earth-sized.

And yeah, I know this is a hard pill to swallow, and i don't like it either, but it is clear that there simply is not enough support from the staff members.

Continuing to debate this is only going to stonewall the entire verse for an indeterminate amount of time.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
Frankly, at this point, it may be better to stop trying to use the size of the One Piece planet altogether, at least until we get more concrete info in the future.

For any feats that depend on the planet’s parameters, either find other methods that do not rely on them or simply assume that the planet is at least Earth-sized.

And yeah, I know this is a hard pill to swallow, and i don't like it either, but it is clear that there simply is not enough support from the staff members.

Continuing to debate this is only going to stonewall the entire verse for an indeterminate amount of time.
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I would agree at this point. Like Kingtemp said about freezing the verse, until the end of the series, or just not using earthquake calcs until we get more information on the planet, or a better way to measure the size of the planet.

Also, we don't know jack about any top-tier peaks as the verse mostly uses AP. I do think calcs of new arcs should still be made, but the earthquake stuff should be put on pause and focus on non-planet-based feats like the meteors, new arcs, or even just updating the calcs for better accuracy.
 
Fwflygon said:
just not using earthquake calcs until we get more information on the planet, or a better way to measure the size of the planet.
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I think we still use earthquakes calcs but just limit to Earth's size for now, while taking into account that its a lowball.
 
EtherealCrater said:
Jesus man, we lowball everything we can and its still not enough for some people. Even the formula for the earthquakes is a lowball, it produces results lower than it should.
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Unfortunately that's the situation we are now, unless we are willing to freeze the entire verse in the unlikely hope that we convince enough staff members to our arguments.

But it doesn't seen like that's gonna be the case at the moment, so the only other choice its to suck it up.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Unfortunately that's the situation we are now, unless we are willing to freeze the entire verse in the unlikely hope that we convince enough staff members to our arguments.

But it doesn't seen like that's gonna be the case at the moment, so the only other choice its to suck it up.
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The OP acknowledged that Blue can be an exception with enough evidence. The fight isn't over yet.
 
Hey Idk how to get aproval to speak on the planet thread that's going on, but im pretty sure its implied that the one piece people (at least those who abide by WG rule) have a geocentric view of the solar system and thats why we never seen any other "moon" other than the normal one on panel. Not sure if has ever been confirmed but I feel like its a better interpretation since Oda never showed the other moons to us like he showed the Moon and we never ever talk about how having this many moons affects the planet.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Frankly, at this point, it may be better to stop trying to use the size of the One Piece planet altogether, at least until we get more concrete info in the future.

For any feats that depend on the planet’s parameters, either find other methods that do not rely on them or simply assume that the planet is at least Earth-sized.

And yeah, I know this is a hard pill to swallow, and i don't like it either, but it is clear that there simply is not enough support from the staff members.

Continuing to debate this is only going to stonewall the entire verse for an indeterminate amount of time.
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I think figuring out the planet size and scaling/stats followed by a discussion rule to prevent the verse being nuked every time someone blinks might be better. The major arguments against the Blue Planet being big boils down to personal incredulity because "The physics aren't realistic" and a new crt every so often trying to nuke the scaling without providing an alternative, so maybe the verse freeze (at least for stats) might be valid to then reach a consensus, implement whatever stats were decided, then a discussion rule on trying to do a new debunk on the scaling at least until we get some confirmed canon stats or new major feats
 
I got Blue to a pretty similar size to the current one using a completely different method; showcasing the consistency of the planet being absolutely massive and yes, I did pretty much plagiarize KT's version.
 
EtherealCrater said:
I got Blue to a pretty similar size to the current one using a completely different method; showcasing the consistency of the planet being absolutely massive and yes, I did pretty much plagiarize KT's version.
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Well, currently your calc is just wrong so right now it doesn't prove much of anything.
 
EtherealCrater said:
Wow, thanks. Very helpful. You could've at least gave constructive criticism instead of just saying "youre wrong".
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true

But I believe its the length from thriller bark to amazon lily that is being ignored (only using the width as if it's only a vertical distance from one another, although they still in the same area however)
 
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Red Line (347 pixels) = Distance between Sabaody and Amazon Lily = 88,905.6 km

Blue Line (261 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = (261/347)*88,905.6 = 66,871.3591 km

Green Line (12 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 66,871.3591 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/12)*66,871.3591 = 1,644,056.83 km

Anyway for the sake of lowballing we can assume that at bare minimum Luffy was flying at Subsonic speed, as we know that anything Kuma touch be object or people literally disappear out of thin air from everyone's else perspective, and as its written in Calculations page it requid indeed Subsonic speed aka 34.3 m/s.

Also if we can't prove that exactly 3 days have passed, i think at least 1 day as timeframe should work as we see that during that journey Luffy experience sunset, night and then sunrise, this matter as when he was send fly Sabaody was still in the middle of the day.

1 Day = 86,400 seconds / Faster than the eyes can see = 34.3 m/s

Distance = 86,400*34.3 = 2,963,520 m or 2,963.52 km

Red Line (347 pixels) = Distance between Sabaody and Amazon Lily = 2,963.52 km

Blue Line (261 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = (261/347)*2,963.52 = 2,229.0453 km

Green Line (12 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 2,229.0453 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/12)*2,229.0453 = 93,805.6564 km

As YmTheSuper show below we have an actual confermation that 2 days have passed from the events in Sabaody up to when he arrived on Amazon Lily

2 Days = 172,800 seconds / Faster than the eyes can see = 34.3 m/s

Distance = 172,800*34.3 = 5,927,040 m or 5,927.04 km

Red Line (347 pixels) = Distance between Sabaody and Amazon Lily = 5,927.04 km

Blue Line (261 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = (261/347)*5,927.04 = 5,927.04 km

Green Line (12 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 5,927.04 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/12)*5,927.04 = 249,429.6 km
 
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Quickly added another end with the opposite line.

Brown Line (29 pixels) = Max Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 2,229.0453 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/29)*2,229.0453 = 38,816.1337 km

Brown Line (29 pixels) = Max Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 5,927.04 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/29)*5,927.04 = 103,212.248 km

And instead we use the other ends with 3 Days and Speed of Sound.

Brown Line (29 pixels) = Max Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 66,871.3591 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/29)*66,871.3591 = 1,164,484.01 km

2 Days = 172,800 seconds / Speed of Sound = 343 m/s

Distance = 172,800*343 = 59,270,400 m or 59,270.4 km

Red Line (347 pixels) = Distance between Sabaody and Amazon Lily = 59,270.4 km

Blue Line (261 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = (261/347)*59,270.4 = 44,580.9061 km

Brown Line (29 pixels) = Max Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 44,580.9061 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/29)*44580.9061 = 776,322.675 km
 
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Well, one thing from these two calc is the planet size of a star. (unless you believe Kuma attacks aren't shockwaves)

Also, just to see something

299792458 x 259,200 = 7.7706205e+13

I'm not finishing that, bro. Or else one piece could be argued to have 30 different verses in this one verse.
 
Stefano4444 said:
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Red Line (347 pixels) = Distance between Sabaody and Amazon Lily = 88,905.6 km

Blue Line (261 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = (261/347)*88,905.6 = 66,871.3591 km

Green Line (12 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 66,871.3591 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/12)*66,871.3591 = 1,644,056.83 km

Anyway for the sake of lowballing we can assume that at bare minimum Luffy was flying at Subsonic speed, as we know that anything Kuma touch be object or people literally disappear out of thin air from everyone's else perspective, and as its written in Calculations page it requid indeed Subsonic speed aka 34.3 m/s.

Also if we can't prove that exactly 3 days have passed, i think at least 1 day as timeframe should work as we see that during that journey Luffy experience sunset, night and then sunrise, this matter as when he was send fly Sabaody was still in the middle of the day.

1 Day = 86,400 seconds / Faster than the eyes can see = 34.3 m/s

Distance = 86,400 * 34.3 = 2,963,520 m or 2,963.52 km

Red Line (347 pixels) = Distance between Sabaody and Amazon Lily = 2,963.52 km

Blue Line (261 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = (261/347)*2,963.52 = 2,229.0453 km

Green Line (12 pixels) = Distance between Marijoa and the Calm Belt's limit = 2,229.0453 km

Purple Line (505 pixles) = Blue = (505/12)*2,229.0453 = 93,805.6564 km
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Here's how I would personally calculate it.
The speed of travel:
We can use this part of the anime to find Kuma's speed which should be similar to Luffy's since they are using Kuma's devil fruit.

Frame 1, Frame 2, Kuma's size

in 1 frame Kuma moves from the point of coordinates 1222, 717 to 1217, 715 (in pixels)
d = sqrt((1217 - 1222)^2 + (715 - 717)^2) = 5.39px

Kuma height: 6.89m=13px
d=5.39px=2.86m

The video is 24 frames per second as shown here (The title of the video is misleading).

Speed: 2.86/(1/24)= 68.64m/s
The time frame:
Gloriosa stated that it took Luffy 2 days to arrive to Amazon Lily to Sabaody so that's out timeframe

Sizes:
Scan 1, Scan 2
Distance from Amazon Lily to Sabaody: 172800*68.64=11860992m=11860.992km=449px
Half of Grand Line width: 166px=4385.13km

Half of Grand Line width: 30px=4385.13km
Blue planet Diameter: 505px=73816.36km
Corrected planet diameter = sqrt(1-(tan(35)(505/773))^2/((tan(35)(505/773))^2+1))*73816.36 = 67126.43km
 
YmTheSuper said:
Here's how I would personally calculate it.
The speed of travel:
We can use this part of the anime to find Kuma's speed which should be similar to Luffy's since they are using Kuma's devil fruit.

Frame 1, Frame 2, Kuma's size

in 1 frame Kuma moves from the point of coordinates 1222, 717 to 1217, 715 (in pixels)
d = sqrt((1217 - 1222)^2 + (715 - 717)^2) = 5.39px

Kuma height: 6.89m=13px
d=5.39px=2.86m

The video is 24 frames per second as shown here (The title of the video is misleading).

Speed: 2.86/(1/24)= 68.64m/s
The time frame:
Gloriosa stated that it took Luffy 2 days to arrive to Amazon Lily to Sabaody so that's out timeframe

Sizes:
Scan 1, Scan 2
Distance from Amazon Lily to Sabaody: 172800*68.64=11860992m=11860.992km=449px
Half of Grand Line width: 166px=4385.13km

Half of Grand Line width: 30px=4385.13km
Blue planet Diameter: 505px=73816.36km
Corrected planet diameter = sqrt(1-(tan(35)(505/773))^2/((tan(35)(505/773))^2+1))*73816.36 = 67126.43km
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Nice, to be honest this may be the best version so far, accurate and size isn't that ridiculous for the standard of the wiki.
 
EtherealCrater said:
I've come with another end. The advantage of this version is that it doesn't require calc stacking, doesn't require pixel scaling, uses official/canon sizes, and uses official manga art. It merely applies a canon size/distance and pumps out a scientifically verifiable number.
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Does that calculator take into atmospheric refraction into account?
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Does that calculator take into atmospheric refraction into account?
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With the way its being used, I don't believe it matters. It is normally using planet radius and viewing height to find distance to horizon but we already have the distance to the horizon which can be reverse engineered to find planet radius. Atmospheric refraction seems to only affect the distance to horizon, if you're using planet radius and viewing height.
 
EtherealCrater said:
I've come with another end. The advantage of this version is that it doesn't require calc stacking, doesn't require pixel scaling, uses official/canon sizes, and uses official manga art. It merely applies a canon size/distance and pumps out a scientifically verifiable number.
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WAIT WTF YOU CAN DO THIS???
 
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