Primordial Chaos Energy Values

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@Agnaa @DontTalkDT @Qawsedf234 @Planck69 @Crabwhale @LephyrTheRevanchist @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @Mr. Bambu @Maverick_Zero_X Since you guys are veterans in the powers and abilities department, thought I should tag you to evaluate this.

Could you ping staff once more to see if there's some reason besides the given ones. I think its silly and a bit dismissive something stated can not be taken as is since that's what we already do for several scientific phenomena on site.

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT @Qawsedf234 @Planck69 @Crabwhale @LephyrTheRevanchist @Elizhaa @Firestorm808 @Mr. Bambu @Maverick_Zero_X @DarkDragonMedeus

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I think that we should only do so if a story itself explicitly treats the ability that way. Fiction generally does not follow real standards of physics.

Pretty much

 

[Qawsedf234]

Since you guys are veterans in the powers and abilities department, thought I should tag you to evaluate this.

In principle I think the power/statements are fine, but the only people who would qualify for it would be people who can directly manipulate the pre-cooling state of the universe or generate a singularity of similar magnitude.

I may agree with this as having such high temperatures would burn entire celestial objects completely by just existing. I don't think there's any character has demonstrated this kind of feat/statement.

This goes beyond that. The Bjg Bang is so hot that matter didn't exist in the ay we think of it. It took 300,000 years for the universe to cool down enough for hydrogen to form. Before that point atoms were physically not able to form and you couldn't see anything because photons couldn't be generated.

 

[Thermor]

In principle I think the power/statements are fine, but the only people who would qualify for it would be people who can directly manipulate the pre-cooling state of the universe or generate a singularity of similar magnitude.

Then what about characters that can exist inside the Primordial Chaos unharmed? Can they gain resistance to infinite temperature?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Then what about characters that can exist inside the Primordial Chaos unharmed? Can they gain resistance to infinite temperature?

If it qualifies for it then sure. Sometimes like black holes the Big Bang and pre-cooling period are sorta unusable due to how unrealistic they are.

 

[Arkenis]

In principle I think the power/statements are fine, but the only people who would qualify for it would be people who can directly manipulate the pre-cooling state of the universe or generate a singularity of similar magnitude.

This goes beyond that. The Bjg Bang is so hot that matter didn't exist in the ay we think of it. It took 300,000 years for the universe to cool down enough for hydrogen to form. Before that point atoms were physically not able to form and you couldn't see anything because photons couldn't be generated.

What are your thoughts on the different values? Since the very beginning is greater, 100s after it became much lower, unless there's a better timeframe to be used?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What are your thoughts on the different values? Since the very beginning is greater, 100s after it became much lower, unless there's a better timeframe to be used?

If you can see something from the Primordial Chaos (like its not a black void), then you'd have to use the universe as it was 300,000 years after the Big Bang I guess

 

[Arkenis]

If you can see something from the Primordial Chaos (like its not a black void), then you'd have to use the universe as it was 300,000 years after the Big Bang I guess

Wouldn't that not be the primordial chaos, the time where that undifferentiated, formless state of the universe that existed before the dawn of creation started to actually start forming itself?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wouldn't that not be the primordial chaos

That's my point if you can see the universe, it's no longer primordial since it means its cool enough for hydrogen to form.

 

[Arkenis]

That's my point if you can see the universe, it's no longer primordial since it means its cool enough for hydrogen to form.

Oh but this wouldn't apply to things stated as the beginning of the universe? Otherwise that'd just be ignoring the story.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Oh but this wouldn't apply to things stated as the beginning of the universe? Otherwise that'd just be ignoring the story.

Things are called Black Holes but have to meet our standards for them to be usable. Would be the same case here.

 

[Arkenis]

Things are called Black Holes but have to meet our standards for them to be usable. Would be the same case here.

Don't think I gotta point out how every depiction of black holes don't meet the numerous criteria without also having statements. But this presumably would just be artistic choices for most, not really a reason to dismiss a story's intent I guess. Also on the case of the primordial chaos being a black void isn't exactly correct. It's described as opaque like fog, it would be seeable from outside of it while inside it would be blinding.

 

[Planck69]

This seems rather redundant because "Primordial Chaos" can mean whatever a work of fiction wants it to mean (and often does), and with our standards of evidence, anything that would satisfy the requirement for this energy/heat level would do so regardless of this thread.

 

[Arkenis]

This seems rather redundant because "Primordial Chaos" can mean whatever a work of fiction wants it to mean (and often does), and with our standards of evidence, anything that would satisfy the requirement for this energy/heat level would do so regardless of this thread.

Depending on context to the story I agree it can mean whatever. This is more for a value recognized when it is the standard primordial chaos.

 

[Qawsedf234]

. It's described as opaque like fog, it would be seeable from outside of it while inside it would be blinding.

If you go to the top of the article you can see what I'm talking about

300,000 Years - First Light: The First Atoms form

Around 380,000 years after the big bang, the universe had cooled enough that atomic nuclei could capture electrons, a period astronomers call the epoch of recombination. This had two major effects on the cosmos. First, with most electrons now bound into atoms, there were no longer enough free ones to completely scatter light, and the cosmic fog cleared. The universe became transparent, and for the first time, light could freely travel over great distances.

Before this point, you could not see anything. Photons were not able to travel, and all particles were excited, meaning they could not emit radiation by going to lower energy levels. Until the universe cooled down, you would be unable to see anything because of how hot it was.

Don't think I gotta point out how every depiction of black holes don't meet the numerous criteria without also having statements.

Which I what the other user and I said. Just showing the early stage of the universe wouldn't be enough, you would need statements supporting it like black holes.

 

[Arkenis]

Before this point, you could not see anything. Photons were not able to travel, and all particles were excited, meaning they could not emit radiation by going to lower energy levels. Until the universe cooled down, you would be unable to see anything because of how hot it was.

I've read like two things saying the opposite. The nasa one says it was opaque and like fog. Instead, photons could travel just not far due to scattering, you'd see blinding light all around you, not a black void.

Which I what the other user and I said. Just showing the early stage of the universe wouldn't be enough, you would need statements supporting it like black holes.

Yeah, I am solely talking about statements for the criteria though. Since Primordial Chaos doesn't have a crteria listed from what I've seen, I'm surprised the visuals are being brought up as a reason against taking the statement as is.