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The Real World Discussion Thread

H3110l12345I20 said:
Athletic Human; generally when you're catching up to a bus you're hyped on adrenaline, so your body would be at 90-99% full strength.

Pretty much your sympathetic nervous system proportionally matches up strength with speed due to physics in IRL.
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The thing is - I was chasing the bus out of curiosity (basically to see how long I can keep pace with it), not because I needed to use it. So I don't think I had any adrenaline amp
 
AppleMaker said:
The thing is - I was chasing the bus out of curiosity (basically to see how long I can keep pace with it), not because I needed to use it. So I don't think I had any adrenaline amp
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If you weren't at full pential, then contextually you'd be Average Human tops in travel speed.
 
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Regarding the existence of Composite human: Part 2

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Composite Human & other Composites (General Discussion Thread)

So I started this thread because I heard composites were popular during their prime. Are they (or composite human) still popular? Is anyone even interested in composites nowadays? How many people miss composites on-site even when we could just make a serious one on JBW? Would anyone be...
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If you look at the records and testimony of composites and why people didn't treat composite human in joke battles as a legitimized continuity of the profile, and after looking at IRL history for quite awhile, I spotted at least why the move to joke battles was pretty much treated as a death of composite human.

A couple of details diverge regarding composite human
  • The main wiki while had a wild west fandom culture, still held at least professional honors in what character should be an official powerscaling profile. Considering the main wiki is pretty influential
  • Composite profiles as an idea existed for awhile even before the main wiki blew up.
  • Joke Battles was treated as a retirement home and delegitization through treating composites as a joke. Also considering Joke Battles may not have as much activity compared to the main wiki (VSBW) at the time despite it should having more activity than being just... near death today? I'm actually surprised Seol404 has trouble administrating stuff there for a brief moment if the wiki doesn't have as much activity now.
    • People irrationally never moved to JBW for composites, but then again, you can only put matches from main wiki profiles on JBW, not the other way around.
  • Composite Human was one of the last composite profiles on-site
  • Composite Human was treated as an underdog profile everyone loved to use
    • Composite Human relied on the inertia of it being popular to survive for quite awhile.
So yeah, I discovered a lot of composite human's "death" was pretty much legitiamacy and what composite human represented. I pretty much revived composite human's perception in JBW because the profile looks good, and I'll improve it in the near future.

That brings the question, what if in an alternate timeline CH stayed beyond it's traditional deletion date? Beyond this dude, there are no other historians of the site here, but what I do know is that the culture of the wiki is now more professional, and popularity doesn't last forever. So CH's booting out of the main wiki from a historical standpoint is pretty inevitable.

Composite tree's case is different, but nonetheless, it still had the problems of...
  • The main wiki while had a wild west fandom culture, still held at least professional honors in what character should be an official powerscaling profile. Considering the main wiki is pretty influential
  • Composite profiles as an idea existed for awhile even before the main wiki blew up.
  • Joke Battles was treated as a retirement home and delegitization through treating composites as a joke.
    • People irrationally never moved to JBW for composites, but then again, you can only put matches from main wiki profiles on JBW, not the other way around.
  • The Tree's profile relied a lot on it's reputation as a meme profile, a double edged sword for staff and users to try and keep the profile.
So eh, Composite Tree is still there, I'm planning to revise it with this revised profile. The Tree's reputation and emotionally attached legacy is just less of that than composite human. Some people like me may still care, but this final match up of Composite Tree gives me this match idea.

So with the current profile, does anyone think Eri vs composite tree is a doable match? And what does everyone think of my historical assessment of composite tree and composite human?
 
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H3110l12345I20 said:
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Regarding the existence of Composite human: Part 2

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Composite Human & other Composites (General Discussion Thread)

So I started this thread because I heard composites were popular during their prime. Are they (or composite human) still popular? Is anyone even interested in composites nowadays? How many people miss composites on-site even when we could just make a serious one on JBW? Would anyone be...
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If you look at the records and testimony of composites and why people didn't treat composite human in joke battles as a legitimized continuity of the profile, and after looking at IRL history for quite awhile, I spotted at least why the move to joke battles was pretty much treated as a death of composite human.

A couple of details diverge regarding composite human
  • The main wiki while had a wild west fandom culture, still held at least professional honors in what character should be an official powerscaling profile. Considering the main wiki is pretty influential
  • Composite profiles as an idea existed for awhile even before the main wiki blew up.
  • Joke Battles was treated as a retirement home and delegitization through treating composites as a joke. Also considering Joke Battles may not have as much activity compared to the main wiki (VSBW) at the time despite it should having more activity than being just... near death today? I'm actually surprised Seol404 has trouble administrating stuff there for a brief moment if the wiki doesn't have as much activity now.
    • People irrationally never moved to JBW for composites, but then again, you can only put matches from main wiki profiles on JBW, not the other way around.
  • Composite Human was one of the last composite profiles on-site
  • Composite Human was treated as an underdog profile everyone loved to use
    • Composite Human relied on the inertia of it being popular to survive for quite awhile.
So yeah, I discovered a lot of composite human's "death" was pretty much legitiamacy and what composite human represented. I pretty much revived composite human's perception in JBW because the profile looks good, and I'll improve it in the near future.

That brings the question, what if in an alternate timeline CH stayed beyond it's traditional deletion date? Beyond this dude, there are no other historians of the site here, but what I do know is that the culture of the wiki is now more professional, and popularity doesn't last forever. So CH's booting out of the main wiki from a historical standpoint is pretty inevitable.

Composite tree's case is different, but nonetheless, it still had the problems of...
  • The main wiki while had a wild west fandom culture, still held at least professional honors in what character should be an official powerscaling profile. Considering the main wiki is pretty influential
  • Composite profiles as an idea existed for awhile even before the main wiki blew up.
  • Joke Battles was treated as a retirement home and delegitization through treating composites as a joke.
    • People irrationally never moved to JBW for composites, but then again, you can only put matches from main wiki profiles on JBW, not the other way around.
  • The Tree's profile relied a lot on it's reputation as a meme profile, a double edged sword for staff and users to try and keep the profile.
So eh, Composite Tree is still there, I'm planning to revise it with this revised profile. The Tree's reputation and emotionally attached legacy is just less of that than composite human. Some people like me may still care, but this final match up of Composite Tree gives me this match idea.

So with the current profile, does anyone think Eri vs composite tree is a doable match? And what does everyone think of my historical assessment of composite tree and composite human?
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Yep, those profiles are way too high effort to be on JBW, which is already dying and barely have something funny on it. I think those profiles should be moved to Alt Battles, if they allow things like that
 
AppleMaker said:
Yep, those profiles are way too high effort to be on JBW, which is already dying and barely have something funny on it. I think those profiles should be moved to Alt Battles, if they allow things like that
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To clarify, the profile was formerly more simple when it came to JBW, I merely decided to make it high effort years later.

Plus, Alt Battles says no to composites, so composites are staying on JBW.
 
Anyone want to verify my stuff here first before I officialize it in a CRT?

Ok. From others and Ant's questioning in the real world discussion thread at pg 10-11, I'll do the changes desired there and other changes I've backlogged for way too long.
As a short story, I was looking back on one of my debates with one of my old friends on-site, I noticed an argument that bugged me. It went on...
"A historical event like the "horse holds their own, but is killed by a bear nonetheless" is outdated and old, there fore it doesn't exist."
  • While this is an irrelevant argument compared to what my friend was trying to argue and unconsciously defend, the implications of this argument is pretty high considering the framing for the IRL verse rules is framed as "you need science and credible sources for things to exist."
    • This may give the fallacy that since dinosaurs (or any old historical document, or prehistoric trace) are old, they didn't exist ever! The real question is "yes, any old historical document, or prehistoric trace" are outdated to the current way the world and ecosystems work.
      • When we're asking if a historical event existed, you need to verify if it did exist in the past, not that if it is relevant and modern with modern day. By saying some event doesn't exist ever because it's old, you're asking if it is modern, not if it existed in the past.
So I decided to converge on what makes something from the past (historical, prehistory (Earth and Presolar System, etc).
  • 1: Gather information and traces closest to when the event happened. Most preferably primary/direct sources or secondary ones that triangulate a consistent story.
    • 1.1: Have the source preferably the least biased and most neutral as possible. If there are no neutral sources, you might as well take them and try to form a neutral view
  • 2: Logical Consistency.
Regarding nonphysical concepts, logical consistency generally applies. However, to prove that if something like idk, a ghost, spirit, spirit world, resurrection, etc existed in an area, you'd need to include 1 and 1.1 as something to be not nonoptional to prove. Science is important for proving traces but isn't by the nature of the scientific method made to prove Irreplicatable events and things.

Sources to back up my new rules regarding irreplicatable sources:
Supernovas have already been taken care of in this thread, so I don't generally need to tackle it.

Ti is a relatively new user, so they're going to need a bit of guidance. Their change on the Spinosaurus is somewhat major visually, but doesn't fundamentally change what the dino is. However, I'd recommend reverting their change on the Spinosaurus size for now from here since it impacts their tier and Ti hasn't done a CRT on the Spino's strength.
  • For the deviant art sources, we have made an example of trusting Wikipedia based off of it's standards, but Deviant art has very different standards. The sources and edits related to each deviant art sources here should be removed. But keep the one from https://peerj.com/ (here) as it's a credible source.
 
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AppleMaker said:
@H3110l12345I20 is this a Street level durability feat or not - getting hit by elevators door, stopping it and getting absolutely no damage from it?
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1: Only staff can pin users to summon them.

2: Even without this scan, plenty of systemic-logical reasoning suggests on average, this isn't a very good feat.

Elevators are made to close so people or objects don't fall out and cause injury or mechanical damage. The doors aren't really very quick generally and people usually don't try to crush themselves. In the worse case scenario, a person accidentally gets "crushed" and the elevator safety mechanisms open, then the elevators hold back their max force as a safety feature (as usual) and the person doesn't have too severe injuries.

Let's say there was a human or mechanical error that allowed the elevator to use it's full force. The N would be 147-150 N at best. Imagine that under a meter from both ends; 150 J isn't too large of a feat.

TL; DR, tanking hits by elevator doors at full force isn't 9-C.
 
Be advised I'm not Aurora, but judging by the cat and fox's builds...

The cat is bulkier and as it also stated to be agile and also catch bugs, it should be comparable in combat speed to the fox. The fox seems to have better muscle stamina although I doubt it's going to do something meaningful before it dies to the cat first. Kitty wins.
 

What about adding text about spiked versions of Brass Knuckles.

images

First are modern spiked brass knuckles. They resemble normal brass knuckles, except their striking surface has small spikes on it. It has piercing, but mostly it's for smaller impact surface.

1347091637_05.jpg

Cestus was heavy, long leather glove from the forearm to the wrist, sometimes reinforced with metal and small spikes. It's essentially better, more protective version of brass knuckles, which are harder to conceal as tradeoff.

More powerful version however, are myrmex and sphairai, upgraded versions of cestus. Both are heavy, metal-reinforced leather gauntlets with lots of sharp spikes on it.. Said spikes are larger than anything modern pugilist would strap on himself. Main purpose of these weapons was to kill opponent as quickly as possible, right there and right now, stealth be damned, in gruesome way (because antiquity-era people like to see how gladiators gut each-other). This would definitely have piercing damage.

So overall, modern Brass Knuckles and antiquity-era Cestus/Myrmex/Sphairai would be separate Keys - and both have variants with Piercing damage.
 
Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer said:
Reposting again ^.
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Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_superlatives
Found another useful Wikipedia page containing links to possible/potential additions to the Real World.
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User_A_98732165489 said:

What about adding text about spiked versions of Brass Knuckles.

images

First are modern spiked brass knuckles. They resemble normal brass knuckles, except their striking surface has small spikes on it. It has piercing, but mostly it's for smaller impact surface.

1347091637_05.jpg

Cestus was heavy, long leather glove from the forearm to the wrist, sometimes reinforced with metal and small spikes. It's essentially better, more protective version of brass knuckles, which are harder to conceal as tradeoff.

More powerful version however, are myrmex and sphairai, upgraded versions of cestus. Both are heavy, metal-reinforced leather gauntlets with lots of sharp spikes on it.. Said spikes are larger than anything modern pugilist would strap on himself. Main purpose of these weapons was to kill opponent as quickly as possible, right there and right now, stealth be damned, in gruesome way (because antiquity-era people like to see how gladiators gut each-other). This would definitely have piercing damage.

So overall, modern Brass Knuckles and antiquity-era Cestus/Myrmex/Sphairai would be separate Keys - and both have variants with Piercing damage.
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User_A_98732165489 said:

What about adding text about spiked versions of Brass Knuckles.

images

First are modern spiked brass knuckles. They resemble normal brass knuckles, except their striking surface has small spikes on it. It has piercing, but mostly it's for smaller impact surface.

1347091637_05.jpg

Cestus was heavy, long leather glove from the forearm to the wrist, sometimes reinforced with metal and small spikes. It's essentially better, more protective version of brass knuckles, which are harder to conceal as tradeoff.

More powerful version however, are myrmex and sphairai, upgraded versions of cestus. Both are heavy, metal-reinforced leather gauntlets with lots of sharp spikes on it.. Said spikes are larger than anything modern pugilist would strap on himself. Main purpose of these weapons was to kill opponent as quickly as possible, right there and right now, stealth be damned, in gruesome way (because antiquity-era people like to see how gladiators gut each-other). This would definitely have piercing damage.

So overall, modern Brass Knuckles and antiquity-era Cestus/Myrmex/Sphairai would be separate Keys - and both have variants with Piercing damage.
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A Weapon Of Ancient Pugilists | Ann Arbor District Library

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^The website does not work, but it was talking about the Myrmex and Sphairai.

^This article talks about fictional versions of the stuff you're talking about.

I would advocate combining fist-loaded weapons into one article in general: knuckledusters, weighted sap gloves, gauntlets, etc.
I should say, however, there are weapons that combine different aspects of different weapons together.

Combination weapons - Wikipedia

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A good example in this context would be these:
en.wikipedia.org

Trench knife - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

(Again, Wikipedia and the Internet in general have a frickton of lists and articles on armour, weapons, vehicles, organisms, etc aka relevant stuff that exist that we could and should use.)
 
User_A_98732165489 said:
More powerful version however, are myrmex and sphairai, upgraded versions of cestus. Both are heavy, metal-reinforced leather gauntlets with lots of sharp spikes on it.. Said spikes are larger than anything modern pugilist would strap on himself. Main purpose of these weapons was to kill opponent as quickly as possible, right there and right now, stealth be damned, in gruesome way (because antiquity-era people like to see how gladiators gut each-other). This would definitely have piercing damage.
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en.wikipedia.org

Cestus (boxing) - Wikipedia

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This also mentions the spiked and bladed variants in passing.

List of premodern combat weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 

A Weapon Of Ancient Pugilists | Ann Arbor District Library​


aadl.org
^The website does not work, but it was talking about the Myrmex and Sphairai.
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A Weapon Of Ancient Pugilists | Ann Arbor District Library

web.archive.org web.archive.org
^ There's the version of site that works.


Push_dagger_2009_G1.jpg

Dudley_push_dagger.JPG

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Pata-1-Archit-Patel.jpg

Jagiellonian_Ms.Germ.Quart.16_%28Gladiatoria%29_55r_-_Messer_and_Hungarian_shield.jpg

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The even more powerful pugilist weapon is Push Dagger (2 pictures), Katar, Pata, Hungarian Shield and Lantern Shield. They're held in roughly same manner as Brass Knuckles, but their striking surface is one large spike.

They're just evolution of brass knuckles. See logical chain:
  • You want to punch someone in the face really hard. So you make a metal thingie with holes for fingers, for breaking bones. That's Normal Brass Knuckles.
  • You need more power of the strike - so you add small spikes onto brass knuckles. That's Spiked Brass Knuckles.
  • You need more power - so you make those spikes much larger. But then you remember that larger surface area means worse penetration - so you swap all those spikes for one, larger, pointier knife-like blade. That's Push Dagger.
  • You need even more power, and make blade bigger, altering handle to accommodate it - to size of larger dagger or even to size of shortsword. That's Katar.
  • You need more power, make blade the size of longsword, and place it on locked gauntlet for extra protection and weight. That's Pata.
  • Or alternatively, you graft good-sized blade on small shield. That's Hungarian Shield.
  • Then you make that shield bigger, spikier, edgier. That's Lantern Shield.
 
Yeah, that really needs to get up dated. Last time I checked it came from the tiger J value. However, aurora retracted the 10000 lbf statement on the tiger on the basis that it had no experiment and it was vague. I have an unfinished calc on the tiger regarding it smashing through cattle skulls. Doesn' anyone want to work on it to correct the rating?
 
User_A_98732165489 said:
What about adding grenade launchers to profiles of Longarms? E.G. GP-25 Kostyor for AKM, M203 grenade launcher for M16 and other NATO rifles, etc and such - all accessories should be covered.

This also applies to rifle grenades. E.G. Mosin did have rifle grenades.
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Order of magnitude - Wikipedia

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Orders of magnitude (disambiguation) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Category:Organisms - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Category:Armour - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Category:Weapons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Category:Vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Again, useful resources^.
We definitely should add and update the Real World Page, there's a lot of modern stuff that has yet to be added in general.
 
Hi @H3110l12345I20, is this tournament balanced or not?
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Probably going to make Son of Whyachi, DUCK!, Minotaur, and Deep Six from here.

For the record: In AP anything that is not a spinner tends to get 9-C results.
 
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FYI reaper man, you're implying the robot (Tombstone) is a glass canon that just tanks piercing and robot attacks.Yet most people would get the impression that an elephant could technically be a fair match against a robot the size of a moderately sized 10-B dog.

the AP and durability for both combatants need to have an equal chance of harming or incaping the other opponents. The best opponent I can think of are ones with an AP disadvantage yet not far down. Robot should still have piercing while the other opponents should still have a card that allows them to still harm the robot.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
FYI reaper man, you're implying the robot (Tombstone) is a glass canon that just tanks piercing and robot attacks.Yet most people would get the impression that an elephant could technically be a fair match against a robot the size of a moderately sized 10-B dog.

the AP and durability for both combatants need to have an equal chance of harming or incaping the other opponents. The best opponent I can think of are ones with an AP disadvantage yet not far down. Robot should still have piercing while the other opponents should still have a card that allows them to still harm the robot.
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Most weapons in battlebots that aren't designed to be gigamonsters like Deep Six or Son of Whyachi, vary from about 40 KJ to 70 KJ, and those work just fine even though OG Tombstone reached over 200 KJ with it's highest energy weapon bars.

It really shows that IRL does not care for your pithy tiering system lmfao
 
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