The Real World Discussion Thread

[AppleMaker]

Is this matchup considered fair or it's a complete stomp in raccoon's favor?

Battle of scrunkly animals - Raccoon vs Opossum (0-0-0)

Rules: Speed is equalized Battle takes place near abandoned building Both are 10-C and are the same size SBA Member of Guardians of the galaxy: The savior from Lyme disease: Cat victimizes them both:

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[AppleMaker]

@H3110l12345I20 considering you know how to scale the real world, is it really possible or some biomechanics are already exceed those tiers and require far better stats in the first place?

Is it possible for martial artist to be 10-C/10-B?

Fiction aside, is it really possible for a weak human to practice martial arts irl? Or you HAVE TO be somewhat strong/enduring to do that in the first place? And if yes, to which extent? Is it possible to 10-C human with Below average stamina and speed to stay that way, but have some decent...

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[Antvasima]

Should i start further splitting Real World guns into categories? "Smoothbore Guns", "Submachine Guns", "Rifles", "Revolvers", etc.

That seems unnecessary.

 

[AppleMaker]

So, @H3110l12345I20, what is considered Below Average stamina? Are there any Real World animals with such rating? Because I heard so many times about how "good" human's endurance/stamina is, and Average-Athletic stamina for most animals is really confusing to me

 

[AppleMaker]

Also could you get durability from surviving/deflecting lacerations/stabs/any other form of piercing damage?

 

[AppleMaker]

Also I think we should start to differentiate Stamina (how long you can be active) and Endurance (pain and injury tolerance). It feels so wrong when character/animal gets in such high stamina ratings because of the feats like "he survived X and walked away", while this character/animal barely exerts themselves otherwise and just so happens to have insane pain tolerance. Stamina section needs some revisions like Intelligence and Combat skill did (basically you can't just write "Intelligence: Mindless normally, Sueprgenius in combat" anymore, now you have to write combat skill/feats separately from intelligence section)

 

[AppleMaker]

And (currently) last question

Breaking bones with Lifting strength

Basically, how much force in kg is needed to break various bones in the body purely with LS/Grip, from the weakest to strongest (to be specific: bone that scales to 375 joules, arm bones, ribs, femur, bone that scales to 9920 joules and palm)

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Mostly interested in this, since I'm not sure - are humans capable of doing that or it's out of their capabilities

 

[Antvasima]

Also I think we should start to differentiate Stamina (how long you can be active) and Endurance (pain and injury tolerance). It feels so wrong when character/animal gets in such high stamina ratings because of the feats like "he survived X and walked away", while this character/animal barely exerts themselves otherwise and just so happens to have insane pain tolerance. Stamina section needs some revisions like Intelligence and Combat skill did (basically you can't just write "Intelligence: Mindless normally, Sueprgenius in combat" anymore, now you have to write combat skill/feats separately from intelligence section)

That is a valid point, but it would require absolutely enormous amounts of work to separate stamina and pain tolerance into two types of statistics across our entire wiki, and not give us proportionate benefits for the effort.

 

[AppleMaker]

That is a valid point, but it would require absolutely enormous amounts of work to separate stamina and pain tolerance into two types of statistics across our entire wiki, and not give us proportionate benefits for the effort.

To be honest, I thought it would be affordable effort to do this, considering there's already lots of pages where both Stamina and Endurance feats are presented and that new rules about Intelligence and Combat skill are already in use and changed a lot of pages. Basically "if we can do X, I guess we can do Y some time later", but I understand if it's way too much

 

[Antvasima]

Well, people are obviously allowed to separately describe pain tolerance and stamina values within the stamina sections in our wiki pages if they are very different from each other, much like we do for different types of intelligence sometimes, but that is optional.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Back in the house. Planning to refine verse-specific rules in the IRL verse on-site since I barely have time to do jack here.

So, @H3110l12345I20, what is considered Below Average stamina? Are there any Real World animals with such rating? Because I heard so many times about how "good" human's endurance/stamina is, and Average-Athletic stamina for most animals is really confusing to me

I know people long enough to know stamina is based off of intuitive common sense and what a normal person's energy exertion is capable of. It's vague but that's the point and a limitation to this to why statistic for stamina is only very recent.

If an animal's exertion is below that of regular people and most people would agree with you, then it's below average stamina unless we're forced into vague line territory.

Also could you get durability from surviving/deflecting lacerations/stabs/any other form of piercing damage?

IRL verse has very strict standards than in fiction, so pain tolerance for getting shot/stabbed deeply will not count. However if the cut is slight by most people's standards (akin to getting punched with little cuts/bruises) compared to the rest of the object's mass, it would count.

To be honest, I thought it would be affordable effort to do this, considering there's already lots of pages where both Stamina and Endurance feats are presented and that new rules about Intelligence and Combat skill are already in use and changed a lot of pages. Basically "if we can do X, I guess we can do Y some time later", but I understand if it's way too much

That's partially valid; if you literally look up any given definition of stamina, it's pretty much physical/mental exertion. Pain and injury tolerance would count for the former.

 

[AppleMaker]

IRL verse has very strict standards than in fiction, so pain tolerance for getting shot/stabbed deeply will not count. However if the cut is slight by most people's standards (akin to getting punched with little cuts/bruises) compared to the rest of the object's mass, it would count.

Well, I meant something like tortoises or armadillos being able to deflect bullets with their shells, despite being mostly 10-C overall. Basically, if a character/animal doesn't get damaged from slashing attacks, bullets and piercing damage - could you get durability from that (considering it's not invulnerability)?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Well, I meant something like tortoises or armadillos being able to deflect bullets with their shells, despite being mostly 10-C overall. Basically, if a character/animal doesn't get damaged from slashing attacks, bullets and piercing damage - could you get durability from that (considering it's not invulnerability)?

Depends on how much force is from the attack. The shell is by design made to deflect force back on the target meant to fracture the shell so it makes sense their durability is higher than their striking strength raw power.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Also, again, reposting possibly important links for Real World and Composite Human stuff:

Reposting again ^.

 

[AppleMaker]

@H3110l12345I20, I need your help

Is this considered a bone breaking feat or no?

Basically my father broke his arm by doing cartwheel (he don't have osteoporosis though). Should it count a street level feat or it's an anti-feat?

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[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Heaviest boat pulled

This record is for the heaviest boat pulled over 5 metres. This record is to be attempted by an individual. This record is measured by the weight of the boat. All measurements must be given in both metric and imperial terms. For the purpose of this record a boat is defined as a vessel for...

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[User_A_98732165489]

Heaviest boat pulled​

This record is for the heaviest boat pulled over 5 metres. This record is to be attempted by an individual. This record is measured by the weight of the boat. All measurements must be given in both metric and imperial terms. For the purpose of this record a boat is defined as a vessel for...

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IDK how to calculate towing something with wheels or on water.

Somewhere, i heard that you can carry 10 times more weight in gravity-less environment; towing boat on water is harder than towing something in space, so it's low-end. Which would give us: 10.3 / 10 = 1.03 Tons or 1030 KG, Class 5.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

IDK how to calculate towing something with wheels or on water.

Somewhere, i heard that you can carry 10 times more weight in gravity-less environment; towing boat on water is harder than towing something in space, so it's low-end. Which would give us: 10.3 / 10 = 1.03 Tons or 1030 KG, Class 5.

Heaviest aircraft pulled (male)

This record is for the heaviest aircraft pulled over 5 metres. This record is to be attempted by a male individual. This record is measured by the weight of the aircraft in tonnes, with the equivalent imperial measurements also given. For the purpose of this record an aircraft is a vehicle which...

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Heaviest vehicle pulled over 100 ft (male)

This record is for the greatest weight of vehicle that can be pulled over a distance of 100 ft (30.48 m). This record is to be attempted by an individual male. This record is measured by the weight of the vehicle pulled in kilograms, with equivalent imperial measurements also provided. For the...

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Heaviest weight ever lifted

Heaviest weight ever lifted

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Would probably make less sense though cause there's these^.

 

[User_A_98732165489]

Heaviest aircraft pulled (male)​

This record is for the heaviest aircraft pulled over 5 metres. This record is to be attempted by a male individual. This record is measured by the weight of the aircraft in tonnes, with the equivalent imperial measurements also given. For the purpose of this record an aircraft is a vehicle which...

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Heaviest vehicle pulled over 100 ft (male)​

This record is for the greatest weight of vehicle that can be pulled over a distance of 100 ft (30.48 m). This record is to be attempted by an individual male. This record is measured by the weight of the vehicle pulled in kilograms, with equivalent imperial measurements also provided. For the...

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Heaviest weight ever lifted​

Heaviest weight ever lifted

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Would probably make less sense though cause there's these^.

183.83 / 10 = 18.383 tons, Class 25+

 

[User_A_98732165489]

What about making profile for Pick/Pickaxe? Including one-handed pick and two-handed pick. Maybe also split proper war version (E.G. Lucerne Hammer) from industrial version (e.g. Mining Pickaxe)

In particular, "Great Pickaxe" can be as heavy as Sledgehammer while bing sharp - therefore, possibly, being one of the few IRL melee weapons to reach Street+ to Wall level.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

What about making profile for Pick/Pickaxe? Including one-handed pick and two-handed pick. Maybe also split proper war version (E.G. Lucerne Hammer) from industrial version (e.g. Mining Pickaxe)

In particular, "Great Pickaxe" can be as heavy as Sledgehammer while bing sharp - therefore, possibly, being one of the few IRL melee weapons to reach Street+ to Wall level.

I would agree with having a separate article for mining pickaxes (maybe other farming and mining tools can also be added)...
I still think the Spear page should be renamed Polearms and incorporate all types of polearms (spears, halberds and poleaxes/pollaxes and warhammers, glaives, etc).

Also technically certain handheld power tools can be both melee and ranged and I'd assume reach Wall level too, so I'd suggest those as well (not sure if the Chainsaw article should then also be renamed to Power Saws to incorporate other types of saws and other articles could be made for other potentially weaponisable power tools).

Power tool - Wikipedia

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Polearm - Wikipedia

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[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I would agree with having a separate article for mining pickaxes (maybe other farming and mining tools can also be added)...
I still think the Spear page should be renamed Polearms and incorporate all types of polearms (spears, halberds and poleaxes/pollaxes and warhammers, glaives, etc).

Also technically certain handheld power tools can be both melee and ranged and I'd assume reach Wall level too, so I'd suggest those as well (not sure if the Chainsaw article should then also be renamed to Power Saws to incorporate other types of saws and other articles could be made for other potentially weaponisable power tools).

Power tool - Wikipedia

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Polearm - Wikipedia

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List of tools and equipment - Wikipedia

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To add on to the power tool article.

 

[User_A_98732165489]

What about splitting "The Human Race" into multiple keys:

• (Optionally) Pre-Agriculture: anatomically modern cavemen
• Pre-Industrial: from early civilizations to Industrial Revolution
• Pre-Nuclear: from Industrial Revolution to nuclear weapons
• Cold War: from late 1940's to 1990's
• Modern: from 1990's to 2020's
• (Optionally) Future: according to most realistic, certain and short-ranged prognosis. So for example "what if Technological Singularity happens" doesn't count, but "what if Poland finally starts production of MSBS Grot Rifles" or "what if shipment of 90 Akeron MP's finally arrives in Luxembourg" counts.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

What about splitting "The Human Race" into multiple keys:

• (Optionally) Pre-Agriculture: anatomically modern cavemen
• Pre-Industrial: from early civilizations to Industrial Revolution
• Pre-Nuclear: from Industrial Revolution to nuclear weapons
• Cold War: from late 1940's to 1990's
• Modern: from 1990's to 2020's
• (Optionally) Future: according to most realistic, certain and short-ranged prognosis. So for example "what if Technological Singularity happens" doesn't count, but "what if Poland finally starts production of MSBS Grot Rifles" or "what if shipment of 90 Akeron MP's finally arrives in Luxembourg" counts.

It could work, the Composite Human also added characteristics of humanity across its existential timeline.
Also there's also timelines of the past and potential future in Wikipedia too welp.

 

[User_A_98732165489]

What about splitting "The Human Race" into multiple keys:

• (Optionally) Pre-Agriculture: anatomically modern cavemen
• Pre-Industrial: from early civilizations to Industrial Revolution
• Pre-Nuclear: from Industrial Revolution to nuclear weapons
• Cold War: from late 1940's to 1990's
• Modern: from 1990's to 2020's
• (Optionally) Future: according to most realistic, certain and short-ranged prognosis. So for example "what if Technological Singularity happens" doesn't count, but "what if Poland finally starts production of MSBS Grot Rifles" or "what if shipment of 90 Akeron MP's finally arrives in Luxembourg" counts.

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It could work, the Composite Human also added characteristics of humanity across its existential timeline.
Also there's also timelines of the past and potential future in Wikipedia too welp.

Besides, we do have profiles of WW2-era tanks, vintage guns, muzzle-loaders and even bows.

 

[Dil19-443343434]

Hey quick quetion but can we calculate the speed for a baseball bat combat speed by dividing fource with mass

 

[AppleMaker]

Hey quick quetion but can we calculate the speed for a baseball bat combat speed by dividing fource with mass

First of all - how did you know the force of it, without knowing speed?
Second of all - I guess you can?

 

[Dil19-443343434]

First of all - how did you know the force of it, without knowing speed?
Second of all - I guess you can?

Well look at the baseball bat page

 

[User_A_98732165489]

What about splitting "The Human Race" into multiple keys:

• (Optionally) Pre-Agriculture: anatomically modern cavemen
• Pre-Industrial: from early civilizations to Industrial Revolution
• Pre-Nuclear: from Industrial Revolution to nuclear weapons
• Cold War: from late 1940's to 1990's
• Modern: from 1990's to 2020's
• (Optionally) Future: according to most realistic, certain and short-ranged prognosis. So for example "what if Technological Singularity happens" doesn't count, but "what if Poland finally starts production of MSBS Grot Rifles" or "what if shipment of 90 Akeron MP's finally arrives in Luxembourg" counts.

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It could work, the Composite Human also added characteristics of humanity across its existential timeline.
Also there's also timelines of the past and potential future in Wikipedia too welp.

There were many "old-timey" timelines of future which didn't come to be. Steampunk, diselpunk, ray gun gothic, atompunk, etc.

There are also many timelines of future which are "modern". Biopunk variants, Cyberpunk variants, "We are going back to space communism" variants, Grimdark variants, Technological Singularity variants, etc. Each timeline and each aesthetic typically has different technologies and different power levels.

 

[User_A_98732165489]

Also I think we should start to differentiate Stamina (how long you can be active) and Endurance (pain and injury tolerance). It feels so wrong when character/animal gets in such high stamina ratings because of the feats like "he survived X and walked away", while this character/animal barely exerts themselves otherwise and just so happens to have insane pain tolerance. Stamina section needs some revisions like Intelligence and Combat skill did (basically you can't just write "Intelligence: Mindless normally, Sueprgenius in combat" anymore, now you have to write combat skill/feats separately from intelligence section)

Correct

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Correct

Also I think we should start to differentiate Stamina (how long you can be active) and Endurance (pain and injury tolerance). It feels so wrong when character/animal gets in such high stamina ratings because of the feats like "he survived X and walked away", while this character/animal barely exerts themselves otherwise and just so happens to have insane pain tolerance. Stamina section needs some revisions like Intelligence and Combat skill did (basically you can't just write "Intelligence: Mindless normally, Sueprgenius in combat" anymore, now you have to write combat skill/feats separately from intelligence section)

I think User used the in-text quotation in his message rather than replying to Apple to quote what Apple said.
As for my views on this:

That's partially valid; if you literally look up any given definition of stamina, it's pretty much physical/mental exertion. Pain and injury tolerance would count for the former.

Stamina

Stamina is the measure of a character's ability to remain active, exert themselves for long periods of time, and power through harsh circumstances. This general statistic encompasses a number of different traits and characteristics that operate differently, and that can thus differ within a...

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I think the same as H3 but would need to elaborate, endurance would be a subset of or part of stamina since stamina perhaps should mean, in this context, the ability to maintain any form of physical/mental exertion and capacity/capabilities (any form of activity at all) in all conditions for an indefinite amount of time.
In other words, we rank the stamina of beings/profiles based on how long they can maintain any sort of performance in any and all conditions.

You can have a being that is Tier 11 or lower in terms of size and that can do NEARLY nothing, but not actually nothing...
BUT they can exist and do stuff (even the most minimal of actions like moving, or for the case of living beings, being alive at all in general) in any state you can think of (no matter how damaged they are, no matter how inhospitable the environment around them is).
That would still be a valid and reliable/accurate and precise reason to give them a high stamina rating.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I guess there's a reason for no free editing of text size beyond the set sizes/limits, either too small or too big would break devices.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

@H3110l12345I20, I need your help

Is this considered a bone breaking feat or no?

Basically my father broke his arm by doing cartwheel (he don't have osteoporosis though). Should it count a street level feat or it's an anti-feat?

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What about splitting "The Human Race" into multiple keys:

• (Optionally) Pre-Agriculture: anatomically modern cavemen
• Pre-Industrial: from early civilizations to Industrial Revolution
• Pre-Nuclear: from Industrial Revolution to nuclear weapons
• Cold War: from late 1940's to 1990's
• Modern: from 1990's to 2020's
• (Optionally) Future: according to most realistic, certain and short-ranged prognosis. So for example "what if Technological Singularity happens" doesn't count, but "what if Poland finally starts production of MSBS Grot Rifles" or "what if shipment of 90 Akeron MP's finally arrives in Luxembourg" counts.

Ant went over this in one of the old threads. He declines on the basis that these keys are outdated, and it's implied we may not need them.

However, listing feats from those eras would be acceptable. The future is vague and lacking feats; the butterfly effect can wisk away some predictions as much as cultural inertia may keep them.

 

[AppleMaker]

Glad that you're back @H3110l12345I20, what do you think of my profile? Are my stats realistic?

AppleMaker

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[H3110l12345I20]

Glad that you're back @H3110l12345I20, what do you think of my profile? Are my stats realistic?

AppleMaker

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First off, off topic but this thread is also an avenue for verifying common feats in fiction. Not that you shouldn't go off of questions of answers, just merely another thread to get answers from.

If you're gauging your own profile based off of realism and not VSBW unwritten standards, then yes a lot of it is accurate. Long answer: I'll need to gauge what you unconsciously mean by accurate because do you want VSBW unwritten standards, or not on your profile?

 

[AppleMaker]

First off, off topic but this thread is also an avenue for verifying common feats in fiction. Not that you shouldn't go off of questions of answers, just merely another thread to get answers from.

If you're gauging your own profile based off of realism and not VSBW unwritten standards, then yes a lot of it is accurate. Long answer: I'll need to gauge what you unconsciously mean by accurate because do you want VSBW unwritten standards, or not on your profile?

Mostly I mean "are my stats overwanked?" on profile. But tbh I might downgrade my durability and upgrade stamina and LS (durability have way too many outliers and I'm currently worried to test it with 1313 joules impacts. Lifting strength and stamina most likely would get into athletic category, since I started working out 1 month ago and can handle my new routine + today I had severe nosebleed that covered my clothes, I walked several kilometers during and after that, also wasn't really weakened from it)

 

[AppleMaker]

Also what do you mean by "VSBW unwritten standards"? How much they could alter my profile?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Also what do you mean by "VSBW unwritten standards"? How much they could alter my profile?

It's an unwritten rule that everyone knows intuitively but expresses differently. TL;DR your abilities on any official profile on-site should be above average.

Meaning that a lot of stuff most people would dispute as average would be taken down from the profile. Although if you don't aim to have a professional looking profile, that's also ok.

 

[AppleMaker]

It's an unwritten rule that everyone knows intuitively but expresses differently. TL;DR your abilities on any official profile on-site should be above average.

Meaning that a lot of stuff most people would dispute as average would be taken down from the profile. Although if you don't aim to have a professional looking profile, that's also ok.

I was going for accuracy (since my stamina was dogshit and last year barely scratched baseline "average", while physicals are pretty decent). Currently I might upgrade it to athletic due to few feats and factors supporting that and also upgrade LS to athletic, but currently I don't really have feats for that (can't find stuff over 120 kg)

 

[AppleMaker]

How well 9-C's would roam the streets

Basically it's a thread similar to Mr.Burns one, but opposite. I'll take some random characters with 9-C tier on their profile and put them in those scenarios: 1. They'll fight unarmed 10-B thugs (105 joules ones) with equal speed; 2. They'll fight 10-B thugs, but they have knives; 3. They'll...

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