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I desperately need to play Part 2, don't I? Also CoF exists above the Tree like the Aeons. Kiana after merging has to project an avatar to be on the moon. The parallels are there.
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Honkai — Abyssal Energy Manipulation
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Can we close this already
Not only the op failed to provide proof and scan that say abyss = imaginary/path, but also horribly doing name fallacy and confirmation bias.
Plus current nature of abyss from new event in genshin totally debunk this.
Even if i pretend to agree if abyss was imaginary, saying nanook able to control abyss just because it's imaginary is totally bs, like even path itself isn't fully what we define as "imaginary" As whole, paths itself only "part" of imaginary elements, nanook can't control imaginary energy beyond his own path.
Saying nanook have authority over this is also horrible execution nether, it just like you saying nanook have power over all paths aeons and almost every single ability within verse just because everything made up and part of imaginary.
Not only the op failed to provide proof and scan that say abyss = imaginary/path, but also horribly doing name fallacy and confirmation bias.
Plus current nature of abyss from new event in genshin totally debunk this.
Even if i pretend to agree if abyss was imaginary, saying nanook able to control abyss just because it's imaginary is totally bs, like even path itself isn't fully what we define as "imaginary" As whole, paths itself only "part" of imaginary elements, nanook can't control imaginary energy beyond his own path.
Saying nanook have authority over this is also horrible execution nether, it just like you saying nanook have power over all paths aeons and almost every single ability within verse just because everything made up and part of imaginary.
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Tbf i think its more like IX has abyssal energy than nanook. IX is a direct reference to the soq and the abyss in genshin and the soq have like the exact same properties according to alice so IX abyssal energy should be fine (along with soq herrschers for future profiles) nanook tho nah
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Nihility and Abyss still function differently.
The Abyss has a will and wants to destroy and consume. IX cares for nothing. Heck being tainted by the Abyss is noted to make people more aggressive like with Tartaglia.
Mbpoops
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thats the exact same thing as the soq though which we assume is IX (though i am a bit spectacle, IX's description is a direct reference to the sea of quanta in constast to HooH whos is to represent the imaginary tree)
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Could it be that it is just a reference?
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it could be however theres the contrast to the HooH web of knowledge thing which is a reference to the imaginary tree but i would think its best to wait for the nihility arc before making this a thing
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Counterwank: The Abyss and the SoQ are described the same word by word in Genshin/HSR.
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yea so like i said they would be the same and by virtue IX would have abyssal energy. this is surtalogi upscale in disguise
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Watch Surtalogi go extreme diff with Nanook
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Bold of you to say Surtalogi won’t no diff.
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Following
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Abyss -> Described as the Primordial Chaos.
Sea of Quanta -> The Primordial Chaos itself.
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doesn't prove anything, primordial chaos is common in fiction
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Primordial Chaos in HoYo has been consistently used to describe the Sea of Quanta, and it’s not a term with a general meaning. They also specifically use the same CN word.
Burden is on you to explain why HoYo is holding the Abyss to a different standard.
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Yes, this is a theory and assumption that I mean, there is no literal statement that the abyss is soq.
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You asked for a literal statement that the abyss is the SoQ, i provided exactly that of the Abyss being called the SoQ. You’re now changing the goalposts. This isn’t a good argument.
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that's what should be done don't make me laugh if you want to compare something but even in genshin never discussed soq even once, wait until genshin discusses that
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Maybe because the sea of quanta has different names in different continuities??? (Abyss in genshin, primordial chaos in hsr, soq in hi3 etc
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This is it, friends, I've actually been thinking for a long time that the abyss/void realm in Genshin is a soq, but can we immediately claim it is a soq just because of its similar nature and name? Obviously not. Because that would just be an assumption and a headcanon. So, I mean, let's wait for clearer evidence, until Genshin really discusses the essence of the abyss itself. And indeed, there are some rather contradictory properties, can the energy in Soq be formed from unfulfilled destiny? Soq is a destroyed world, while the abyss can be formed from unfulfilled destiny
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Meaningless standard, and a fallacious one at that.
The Primordial Chaos is the SoQ. Genshin has in fact described the Abyss as the SoQ. “Primordial Chaos” is a HoYo specific term in a sense that it is not universally defined. Why should we consider an entirely different definition for the sake of your narrative, especially when HoYo could’ve made a distinction with different CN words but they chose to outright copy paste the same? Calling it headcanon without substantiating why doesn’t actually help the argument.
And the way Alice describes it just makes it sound like the SoQ too anyway.
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Mbpoops
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btw i think this should only apply to IX and nihility emanators and not nanook since they have more proof of being related to the sea of quanta than nanook and other aeons/paths
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Idrc about this energy cross-scaling thing, i mostly want to correct the information regarding the verse cosmology
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fair enough i just thought id point that out. im assuming you arent giving your opinion on the thread then?
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There are 7 pages, can someone give me a consensus or summary of thing?
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at least from my prospective, the supporting side says that since imaginary and honkai energy are considered UES throughout the cosmology, Abyssal energy would fall under Honkai energy due to deriving from the abyss which we know is the sea of quanta. honkai energy supports the sea of quanta and therefore High level energy honkai users and above (lord ravengers, and herrschers) should be granted abyssal energy. low level honkai users can be limited or just none at all it doesnt matter to me
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subsequently this should also grant Genshin characters imaginary and honkai energy as its only fair as a tradeoff
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It’s just called SoQ in HSR. Chaos is the generalized term
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Peoples now trying to equate abyss and SoQ when i get mocked by saying this back then
Keep it going so i can upscale nibelung and five sinner to L1C since they receive power from the deepest part and directly infinite amout of abyssal energy from the abyss itself that stated to be power that sustain all things
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Lowkey forgot abt that but still
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I said i was fine with this as long as its consistant with th cosmologyPeoples now trying to equate abyss and SoQ when i get mocked by saying this back then
Keep it going so i can upscale nibelung and five sinner to L1C since they receive power from the deepest part and directly infinite amout of abyssal energy from the abyss itself that stated to bepower that sustain all things
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As I said before, conflating two things just because they're similar in nature and have similar names isn't a good idea. Can't you wait for more information to connect these two universes?
Furthermore, stating that Herchers and Nanooks use abyss energy is an assumption and a theory.
There's not a single feature that explains this.
Furthermore, stating that Herchers and Nanooks use abyss energy is an assumption and a theory.
There's not a single feature that explains this.
Good idea
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Their cosmology doesn't even have anything in common, other than the developer's statement that Honkai and Genshin are in the same universe, when in fact, it could mean something else. Now, has the Honkai universe been largely destroyed by the Abyss?
While the Genshin universe has been largely destroyed by the Abyss, that's why Phanes created a new world for humanity to live in. Because the true universe outside the eggshell has been destroyed by the Abyss.
The Abyss is all over the universe, while in the Honkai universe, their universe is fine, with no signs of destruction involved in their universe.
Besides the conflict caused by the Aeons
this is a contradiction that cannot be ignored
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We literally have dev confirmation that genshin exists on the imaginary tree just like hsr and hi3. We also have otto looking into different realities and seeing genshin.
Its not an assumption if we know the abyss is the soq
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further explanation will not prove anything,
Now try to show me the destruction of the Honkai universe caused by Abyss
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I hope you know this kills your entire argument
Well it hasnt. Because welt blocked off the soq from their reality (another goat welt W.) mars is still affected by it but thats a different topic
This doesnt debunk anything
Again this doesnt debunk anything. Imaginary space doesnt destroy the hi3 or hsr world so why should we assume they use the same imaginary space? See how you logic falls apart?
What
What contradiction lol
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