Alastor CRT (Part 1.9/2)

[DaReaperMan]

I don't see the point in adding the tier 7 calc onto AP when we rate him as tier 5?

Tllm, be honest with me, despite it being correct, do you HONESTLY believe that tier 5 AP will stay on Al and Co. forever?

 

[OmenISTIRED]

I don't see the point in adding the tier 7 calc onto AP when we rate him as tier 5?

Its still a perfectly valid feat it should still be listed properly

Plus what Reaper said is very true

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I don't see the point in adding the tier 7 calc onto AP when we rate him as tier 5?

Add Low 7-C calc to feats​

Specifically this (ancient) one. We already accept that he crushed it and scale it to his LS, so I see no reason to not mention it as AP feat in feats section.

Also, it acts as a supportive (casual Tier 7 feat is supportive to Tier 5 no matter what you say) and as a safe tier to scale to in case Tier 5 ever gets nuked.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I don't see the point in adding the tier 7 calc onto AP when we rate him as tier 5?

You know good and well that 5-B Hazbin ain't built, Al needs a safety net BEFORE it's completely contested

 

[Tllmbrg]

Tllm, be honest with me, despite it being correct, do you HONESTLY believe that tier 5 AP will stay on Al and Co. forever?

In my heart it does.
Either way even if temporary, I'd rather not bloat the page just because we're scared there will be an eventual downgrade.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

In my heart it does.
Either way even if temporary, I'd rather not bloat the page just because we're scared there will be an eventual downgrade.

It's one calc, it won't bloat any.
If it were like 8 or 9 calcs, sure, but it's only one and it's great supportive

 

[Polastournecis]

(Riddle me this, Orange, why would be slide acroes buildings and shit when he can fly?)

Mostly agree with the rest, though iffy on some things.

Okay, knowing it's been fun and all
But this is MY shit

I caught a frame where he was hanging in the air here (pic 5 & 6)


Because Shok.wav is a flying monster and ******* it around within its domain is just straight up suicide, like a jetpack vs a B52, so terrain reliance is needed to outmaneuver it

 

[DaReaperMan]

Okay, knowing it's been fun and all
But this is MY shit

I caught a frame where he was hanging in the air here (pic 5 & 6)


Because Shok.wav is a flying monster and ******* it around within its domain is just straight up suicide, like a jetpack vs a B52, so terrain reliance is needed to outmaneuver it

The only one you can even argue in your group here as flight is the first one.

Abaddon already shot the rest in the head with a bolter.

 

[ShionAH]

Why did no one care when I brought up that first scene

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Why did no one care when I brought up that first scene

I think it's the fact you're in an Alastor thread, idk man

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Stealth Mastery - was implied to be able to hide from Vox for some time before eventually being found.

The two scans are on the same time stamp. Also I don't really believe hiding from someone for a while before being found is Stealth Mastery on it's own.

Also why does Vox links to an entirely different Wiki?

Smoke Manipulation - created some around his barrier.

These seems like shadows oozing up. They look more like black flames than actual smoke.

Tier 7 is not a supporting feat for Tier 5. And I do not think the prospect of a downgrade is enough justification to keep something like that indexed on a profile - I also don't think that the Tier 5 feat will be removed, but it might need a recalculation because there was a flaw that went largely unnoticed in how far the clouds were actually displaced.

Other than that everything seems fine at a glance.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The two scans are on the same time stamp.

Thanks for that, will fix it once I’m on PC.

Also I don't really believe hiding from someone for a while before being found is Stealth Mastery on it's own.

He literally hid from his opponent for extended period of time and likely deliberately let be found (his entire fight is a stage for Vox to believe he is weak). Pretty much Stealth Mastery.

Also why does Vox links to an entirely different Wiki?

Because my Alastor CRTs are typically copy-paste from what I have on my CSAP profile, so I occasionally forget to replace links.

These seems like shadows oozing up. They look more like black flames than actual smoke.

I’m talking about the bottom. There’s a green smoke.

Tier 7 is not a supporting feat for Tier 5.

Casual Tier 7 is supportive for Tier 5 tho. Heck, extremely casual 9-C calcs would be supportive for even Tier 3, since a high tier character can obviously do lower tier feats.

And I do not think the prospect of a downgrade is enough justification to keep something like that indexed on a profile

Feats section currently has exact same feat except without calc linked lol. Heck, the section even currently has Tier 9 calcs linked. Idk why y’all are jumping me for this right now but not in the past thread.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

He literally hid from his opponent for extended period of time and likely deliberately let be found (his entire fight is a stage for Vox to believe he is weak). Pretty much Stealth Mastery.

I feel Stealth Mastery is more nuanced than that. You don't have to be particularly resourceful or well versed on stealth to hide from somebody actively looking you from an extended period of time unless said person has something something that makes Hide and Seek unfairly easy.

I’m talking about the bottom. There’s a green smoke.

Fair enough ig.

Casual Tier 7 is supportive for Tier 5 tho. Heck, extremely casual 9-C calcs would be supportive for even Tier 3, since a high tier character can obviously do lower tier feats.

Supporting Feats exist to justify a rating. A Tier 5 character can indeed obviously perform a lower tier feat, hence including them in AP is redundant instead of adding up to the notion that these characters are, in fact, Tier 5.

I don't know, I just find it serves just to clutter a page instead of being actually helpful. But w/e. Feats sections are largely optional, so I feel discussing this is a waste of time.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Supporting Feats exist to justify a rating. A Tier 5 character can indeed obviously perform a lower tier feat, hence including them in AP is redundant instead of adding up to the notion that these characters are, in fact, Tier 5.

I don't know, I just find it serves just to clutter a page instead of being actually helpful. But w/e. Feats sections are largely optional, so I feel discussing this is a waste of time.

It's one calc, it won't bloat any.
If it were like 8 or 9 calcs, sure, but it's only one and it's great supportive

 

[OmenISTIRED]

I don't know, I just find it serves just to clutter a page instead of being actually helpful. But w/e. Feats sections are largely optional, so I feel discussing this is a waste of time.

Brotatochip the Adam mountain split feat was added back in spite of it meaning nothing, Hell it even got a whole new recalc, Adding Alastors Tier 7 Feat is literally no different than that except its an already reviewed and accepted Calc

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

It's one calc, it won't bloat any.
If it were like 8 or 9 calcs, sure, but it's only one and it's great supportive

When I say:

I don't know, I just find it serves just to clutter a page instead of being actually helpful.

I mean that the practice of sourcing feats belong your hitting level doesn't really serves a helpful purpose. It's a general statement. And as I said before, I find it largerly redudant instead of a useful addition.

Brotatochip the Adam mountain split feat was added back in spite of it meaning nothing

Wasn't here, and if it means nothing, then I believe it's not worth to index.

But like, as I said, w/e. Not the worse I've seen.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I feel Stealth Mastery is more nuanced than that. You don't have to be particularly resourceful or well versed on stealth to hide from somebody actively looking you from an extended period of time unless said person has something something that makes Hide and Seek unfairly easy.

Vox currently has Stealth for less.

Besides, a character who can transform into shadows being able to utilize great strength is only natural consequence of the ability.

Supporting Feats exist to justify a rating. A Tier 5 character can indeed obviously perform a lower tier feat, hence including them in AP is redundant instead of adding up to the notion that these characters are, in fact, Tier 5.

That’s why I’m saying include it in feats section.

I don't know, I just find it serves just to clutter a page instead of being actually helpful. But w/e. Feats sections are largely optional, so I feel discussing this is a waste of time.

They still require CRT so.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Vox currently has Stealth for less.

Y'know, being an acomplished serial killer actually makes a better example.

Or I don't know, not like I've tried.

That’s why I’m saying include it in feats section.
They still require CRT so.

Yeah, I feel that arguing about this is largely pointless at the end of the day, so never mind me.

 

[Polastournecis]

Introduction​

The remaining 0.1 will be downscaling to General of Excorcists, hence the funny title. Also, props to @DaReaperMan for better immortality type 2 stuff, and @Polastournecis for several abilities. They gave the ideas, so I felt that I have to credit them.
Anyways, to proposals themselves:

Skill Section​

Everything will be referenced of course.

Abilities & Hax​

• Greater Immortality Type 2 & greater Stamina & Limited Resistance to Regeneration Negation - could still walk and sing while sufferinga wound across his upper body from Аngеlic Weapon, and shrinked, although not fully healed, the wound solely via needles (which he magically creates) while Stolas needed hospital treatment to cure from wounds caused by Аngеlic Weapon. AWs are currently accepted to negate Immortality.
  • As suggested by @Anonymous_Learner, here is comparison of before vs. after. Also here is frame-by-frame how hit itself happened, i.e. clearly intended to be entire torso.
  • Additionally, black area around the wound implies that it shrinked as well.
  • Also, Alastor himself refers to it as scar rather than wound, implying that some degree of cure (as scar, by definition, is "a mark left on the skin or within body tissue where a wound, burn, or sore has not healed completely and fibrous connective tissue has developed").
• Conditional Sealing & Soul Manipulation - toppled ancient Overlords that ruled for centuries and used their screams to broadcast on radio, which is shown as soul screaming. These screams can still be heard to this day even as Alastor himself is fighting Vees. The soul screaming was supported by the fact that Alastor threatened Husk to "tear his soul apart" to broadcast his screams, which aligns with what he did to other Overlords (i.e., he puts them in a state where their soul is torn and they are in infinite torture). He also implied that defeating Vox in a fight will allow him to broadcast his screams in the same way as ancient Overlords, suggesting that he unlocks this ability upon defeating the opponent. This also makes sense since no Overlord, especially the one ruling for centuries, would willingly agree to being tortured forever.
• Intangibility & Pseudo-Teleportation - can melt into shadows to quickly move to different places.
  • Since some have doubts on whether he actually uses it as pseudo-TP, most notable moments of it acting as genuine teleportation are when he quickly teleported from door to smart TV and back, "greeted" Lucifraud, went from gang to Charlie's room to manipulate her, fleed being killed by a hair and later a dangerous attack.
  • Definition of pseudo-TP also says: "It may also be carried out at the expense of temporary transformation into a lightning / light / energy / astral entity (in this case, the character is able to partially ignore encountered in his way obstacles)." Which is textbook what Alastor does.
• Flight Supportive for Acrobatics - jumped up during the fall to attack Vox. Hovered in the air during his fight with Vox (this one might be cinematic time stuff but it's just supporting). Flew in the air after slicing 100% Vox in half.
• Levitation - levitated in the air while escaping Shok.Wav.
• Existence Erasure Supportive for Fire Manipulation - upon breaking free of his deal with Vox, Alastor erased the cables that were restraining him. Notably, he doesn't really use this in combat so idk, but the scene seems to suggest EE.
• Possession - literally overshadowed the environment during his battle with Vox. This one is also I'm willing to say I'm not totally sure about.
• Stealth Mastery - was implied to be able to hide from Vox for some time before eventually being found.
• Smoke Manipulation - created some around his barrier.
• Body Control - can contort his body into numerous unnatural poses. Can spin his head 180°.
• Natural Weaponry - Alastor's fingers are sharp enough to carve into a table, making them a dangerous weapon (pretty sure he used to have it, idk when it was removed).

Damn, neat work dude.
I was about to plan to add Body Control in the next CRT, but oh well, someone already covered it

I agree with this except one thing

• Levitation - levitated in the air while escaping Shok.Wav.

This isn't a full Flight? He glided away rather than just floating

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Damn, neat work dude.

Ty bro.

This isn't a full Flight? He glided away rather than just floating

I do think that’s flight but staff told me Levitation suits better, so I compromised.

 

[Polastournecis]

I do think that’s flight but staff told me Levitation suits better, so I compromised.

Idk maybe they have a point, but this seems to make thing more...confused than it is supposed to be
Like, what's the difference between Flight and Levitation here?

Also, i got the frame where him straight up flying to flee from Shok.wav

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Like, what's the difference between Flight and Levitation here?

It’s on the Flight page.

Also, i got the frame where him straight up flying to flee from Shok.wav

That’s what I linked too.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Current OP looks okay at a glance.

What has been agreed so far though?

 

[OmenISTIRED]

Current OP looks okay at a glance.

What has been agreed so far though?

Pretty much everything, Aside from whats been crossed out.

And i guess the L7-C Feat being re-added, but thats just some people arguing thats unnecessary due to the current T5 and that it might clutter the Page.

 

[Polastournecis]

It’s on the Flight page.

"Restricted flight - A form of flight time-limited or restricted in the ability to maneuver freely (for example, levitation)."

I can give you that but which limitation listed here?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Current OP looks okay at a glance.

What has been agreed so far though?

@AbaddonTheDisappointment agreed with everything in the current OP, most issues people had are what current OP fixed. Some people had concerns about putting Tier 7 feat into feats section, but that section currently has even Tier 9 feats, so they kinda conceded on that point. So currently, pretty much everyone agrees.

 

[ShionAH]

I disagree with EVERYTHING.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I disagree with EVERYTHING.

Yknow what **** you I am adding you as agreement too

 

[OmenISTIRED]

Since we have two Mod Votes doesn't that mean the changes can be added then?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Since we have two Mod Votes doesn't that mean the changes can be added then?

Hazbin is in controversial verses list so nah.

 

[OmenISTIRED]

Hazbin is in controversial verses list so nah.

So we need 3 then

 

[ShionAH]

We GOTTA remove it from controversial, it is NOT that bad

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

We GOTTA remove it from controversial, it is NOT that bad

No, no, it belongs there. Not only is it "controversial," it's pretty popular.

 

[ShionAH]

Not only is it "controversial,"

Ehh

it's pretty popular.

Not on the site it isn’t but whatever

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Not on the site it isn’t but whatever

Remember how I once said that Hazbin profiles are most popular in Tier 5 category? Yeah

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Not on the site it isn’t but whatever

Most popular tier 5 rn btw

 

[DaReaperMan]

We GOTTA remove it from controversial, it is NOT that bad

Shion. How many pages did that downgrade thread have?

 

[DarkLock92]

Shouldn't Al's antlers be part of his bodily weaponry? The other deer has that

 

[Reiner04]

Looks good to me

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Aaaand that’s three. Will apply changes once I get to PC.