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Alastor CRT (Part 1.9/2)

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Introduction​

The remaining 0.1 will be downscaling to General of Excorcists, hence the funny title. Also, props to @DaReaperMan for better immortality type 2 stuff, and @Polastournecis for several abilities. They gave the ideas, so I felt that I have to credit them.
Anyways, to proposals themselves:

Skill Section​

Throughout the series, Alastor shows exceptional mastery over his abilities and great competence in battles. Even while thinking his raw power is comparable to General of Exorcists and thus being casual, he demonstrated impressive dodging skills. He is incredibly good at taking advantage of opponent's "sloppiness" and distracted state, usually achieving that through his minions or tentacles, to land some good hits. Despite holding back, he still gave a decent fight against three Vees, greatly using his abilities set. He has good judgement calls in face of dangerous attack, teleporting away if suspicious. Even when Vox gained 100% approval and became the strongest Sinner, thus significantly exceeding Alastor in raw power at that period of time, Alastor was able to gain upper ground by constantly attacking him and giving no time to respite, eventually overwhelming him and forcing the latter to call Shok.wav to avoid loss, with Alastor himself explicitly mocking him specifically for that.
Everything will be referenced of course.

Abilities & Hax​

Little Human key additions​

Give him Fire Manipulation - intensified fire behind him by closing his fist. This makes sense given that he already has some magic, like summoning. Also, his Stamina should be Above Average, given that, according to Rosie, he was trying very hard to be the star of his own radio show, which would involve putting much more effort into his job than average person. He also combined that with killing and countless attempts to summon Rosie.

Add Low 7-C calc to feats​

Specifically this (ancient) one. We already accept that he crushed it and scale it to his LS, so I see no reason to not mention it as AP feat in feats section.

Weakness removal​

It is currently accepted that:
His magic is severely restrained, as shown by him struggling to do magic, and by him tapping on his broken staff as he does so, although this seems not to be the case when he is in his Demon Form.
However, in Intelligence, it is also accepted that Alastor was holding back and pretending the entire time to make himself look like weakened, so Vox buys into winning over Alastor and falls into his plan. So it makes muhc more sense that he faked this part, since in Demon Form, as it is accepted right now, he is doing just fine and never shows to be incapable of doing magic.

A bit of durability glaze​

Simply add that in his weakened key, he was only merely stunned from charged up attack by Vox. Charged up attacks are portrayed as more powerful than normal ones in Hazbin, since weakened Alastor was able to rip apart 100% Vox with his claws despite being significantly inferior to him otherwise.



Votes (staff only)​

Yes Alastor solos fiction (agree): 3 (@AbaddonTheDisappointment, @Random-Helper323, @Reiner04)
New guests for radio broadcasts (disagree): 0
Husk (neutral): 0
 
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Agree, 100%.
Just in case of potential rejection, place a scan directly comparing his injury right after being wounded by Adam to show how small it's gotten by season 2, there was a whole discourse in the Roaring Knight vs. Alastor thread about whether or not the wound was that deep The argument was mainly from ShionAH, ofc
 
Agree, 100%.
Just in case of potential rejection, place a scan directly comparing his injury right after being wounded by Adam to show how small it's gotten by season 2, there was a whole discourse in the Roaring Knight vs. Alastor thread about whether or not the wound was that deep The argument was mainly from ShionAH, ofc
Thanks and good idea, will do
 
I didn't really wanna put my foot into the actual scaling on this site(Plus given my acount is like a week old my opinion probably doesn't matter)
but a good bit of this shouldn't have been added awhile ago and the rest makes sense for most part.
 
(Plus given my acount is like a week old my opinion probably doesn't matter)
Don't worry it's not about how long you are here but whether you have some funny colorful lines under your pfp.
but a good bit of this shouldn't have been added awhile ago and the rest makes sense for most part.
So, given that your complaints are about things that are already accepted rather than currently proposed, can I simply put you to agree?
 
The remaining 0.1 will be downscaling to General of Excorcists, hence the funny title.
How bro felt dropping this
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Disagree with teleportation, possession(really? That shit is a reach, even for this shit lol), Existence Erasure(I would post a Hellsing abridged clip but in blunt terms... no, that's not EE. It's not an ability at all.), and flight(Riddle me this, Orange, why would be slide acroes buildings and shit when he can fly?)

Mostly agree with the rest, though iffy on some things.
 
possession(really? That sh*t is a reach, even for this sh*t lol)
Idk @Polastournecis offered this and it’s closest to it ig.
flight(Riddle me this, Orange, why would be slide acroes buildings and shit when he can fly?)
Should we remove his regular teleportation since he dodges instead of teleporting? That’s not a valid reason to ignore on-screen feats of ability lol.

But counted.
 
Flight...? yea no that's just acrobatics and stuff

rest should be fine ig?
 
I’m ngl idc much about this, but if it passes it’d be fun to have environmental possession so not removing that smh.
Just list it under his already existing darkness stuff.

As it stands, you still gotta make a CRT for the rest of the cast.
 
what's next? are we gonna index a character creating fire as reality Warping and quantum matter manipulation and antimatter manipulation?
 
Gravity when a person studies how to become an acrobat:
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Yea, and it’s indexed as flight.
No it ain't
 
Instead of just “i don’t like that” maybe give actual counter-arguments? How did Alastor jump mid-air despite laws of gravity? What was whatever he did to the rope that restrained him?
 
Instead of just “i don’t like that” maybe give actual counter-arguments? How did Alastor jump mid-air despite laws of gravity?
The laws of gravity require tier 7 stats to double jump. The laws of Gravity also wouldn't let two planets be that close together without them colliding. Hazbin Hotel regularly throws out the laws of gravity, oh... every single time we see heaven in the sky above Hell.

Double jumping is 100% acrobatics.
What was whatever he did to the rope that restrained him?
He broke out, not everything needs to be fancy schmancy hax, Orange.
 
The laws of gravity require tier 7 stats to double jump.
No? There is no fulcrum to do so. Just because you are tough does not mean you can generate Newtons at will.
The laws of Gravity also wouldn't let two planets be that close together without them colliding.
That’s irrelevant to the topic. By same logic, since VivziePop screwed up invulnerability hax, why don’t you remove all hax altogether? You are legit comparing two different logics from animation perspective: size of planets (many people don’t have any idea how far it should be and how big it should be seen from planet’s PoV) and damn fall (anyone knows that simply jumping mid-air is impossible… wonder why people were always scared of falling, died from it, and never said “uh I’ll double jump mid air trust”?).
Double jumping is 100% acrobatics.
Violates basic laws of physics btw.

Also we would have to remove Lucifer and Husk’s flight by same logic too.
He broke out, not everything needs to be fancy schmancy hax, Orange.
He broke out ye, but where did it disappear, that’s the question.

Oh and also be so kind to cover other flight justifications too since we are just ignoring them fsr.
 
No? There is no fulcrum to do so. Just because you are tough does not mean you can generate Newtons at will.
You wanna see a smaller visualization of how it would be to double jump?

To generate the energy to solidify the air under your feet, the energy output is on the level of a big ******* explosion, let alone jumping afterwards. This is one of those things that fiction ignores, just like Einstein's theory of Relativity.
That’s irrelevant to the topic. By same logic, since VivziePop screwed up invulnerability hax, why don’t you remove all hax altogether? You are legit comparing two different logics from animation perspective: size of planets (many people don’t have any idea how far it should be and how big it should be seen from planet’s PoV)
Hey Orange, want to know why you're staying on earth and not floating away? Gravity. You want to know why moons orbit planets? Gravity, want to know why planets orbit stars? Gravity. Want to know why Galaxies have black holes in the center? Gravity!
laws of gravity?
Oh look, you tried to use the laws of Gravity as an argument, Orange. Forgive me for bringing up the fact this verse explicitly shoots diarrhea all over the notion of the laws of Gravity in like half the ******* episodes
and damn fall (anyone knows that simply jumping mid-air is impossible… wonder why people were always scared of falling, died from it, and never said “uh I’ll double jump mid air trust”?).
Because double jumping requires big stat shit if done realistically.
Here's another character from a verse I didn't revise that's got Double Jumping under acrobatics and not flight. Now, I want you, TheOrangeGuy09, to pull me a profile that has Double Jumping under flight. Cause I've now established consistency. Now you need to do the same.
Violates basic laws of physics btw.
So does being FTL.
Also we would have to remove Lucifer and Husk’s flight by same logic too.
Maybe don't pick two characters who fly with their wings? Like, dude.
He broke out ye, but where did it disappear, that’s the question.
Where did the blood on Charlie's head go in the battle against the excorcists? Where did the wound Adam took from Charlie go? Where did the wounds Alastor took from Shok.wav go? After all for that last one we'd have seen his shirt ripped around the elbows and shit.

Oh right, the animators didn't give enough of a shit to keep things consistent or were on a time crunch.
Oh and also be so kind to cover other flight justifications too since we are just ignoring them fsr.
Clearly didn't catch the hint that I don't worship stamina debates with someone who, comparatively, I'd get more traction with talking to my computer monitor and the game it's showing.

I'm sorry do I sound grumpy? Cause I am. Have fun getting three evaluation staff to accept this thread. I don't particularly feel like putting a bad taste in my mouth by arguing with someone I know for a fact is a brick wall.
 
Oh i can already tell this is going to be a fun thread to watch.

Also any bets on how long until a Staff shows up or at all? Personally i don't think its gonna happen no one really pays attention to this Verse.
 
Also any bets on how long until a Staff shows up or at all? Personally i don't think its gonna happen no one really pays attention to this Verse.
This quickly aged poorly lmao.
Disagree with EE, flight, and possession. Rest seem mostly fine just glancing through it
Could ya explain scenes with EE & flight then? IIRC mods should explain disagreements, so I wonder how you interpret rope disappearing into green energy and then vanishing or Alastor jumping mid-fight and flying away from Shok.wav.
 
Existence Erasure - upon breaking free of his deal with Vox, Alastor erased the cables that were restraining him. Notably, he doesn't really use this in combat so idk, but the scene seems to suggest EE.
I think he just destroyed them with his magic, Idk why we'd assume he completely erased them from the physical plane lol
Possession - literally overshadowed the environment during his battle with Vox. This one is also I'm willing to say I'm not totally sure about.
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For flight why don't you just use this scene? @TheOrangeGuy09

 
This quickly aged poorly lmao.

Could ya explain scenes with EE & flight then? IIRC mods should explain disagreements, so I wonder how you interpret rope disappearing into green energy and then vanishing or Alastor jumping mid-fight and flying away from Shok.wav.
Flight other profiles already have it as acrobatics and we've consistently seen that he needs actual leverage like 99% of the time when he's doing jumps or going through the air, like in the shok.wav one. That shok.wav one I'm also going to point out looks like he's still just jumping between buildings for that, though it does kind of look like the staff controls his verticality a bit so I can see levitation or something

As for EE it just doesn't look like EE imo. He probably just destroyed it with his magic and if anything it looks like he burned them based on the effect which we know he can do considering he can create green flames
 
Flight other profiles already have it as acrobatics and we've consistently seen that he needs actual leverage like 99% of the time when he's doing jumps or going through the air, like in the shok.wav one. That shok.wav one I'm also going to point out looks like he's still just jumping between buildings for that, though it does kind of look like the staff controls his verticality a bit so I can see levitation or something

As for EE it just doesn't look like EE imo. He probably just destroyed it with his magic and if anything it looks like he burned them based on the effect which we know he can do considering he can create green flames
Hm, so would ya be ok with me adding jump scene as supportive to Acrobatics, giving him Levitation via Shok.wav scene, and replacing EE as supportive for Fire Manip?
 
I don't see the point in adding the tier 7 calc onto AP when we rate him as tier 5?
 
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