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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[Apex_Predator_GX]

This thread deserves more attention.

 

[Vietthai96]

NEP Types 1 & 3, Aspects Type 1, 3, 4 & 5 (life & death, causality, history, spacetime & laws)

Nature Types are fine, but i disagree with Aspect Types 1 and 3. Chaos is seemingly a place, realm, void. So as a structure, naturally it will not have soul or mind, this lacking have nothing to do with being NEP

Before you questioning, Aspect Types from NEP represent the lacks in certain aspects that neccessary for your existence. For example, a normal persom existence should have soul and mind other than physical body, pretty basic, so if they are lacking soul and mind (and of course not exist) yet still be able to exist, that mean they are a nonexistent being who lacking soul and mind that neccessary for existence. A structure, place however isn't need a soul or mind, it is naturally lacking those thing because it as a realm doesn't need them, so it is a void, then it would not having Aspect Types 1 and 3 due to not even hang them in the first place for its existence

Go back to Chaos, it is a "place", thus it doesn't even have soul in the first place, so if it is a NEP place, it shouldn't have Aspect Type 1 and 3 cause those aspect was never exist and neccessary for a "place" to exist

Also based on scans, CN statement posed by SweetDao and translation from both SweetDao and Unqver, it seems like Chaos "consume" here isn't literal erasure, but rather due to Chaos being totality of all thing, disorder place, a mess so people who in there lose all sense of thing and get lost. This also affect Void/EE hax resistance for Rover and Iuno i guess. Though i still can't access to the youtube video yet due to reasons

Also cause and effect, concept, etc.... still exist in Chaos, just a mess so i disagree with Aspect Types 2, 5 (Causality, Law)

The rest is fine

Edit: Okay i have watched the youtube video, and eh............i don't see erasure from it bruhh

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Nature Types are fine, but i disagree with Aspect Types 1 and 3. Chaos is seemingly a place, realm, void. So as a structure, naturally it will not have soul or mind, this lacking have nothing to do with being NEP

Before you questioning, Aspect Types from NEP represent the lacks in certain aspects that neccessary for your existence. For example, a normal persom existence should have soul and mind other than physical body, pretty basic, so if they are lacking soul and mind (and of course not exist) yet still be able to exist, that mean they are a nonexistent being who lacking soul and mind that neccessary for existence. A structure, place however isn't need a soul or mind, it is naturally lacking those thing because it as a realm doesn't need them, so it is a void, then it would not having Aspect Types 1 and 3 due to not even hang them in the first place for its existence

Alright then, can I instead give those aspects to the monsters who are pure embodiments of chaos since those are "beings" who would lack a mind and soul as a result of being pure embodiments?

Also based on scans, CN statement posed by SweetDao and translation from both SweetDao and Unqver, it seems like Chaos "consume" here isn't literal erasure, but rather due to Chaos being totality of all thing, disorder place, a mess so people who in there lose all sense of thing and get lost. This also affect Void/EE hax resistance for Rover and Iuno i guess. Though i still can't access to the youtube video yet due to reasons

It's definitely erasure, it isn't just "getting lost" otherwise Iuno would still be remembered by everyone. Her physical body would exist, and her frequency wouldn't have disappeared shortly after Rover tracked it down to her specter. I've linked another clip to better showcase this, still I think there is more than enough evidence even in the scans that blatantly state that she was erased like the one here. Naturally the erasure here is quite literal, added with the above clip is it more clear for you?

Also cause and effect, concept, etc.... still exist in Chaos, just a mess so i disagree with Aspect Types 2, 5 (Causality, Law)

Well yeah, its not like the argument is that they don't exist like pure type 1 NEP, just that they paradoxically exist and don't exist, the fact it holds both everything and nothing, is between existence and nonexistence, is both true/not true and finally being a totality of all the things in the verse is the primary proof of that, proof that I think is pretty strong. I had thought type 1 & 3 needed to both be listed/indexed (since type 3 is just a half state of type 1) but if it makes it clearer, I could just remove type 1 and leave type 3 if that's allowed?

Edit: Okay i have watched the youtube video, and eh............i don't see erasure from it bruhh

Chaos is a void of nothingness between existence and nonexistence and getting exposed to it consumes you in a very unique way per the gameplay footage, would this not be an extension of void manip conversion to nonexistence? Since it not only functions in this way, but the void manip page also mentions most voids functioning like this (sure there are exceptions) but this clearly doesn't appear to be one of them.

 

[Vietthai96]

It's definitely erasure, it isn't just "getting lost" otherwise Iuno would still be remembered by everyone. Her physical body would exist, and her frequency wouldn't have disappeared shortly after Rover tracked it down to her specter. I've linked another clip to better showcase this, still I think there is more than enough evidence even in the scans that blatantly state that she was erased like the one here. Naturally the erasure here is quite literal, added with the above clip is it more clear for you?

This is oke i guess

Chaos is a void of nothingness between existence and nonexistence and getting exposed to it consumes you in a very unique way per the gameplay footage, would this not be an extension of void manip conversion to nonexistence? Since it not only functions in this way, but the void manip page also mentions most voids functioning like this (sure there are exceptions) but this clearly doesn't appear to be one of them.

Generally speaking, no, not all void have passive erasure effect. This is completely depends on verses

as often interacting with a Void also causes one to be converted into a Void, although this may not always be the case.

Often, not always

Well yeah, its not like the argument is that they don't exist like pure type 1 NEP, just that they paradoxically exist and don't exist, the fact it holds both everything and nothing, is between existence and nonexistence, is both true/not true and finally being a totality of all the things in the verse is the primary proof of that, proof that I think is pretty strong. I had thought type 1 & 3 needed to both be listed/indexed (since type 3 is just a half state of type 1) but if it makes it clearer, I could just remove type 1 and leave type 3 if that's allowed?

No, for NEP3, it is that the character (or structure) exist yet paradoxically acting like a nonexistent thing. So you need to prove that aspects such as concepts, causality, laws also in these kind of paradoxical, that mean they exists uet paradoxically not exist when someone trying to interact with.

For Type 1 and 3, no, it isn't a default aspects to be listed, this is entirely depending on verse themselves to demonstrate what aspect said NEP character is lacking. And obviously thing that don't requires soul or mental for their existence like place, realm, building, robot definitely will not have those aspects when being NEP; of course unless the verse decide to go with the route "this recycle bin have a soul", normally? No. Aspect Type 1 and 3 mostly default to living characters, not structure, place, object. Of course it is understandable to think your way, cause we rarely indexing place, structure, realm on our wiki, let alone NEP place so it is kind of obscure knowledge

 

[Hecky2222]

@Reiner04 get your ass there so we will see three Aemeath pfps at same thread

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Generally speaking, no, not all void have passive erasure effect. This is completely depends on verses

Often, not always

Yeah I'm aware of that, I was trying to say that this seemed to be moreso a case of it being the former rather than the latter. However, if it's still not sufficient it's fine I can remove the proposal.

So you need to prove that aspects such as concepts, causality, laws also in these kind of paradoxical, that mean they exists uet paradoxically not exist when someone trying to interact with.

I had thought the things I mentioned would be sufficient enough, since it mentions being everything, yet of course also mentions it being nothing on a very grand scale. If it also is insufficient, I'll remove that proposal as well.

For Type 1 and 3, no, it isn't a default aspects to be listed, this is entirely depending on verse themselves to demonstrate what aspect said NEP character is lacking.

Alright, so it would just be NEP type 3 aspects types 4 & 5. What are your thoughts on granting aspects type 1 & 3 to the enemies who are pure embodiments of chaos? Since these enemies are ordinarily stated to have a consciousness just that it's entirely shaped and controlled by Leviathan.

 

[Vietthai96]

Alright, so it would just be NEP type 3 aspects types 4 & 5

Huh? NEP Type 3?. As in, Nature Type 3?

Aspect Types 4 & 5, yeah, it is oke

What are your thoughts on granting aspects type 1 & 3 to the enemies who are pure embodiments of chaos? Since these enemies are ordinarily stated to have a consciousness just that it's entirely shaped and controlled by Leviathan.

No?. Are they NEP or something else? Embodiment of something =/= being said thing

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Huh? NEP Type 3?. As in, Nature Type 3?

Yeah, nature.

No?. Are they NEP or something else? Embodiment of something =/= being said thing

They're NEP yes, pure embodiments of chaos, there is a section in the OP detailing it.

Rover and Iuno also fight enemies who are manifestations of Chaos itself. Furina003 brought up a pretty good counterargument which I'll add into the evidence, that is that monsters within Chaos shouldn't have NEP or ND since they are merely manifestations rather than pure embodiments of it. The proof that they are in fact, pure embodiments of Chaos rather than just manifestations is primarily shown in how Chaos itself functions. As when it comes to creatures in Chaos the way they manifest and most blatantly how Iuno calls them "Chaos" and says "It's Chaos. It found us" upon their appearance, would mean they should qualify as actual pure embodiments rather than normal manifestations.

Also cause and effect, concept, etc.... still exist in Chaos, just a mess so i disagree with Aspect Types 2, 5 (Causality, Law)

Also I just realized you disagreed with aspect type 2 but I never proposed that.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah, nature.

Hmm, i remember i'm oke with both Nature 1 and 3, not just 3

They're NEP yes, pure embodiments of chaos, there is a section in the OP detailing it.

I'm pretty sure that the "It's Chaos. It found us" followed by they are manifestation of Chaos just kind of mean these creatures represent Chaos itself, and they equivalent to Chaos in person, act as its avatar thus the statement from Luno. Not mean it is literal Chaos itself. This case is similar with Marvel's Manifestation Body of the Abstract. So personally imo my, they aren't Chaos itself but it manifestation that act as its representative

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I'm pretty sure that the "It's Chaos. It found us" followed by they are manifestation of Chaos just kind of mean these creatures represent Chaos itself, and they equivalent to Chaos in person, act as its avatar thus the statement from Luno. Not mean it is literal Chaos itself. This case is similar with Marvel's Manifestation Body of the Abstract. So personally imo my, they aren't Chaos itself but it manifestation that act as its representative

Ok, so no aspects 1 & 3 then. To summarize;

• Aspects Type 1 & 3, as well as causality & laws of Aspect 5 are removed.
• EE & Void resistance are removed.
• Frequencies will get NPI to Abstractions, Desires, Fantasies, Imagination, NEP Natures 1 & 3, Aspects Type 4 & 5 (life & death, history & spacetime), BDE1 as well as ND1.
• Chaos will get NEP Natures 1 & 3, Aspects Type 4 & 5 (life & death, history & spacetime), BDE type 1 & ND1.
• Rover's 2nd key will be given causality manip as well as limited HG resurrection.

If there's nothing else you disagree with, I'll put you down for agree after I edit the OP tomorrow. I'd appreciate if you could also mention some other staff in the meantime so we can get the ball rolling here.

 

[Vietthai96]

EE & Void resistance are removed

EE and Void are oke now with your new evidence

It's definitely erasure, it isn't just "getting lost" otherwise Iuno would still be remembered by everyone. Her physical body would exist, and her frequency wouldn't have disappeared shortly after Rover tracked it down to her specter. I've linked another clip to better showcase this, still I think there is more than enough evidence even in the scans that blatantly state that she was erased like the one here. Naturally the erasure here is quite literal, added with the above clip is it more clear for you?

This is oke i guess

• Aspects Type 1 & 3, as well as causality & laws of Aspect 5 are removed.
• Frequencies will get NPI to Abstractions, Desires, Fantasies, Imagination, NEP Natures 1 & 3, Aspects Type 4 & 5 (life & death, history & spacetime), BDE1 as well as ND1.
• Chaos will get NEP Natures 1 & 3, Aspects Type 4 & 5 (life & death, history & spacetime), BDE type 1 & ND1.
• Rover's 2nd key will be given causality manip as well as limited HG resurrection.

Yeah

 

[IStar0thh]

@Reiner04 get your ass there so we will see three Aemeath pfps at same thread

For a moment I confused Aliphe with Viett.

 

[Shiraito983]

For a moment I confused Aliphe with Viett.

What do u mean?

aight one more vote

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ok, so no aspects 1 & 3 then. To summarize;

• Aspects Type 1 & 3, as well as causality & laws of Aspect 5 are removed.
• Frequencies will get NPI to Abstractions, Desires, Fantasies, Imagination, NEP Natures 1 & 3, Aspects Type 4 & 5 (life & death, history & spacetime), BDE1 as well as ND1.
• Chaos will get NEP Natures 1 & 3, Aspects Type 4 & 5 (life & death, history & spacetime), BDE type 1 & ND1.
• Rover's 2nd key will be given causality manip as well as limited HG resurrection.

This is fine along with EE and Void.

 

[Mbpoops]

chaos atoms

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

This is fine along with EE and Void.

Thank you, this can be closed then I believe

 

[Shiraito983]

Thank you, this can be closed then I believe

3 page of bumping paid off

 

[Vietthai96]

3 page of bumping paid off

Did you apply the thread?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Did you apply the thread?

I ended up having to do smth real quick, I'm gonna apply it rn

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I ended up having to do smth real quick, I'm gonna apply it rn

Ok I kinda lied, I am now officially finished with applying everything. This can be closed, thanks

 

[Vietthai96]

Closing