Game-point; Ready...Slap! | Travis Touchdown (No more heroes) vs The Player (Slap Battles) | [7-1-0] (Grace)

[Thunderman101]

The behavior of an online community should not be treated as canonical information (unless you're telling me Master Chief was calling people slurs in deathmatches), plus what's meta in a game is rarely actually what's best vswise. If it's a game like an RPG where there's a clearly "best" set of equipment (like a sword with the highest attack or so on) it's fine to assume that's what they'll be using but otherwise eh. With that said if you want a character to start with the right equipment you can just make them do that, doesn't count for stuff like the strongest per tier thread but you're allowed to pick and choose equipment for vs matches

then would this match up even be able to be added if we dont even know what one fighter is going to do with his powers. Seems a bit unfair to give travis a free win like that

 

[Delusionaltx2]

ok i feel like my arguments havent actually been debunked and people are just going with the fra train cause they saw one side had more people

Now i've seen my fair share of FRA trains and i'll say this is NOT one of them

its a 4 page thread and nobody started voting until the very last part, FRA trains are usually way more blatant than that

Hell people are actually reading and addressing the arguments here too

 

[Kachon123]

Not a free win. Slap just doesn't have any prior knowledge on Travis so there's no proof he'd go for the specific combination of gloves that would give him the win. The fact that it takes more than a moment to switch gloves gives Travis a major advantage in the first place due to vastly superior skill, parrying, and time dilation. Slap doesn't have the regen to keep up with Travis's attacks, so it's just a very clear victory for him

 

[Thunderman101]

reading someone backpeddle to this extent is very frustrating

i have not been backpedaling i have consistently said he would start with bob

 

[Delusionaltx2]

then would this match up even be able to be added if we dont even know what one fighter is going to do with his powers. Seems a bit unfair to give travis a free win like that

Wouldn't this just be you and arkans fault for not clarifying that on the profile though?

Like In pizza guys case I straight up gave him a standard tactics section to prevent people from saying stuff like this, and in JPs case his moveset is so mind numbingly simple he just dosen't need it

 

[Delusionaltx2]

i have not been backpedaling i have consistently said he would start with bob

Dude...

Also to back up bob being used players typically decide to persue their opponent along with bob to slap them into his distance so i dont see how travis is going to deal with bob and the player, while half blined when the player has dozens of ways to just win such as gold transmutation hax, heat seaking para hax bricks. Bob just bfring him to the dark realm if he gives off too much power, just using elude to counter 90 percent of his stuff. For travis to have to kill slap he would qutie literally need to destroy him down to the bone as he can survive just fine without his Skin or organs, and that would likley take a while and slaps not just gonna let him do that. Send him to the redacted dimension (doubt this would would because lifting strength unless slap directly hit him into it)) Hit him with reaper and just run till death hax takes place (one of the most popular strats in the game btw). Reverse his attacks back on him with reverse or just use el gato to heal back to full hp. If travis starts wailing on slap in one place bobs going to take a u turn and go after him forcing travis to eventually get off of slap. Get easy incons with link and sbeve. Megarock is a great wincon and slap is willing to wait in a rock for ten hours so. He can stun travis with stun. Rob is just bob but better in this scenario. Slow down him with shard. (oh yeah also smiler is just an easy gg cause skin removal). Confusion screws over travis senses, nightmare is passive illusion creation if travis gets close. He has a auto trackign transmutation bullet thta he can snipe people hundreds of miles away with. Jester to make him dance to his death. Alchemist to make potions to continously buff himself while debuffing travis (Saves through gloves).

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wouldn't this just be you and arkans fault for not clarifying that on the profile though?

Like In pizza guys case I straight up gave him a standard tactics section to prevent people from saying stuff like this, and in JPs case his moveset is so mind numbingly simple he just dosen't need it

And the funny thing is with Pizza is that he does have a proper reason to have a standard tactics section. It's not hard to realize that guy with gun is going to shoot gun.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

And the funny thing is with Pizza is that he does have a proper reason to have a standard tactics section. It's not hard to realize that guy with gun is going to shoot gun.

tbf with pizza guy he has a ton of guns and weapons so there's still the question on what he'll use

That said the standard tactics section says he leads with C&R and switches between other weapons from there

 

[Thunderman101]

Now i've seen my fair share of FRA trains and i'll say this is NOT one of them

its a 4 page thread and nobody started voting until the very last part, FRA trains are usually way more blatant than that

Hell people are actually reading and addressing the arguments here too

yeah, 3 people have adressed the arguments

Not a free win. Slap just doesn't have any prior knowledge on Travis so there's no proof he'd go for the specific combination of gloves that would give him the win. The fact that it takes more than a moment to switch gloves gives Travis a major advantage in the first place due to vastly superior skill, parrying, and time dilation. Slap doesn't have the regen to keep up with Travis's attacks, so it's just a very clear victory for him

not nessecarily, the argument shifted from travis blitzes slap to "we should roll a 200 sided die to decide what slap would do". The argument he wouldnt know what to do is contradicted by you guys insisting that slap does not know how to do stuff in character (even though i hve showeded several options of him using different objects for different situations

Dude...

I quite literally have been bringing bob up in all my arguments as slaps first pick, me brining up other wincos (something you asked to happen by the way), is not me backpedaling

Wouldn't this just be you and arkans fault for not clarifying that on the profile though?

Like In pizza guys case I straight up gave him a standard tactics section to prevent people from saying stuff like this, and in JPs case his moveset is so mind numbingly simple he just dosen't need it

This dosent work because pizza guys standard tatics are also based on what a player would not and not what the character would do

 

[Armorchompy]

In this case though i feel like this should be treated as an exception since whats used the most in sandbox video games is dependent on the community while games like HALO have actual lore that tells us what the characters would do

I get the argument that there's nothing else left but I don't think this exists as a canon aspect of the story. My suggestion would be if there's a "standard" default loadout of some kind they start with that, unless it's like purposefully bad equipment in which case I think you're outta luck.

Yeah this kinda where i'm getting at and I agree it wouldn't be the best vswise, but it would be a far more consistent lead than just having people say "they'll lead with this!" only to then say "no actually they'll lead with that" and then later say "actually nvm they'll lead with Z!"

It would but I still don't think the actual basis for finding it is viable.

I feel like it would be more fitting if the character just uses what their known for using in threads than just cherry picking the equitment

Inevitably there's never gonna be a perfect solution, I think "good in-series weapon" is a good neutral starting point for a vs match, I take issue with it being codified on profiles

 

[DaReaperMan]

tbf with pizza guy he has a ton of guns and weapons so there's still the question on what he'll use

That said the standard tactics section says he leads with C&R and switches between other weapons from there

Basically the common sense option. He leads with the guns he has infinite ammo on and switches based on what the situation calls for.

I may have my issues with pizza guy, but his Standard Tactics was never one of them. Shit is genuinely straightforward and makes sense as a baseline.

yeah, 3 people have adressed the arguments

People are allowed to lurk, Thunder. Unless you really want to debate like 5 people at once.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yeah, 3 people have adressed the arguments

yeah I feel like thats more than enough to say this isn't an FRA train

not nessecarily, the argument shifted from travis blitzes slap to "we should roll a 200 sided die to decide what slap would do".

yeah because if slap dosen't switch to the right glove fast enough then travis would just cut him down

The argument he wouldnt know what to do is contradicted by you guys insisting that slap does not know how to do stuff in character (even though i hve showeded several options of him using different objects for different situations

People aren't really asking what slap would do in different situations people are asking what he would do here

I quite literally have been bringing bob up in all my arguments as slaps first pick, me brining up other wincos (something you asked to happen by the way), is not me backpedaling

again...

Also to back up bob being used players typically decide to persue their opponent along with bob to slap them into his distance so i dont see how travis is going to deal with bob and the player, while half blined when the player has dozens of ways to just win such as gold transmutation hax, heat seaking para hax bricks. Bob just bfring him to the dark realm if he gives off too much power, just using elude to counter 90 percent of his stuff. For travis to have to kill slap he would qutie literally need to destroy him down to the bone as he can survive just fine without his Skin or organs, and that would likley take a while and slaps not just gonna let him do that. Send him to the redacted dimension (doubt this would would because lifting strength unless slap directly hit him into it)) Hit him with reaper and just run till death hax takes place (one of the most popular strats in the game btw). Reverse his attacks back on him with reverse or just use el gato to heal back to full hp. If travis starts wailing on slap in one place bobs going to take a u turn and go after him forcing travis to eventually get off of slap. Get easy incons with link and sbeve. Megarock is a great wincon and slap is willing to wait in a rock for ten hours so. He can stun travis with stun. Rob is just bob but better in this scenario. Slow down him with shard. (oh yeah also smiler is just an easy gg cause skin removal). Confusion screws over travis senses, nightmare is passive illusion creation if travis gets close. He has a auto trackign transmutation bullet thta he can snipe people hundreds of miles away with. Jester to make him dance to his death. Alchemist to make potions to continously buff himself while debuffing travis (Saves through gloves).

This dosent work because pizza guys standard tatics are also based on what a player would not and not what the character would do

The player in this instance IS the character which is why it works

 

[Thunderman101]

Bob is literally brought up in the very first sentence of the yap session i wrote idk youre getting at here. The other stuff is what slap could do after he summons bob

yeah because if slap dosen't switch to the right glove fast enough then travis would just cut him down

takes 2 seconds max to switch to a gloe and type two imortality. This is also assuming slap just stands there and dosent run away (which he is more thn capable of with something like adios), when he realises hes outskilled

Basically the common sense option. He leads with the guns he has infinite ammo on and switches based on what the situation calls for.

I may have my issues with pizza guy, but his Standard Tactics was never one of them. Shit is genuinely straightforward and makes sense as a baseline.

People are allowed to lurk, Thunder. Unless you really want to debate like 5 people at once.

So pizza guy using his infinite ammo gloves=common sense but slap using a one shot glove=not common sense. Blatant hypocrisy

People aren't really asking what slap would do in different situations people are asking what he would do here

he would pick something to counter his opponent the same way he picks things to counter others. uses a lantern to see in the dark plungrs to cimb the obby etc and the reverse bubble option i showed that was actually pvp depened but got ignored. If he sees travis ssues a beam saber hed prob switch to something like elude (after he summons bob which i explained why he would)

People aren't really asking what slap would do in different situations people are asking what he would do here

and i show, he would likley go for a one shot to have the fight ended quickly

 

[DaReaperMan]

So pizza guy using his infinite ammo gloves=common sense but slap using a one shot glove=not common sense. Blatant hypocrisy

Does he KNOW the glove is a one-shot on Travis, or that his dumb ass would get leglock full Nelson'd for trying dumb shit? Nnnnope!

Does man with gun shooting gun not make sense? What else is he gonna do, rub one out? Maybe flirt with the demons and possessed people?

 

[Thunderman101]

Does he KNOW the glove is a one-shot on Travis, or that his dumb ass would get leglock full Nelson'd for trying dumb shit? Nnnnope!

Does man with gun shooting gun not make sense? What else is he gonna do, rub one out? Maybe flirt with the demons and possessed people?

he would at the very least assume that it would one shot as it does to other players in his game, does man with glove not slapping with his strongest glove not making sense? most of the one shots i brough up would actually one shot travis

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Bob is literally brought up in the very first sentence of the yap session i wrote idk youre getting at here. The other stuff is what slap could do after he summons bob

You were literally bringing up these things as seperate winconditions though

takes 2 seconds max to switch to a gloe and type two imortality.

and it only takes AT MOST one for travis to swing

This is also assuming slap just stands there and dosent run away (which he is more thn capable of with something like adios), when he realises hes outskilled

The main point of armours argument was that he wouldn't have enough time to realize

So pizza guy using his infinite ammo gloves=common sense but slap using a one shot glove=not common sense. Blatant hypocrisy

Because pizza using his guns is more easy to understand since thats his primary source of damage throughout the entire game...

Slap has 16+ one shot gloves that all one shot in a variety of different ways it is way more complex than just "I have a gun so i'll shoot, if that dosen't work i'll use another one"

he would pick something to counter his opponent the same way he picks things to counter others.

Like armour said, how would he know what gloves counter travis?

uses a lantern to see in the dark plungrs to cimb the obby etc and the reverse bubble option i showed that was actually pvp depened but got ignored.

these aren't standard...

If he sees travis ssues a beam saber hed prob switch to something like elude (after he summons bob which i explained why he would)

again he'd have to switch before travis cuts him

and i show, he would likley go for a one shot to have the fight ended quickly

ESP, IA, ANPR, and a bit of time dialation...anyone with a fucntioning braincell can see why landing overkill on its own would basically be impossible

 

[Delusionaltx2]

he would at the very least assume that it would one shot as it does to other players in his game,

yeah and he's gonna try mindlessly running up to travis while unaware of the skill advantage

does man with glove not slapping with his strongest glove not making sense? most of the one shots i brough up would actually one shot travis

again he does not know travis can dodge it, nor does he know travis can actually harm them

 

[Thunderman101]

You were literally bringing up these things as seperate winconditions though

and it only takes AT MOST one for travis to swing

The main point of armours argument was that he wouldn't have enough time to realize

Because pizza using his guns is more easy to understand since thats his primary source of damage throughout the entire game...

Slap has 16+ one shot gloves that all one shot in a variety of different ways it is way more complex than just "I have a gun so i'll shoot, if that dosen't work i'll use another one"

Like armour said, how would he know what gloves counter travis?

these aren't standard...

again he'd have to switch before travis cuts him

ESP, IA, ANPR, and a bit of time dialation...anyone with a fucntioning braincell can see why landing overkill on its own would basically be impossible

How would he not have enough time to realize HIS LIMBS ARE BEING CUT OFF. He would not know what gloves counter travis and thats not what im saying, im saying he would pick the gloves that are grunteed to kill travis (flex, error bob), and not the ones that would just knock him far back (gods hand)> I am not sayign they are standard and slap should use them i am saying it shows that he can adapt in situations this is the second time im saying it. It would take at least a couple seconds for travis to kill slap and thats more thna enough time for slap to switch to smth like elude and get out of there. Never brough up overkill lol

 

[Thunderman101]

yeah and he's gonna try mindlessly running up to travis while unaware of the skill advantage

again he does not know travis can dodge it, nor does he know travis can actually harm them

after he summons bob (as its the one one shot he can use on top of another due to them not despawning, basically 2 one shots at once (dont see why he wouldnt use it)

even if he dosent know travis can dodge it, it dosent get rid of the bob shaped elephant in the room

 

[Thunderman101]

on top of this, if he sees travis dodge things hes msot likley going to swtich to a glove that will stop him, if he assumes travisis dodging is similar to the dodges in his own game (boxer glove) but no cooldown, than he would not use gods hand as he can only attack after tinestop and travis would dodge that. Hed likley use something like stun or stop or bind

 

[Delusionaltx2]

How would he not have enough time to realize HIS LIMBS ARE BEING CUT OFF.

because its gonna happen in LESS THAN A SECOND

He would not know what gloves counter travis and thats not what im saying, im saying he would pick the gloves that are grunteed to kill travis (flex, error bob), and not the ones that would just knock him far back (gods hand)>

again how would he know that these gloves are guaranteed to kill travis? Thats the issue

I am not sayign they are standard and slap should use them i am saying it shows that he can adapt in situations this is the second time im saying it. It would take at least a couple seconds for travis to kill slap and thats more thna enough time for slap to switch to smth like elude and get out of there.

If slap gets his arms chopped off...he isn't holding a glove anymore

his regeneration is not instantantious...it takes a fat like 5 seconds to regenerate stuff like this

Never brough up overkill lol

What I said regarding overkill applies to any one shot glove similar to it I.E error, flex, and things like that

 

[Delusionaltx2]

after he summons bob (as its the one one shot he can use on top of another due to them not despawning, basically 2 one shots at once (dont see why he wouldnt use it)

Again why would he summon bob instead of just running up to him like how most players do in game?

even if he dosent know travis can dodge it, it dosent get rid of the bob shaped elephant in the room

It does because he wouldn't summon it in time

 

[Thunderman101]

because its gonna happen in LESS THAN A SECOND

again how would he know that these gloves are guaranteed to kill travis? Thats the issue

If slap gets his arms chopped off...he isn't holding a glove anymore

his regeneration is not instantantious...it takes a fat like 5 seconds to regenerate stuff like this

What I said regarding overkill applies to any one shot glove similar to it I.E error, flex, and things like that

what happened to one second? like i said it would take a couple seconds to completley kill slap. he would not know, he would assume because it kills those in his game. Like i said he can switch using the menu and use their effects without holding them, elude for example. Even if he dosent instant regen he can still survive in that state

 

[Thunderman101]

Again why would he summon bob instead of just running up to him like how most players do in game?

It does because he wouldn't summon it in time

Because it essentially allows him to use two one shots at once, why wouldnt he

it takes like half a second to summon bob


gonnna take a quick break, will respond in like 30mins to 1 hour to anyone else

 

[Thunderman101]

Because it essentially allows him to use two one shots at once, why wouldnt he

it takes like half a second to summon bob


gonnna take a quick break, will respond in like 30mins to 1 hour to anyone else

also in the cutscene travis chopped off a guys head we see him running to him at normal speed. This is an even wider arena so would his blitz even cover that as they start on opposite ends

 

[Delusionaltx2]

what happened to one second?

swinging his sword

like i said it would take a couple seconds to completley kill slap. he would not know, he would assume because it kills those in his game.

he would see slap jump in awe at the fact that he can actually harm them, since 90% of things in slap battles normally can't, travis would use that to assume he's alive since beheaded people don't jump...

common sense man...heck armour brought up what he does to people who can regen and thats just overtaxing it

Like i said he can switch using the menu and use their effects without holding them, elude for example.

And he can't do this fast enough which is the problem

Even if he dosent instant regen he can still survive in that state

His regen only extends to mid, not mid-high

If travis does this then by wiki standards, he's dead

 

[Delusionaltx2]

also in the cutscene travis chopped off a guys head we see him running to him at normal speed. This is an even wider arena so would his blitz even cover that as they start on opposite ends

distance is irrelevant since slap is gonna use stuff like MR to close this for the sake of approching him

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Because it essentially allows him to use two one shots at once, why wouldnt he

because its easier for most players to just run up to ppl with overkill, one shot them and call it a day

heck bob is also just really bad at chasing people as well

it takes like half a second to summon bob

Once again would he even use bob over the 16+ other one shots?

 

[Thunderman101]

because its easier for most players to just run up to ppl with overkill, one shot them and call it a day

heck bob is also just really bad at chasing people as well

Once again would he even use bob over the 16+ other one shots?

Yes it is easier with overkill, however this isj in a scenario where more than one glove can be used at once, so why would he use just overkill instead of Bob and overkill

 

[Thunderman101]

swinging his sword

he would see slap jump in awe at the fact that he can actually harm them, since 90% of things in slap battles normally can't, travis would use that to assume he's alive since beheaded people don't jump...

common sense man...heck armour brought up what he does to people who can regen and thats just overtaxing it

And he can't do this fast enough which is the problem


His regen only extends to mid, not mid-high

If travis does this then by wiki standards, he's dead

And how do we know he would just do this instead of chopping heads and calling it a day like we saa him do. Also let's do the math. Takes 2 seconds to switch gloves, about a second for a swing, Travis can get like max four swings in before he cant

 

[Delusionaltx2]

And how do we know he would just do this instead of chopping heads and calling it a day like we saa him do.

he would see slap jump in awe at the fact that he can actually harm them, since 90% of things in slap battles normally can't, travis would use that to assume he's alive since beheaded people don't jump...

Also let's do the math. Takes 2 seconds to switch gloves, about a second for a swing, Travis can get like max four swings in before he cant

And slap only has two arms...mind you if he cuts him in half orizontally he'd only need one swing...

 

[Thunderman101]

distance is irrelevant since slap is gonna use stuff like MR to close this for the sake of approching him

He doesn't have to, cause after he summons Bob (his first action), he's gonna see Travis run over to him (Travis first action). He would not have to go to Travis, Travis is going to go to him especially since his first

 

[Thunderman101]

And slap only has two arms...mind you if he cuts him in half orizontally he'd only need one swing...

And when slap sees that he can be harmed do you think he is going to continue to fight Travis instead of bolting and coming up with a plan.

And slap only has two arms...mind you if he cuts him in half orizontally he'd only need one swing...

Give me an example of him cutting something horizontally in character. If he cuts slap horizontally then hes left with about half his body, that's one action, by then slaps made his next action

 

[Delusionaltx2]

And when slap sees that he can be harmed do you think he is going to continue to fight Travis instead of bolting and coming up with a plan.

Do you think slap has a hypermind?

He isn't gonna come up with a step by step plan to beat someone as skilled as travis in less than a second....

Give me an example of him cutting something horizontally in character

It's just something he would do since he has a sword...do you think he'll just graze his cheek or something?

 

[Thunderman101]

Do you think slap has a hypermind?

He isn't gonna come up with a step by step plan to beat someone as skilled as travis in less than a second....

It's just something he would do since he has a sword...do you think he'll just graze his cheek or something?

No I assume heel go for his limbs. Either way scrap the plan thing slap is still gonna bolt and resort to ranged options. If and when but never is

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No I assume heel go for his limbs.

no limbs to hold the gloves = no gloves

Either way scrap the plan thing slap is still gonna bolt and resort to ranged options.

How does he intend to make distance?

hell didn't armour bring up the fact that travis has TK that he can use to just bring people towards him??? If travis sees him bolt he'll just grab him with class G TK

edit: travis in this key is class M (Class G is for 7A) but thats still more than peak human

If and when but never is

You aren't chariot, this isn't your body

 

[Thunderman101]

I explained, heel use The menu to switch, as long as he equips the glove with the menu he doesn't need to be holding it to use a passive. Elude counters the beam saber so even if travis tk grabs him he can just poof away with elude to make distance

no limbs to hold the gloves = no gloves

How does he intendend to make distance?

hell didn't armour bring up the fact that travis has TK that he can use to just bring people towards him??? If travis sees him bolt he'll just grab him with class G TK

You aren't chariot, this isn't your body

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I explained, heel use The menu to switch, as long as he equips the glove with the menu

which he can't do fast enough

he doesn't need to be holding it to use a passive.

one shot gloves aren't a passive thing to begin with

Elude counters the beam saber so even if travis tk grabs him he can just poof away with elude to make distance

again like kachon said

The fact that it takes more than a moment to switch gloves gives Travis a major advantage in the first place due to vastly superior skill, parrying, and time dilation.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Looking back I prob should have changed the title to "game time" since thats travis's catchphrase but oh well

 

[Thunderman101]

which he can't do fast enough

one shot gloves aren't a passive thing to begin with

again like kachon said

I'm not saying one shot gloves are. Passive, in saying when he gets wailed in by Travis and being slashed heel switch to something like elude that is passive. Skillslop won't change the fact that swinging a sword a small handful of timesbis extremely basic. Hr also has to worry about Bob. And like I said earlier Travis has a very short timeframe to slash so he could maybe get a couple limbs off and that's it. I have never seen him slash someone down the middle in character.