John Slap Battles Vs John Ebg “who the #### is this noob” (1-1-4) (VOTERS NEEDED)

[Thunderman101]

but moves like this do create pushback/ragdoll

no it's invulnerable while flying but not intangible

I actively looked for where intangibility could possibly come from, the only way you can reach that conclusion is maybe by saying you can stick gloves through the player, but you can do that normally so it's just a game issue

you definitely did when you said this is also intangible

And trifecta actively limits them to default

that just means they can switch, it dosen't justify holding three at the same time

Because nobody uses this???? and we're assuming he does this in 1-2 seconds before EBG just hits him

nobody uses it because nromally you cannot attack with it, however this is a different scenario where they can

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I explained exactly why he would use spectator, because sincer he could sue mutliple gloves he would use spectator in order to become invicincible while still attacking.

Except we have on screen evidence of players going on for hours without seeing a single spectator user

normally that issue would be dismissed if we saw people use builds like this in trifecta but they DON'T and you flat out admitted to this which is the problem

John slap has been hit by an infinitley powered force and still didnt let go of the glove what is ebg going to do.

again LS and AP are not the same thing, that thing could have tier 1 or tier 0 AP and it still wouldn't change anything just via how LS works

Disarm glove has activley been able to take gloves from other players and they sort of just re appear.

overtime yes, however EBG and his 5x ap advantage just needs to launch either a really strong spell that scales above their standard spells or a multi hit spell

And ragdools do not work against spectator and showcased by stun glove, slaps lifting strengh has been underestimated but its not on his profile anyways.

Until john slap gains legitimate class K stuff we can't use him resisting peak human level ragdoll to say he can resist class K levels of ragdoll

and worst case scenario of the gloves get flung awway, just rewind time with recall or thanos to get them back.

he dies immediately to the 5x ap advantage

 

[Delusionaltx2]

nobody uses it because nromally you cannot attack with it, however this is a different scenario where they can

And it's also a scenerio they

1. have no exeperience with (by your own admition this is a made up scenerio that breaks the source material; we realistically shouldn't even be having this match anymore after what you said but again; benefit of the doubt)

2. are pressured to figure all of this out in the span of 1-2 seconds, which basically assumes they have the thought speed of a literal genius

like yea we have baseline assumptions for blank-slated player characters but that's just relegated to them being as good at the game as they possibly can be in-game. we don't just give them something thats basically relegated to people with genius level intellect

In otherwords, will they use spectator eventually? yeah sure! will they lead with this frame one? Absolutely not

 

[Thunderman101]

Except we have on screen evidence of players going on for hours without seeing a single spectator user

normally that issue would be dismissed if we saw people use builds like this in trifecta but they DON'T and you flat out admitted to this which is the problem

again LS and AP are not the same thing, that thing could have tier 1 or tier 0 AP and it still wouldn't change anything just via how LS works

overtime yes, however EBG and his 5x ap advantage just needs to launch either a really strong spell that scales above their standard spells or a multi hit spell

Until john slap gains legitimate class K stuff we can't use him resisting peak human level ragdoll to say he can resist class K levels of ragdoll

he dies immediately to the 5x ap advantage

if one glove gets flung just pull out another...

 

[Delusionaltx2]

if one glove gets flung just pull out another...

and he dies before he gets the chance too thanks to the ap gap and the stamina drain...

do you know how these things work?

 

[Thunderman101]

And it's also a scenerio they

1. have no exeperience with (by your own admition this is a made up scenerio that breaks the source material; we realistically shouldn't even be having this match anymore after what you said but again; benefit of the doubt)

2. are pressured to figure all of this out in the span of 1-2 seconds, which basically assumes they have the thought speed of a literal genius

like yea we have baseline assumptions for blank-slated player characters but that's just relegated to them being as good at the game as they possibly can be in-game. we don't just give them something thats basically relegated to people with genius level intellect

In otherwords, will they use spectator eventually? yeah sure! will they lead with this frame one? Absolutely not

The player is actually suprisinlgy smart, being able to operate guides cloning machines and scales to guide who was able to reverse engineer a glove. And tanother reason i think that they would use spectator immedealty is that its the first defensive glove they will see other than custom in the menu. If you wanna argue hed use custom or something else thats fine as custom is almost as good as spectator

 

[Thunderman101]

and he dies before he gets the chance too thanks to the ap gap and the stamina drain...

do you know how these things work?

ok lets do a hypotheetical here

1. john slaps glove gets flung

2. ebg uses a stamina draining move, oh no john slap is almost dead from one more hit,

3. john slap puls out another glove from hammer space (this is assumign they dont already have the glove in their hand due to trifecta), soemthing like megarock, and waits in their rock to hail and get undrained.

Or reverses time to undo all the status effects

or hides in his pocket dimension with pocket glove.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The player is actually suprisinlgy smart, being able to operate guides cloning machines and scales to guide who was able to reverse engineer a glove.

proficiency in engineering does not correlate to an enhanced thought/perception speed

And tanother reason i think that they would use spectator immedealty is that its the first defensive glove they will see other than custom in the menu.

which is contradicted again by the fact that they literally

1. never use it despite this fact

2. are gonna see like 6 other different gloves at the same time

If you wanna argue hed use custom or something else thats fine as custom is almost as good as spectator

except custom just like spectator isn't saving him from a 5x gap

 

[Delusionaltx2]

ok lets do a hypotheetical here

1. john slaps glove gets flung

2. ebg uses a stamina draining move, oh no john slap is almost dead from one more hit,

nonono he dies right there

EBG after seeing him use seemingly perfect invulnerability, isn't just gonna hit him with a random spell; he's gonna try to nuke him as fast as possible

there is no 3 or 4 or 5 or anything else

he just blows him up right then and there

 

[Thunderman101]

proficiency in engineering does not correlate to an enhanced thought/perception speed

which is contradicted again by the fact that they literally

1. never use it despite this fact

2. are gonna see like 6 other different gloves at the same time

except custom just like spectator isn't saving him from a 5x gap

the 5x gap matters for neither cause while their abilites are active they are not able to be attakced....

 

[Thunderman101]

nonono he dies right there

EBG after seeing him use seemingly perfect invulnerability, isn't just gonna hit him with a random spell; he's gonna try to nuke him as fast as possible

there is no 3 or 4 or 5 or anything else

he just blows him up right then and there

he has to actually negate the invurnerabilty, equal speed. John slap is going to move the second his glove gets flinnged and will pull out a new glove. it dosent even have to be a glove thats active it can be a passive glove that will ensure his invurnerbability the second he pulls it out (again, assuming he dosent have 3 gloves)

 

[Arkansalter2]

no it's invulnerable while flying but not intangible

2. are pressured to figure all of this out in the span of 1-2 seconds, which basically assumes they have the thought speed of a literal genius

Slap is not an idiot and you know this. They know how to operate cloning technology and monster-making technology that John EBG couldn't even dream of. John Slap has combat smarts and other smarts too. They're successful businessmen, expert survivalists / maze travellers, and more.
Slap is nowhere near an idiot.

And trifecta actively limits them to default

Game mechanics but it shows that they are able to wield 3.

 

[Thunderman101]

nonono he dies right there

EBG after seeing him use seemingly perfect invulnerability, isn't just gonna hit him with a random spell; he's gonna try to nuke him as fast as possible

there is no 3 or 4 or 5 or anything else

he just blows him up right then and there

this is assuming the glove even gets flinnged by the way. How would ebg know to snatch the glove away from him, and this is assuming slap is going to stand there and let him. Or he dosent jsut fly away with flight speed stronger than his movement speed that is not stamina dependent

 

[Thunderman101]

Slap is not an idiot and you know this. They know how to operate cloning technology and monster-making technology that John EBG couldn't even dream of. John Slap has combat smarts and other smarts too. They're successful businessmen, expert survivalists / maze travellers, and more.
Slap is nowhere near an idiot.

Game mechanics but it shows that they are able to wield 3.

also no intent to pressure you but ive been asking if you are charnging your vote from incon to slap or not

 

[Arkansalter2]

also no intent to pressure you but ive been asking if you are charnging your vote from incon to slap or not

I'll stay incon.
This match might just end up on the profiles as an incon anyway.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Thats a recent update and is honestly just a flaw of profile indexing

Slap is not an idiot and you know this.

slap also dosen't have enhanced perceptions or an enhanced thought process

They know how to operate cloning technology and monster-making technology that John EBG couldn't even dream of.

this dosen't corrolate to enhanced thought speed beyond what is humanly possible

John Slap has combat smarts and other smarts too.

like?

They're successful businessmen,

this isn't combat

expert survivalists /

this dosen't help them just think of the perfect answer for their opponent in a situation they have no experience with in 1-2 seconds

You would basically be arguing they have some form of immediate info analysis at that point

maze travellers, and more.

this dosen't just give them the ability to think of the perfect answer to their opponent in a 1-2 second timeframe if it did then 90% of characters in fiction now do the same thing

IRL people can do everything slap just did and still not do this

Slap is nowhere near an idiot.

yeah but he isn't f***ing yujiro hanma

he isn't gonna see EBG and immediately know what glove works against him

Game mechanics but it shows that they are able to wield 3.

Again how is this game mechanics when it could also just be something limited to trifecta?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

he has to actually negate the invurnerabilty,

which is done through disarming him

equal speed.

that dosen't prevent him from launching a single attack in the same time it takes for slap to access the menu

If slaps hammerspace was like bugs bunny or (to give a roblox example of this) JBT where he just pulls stuff instantly then you might have an argument but he dosen't

John slap is going to move the second his glove gets flinnged and will pull out a new glove.

he will get hit long before hand via equal speed and it being 2 actions to one

it dosent even have to be a glove thats active it can be a passive glove that will ensure his invurnerbability the second he pulls it out (again, assuming he dosent have 3 gloves)

passive gloves still need to be equipped for their abilities to work

 

[Thunderman101]

Thats a recent update and is honestly just a flaw of profile indexing

slap also dosen't have enhanced perceptions or an enhanced thought process


this dosen't corrolate to enhanced thought speed beyond what is humanly possible

like?

this isn't combat

this dosen't help them just think of the perfect answer for their opponent in a situation they have no experience with in 1-2 seconds

You would basically be arguing they have some form of immediate info analysis at that point

this dosen't just give them the ability to think of the perfect answer to their opponent in a 1-2 second timeframe if it did then 90% of characters in fiction now do the same thing

IRL people can do everything slap just did and still not do this

yeah but he isn't f***ing yujiro hanma

he isn't gonna see EBG and immediately know what glove works against him

Again how is this game mechanics when it could also just be something limited to trifecta?

you really think that slap cant hold two objects with 2 hands

 

[Thunderman101]

which is done through disarming him

that dosen't prevent him from launching a single attack in the same time it takes for slap to access the menu

If slaps hammerspace was like bugs bunny or (to give a roblox example of this) JBT where he just pulls stuff instantly then you might have an argument but he dosen't

he will get hit long before hand via equal speed and it being 2 actions to one

passive gloves still need to be equipped for their abilities to work

he actually can pull things instnalty

 

[Delusionaltx2]

you really think that slap cant hold two objects with 2 hands

1. You're claiming he can hold three at once, please don't move the goalpost for the millionth time

2. honestly, I don't even know if they can hold two gloves at the same time considering how if they could then it just defeats the purpose of double slap but two at least makes actual sense not three

 

[Delusionaltx2]

he actually can pull things instnalty

thats for using abilities

we're talking about switching gloves themselves here

 

[Thunderman101]

1. You're claiming he can hold three at once, please don't move the goalpost for the millionth time

2. honestly, I don't even know if they can hold two gloves at the same time considering how if they could then it just defeats the purpose of double slap but two at least makes actual sense not three

yes, hand 1 hand 2 and mouth

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yes, hand 1 hand 2 and mouth

for defult yes

we have no idea what the lore for other gloves are so there's no reason to suggest they can use them the same way

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

John Slap has a durability advantage here. Remember that Player EBG's health goes down when they get hit by nearly every attack in the game. The baseline 7-C meteors they scale to are = to the baseline 7-C meteors John Slap tanks, but they still take a smidgen of damage from them. The 35 kiloton feat Player EBG scales to does a pretty sizeable amount of damage to him in comparison. Most of John Slap's options that can instakill other players will most definitely be either one-tapping Player EBG or at the very least severely harm him.

except custom just like spectator isn't saving him from a 5x gap

It will save him from a 5x AP gap. If they don't take any damage from a similar baseline 7-C attack Player EBG survives and they proceed to not even budge after a durability amp then they'll probably just... facetank everything from them, lol.

this is assuming the glove even gets flinnged by the way. How would ebg know to snatch the glove away from him, and this is assuming slap is going to stand there and let him. Or he dosent jsut fly away with flight speed stronger than his movement speed that is not stamina dependent

We have never seen Player EBG snatch tools from other enemies so I don't think he'll do this by default. That, and the fact that similar attacks like Eternal Bob's meteors can't even disarm him probably means he won't be getting disarmed here.

Again how is this game mechanics when it could also just be something limited to trifecta?

It is something limited to trifecta. Trifecta just gives you three gloves as a single glove type, it doesn't let you use three separate gloves. Player EBG can use all of his spells at once because he can switch between them in his spellbook mid-combat with no consequences outside of having to take a few seconds to maybe do it. We've never sleep John Slap actually use three separate glove types simultaneously in the game. Hell, even against the Eternal Bob boss fight that he scales to, it's a group of like 3-4 other players players that have to initiate the ritual to fight him and they're all using separate gloves.

...barring that, if we're ignoring the fact that John Slap can't use all of his gloves at once then I'm voting John Slap. Spectator is way too much for Player EBG to deal with and nothing is stopping them from flying into Player EBG and using hot potato or summoning bob, or pulling him into a pocket dimension via Run.

 

[Thunderman101]

for defult yes

we have no idea what the lore for other gloves are so there's no reason to suggest they can use them the same way

why wouldnt he be able to hold more than one glove? we know he cant do it in gam efor balancing purposes but realistically why cant they just hold two objects in 2 hands

 

[Delusionaltx2]

why wouldnt he be able to hold more than one glove? we know he cant do it in gam efor balancing purposes but realistically why cant they just hold two objects in 2 hands

Because we don't know the lore we can't say for certain that he actually can...thats the problem

 

[Thunderman101]

John Slap has a durability advantage here. Remember that Player EBG's health goes down when they get hit by nearly every attack in the game. The baseline 7-C meteors they scale to are = to the baseline 7-C meteors John Slap tanks, but they still take a smidgen of damage from them. The 35 kiloton feat Player EBG scales to does a pretty sizeable amount of damage to him in comparison. Most of John Slap's options that can instakill other players will most definitely be either one-tapping Player EBG or at the very least severely harm him.

It will save him from a 5x AP gap. If they don't take any damage from a similar baseline 7-C attack Player EBG survives and they proceed to not even budge after a durability amp then they'll probably just... facetank everything from them, lol.


We have never seen Player EBG snatch tools from other enemies so I don't think he'll do this by default. That, and the fact that similar attacks like Eternal Bob's meteors can't even disarm him probably means he won't be getting disarmed here.


It is something limited to trifecta. Trifecta just gives you three gloves as a single glove type, it doesn't let you use three separate gloves. Player EBG can use all of his spells at once because he can switch between them in his spellbook mid-combat with no consequences outside of having to take a few seconds to maybe do it. We've never sleep John Slap actually use three separate glove types simultaneously in the game. Hell, even against the Eternal Bob boss fight that he scales to, it's a group of like 3-4 other players players that have to initiate the ritual to fight him and they're all using separate gloves.

...barring that, if we're ignoring the fact that John Slap can't use all of his gloves at once then I'm voting John Slap. Spectator is way too much for Player EBG to deal with and nothing is stopping them from flying into Player EBG and using hot potato or summoning bob, or pulling him into a pocket dimension via Run.

counted, as for the 3 gloves thing john slap has hammerspace and could probably just hold two items in two hands.

 

[Thunderman101]

Because we don't know the lore we can't say for certain that he actually can...thats the problem

and john slaps hammerspace is not limtied to just specific gloves, its for literally everything they can pick up slapples, items around the map etc so he could just store gloves in hammerspace. also no one has provided ebgs counter to being sent to barzil via dimensional travel

 

[Delusionaltx2]

John Slap has a durability advantage here. Remember that Player EBG's health goes down when they get hit by nearly every attack in the game. The baseline 7-C meteors they scale to are = to the baseline 7-C meteors John Slap tanks, but they still take a smidgen of damage from them. The 35 kiloton feat Player EBG scales to does a pretty sizeable amount of damage to him in comparison. Most of John Slap's options that can instakill other players will most definitely be either one-tapping Player EBG or at the very least severely harm him.

It will save him from a 5x AP gap. If they don't take any damage from a similar baseline 7-C attack Player EBG survives and they proceed to not even budge after a durability amp then they'll probably just... facetank everything from them, lol.

no-selling something that the player takes like a smidget of damage from dosen't just mean he facetanks EVERYTHING

We have never seen Player EBG snatch tools from other enemies so I don't think he'll do this by default. That, and the fact that similar attacks like Eternal Bob's meteors can't even disarm him probably means he won't be getting disarmed here.

I'm not saying he will physically, i'm saying the sheer force of class K ragdoll being something slap has never experienced before and is like thousands of times stronger than his physical grip strength will just do it anyway

It is something limited to trifecta. Trifecta just gives you three gloves as a single glove type, it doesn't let you use three separate gloves. Player EBG can use all of his spells at once because he can switch between them in his spellbook mid-combat with no consequences outside of having to take a few seconds to maybe do it. We've never sleep John Slap actually use three separate glove types simultaneously in the game. Hell, even against the Eternal Bob boss fight that he scales to, it's a group of like 3-4 other players players that have to initiate the ritual to fight him and they're all using separate gloves.

...barring that, if we're ignoring the fact that John Slap can't use all of his gloves at once then I'm voting John Slap. Spectator is way too much for Player EBG to deal with and nothing is stopping them from flying into Player EBG and using hot potato or summoning bob, or pulling him into a pocket dimension via Run.

the issue with spectator is that we're assuming they use this frame one before EBG just stuns him and hits him with a one combo when slap in this instance is going to be looking for different builds to deal with the stuns and various spells first

if we were saying that slap would use spectator eventually to argue a win then that would make sense, but immediately as in the first two seconds of the fight? When they normally don't even use this?

 

[Thunderman101]

if we were saying that slap would use spectator eventually to argue a win then that would make sense, but immediately as in the first two seconds of the fight? When they normally don't even use this?

I have already explained this, this is one of the first gloves that pops up for them that has any defensive capanbilites and the only glove that will make them immortal while still attacking, so why would he use this. Also i doubt ebg would use something that ragdolls other than time stop

 

[Delusionaltx2]

and john slaps hammerspace is not limtied to just specific gloves, its for literally everything they can pick up slapples, items around the map etc so he could just store gloves in hammerspace.

I'm not saying the limitation could come from jut slaps hammer space, I'm saying the limitation could also be a byproduct of the gloves themselves

heck embalmaster brought up a good point with how in the BOB fight you actively need to bring multiple players to use different gloves

also no one has provided ebgs counter to being sent to barzil via dimensional travel

if EBG stuns and successfully hits him with a one shot combo beforehand BFR becomes null and void

also EBG has portal break shenenigans as well

chaos alone already involves sending blasts of energy by literally punching space-time

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I have already explained this,

so have I

this is one of the first gloves that pops up for them that has any defensive capanbilites and the only glove that will make them immortal while still attacking,

so are like 6 other different gloves they are more used to using

so why would'nt he use this.

because he's used to literally scrolling right pass this and has like a second maybe to think of this

Also i doubt ebg would use something that ragdolls other than time stop

I doubt slap would use spectator frame one for several reasons but here we are

1. Timestop dosen't even ragdoll

2. Ragdoll is normally one of the most prominent ways they start combos and stun people

 

[Arkansalter2]

chaos alone already involves sending blasts of energy by literally punching space-time

Wasn't this addressed in a CRT made by embalmer?
It's not really spacetime manipulation, rather it's just an assload of energy projection.
Said spacetime manip is just "summon shit" rather it being actual spacetime manip.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Wasn't this addressed in a CRT made by embalmer?

the CRT dosen't say it isn't; in fact, the CRT flat out says this has limited space and limited time manip

Space-Time Rupture

'User splits space and time and uses it to expel a close range beam from above."

"Limited Spatial Manipulation and Limited Time Manipulation in order to summon a beam, alright."

It's not really spacetime manipulation, rather it's just an assload of energy projection.

They split spacetime to summon the beam

Said spacetime manip is just "summon shit" rather it being actual spacetime manip.

Arkan...this doesn't just say "summons a beam!" this says "User splits space and time and uses it to expel a close range beam from above"

it splits space and time then uses that to summon the beam, how the beam is summon through that we don't know but all we need to know is that it splits and therefore effects space and time

portals are space, this splits space, thats all we need to know

 

[Arkansalter2]

it splits space and time then uses that to summon the beam, how the beam is summon through that we don't know but all we need to know is that it splits and therefore effects space and time

Doesn't really do anything much more than that so it's pretty much a non factor.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Doesn't really do anything much more than that so it's pretty much a non factor.

he splits the portals by virtue of them being space....

 

[Arkansalter2]

he splits the portals by virtue of them being space....

Ok? I know the shit does. It splits space time yes but... it's nothing impressive other than that.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Ok? I know the shit does. It splits space time yes but... it's nothing impressive other than that.

the question was if EBG had an answer to portal based BFR no?

This literally hard counters it

 

[Arkansalter2]

This literally hard counters it

???????????? No? The ****?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

???????????? No? The ****?

The argument relies on using space....

the spell splits space....

sorry but why is this not a hard counter again?