Game-point; Ready...Slap! | Travis Touchdown (No more heroes) vs The Player (Slap Battles) | [7-1-0] (Grace)

[Armorchompy]

I suppose??? That still doesn't excuse him from using whatever is the most practical.

Which is an extremely vague concept that doesn't necessarily align with what would be best in a VS thread. I assume the best options in game aren't just the haxxiest ones and even if they were it's a stretch to say he'd have perfect meta awareness of what's optimal.

Survivability covers that expense.

How many times are you going to make me repeat that Travis is just gonna chop him up until the regen is overtaxed?

Concerning but nothing slap hasn't dealt with before.

Having experience doesn't really change things., it's a blitz-worthy amp.

Concerning however slap no-sells and tanks his value.

"By the way my character is actually completely immune to yours' attacks" Sure lol.

Slap's skill is probably one of the most skilled johns to date. He has full knowledge on all of the 250+ gloves to date and knows what would be practical for usage against opponents, whatever the case may be. Slap is nowhere near an idiot. Here are slap's victims.

Oh he can use weapons? Wow.

The Guide.
Slap can kill the slapstractor + the guide while taking no hits whatsoever, in which the guide can give him a berrating barrage of attacks in the boss fight alone.

No-hitting people (dozens at once) is something Travis was doing in the first game.

The Eternal BOB
Player along with 4 others can kill one of the most powerful entities in the slap battles universe known as The Eternal BOB in a massively prolonged fight, who has an absolutely ungodly ridiculous amount of danmaku and slap can handle it just fine.

Dodecahedron Dave
Can no-hit solo Dodecahedron Dave who also has danmaku as seen later in the fight.

The Shattered
Can fight The Shattered who has ridiculous AOE shit and all that type of good stuff.

Swordfighter
Can fight a professional swordsman who states that "Many have challenged me, but everyone has falled short of success." Implying that the player is the first to every defeat said swordsman.

Slasher
Can fight the slasher who can rival Player.

Jerry The Snowman
Can fight Jerry The Snowman with the glove player was born with (default), who can summon minions and also has danmaku.

So that skill gap is pretty much immediately closed.

Not even close lol. "Can fight strong people in difficult conditions" is not even within sniffing distance of Travis in the first game, let alone this key. Hell that's literally the entire premise of the series, Travis is already doing that shit before the tutorial.

 

[Thunderman101]

theres also the fact that if travis gives off too much eneryg bob is just gonna bfr him idk why it was ignored

 

[Thunderman101]

Which is an extremely vague concept that doesn't necessarily align with what would be best in a VS thread. I assume the best options in game aren't just the haxxiest ones and even if they were it's a stretch to say he'd have perfect meta awareness of what's optimal.

How many times are you going to make me repeat that Travis is just gonna chop him up until the revenge is overtaxed?

Having experience doesn't really change things., it's a blitz-worthy amp.

"By the way my character is actually completely immune to yours' attacks" Sure lol.

Oh he can use weapons? Wow.

No-hitting people (dozens at once) is something Travis was doing in the first game.

Not even close lol. "Can fight strong people in difficult conditions" is not even within sniffing distance of Travis in the first game, let alone this key. Hell that's literally the entire premise of the series.

oh no travis is slashing slap whatever shall he do (cough cough bob approaching)

 

[Armorchompy]

Are you people just going to bring up random wincons forever? It doesn't matter. Travis just kills the guy before he can actually pull them out because he's got a huge kit of mostly useless shit and won't actually stand a chance in a real fight for long enough to get to anything useful.

 

[Thunderman101]

Are you people just going to bring up random BS wincons forever? It doesn't matter. Travis just kills the guy before he can actually pull them out because he's got a huge kit of mostly useless shit and won't actually stand a chance in a real fight for long enough to get to anything useful.

you do realize slap knows alot of his wincons would mostly be useless, this is outside his game scenario where the main goal is to knock his opponent off the map so anything that wont do that iwll likley be ignore by slap. Slap knows when his gloves are useless and when they have been helpfull. I have explained several time why bob or smth like that would be chosen first and you have continuosuly ignored it over and over, slap legit just needs a glove and a limb and thats it, jhes not just going to not fight back while travis is slashing him hes not stupid

 

[Thunderman101]

you do realize slap knows alot of his wincons would mostly be useless, this is outside his game scenario where the main goal is to knock his opponent off the map so anything that wont do that iwll likley be ignore by slap. Slap knows when his gloves are useless and when they have been helpfull. I have explained several time why bob or smth like that would be chosen first and you have continuosuly ignored it over and over, slap legit just needs a glove and a limb and thats it, jhes not just going to not fight back while travis is slashing him hes not stupid

also no counter to elude lmao. or a g
olden bullet which autotracks

 

[Thunderman101]

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also no counter to elude lmao. or a g
olden bullet which autotracks

heyre able to snipe people from hundreds of miles away with the bullet btw

 

[Thunderman101]

also slap can switch gloves while being stunned with na menu so worst case if slap is beign stun locked by travises slashes he justequips elude and passivley teleports away.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Spoiler: Slap Victims

The Guide.
Slap can kill the slapstractor + the guide while taking no hits whatsoever, in which the guide can give him a berrating barrage of attacks in the boss fight alone. The Guide isn't an idiot either as he created his labyrinth likely by himself which are filled to the brim with traps and stuff. He also faked his death if that helps.

The Eternal BOB
Player along with 4 others can kill one of the most powerful entities in the slap battles universe known as The Eternal BOB in a massively prolonged fight, who has an absolutely ungodly ridiculous amount of danmaku and slap can handle it just fine.

Dodecahedron Dave
Can no-hit solo Dodecahedron Dave who also has danmaku as seen later in the fight.

The Shattered
Can fight The Shattered who has ridiculous AOE shit and all that type of good stuff.

Swordfighter
Can fight a professional swordsman who states that "Many have challenged me, but everyone has falled short of success." Implying that the player is the first to every defeat said swordsman.

Slasher
Can fight the slasher who can rival Player.

Jerry The Snowman
Can fight Jerry The Snowman with the glove player was born with (default), who can summon minions and also has danmaku.

So that skill gap is pretty much immediately closed.

ima be real with you...this is NOT handling Travis's skill slop

 

[Armorchompy]

you do realize slap knows alot of his wincons would mostly be useless, this is outside his game scenario where the main goal is to knock his opponent off the map so anything that wont do that iwll likley be ignore by slap. Slap knows when his gloves are useless and when they have been helpfull. I have explained several time why bob or smth like that would be chosen first and you have continuosuly ignored it over and over, slap legit just needs a glove and a limb and thats it, jhes not just going to not fight back while travis is slashing him hes not stupid

I've ignored it because it was a baseless assumption and I will continue to. A character with zero known personality (in fact not really a character at all) being someone you can construe to be smart or experienced isn't grounds to argue they are hyper-pragmatic tactical geniuses with magical meta awareness of what the best choice is in a fight, especially when several of the allegedly "best" hax options are resisted or otherwise non-viable. People were initially arguing Time Stop - no reason to say he wouldn't go for that as a good wincon, and that just gets him killed.

I want to stress to you that this fight is going to be over in literally five seconds. Second one Travis' ESP tells him this guy can hax him and he locks in, second two he TKs him towards himself ragdolling him and cuts him in half (or cuts the glove hand off), seconds three to five he keeps slashing until the guy's actually dead. That one and a half seconds isn't enough time to conclude "hmm this guy is quite strong I think I will use my hax ability today".

And stop spam-posting, put all your arguments in one post rather than dropping one every three seconds.

 

[Thunderman101]

I've ignored it because it was a baseless assumption and I will continue to. A character with zero known personality (in fact not really a character at all) being someone you can construe to be smart or experienced isn't grounds to argue they are hyper-pragmatic tactical geniuses with magical meta awareness of what the best choice is in a fight, especially when several of the allegedly "best" hax options are resisted. People were initially arguing Time Stop - no reason to say he wouldn't go for that as a good wincon, and that just gets him killed.

I want to stress to you that this fight is going to be over in literally five seconds. Second one Travis' ESP tells him this guy can hax him and he locks in, second two he TKs him towards himself ragdolling him and cuts him in half (or cuts the glove hand off), seconds three to five he keeps slashing until the guy's actually dead. That one and a half seconds isn't enough time to conclude "hmm this guy is quite strong I think I will use my hax ability today".

And stop spam-posting, put all your arguments in one post rather than dropping one every three seconds.

you do realise slap has been cut and half and can fight just fine, you have also completley ignored my elude point and i have explained why bob is logically the most likley option several times. Its gonna take at least a couple seconds to slash him to death and thats plenty of time to equip elude to teleport away. I am not sayign slap is some sort of tatical genius, i am just saying theyre going to know bob would most likley pair well with their other gloves and at least spawn him in. your five second sequence is quite literally impossible with equal speed, while travis esp if telling him slaps stuff slap will at least have time to pull off an action, they should at least be a couple meters from eachother so slap should go for a ranged option, one of slaps best options in this fight is bob so i dont see at all why he wouldnt use it. you are acting like slap is a mindless npc who is just goint to stand there and let travis beat him up. By your logic time stop is a baseless asumption. You have to at least consider slap thinking about him using multi glove combos strategically especially due to how many battles hes been in.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I will say though, regarding the question on what they would use

Slap typically bum rushes the opponent because most of the time they can't harm them. If Travis demonstrates the ability to cut them, they would at least have the common sense to go "oh shoot this guy can harm me" and use a glove that would at least work to prevent that rather than just continuing to bum rush him

I'm not saying slap would go into conveniently the right glove capable of haxing him, but I'm at least saying slap would use whatever options they have that aims to make it harder to damage them and there are a ton of gloves that can do that so they really just need to pick one out of any of those gloves to continue fighting

 

[Delusionaltx2]

you do realise slap has been cut and half and can fight just fine,

Travis can just cut him to pieces (he already mentioned this too)

you have also completley ignored my elude point and i have explained why bob is logically the most likley option several times.

You gotta actually quote where you did since i'm reading the thread and I don't see where you did

 

[Armorchompy]

you do realise slap has been cut and half and can fight just fine

"Just fine" seems blatantly untrue given they are indeed slowed down the way you would with loss of your legs, meaning you absolutely can incap him by removing the proper limbs. Not that you needed proof for that.

you have also completley ignored my elude point

I don't need to address every individual wincon when as I've already explained some are valid and the problem is that they won't be used fast enough. In that one's case I do just suspect there's something weird going on, I assume they don't just have abilities that make you invincible at no cost in the game.

Its gonna take at least a couple seconds to slash him to death and thats plenty of time to equip elude to teleport away.

No it isn't because it's hard to put on gloves when both your hands are missing.

I will say though, regarding the question on what they would use

Slap typically bum rushes the opponent because most of the time they can't harm them. If Travis demonstrates the ability to cut them, they would at least have the common sense to go "oh shoot this guy can harm me" and use a glove that would at least work to prevent that rather than just continuing to bum rush him

I'm not saying slap would go into conveniently the right glove capable of haxing him, but I'm at least saying slap would use whatever options they have that makes it harder to damage them and there are a ton of gloves that can do that so they really just need to pick one out of any of those gloves to continue fighting

See this actually makes sense but also I don't think he actually has the time to realize and re-strategize, the first losing interaction with Travis he has is already a death for him.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Getting his limbs blasted off isn't anything he hasn't dealt with before and nothing he can't regen from.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

See this actually makes sense but also I don't think he actually has the time to realize and re-strategize, the first losing interaction with Travis he has is already a death for him.

I mean, that depends on how fast slap can switch gloves since i'm pretty sure simply equipping a glove is instant but since their using the menu to do this idk

That said everything i'm saying mainly assumes travis starts with the head, if travis starts by idk chopping off their arms, then they're probably cooked.

 

[Thunderman101]

Travis can just cut him to pieces (he already mentioned this too)

You gotta actually quote where you did since i'm reading the thread and I don't see where you did

Ill just say it here, slap would most likley use bob because:

1.Usually in game bob is considered mid at best due his varying speed, but in a matchup in mutliple gloves i dont see why slap would sue bob. Bob is one of the only gloves where the entity you spawn wont dissapear if you use it, so slap knowing this would likley use it as it would go in tandem to overwhelm travis with his other gloves. Bob is also really good ranged and you never specified how far so im just gonna assume they start a couple meters away from eachother. Combine this with the fact that slap knows his glove effects will dispese for most of them if he switches,the fact that bob is a really known one shot glove, and 90% of slaps one shots (which he is most likley to start with), are not going to work in a ranged case when bob is and slap is most likley to use a one shot to get the fight done fast i belive i have reason to assume bob would be used first

 

[Armorchompy]

I mean, that depends on how fast slap can switch gloves since i'm pretty sure simply equipping a glove is instant but since their using the menu to do this idk

That sounds like a gameplay thing.

That said everything i'm saying mainly assumes travis starts with the head, if travis starts by idk chopping off their arms, then they're probably cooked.

It's usually just full-body bisection which might be GG either way. Either he does it diagonally and is likely to cut off arms, or vertically and probably instantly deals more damage than can be regen'd from. Either way the moment Slap starts moving after the first hit Travis is gonna dice him apart, he's canonically done that vs immortals.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Getting his limbs blasted off isn't anything he hasn't dealt with before and nothing he can't regen from.

the issue with this is that armour isn't arguing that travis would just cut his limbs off, he's arguing travis would cut slap to pieces which needs like mid-high to regen from

 

[Thunderman101]

"Just fine" seems blatantly untrue given they are indeed slowed down the way you would with loss of your legs, meaning you absolutely can incap him by removing the proper limbs. Not that you needed proof for that.

I don't need to address every individual wincon when as I've already explained some are valid and the problem is that they won't be used fast enough. In that one's case I do just suspect there's something weird going on, I assume they don't just have abilities that make you invincible at no cost in the game.

No it isn't because it's hard to put on gloves when both your hands are missing.

See this actually makes sense but also I don't think he actually has the time to realize and re-strategize, the first losing interaction with Travis he has is already a death for him.

he dosent need to hold the glove, he just needs to have it equipped, he has use gloves passive ffects without having them equiped

 

[Thunderman101]

anways anything else typed here ill respond to in like a couple hours

 

[Arkansalter2]

Also no range specified. They would start 100 meters away. John Slap would have no choice but to use Bob off the jump. Travis's abilities can't reach that far while Bob goes faster the farther and faster the opponent is.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That sounds like a gameplay thing.

Tbh some of the things with slap I plan on downgrading but I'm too busy with stuff to actually invest time into slap battles so idk if this is a gameplay thing or not

It's usually just full-body bisection which might be GG either way. Either he does it diagonally and is likely to cut off arms, or vertically and probably instantly deals more damage than can be regen'd from. Either way the moment Slap starts moving after the first hit Travis is gonna dice him apart, he's canonically done that vs Regen users.

this is a good point

 

[Armorchompy]

Also no range specified. They would start 100 meters away. John Slap would have no choice but to use Bob off the jump. Travis's abilities can't reach that far while Bob goes faster the farther and faster the opponent is.

Cell games arena is much smaller than that

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Also no range specified. They would start 100 meters away. John Slap would have no choice but to use Bob off the jump. Travis's abilities can't reach that far while Bob goes faster the farther and faster the opponent is.

we're acting like slap would do this instead of just using stuff like MR to close the distance and approch him

 

[Thunderman101]

we're acting like slap would do this instead of just using stuff like MR to close the distance and approch him

Because mr doesn't do damage why would they use. Also I explained in the reasons above why they would use Bob so I don't see why they wouldn't just use Bob and the something like MR.

 

[Thunderman101]

Tbh some of the things with slap I plan on downgrading but I'm too busy with stuff to actually invest time into slap battles so idk if this is a gameplay thing or not

Either way slap has hammer space. I could do the downgrade thread what are you planning on downgrading

 

[Thunderman101]

That sounds like a gameplay thing.

It's usually just full-body bisection which might be GG either way. Either he does it diagonally and is likely to cut off arms, or vertically and probably instantly deals more damage than can be regen'd from. Either way the moment Slap starts moving after the first hit Travis is gonna dice him apart, he's canonically done that vs immortals.

He doesn't need to actually have the glove held in his hand to use the passive l. For example if Travis slashed off slaps hand and slap switched to elude. As long as something like his hand is holding the glove (or the glove is in his hammer space inventory). He's still gonna have no problem using this teleporting passive. I also feel like brick would be a problem for Travis as it's heat seaking stunning bricks

 

[Thunderman101]

Most of Travis's arguments assume he can make multiple actions faster than john slap can make one when while they have equal speed that's kinda disingenuous

 

[Armorchompy]

Not really. The only action that matters is the first cut (which literally disarms Slap) or the first TK attack (which ragdolls Slap and prevents him from countering the next attack). After that he's unable to fight back.

For example if Travis slashed off slaps hand and slap switched to elude.

And how is he going to switch to another glove without his hands? The interpretation that he can just teleport those on based on a menu is incredibly tenuous.

As long as something like his hand is holding the glove (or the glove is in his hammer space inventory)

All 250 are active at once? I doubt that.

 

[Thunderman101]

Not really. The only action that matters is the first cut (which literally disarms Slap) or the first TK attack (which ragdolls Slap and prevents him from countering the next attack). After that he's unable to fight back.

And how is he going to switch to another glove without his hands? The interpretation that he can just teleport those on based on a menu is incredibly tenuous.

All 250 are active at once? I doubt that.

im assuming tk stands for telekenisis which in that case slap has been shown to fight in telekenetic grabs and use their powers

 

[Delusionaltx2]

im assuming tk stands for telekenisis which in that case slap has been shown to fight in telekenetic grabs and use their powers

We comparing peak human TK to class G

 

[Armorchompy]

im assuming tk stands for telekenisis which in that case slap has been shown to fight in telekenetic grabs and use their powers

That's a weakness of this ability, the NMH one ragdolls people of much higher LS.

 

[Thunderman101]

That's a weakness of this ability, the NMH one ragdolls people of much higher LS.

either way, slap can use their powers while ragdolled and it dosent matter if they cant escape the grip, just that they can use their non ls depended powers

 

[Armorchompy]

either way, slap can use their powers while ragdolled and it dosent matter if they cant escape the grip, just that they can use their non ls depended powers

no "either way" he can't do that shit, you keep trying to use the fact that this is a game with shit animations to try and argue all of this clearly manual shit is passive, stop it

 

[Thunderman101]

Also to back up bob being used players typically decide to persue their opponent along with bob to slap them into his distance so i dont see how travis is going to deal with bob and the player, while half blined when the player has dozens of ways to just win such as gold transmutation hax, heat seaking para hax bricks. Bob just bfring him to the dark realm if he gives off too much power, just using elude to counter 90 percent of his stuff. For travis to have to kill slap he would qutie literally need to destroy him down to the bone as he can survive just fine without his Skin or organs, and that would likley take a while and slaps not just gonna let him do that. Send him to the redacted dimension (doubt this would would because lifting strength unless slap directly hit him into it)) Hit him with reaper and just run till death hax takes place (one of the most popular strats in the game btw). Reverse his attacks back on him with reverse or just use el gato to heal back to full hp. If travis starts wailing on slap in one place bobs going to take a u turn and go after him forcing travis to eventually get off of slap. Get easy incons with link and sbeve. Megarock is a great wincon and slap is willing to wait in a rock for ten hours so. He can stun travis with stun. Rob is just bob but better in this scenario. Slow down him with shard. (oh yeah also smiler is just an easy gg cause skin removal). Confusion screws over travis senses, nightmare is passive illusion creation if travis gets close. He has a auto trackign transmutation bullet thta he can snipe people hundreds of miles away with. Jester to make him dance to his death. Alchemist to make potions to continously buff himself while debuffing travis (Saves through gloves).

 

[Thunderman101]

no "either way" he can't do that shit, you keep trying to use the fact that this is a game with shit animations to try and argue all of this clearly manual shit is passive, stop it

insulting the game within your argument wont make it any better. Besides do you really have room to be talking about shit animations

 

[DaReaperMan]

insulting the game within your argument wont make it any better. Besides do you really have room to be talking about shit animations

Armor is a fan of Metroid, Mario, and No More Heroes.

He knows what decent animations look like.

 

[Thunderman101]

Armor is a fan of Metroid, Mario, and No More Heroes.

He knows what decent animations look like.

alright then

 

[Armorchompy]

insulting the game within your argument wont make it any better.

I'm not insulting the game, it's Roblox, the visual style is what it is, the games are made by few or one person based on one unchanging and the character models lack hands, joints and most other body parts. The animations are objectively very limited.

Besides do you really have room to be talking about shit animations

Yes.