Juri Han vs Jolyne Cujoh (1-7-0)

[BlackDarkness679]

Juri is in her street fighter 4 key, Jolyne is in her end of part 6 key

Standard Battle Assumptions

Speed equalized

Spider: YuseiDragon1

Butterfly: Jackythejack, Keeweed, Nonynho, FoxySonicMaster108, Arkenis, LegendariumOfLies, MannyQ361

Draw/Tie:

 

[Jackythejack]

Jolyne just speed blitzes unfortunately because the speed equalized rules are annoying and were changed to where they inherently benefit jojo characters more than others

 

[Nonynho]

Part 6's profiles are heavily outdated, dunno if we should use it, friend

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Part 6's profiles are heavily outdated, dunno if we should use it, friend

If you look up the jojo tag, you will see they are still used in matches, nobody gonna wait on one individual taking an eternity to update the verse at his snail pace

Plus if things change, it can always be removed later down the line

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Giving this to Juri, actually.
Even if she cannot see Stone Free, her passive feng shui engine ki aura would just stop the attacks and or hurt SF since the string is part of jolyne. Its also stronger than anything SF can do.


7:13 (nuke) 6:43 (passive defensive aura)

and this is beyond the range SF has ever shown. So if she gets trapped or annoyed, she will just nuke Jolyne.

 

[Keeweed]

As crappy as stone free is; semi intangibility gg, it just leans on juri and juri instantly loses since she can’t push back against it and gets pinned to the floor.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

As crappy as stone free is; semi intangibility gg, it just leans on juri and juri instantly loses since she can’t push back against it and gets pinned to the floor.

Stands need to be made solid to protect you. That is why Jotaro didnt just nullify the steamroller. There are also several examples of non stand things hurting stands.
jolyne's physical body is made of stone free too. So she is the worst candidate to claim intagibility.

besides, how is being pinned to the floor stop juri from just nuking the arena like 7:13

 

[Keeweed]

If she’s pinned she can’t move nor could she hit the target pinning her (plus it’ll easy murder her well before that slow nuke goes off). Jolyne can summon stone free separate from her and we know for a fact stands absolutely can’t be hurt by non stand users since she not one of the stands that makes its out of real objects and that’s consistently been stated to be the rules for the more actual soul stands. Dio specifically has the non physical interaction to hit stands

 

[YuseiDragon1]

If she’s pinned she can’t move nor could she hit the target pinning her. Jolyne can summon stone free separate from her and we know for a fact stands absolutely can’t be hurt by non stand users since she not one of the stands that makes its out of real objects and that’s consistently been stated to be the rules for the more actual soul stands. Dio specifically has the non physical interaction to hit stands

She does not need to target anything. She uses the eye to explode a city block - multi city block radius.
again, if Stone Free is intangible, it wont be able to protect Jolyne from anything Juri does, which would kill her.

Dio has a special non physical interaction

post Dio hurting a stand while its intangible/phasing
also that does not explain the steamroller.

 

[Keeweed]

That is a thing all stand users can do, they can interact with stands.

Plus also juri is 9-A till she actives the engine and Jolyne’s attack is invisible even to things that are invisible; she’s getting her head punched off by something she can’t see. The fact she can’t fight back is just the icing on the cake

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Every single time they defend against anything, they turn solid. Dio's stand is the world, not the steamroller.

Juri has no reason not to activate the engine at the start, its not something jolyne has a remote idea about, and Juri survived her own city block explosion casually. And again, Jolyne has no way to restrain her eye aside of ripping it out, which would require previous knowledge.

Jolyne is just not escaping nor surviving the nuke.

Besides, again, her passive ki aura would protect from being tangled since Stone Free is visible as Jolyne's own strings.

 

[Keeweed]

Except the fact when has she ever spammed the engine like that, especially against a completely random stranger who is just awkwardly standing there. Jolyne looks like an ant to Juri and she has no way to know their is an invisible punching ghost coming over to one shot her.

The ki can’t hit ghost so it’s not hitting stone free. Jolyne whips out the stand, sees Juri doesn’t react at all, and just punches her.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Expect... she had the thing active all the time. her engine-less physical strikes are what is comparable to chun and the rest of the 9-As. During the entire ova the eye was shining.
Besides, you need to justify Juri taking interest in Jolyne at all to not just kill her on the spot with the nuke. Juri does not torture the weak "for the thrill", she kills weaklings and toys with those that can keep up with her. (Chun-Li, Cammy.)
While also justifying that Jolyne would "punch her head off" instead of an ora ora barrage or restraining her.

If Juri is restrained, she will get mad and just nuke Jolyne on the spot. And bold of you to assume Juri with speed equalized would not just also attack first with 8-B punches and projectiles StoneFree would be vaporized with.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

3:17
anywho, again, Star Platinum does not have infinite durability or it would just ignore the steamroller. So goes for arguably visible stands like Jolyne's.

 

[Keeweed]

Expect... she had the thing active all the time. her engine-less physical strikes are what is comparable to chun and the rest of the 9-As. During the entire ova the eye was shining.
Besides, you need to justify Juri taking interest in Jolyne at all to not just kill her on the spot with the nuke. Juri does not torture the weak "for the thrill", she kills weaklings and toys with those that can keep up with her. (Chun-Li, Cammy.)
While also justifying that Jolyne would "punch her head off" instead of an ora ora barrage or restraining her.

If Juri is restrained, she will get mad and just nuke Jolyne on the spot. And bold of you to assume Juri with speed equalized would not just also attack first with 8-B punches and projectiles power StoneFree would be vaporized with.

An Ora barrage would punch her head off instantly. It’s 8-C to her 9-A. In the games she doesn’t have the engine on all the time. In 4, 5, and 6 she doesn’t have her old or new engines on 99% of the time.

 

[Keeweed]

3:17
anywho, again, Star Platinum does not have infinite durability or it would just ignore the steamroller. So goes for arguably visible stands like Jolyne's.

That was because Dio was a stand user. It’s directly written a dozen times that non stand related things can’t hurt stands.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

An Ora barrage would punch her head off instantly. It’s 8-C to her 9-A. In the games she doesn’t have the engine on all the time. In 4, 5, and 6 she doesn’t have her old or new engines on all the time.

So, gameplay mechanics. In canon, Juri can activate it at will by just wanting to.
I guess Sol needs super meter to go dragon install and Goku cannot throw a kamehameha without 1 bar.

4 is the one being discussed here, please do not change topics.
5, 6 has a weaker Juri overall since Bison ripped the engine off her in 4.

 

[Keeweed]

I’m referring to cutscenes. Juri doesn’t activate her engine in the cartoonishly large majority even when she’s getting stomped
She has a new engine in V and 6 and doesn’t use it in either of them constantly

 

[YuseiDragon1]

That was because Dio was a stand user. It’s directly written a dozen times that non stand related things can’t hurt stands.

Yeah, his stand is the world. Not the steamroller. Besides its not like it was in contact with him all the time. He was punching it down.

Are you claiming that Jotaro had brief moments of complete infinite durability when Dio was not punching it down?

 

[Keeweed]

Yeah, his stand is the world. Not the steamroller. Besides its not like it was in contact with him all the time. He was punching it down.

Are you claiming that Jotaro had brief moments of complete infinite durability when Dio was not punching it down?

the stand is what is pushing it down onto jotaro and jotaro isn’t intangible.

 

[Keeweed]

In part 5 stands are literally souls, it makes no sense for that to have a form that can be killed by a regular steamroller, with all the writing saying it normally won’t. That was all Dio.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

I’m referring to cutscenes. Juri doesn’t activate her engine in the cartoonishly large majority even when she’s getting stomped

Again, in cutscenes, she is against people she is comparable to/has story with. She can activate the eye instantly whenever she wants as seen in the lore.
Prove that she wont see Jolyne as a random weakling and you can argue that, cuz she instantly went for the kill against every henchman she saw.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

In part 5 stands are literally souls, it makes no sense for that to have a form that can be killed by a regular steamroller, with all the writing saying it normally won’t. That was all Dio.

So you're saying that Dio just threw the steamroller for fun? Cuz neither the profile of either jolyne or jotaro says they have 1-A durability against all non stand attacks.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

the stand is what is pushing it down onto jotaro and jotaro isn’t intangible.

also ffs jolyne was about to die to being shot at by pucci's normal gun.

Stands do not have infinite durability. If they did, SP would have just ignored the steamroller.

 

[Keeweed]

Again, in cutscenes, she is against people she is comparable to/has story with. She can activate the eye instantly whenever she wants as seen in the lore.
Prove that she wont see Jolyne as a random weakling and you can argue that, cuz she instantly went for the kill against every henchman she saw.

And she doesn’t in V against many goons who are weaker than her. Plus she doesn’t use the engine against people literally beating the crap out of her too. I got to go to work but I 1000% don’t see her activating the engine before getting her head punched off.

Dio used the steamroller to kill the really squishy human jotaro. Not the intangible soul he has. The 1-A part is nonsense, it’s a ghost, Juri can’t hit ghost, simple as that. It’s not a durability issue, she can’t interact with it at all

 

[YuseiDragon1]

And she doesn’t in V against many goons who are weaker than her. Plus she doesn’t use the engine against people literally beating the crap out of her too. I got to go to work but I 1000% don’t see her activating the engine before getting her head punched off.

Dio used the steamroller to kill the really squishy human jotaro. Not the intangible soul he has. The 1-A part is nonsense, it’s a ghost, Juri can’t hit ghost, simple as that. It’s not a durability issue, she can’t interact with it at all

She did not have the 8-B eye in 5. Stop trying to argue with 5 or 6 Juri.

Jolyne's ghost is not only arguably visible from just her body, there is no argument that juri wont see her as a random weakling civilian and nuke her on the spot.
Again, you seem to dodge Juri attacking first at all or her getting mad at the very in character first move of being restrained and nuking the arena.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Hell, Juri can react to things she did not see by just being that good at fighting.
She sees Jolyne do anything or her body weirdly deforming into strings, she is going to dodge somewhere and counterattack. And anything she does vaporizes Jolyne.

0:01

 

[Keeweed]

She did not have the 8-B eye in 5. Stop trying to argue with 5 or 6 Juri.

Jolyne's ghost is not only arguably visible from just her body, there is no argument that juri wont see her as a random weakling civilian and nuke her on the spot.
Again, you seem to dodge Juri attacking first at all or her getting mad at the very in character first move of being restrained and nuking the arena.

She had an eye in V and 6. Doesn’t matter if it isn’t the 8-B eye, she has an eye boost and ignores it constantly.
Also last thing I can say. How does the line “only stands can hurt other stands” even function if apparently all stands get into a killable tangible state whenever they block. That would entirely negate the statement but the statement is reconfirmed constantly in and out of series and stands are literally the soul in part 5.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

She had an eye in V and 6. Doesn’t matter if it isn’t the 8-B eye, she has an eye boost and ignores it constantly.
Also last thing I can say. How does the line “only stands can hurt other stands” even function if apparently all stands get into a killable tangible state whenever they block. That would entirely negate the statement but the statement is reconfirmed constantly in and out of series and stands are literally the soul in part 5.

An eye that is not remotely comparable to the one she had in 4.
She, again, activated it to nuke the weakling henchmen.

Because if Goku punches Jotaro, Star Platinum can become intangible, which kills Jotaro in a 2-C scale. Star Platinum was not affected by Goku's punch, but the same would not apply if The World was punching Star Platinum.

I repeat, anything Juri does is going to vaporize Jolyne. Specially since you kept dodging the weakling and restraining arguments presented above.
Or the video of her instincts being good enough to dodge anywhere despite not seeing an attack coming.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Besides, its even worse for Jolyne here since unlike some arguable moments where Jotaro and other stands users can just think and the stand does something they want without shouting or pointing, Jolyne was a clear tell she is doing something with her body disolving into string.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Bump

 

[Nonynho]

Voting Jolyne FRA

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Voting Jolyne FRA

Explain. Because most of what was argued for Jolyne got debunked/explained

 

[Nonynho]

Yes there are cool reasons that Juri could take this, but what's above makes votes that are still valid (or else they wouldn't be counted) and i'm convinced that Jolyne takes this, high-mid diff

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Yes there are cool reasons that Juri could take this, but what's above makes votes that are still valid (or else they wouldn't be counted) and i'm convinced that Jolyne takes this, high-mid diff

I am very curious what your reasoning is, because Juri has a likely in character counter to almost anything jolyne could do.

1 her reactions are able to trigger even if she is not seeing anything happen. (vs Bison rival cutscene)
2 Jolyne's stand is one of the most arguably visible in the series and Juri would dodge at any direction by seeing her arm turn into strings.
3 Jolyne punching Juri's head off instead of an ora ora barrage or restrain is out of character
4 Juri can win the fight at any point by nuking the arena with her 8-B eye she canonically activated to kill weakling henchmen, which she would just see Jolyne as. A weakling civilian she is ordered to kill.
5 - Since stands need to be solid to protect them from what is being thrown at them, any attack Juri does will obliterate Stone Free with the ap difference. (ALL her attacks are as strong with the eye)
6 - also, her ki barrier is still physical energy stands in this wiki do not have 1-A durability to. So its possible it will just start burning away at jolyne's hand if she tries to restrain
7- this is ALL ignoring the fact that Juri might as well just attack first with the intent to kill by SBA and in character since she kills weaklings and only spares those she is told to/are comparable to her.
ANY attack including projectiles of her instantly activable eye will obliterate Jolyne.

 

[Keeweed]

You pulling the durability and solid part out of a YouTube video. The canon series says you can’t kill them without a stand, and it’s not a 1-A thing, it’s an interaction issue. Juri can’t kill ghost, and the stand is literally the soul.

Juri had a reason to use the engine in the ova, here she’s glancing at a literal random citizen who’s just awkwardly staring at her.
She has refused to use engines in all the games constantly and that’s the prime canon. Any attack floors Juri because it’s high in 8-C versus near baseline 9-A. And stone free is only visible as strings. Against a non stand user she has no reason to not just go for punching ghost

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Just so you know, her profile states Stone Free has both incorporeality and invisibility, we go from info stated in profiles, so idk why you claim she is an example of visible one, nobody saw her strings when used early in the series

Also Jolyne has incorporeality as her stand and regeneration too, Juri has no ability to interact with stands no matter how you put it

Also the intangibility is selective, otherwise Star Platinum wouldnt have been able to touch jewelry while also phasing his arm when stealing for an enemy

Even Stone Free shown it early on when punching her first foe despite being on the other side of a locked room, it could phase through it, while also hitting them

Also Juri doesnt just go for the feng shui explosive ki from the very start as a go to move, to Chun Li and Guile which were bigger threats she done it only at the end

Also Juri has to deal with layered invisibility and incorporeality, ghosts exist in the series which characters like the alien in part 4 can see and interact, but not stands, so saying Juri can sense Stone Free is unfounded, she never shown that kind of sensing capability

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Bump

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Why are people assuming Stone Free being invisible or incorporeal matters when she is doing a City Block AoE?

Immune from all non stand damage or not, it connected to Jolyne, who has to somehow know an explosion is going to happen from the previously meele-short projectile ranged Juri's ki aura spike.
(Which she really has no reason not to just use at the start of the fight, which she could indeed do.)

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I am very curious what your reasoning is, because Juri has a likely in character counter to almost anything jolyne could do.

1 her reactions are able to trigger even if she is not seeing anything happen. (vs Bison rival cutscene)
2 Jolyne's stand is one of the most arguably visible in the series and Juri would dodge at any direction by seeing her arm turn into strings.
3 Jolyne punching Juri's head off instead of an ora ora barrage or restrain is out of character
4 Juri can win the fight at any point by nuking the arena with her 8-B eye she canonically activated to kill weakling henchmen, which she would just see Jolyne as. A weakling civilian she is ordered to kill.
5 - Since stands need to be solid to protect them from what is being thrown at them, any attack Juri does will obliterate Stone Free with the ap difference. (ALL her attacks are as strong with the eye)
6 - also, her ki barrier is still physical energy stands in this wiki do not have 1-A durability to. So its possible it will just start burning away at jolyne's hand if she tries to restrain
7- this is ALL ignoring the fact that Juri might as well just attack first with the intent to kill by SBA and in character since she kills weaklings and only spares those she is told to/are comparable to her.
ANY attack including projectiles of her instantly activable eye will obliterate Jolyne.

 

[YuseiDragon1]

Just so you know, her profile states Stone Free has both incorporeality and invisibility, we go from info stated in profiles, so idk why you claim she is an example of visible one, nobody saw her strings when used early in the series

Jolyne's own body is made out of SF string, this is shown several times in the part. Hell, she uses her own body to punch stands.

Also Jolyne has incorporeality as her stand and regeneration too, Juri has no ability to interact with stands no matter how you put it

She does not have the durability to endure any 8-B attack

Also the intangibility is selective, otherwise Star Platinum wouldnt have been able to touch jewelry while also phasing his arm when stealing for an enemy

Yeah, but this does not matter much when it has to protect Jolyne. It has to be as solid as possible.

Even Stone Free shown it early on when punching her first foe despite being on the other side of a locked room, it could phase through it, while also hitting them

Point behind

Also Juri doesnt just go for the feng shui explosive ki from the very start as a go to move, to Chun Li and Guile which were bigger threats she done it only at the end

She goes for the kill against every single weak henchmen because she was ordered there to kill the weak henchmen.
She does not just kill Chun, Cammy and Guile despite being clearly capable to because
1- they are not as weak and she is the sadistic type
2 - she was not ordered to kill them nor were a part of the mission, they got involved on their own

This argument also ignores the Dolls mission right afterwards where Juri does not kill the Dolls because she was ordered to just capture em.

Also Juri has to deal with layered invisibility and incorporeality, ghosts exist in the series which characters like the alien in part 4 can see and interact, but not stands, so saying Juri can sense Stone Free is unfounded, she never shown that kind of sensing capability

Juri dodged out of the way of an attack Bison did she did not see coming in the rival cutscene i mentioned above, and you still dismiss the possibility that if Juri attacks first at all, Stone Free would need to protect or move Jolyne around instead, and if you saw the series, you'd know the more Jolyne used SF, the more her very visible real body untangles.
I never, ever said that she could "sense" SF.