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Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3

3Pencil said:
Even tho priestess are weak in a way they can be considered as 1A existence for being suitable vessels and housing divinity
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We already said vessels will not gain 1-A
and even the collective body will remain 8D but of course them using Sky-Gods power would be 1-A
but only when using them

Souls and spirits can be 1-A tho
 
Nah
I don't mean they are actually 1A, just that in a way their souls are strong ENOUGH to accommodate 1A powers since that's still them using God's powers
 
yeah that works
It was even stated that most regular people would have their souls be erased from the sheer divinit,y but these priestess etc survived it.
Lyria was also at risk but mostly because Astral God is intentionally trying to kill her spirit/soul
 
Yh and we also saw her soul still been that of rein

And seems like percipian entities would get Paraconsistent Physiology for being neither of the star or sky and are paradoxical
 
Properly type 2 since they are neither a being of creation or of destruction

And CM1 resistance since percipian entities/berceau can defend against rebirth
 
Can blow up the entire skyrealm and the energy strong enough to kill even God

Since it's coming from orologia and luwoh that it definitely referring to God in their true form rather than vessels and not even the 6D combined would be able to easily direct that energy
 
3Pencil said:
Properly type 2 since they are neither a being of creation or of destruction

And CM1 resistance since percipian entities/berceau can defend against rebirth
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Precipian became energy because they cannot defend against rebirth

So I doubt we can give them CM 1 resistance
3Pencil said:
Can blow up the entire skyrealm and the energy strong enough to kill even God
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Their killing God is likely due to their paradoxical nature.Since they are no longer under Sky or Stars they are not bound by them and their laws

atm im asking if this can be listed as Logic manipulation to achieve
 
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who is this bahamut again?
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
concept hax i can see with their Aunt being able to separate Destruction from the concept of reaping someone's life when she used it on raclitus
to make Raclitus appear dead and undetectable by otherworldly river

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Hah

I already forgotten that because of every other feats rn
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Precipian became energy because they cannot defend against rebirth

So I doubt we can give them CM 1 resistance
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No
Mixed scans so I got it wrong, orologia stating they could defend against rebirth was before this which he also mentioned primals and fallen angles alike not operating under death or rebirth
 
3Pencil said:
No
Mixed scans so I got it wrong, orologia stating they could defend against rebirth was before this which he also mentioned primals and fallen angles alike not operating under death or rebirth
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if its resistance/immunity for not having it then yes we can grant that
but immo type 5 already covers death
so just resistance to rebirth
 
3Pencil said:
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Probably no, since they are more geared towards logic defying than manipulating logic itself
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defying logic falls under paradox creation
and erasing logic is one of its application

Also i the picture of bahamut i posted is from the memories of Gran when he reached the end of the story via quasi primalbeast when gathering skymap
 
Paradox Creation: The user can create and maintain scenarios that are self-contradictory or paradoxical, for example enabling mutually exclusive states to exist simultaneously, such as an object being both present and absent at once. Contrary to Logic Deletion they may keep the laws as they are, but allow the things they manipulate to be exceptions to those rules.
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Yeah
 
With rein resistance

Altho I can see HGR overtime for all skydwewllers and CM1 resistance 🗣️

Most anticipated still mamalogia 💝
 
it kinda makes 0 sense to give skydwellers HGR narratively
Although we could argue for Soul Erasure resistance

Rein's profile is the key, where before anything sky-god related happened in her life
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
it kinda makes 0 sense to give skydwellers HGR narratively
Although we could argue for Soul Erasure resistance
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It kinda makes sense, memories are basically information of individuals, erasing someone's fundamental information would basically erase the "all" about that person which is what chaos does

Since we basically know chaos isn't just simply "mind" or " erasure" it's fundamentally and the reason loki/astrals are resistant to Maxwell rewriting the skyrealm was because they perceive reality differently
 
3Pencil said:
It kinda makes sense, memories are basically information of individuals, erasing someone's fundamental information would basically erase the "all" about that person which is what chaos does

Since we basically know chaos isn't just simply "mind" or " erasure" it's fundamentally and the reason loki/astrals are resistant to Maxwell rewriting the skyrealm was because they perceive reality differently
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yeah it is not erasure it is basically replacing facts of history as nothingness or erased or overwriting it on top.

Though the vswiki prefers if you write resistance to the effect rather than the source.
HGR assumes they can do it themselves but that's not the case and it literally required external actions and willpower to bring them back just like what Captain did for Edan and with the rest by defeating the otherworldly dragon once and for all
 
Orologia aca type 5 kinda seems easily dismissable

And iirc she does have logic manipulation since she applies logic on things
 
3Pencil said:
Orologia aca type 5 kinda seems easily dismissable

And iirc she does have logic manipulation since she applies logic on things
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im not sure about that
DT seems to say its just causality hax
since causality hax can practically do anything
 
hmm looking back again. I think we should give 1-A to anyone existing in Estalucia.
At that point, the realm is no longer physical and all are spiritual or conceptual.

as for granting powers to boundary users. I've read in the Faq that they can be allowed to have 1-A durability and such if it was granted in a way that is not continuous
However, there are ways to bypass this barrier. For example, a non-1-A can be empowered by a higher entity into being able to influence things on a qualitatively superior level. This can happen either by a straightforward power boost, or by means of some innate metaphysical potential rooted in something from a higher reality (This can include both characters who are converted into natives of higher planes and characters who are physically lower-dimensional but have 1-A statistics). In neither case is the capability to reach into the higher level something emergent from the structure of the lower level, and therefore they are acceptable ways to get around the above hurdles.
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I guess this means they would have statistics because they are actually affecting each other through metaphysical means rather than physical
AKA only in Potency
A similar case, therefore, goes for Attack Potency. A character from a lower reality cannot "punch with 1-A force," because even if the higher reality has a concept of force, it is completely disconnected from that of the lower reality and therefore there is nothing that can bridge the two. They can, however, serve as a sort of conduit for power from a higher level, and thereby imitate qualitatively greater Attack Potency.
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so Versusia can have 1-A potency via sky god
Gallanth is 1-A while in estalucia
and the Omnipotent Clone can still draw power to such level despite being physical

As for the Omnipotent's clone
Since there is no conceivable extension of any lower tier that can yield equality to a 1-A structure, neither can there be any subdivision (Even an infinite subdivision) of 1-A that reduces down into such tiers. Unless, of course, this division is somehow non-quantitative in nature (i.e. The results of the division are not actually numerical "chunks" of the character's power); however, this should be made reasonably clear by statements or through background context.
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We can argue this one, no problem for reduction, as vessels are only conduits
So the otherworldly Dragon would still be physical, but can draw from that power

So the tier should be 1-C, 1-A with Omnipotent's Clone power or something along those lines
Godslayer Fenrir would be on similar case where she can have 1-A powers thanks to the possibilities reversed

which also means Phoenix is in this kinda of state, thus she cannot die
That said, while they cannot be at this level by having their own physical power increased, they might be endowed with, or awaken, metaphysical attributes that allow them to imitate and influence things on a 1-A and higher scale. For example, consider the following scenario: A cosmology that includes both a physical level and an "informational" level that both transcends the physical and holds the "coding" of all the things in it. An entity capable of influencing the informational level then "locks" a certain person's code, and makes them unable to be interfered with even by other beings on a similar level to itself. This alteration to the metaphysical make-up of the person then emanates downwards into their physical body, and likewise makes them unable to be harmed by anything in the physical world.
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Same with Abramelin


So I guess we switch back to the old rating of 1-C, 1-A with yada yada

which mean only zurvan and ARgo Navis and Legion Void should be in low 1-A
 
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