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The Real World Discussion Thread

Reviving this thread once again - which level of intelligence fictional species would have, if they are baseline smarter than dolphins?
 
??? We have the Bottlenose Dolphin as a profile on-site. High Animalistic. What part is vague here you're confused about?
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
??? We have the Bottlenose Dolphin as a profile on-site. High Animalistic. What part is vague here you're confused about?
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I know how smart dolphins are, I'm more confused about tiering of intelligence. Basically, what level of intelligence those fictional species would have if they are smarter than them? High animalistic? Below Average? Average? Are dolphins the highest end of High Animalistic intelligence, and everything even slightly above that is automatically falls into different category or not?
 
AppleMaker said:
I know how smart dolphins are, I'm more confused about tiering of intelligence. Basically, what level of intelligence those fictional species would have if they are smarter than them? High animalistic? Below Average? Average? Are dolphins the highest end of High Animalistic intelligence, and everything even slightly above that is automatically falls into different category or not?
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Unless there's a specified, specific gap, at least High animalistic intelligence would suffice.
 
Well, here are some questions about current state of The Real World on VSBW:
  1. How many animal profiles are outdated and require some CRTs and editing?
  2. Which are the best animal profiles in your opinion (currently the most detailed profile I've seen so far is Gorilla's)?
  3. I've seen some armor icons on that page, and I genuinely interested in scaling them. So basically - is it allowed to scale them the same way we scaled weapons + destructive values?
  4. Are there any reliable ways to scale animals, without using KE and upscalings? I'm just so confused on how to do that, despite my attempts to understand Real World scaling rules
  5. How can I add some obscure animals to the wiki (like spider monkeys, shoebills, pelican eels, mudskippers, binturongs and etc)? Basically how can I evaluate this, after making profiles in the sandbox?
 
AppleMaker said:
Well, here are some questions about current state of The Real World on VSBW:
  1. How many animal profiles are outdated and require some CRTs and editing?
  2. Which are the best animal profiles in your opinion (currently the most detailed profile I've seen so far is Gorilla's)?
  3. I've seen some armor icons on that page, and I genuinely interested in scaling them. So basically - is it allowed to scale them the same way we scaled weapons + destructive values?
  4. Are there any reliable ways to scale animals, without using KE and upscalings? I'm just so confused on how to do that, despite my attempts to understand Real World scaling rules
  5. How can I add some obscure animals to the wiki (like spider monkeys, shoebills, pelican eels, mudskippers, binturongs and etc)? Basically how can I evaluate this, after making profiles in the sandbox?
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before anything what's your frame of reference for the real world stuff? have you read the scaling rules and explanations for it
 
AppleMaker said:
Well, I read them, but I barely understood some of them
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AppleMaker said:
I've seen some armor icons on that page, and I genuinely interested in scaling them. So basically - is it allowed to scale them the same way we scaled weapons + destructive values?
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Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)

Watching The essential purpose for the thread's dealt with though (as in the points and proposals I sent have been answered), pretty sure the best course now is to just close this thread and redirect to Cracker's more general-purpose thread on the Real World.
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Also still necessary:
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The Real World Discussion Thread

I figured people already knew about this tbh since like obvious the real world ain't that simple so uh, what's the general consensus on my gpe calcs (I fixed them fr this time) I honestly feel like we should raise Wall level since no human has even punched through a wall before
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AppleMaker said:
Well, here are some questions about current state of The Real World on VSBW:
  1. How many animal profiles are outdated and require some CRTs and editing?
  2. Which are the best animal profiles in your opinion (currently the most detailed profile I've seen so far is Gorilla's)?
  3. I've seen some armor icons on that page, and I genuinely interested in scaling them. So basically - is it allowed to scale them the same way we scaled weapons + destructive values?
  4. Are there any reliable ways to scale animals, without using KE and upscalings? I'm just so confused on how to do that, despite my attempts to understand Real World scaling rules
  5. How can I add some obscure animals to the wiki (like spider monkeys, shoebills, pelican eels, mudskippers, binturongs and etc)? Basically how can I evaluate this, after making profiles in the sandbox?
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DarlingAurora and I are pretty much the parents of the entire thing. I just coded most of the rules.

??? raw power and common sense is the way to power scale animals. What's vague about that?
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
DarlingAurora and I are pretty much the parents of the entire thing. I just coded most of the rules.

??? raw power and common sense is the way to power scale animals. What's vague about that?
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The question is about exact values of their AP and how do I calculate raw power anyways without pixel scaling and other things that are applicable only for fiction?
 
That being said, honestly I think robots will eventually surpass us anyway, they can outclass us in strength, intelligence, speed, accuracy and precision, lifespan, etc, but if we work together with them, perhaps we can make even greater achievements. (And so far, there's no AI that can do all of them at once, yet.)
 
For the record, though, I should point this out.
Despite all our abilities, there's still a frickton of ways we can be incapacitated or defeated, and there's a certain irony to it in a sense.

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The Real World Discussion Thread

I don't think indexing a disease on a VS site is any more controversial than it being indexed in any manner of website, medical book, etc. Nobody should get their ******* in a twist over dry facts, even in an unserious hobby such as ours, and if they do then that's their issue, not ours...
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Despite all the crap that the Universe can throw at us, all the harmful conditions and stuff/substances there are, from wars to pandemics... in a way, the biggest reasons we die, in part or whole, is still our own bodies and minds.
Hell, wars and pandemics are both (completely for the former, partially for the latter) our doing, it's still our own bodies and minds giving out or going rogue (ageing-related conditions like multiple organ/system failure and cancers) that cause the most deaths, ionising radiation can be both produced naturally in the cosmos and anthropogenically by humans, and TSEs are technically our own proteins just being misfolded.

(That being said, Nature and the Universe are still WAY more powerful than what we can produce as of now, so welp.)
Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer said:
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Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)

Watching The essential purpose for the thread's dealt with though (as in the points and proposals I sent have been answered), pretty sure the best course now is to just close this thread and redirect to Cracker's more general-purpose thread on the Real World.
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Also still necessary:
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The Real World Discussion Thread

I figured people already knew about this tbh since like obvious the real world ain't that simple so uh, what's the general consensus on my gpe calcs (I fixed them fr this time) I honestly feel like we should raise Wall level since no human has even punched through a wall before
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I have some questions about composite human. So basically - can they harm baseline 9-B creatures with their bare hands or not? To which exact physical values of AP/Durability they scale? Which character can slightly outskill them in combat (not taking into account some obvious skillsloppers like Batman or Re:Zero cast)
 
AppleMaker said:
I have some questions about composite human. So basically - can they harm baseline 9-B creatures with their bare hands or not? To which exact physical values of AP/Durability they scale? Which character can slightly outskill them in combat (not taking into account some obvious skillsloppers like Batman or Re:Zero cast)
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AppleMaker said:
The question is about exact values of their AP and how do I calculate raw power anyways without pixel scaling and other things that are applicable only for fiction?
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1: X being harming another being isn't how the real world always works. That would invite mosquitoes being 10-B or us athletes being in durability, 10-C when our musculoskeletal structures don't shatter like glass. Overpowering things or vaguely but if not contradictory enough, breaking object feats that have precise, quantitative values tend to have more accurate and consistent AP physical ratings.

2: I just asked what's vague specifically. AP isn't as precise IRL for animals. You just have to gain an intuition from them by their weight and the extent of their physical strength proportional to that weight and size.

If you insist in wanting to be that precise in AP feats, you calculate their raw strength feats respectively. For example, bite force is by Aurora's example in Newtons*meters from their PSI.

I'm actually interested in having help calc some old feats I wanted to awhile ago, do you want to finish some of them?
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
I'm actually interested in having help calc some old feats I wanted to awhile ago, do you want to finish some of them?
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Sorry, but currently I'm not ready to do calcs. Thanks for the answers though, I think 5 kj upper limit for Composite Human will do (considering it's that one's rugby player KE)
 
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I'm pretty sure if you do the math, a lot of the hysterical strength/strongman feats of tipping over vehicles redirects the weight. You'd only be lifting a fraction of the vehicle or car's weight. That's not mentioning I don't know the context of the feat.

Imagine if the vehicle is like, 1500 kg in weight and it's lifted at an angle of 5 degrees. (cos5)1500 = 1494.292047 kg towards the ground and you're only lifting 130.7336141 kg the other end.

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Vector components for an object on a slope - Revise: Forces, energy and power - Higher Physics Revision - BBC Bitesize

Study how forces and the motion of objects can be determined using Newton's Laws of motion as part of Higher Physics.
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Kinda off topic, but I want y'all to vote here
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How many Mr. Burnses it takes to defeat ____?

Self explanatory premise - I would use different characters to fight Mr. burns at his weakest key and I we discuss how many Mr. Burnses it would take to actually defeat someone from this list (that could be changed overtime) But here are some rules: There would be 2 conditions - with equal and...
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There are some Real World creatures as well and I'm genuinely curious how many of Mr Burnses it would take to beat them, and possibly some of already existing estimates should be polished a little bit
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
I'm pretty sure if you do the math, a lot of the hysterical strength/strongman feats of tipping over vehicles redirects the weight. You'd only be lifting a fraction of the vehicle or car's weight. That's not mentioning I don't know the context of the feat.

Imagine if the vehicle is like, 1500 kg in weight and it's lifted at an angle of 5 degrees. (cos5)1500 = 1494.292047 kg towards the ground and you're only lifting 130.7336141 kg the other end.

www.bbc.co.uk

Vector components for an object on a slope - Revise: Forces, energy and power - Higher Physics Revision - BBC Bitesize

Study how forces and the motion of objects can be determined using Newton's Laws of motion as part of Higher Physics.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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This is largely how extreme feats of strength are achieved yes. Hysterical strength is a concept perpetuated by people not understanding how the mechanics of lifting something work. It is literally just:

-small woman lifts car off her dad/dog/child/etc
-look inside
-car wasn't even broken off the ground, just raised on its frame from the wheel suspension
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Real World Firearms Un-Cluttering

Firearms section in "The Real World" [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Real_World] is cluttered. Too many things at the same time, piled up without any systematics. So i think we need to split "Firearms" into 2 sections: "Gunpowder Small Arms" and "Gunpowder Artillery". "Gunpowder Small...
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I'm wondering, since this person's helping with further classifying and categorising weapons in the Real World verse page, whether they and other peeps could also consider discussing and possibly implementing other sorts of changes to the page layout in terms of classifications and categorisations of the entries/profiles in the Real World verse page.

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Real World Page Entry Addition And Arrangement Modification Discussion Thread (ie/tldr Real World Discussion Thread)

So... this is gonna be a bit daunting and probably insane coming from me due to being a relative newcomer, but I have some ideas I would like to pose regarding the arrangement and status of the Real World Entries (I'm probably gonna spend most of my time either in Content Revision regarding the...
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I'd definitely suggest adding quite a few more modern-day real-world stuff to VSBW, but I would need help in making pages for and actually calcing and scaling potential new entries beyond just making placeholder images for them in the Real World verse page.

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The Real World Discussion Thread

I figured people already knew about this tbh since like obvious the real world ain't that simple so uh, what's the general consensus on my gpe calcs (I fixed them fr this time) I honestly feel like we should raise Wall level since no human has even punched through a wall before
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I know there's a lot of stuff that can be potentially added so I'm not sure where I should start (armour, weapons and vehicles, or organisms).
 
CrackerVolley said:
I'll join in on that because I've been considering making some profiles for polearms.
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It's that or we change the Spear page name to Polearms and then just add the stats for notable polearms to the page.
Also we should add the Tu-160, Su-57, OMTAS, etc for weapons and vehicles and maybe make a page for Ballistic Missiles the same way there's a page for Cruise Missiles.
 
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