Honkai Cosmology Rework

[korea1234]

but the same statement stated that the Tree became a huge, unrivaled Tree

I would like to point out that this is a mistranslation.

In the Korean or Chinese versions, the expression ‘unrivaled’ does not appear; it only states that it grew into a massive tree.

 

[Mbpoops]

I would like to point out that this is a mistranslation.

In the Korean or Chinese versions, the expression ‘unrivaled’ does not appear; it only states that it grew into a massive tree.

could you show pls (actually curious)

 

[SuperNova55555]

but the same statement stated that the Tree became a huge, unrivaled Tree

Unrivaled isn’t meant to make it juxtaposed to SoQ. It’s just to portray it’s greatness in a flowery (yes, flowery again) way.

(Irontomb is unable to affect the Path Space and it's only able to do so because it focused all its efforts to the Path of Erudition itself) — Aeons who reside in the Path Space as explained in Khaslana's section have to descend to the physical plane, where it's explained in the Simulated Universe and even Mare's statement that well, Aeons in the physical plane are simply projections of them from the Path Space which is why Irontomb's destruction of the cosmos, or the entire physical plane of the Tree is unable to affect other Aeons + Nanook still had other 6 Lord Ravagers to kill other Aeons for a reason.

I have no clue what part of this is supposed to debunk my interpretation.

Otto himself became part of the Tree after transcending reality which is the former that I've mentioned and this is still accepted as a +1 dimensional difference

Those scans are talking about Real Space. And being the origin of something isn’t dimensional superiority. It only worked for Low 1-A because of specific conditions and implications

With this conclusion, the Ether Bathtub and the Sugar Space dimension that's within SoQ are 5-D, the physical plane of the Tree is 6-D through Otto and 7-D from Aeons given their superiority over the physical plane.

No.

however Honkai also uses Hilbert Space

No it doesn’t it’s just referencing the person. It doesn’t even talk about Hilbert Space, no less apply it to any structure cosmologically.

there's this particular Einstein statement that if transfinite cardinals are applied, Earth would be the lowest transfinite cardinal which is to say that it would simply be the equivalent of a Hilbert Space, whether the size is infinite or not, I don't think it should matter since it's still High 1-B as long as the amount of dimensions there is infinite and the Tree being "infinite" in relations to this would mean it's Aleph 1, this applies for the Aeons who would be High 1-B+.

Aleph-1 is the base cardinality for space. This doesn’t even upgrade anything; you can even have transfinite sets which remain 0-dimensional.

 

[korea1234]

could you show pls (actually curious)

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태초 혼돈의 균열에서 새싹이 돋아났고 억만 년 단위의 시간 동안 물 주기를 거듭하여 새싹은 거대한 나무로 자라났다.
거대한 나무의 가지에 화려한 새잎이 달렸고, 잎 하나하나마다 우주 의지의 조각들을 담고 있다.
그 의지는 알아듣기 힘든 언어로 영원히 말을 하고 있지만 절경, 보물, 서사시, 생명을 모든 세계에 주고 있다


I can speak Korean, and at least from what I've seen in Korean, the meaning ‘unrivaled’ doesn't exist.
When I tried translating Chinese into Korean using the Deepl translator, the expression ‘unrivaled’ didn't appear. Of course, since I used a translator, I think it would be necessary to have a Chinese expert on this site translate it directly.

 

[Ascka23]

@korea1234

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This is the original CN text.

于原初混沌的裂隙中萌生了嫩芽，在以亿万年为单位的时间浇灌下，嫩芽长成了无朋巨树。巨树的枝杈上结出了缤纷的嫩叶，每一枚都承载着宇宙意志的碎片。那意志永恒地言说着含混不清的话语，但却将绝景、瑰宝、史诗和生命赠予每个世界。

The keyword here is 无朋巨树, which does mean a giant tree that is unrivaled. 无朋 is a synonym for 无可比拟 which means something absolutely incomparable to anything else, usually describing something that is perfect.

Edit:

Definition for 无可比拟 which is a Chinese idiom with no exact same english term or sentence translation (same goes for 无朋 which is a short for the chinese idiom, which also does not have an exactly same english term or sentence translation)

Baidu article for 无朋

无朋

无朋，读音是wú péng，汉语词语，意思是指无可比拟，也指没有友谊。“无可比拟”一义出自《诗经·唐风·椒聊》：“彼其之子，硕大无朋。”“没有友谊”一义出自宋代欧阳修《朋党论》：“小人无朋，惟君子则有之。”该词最早见于先秦典籍《诗经》，原形容事物巨大无比。唐代杨敬之《华山赋》中“特立无朋”延续了此义，用以形容山峰或人的品格。至宋代，在《朋党论》中被用以论述人际结党关系。

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"无朋"是汉语词汇，拼音为wú péng，注音符号为ㄨˊㄆㄥˊ。其核心释义为"无可比拟"

Translation: "无朋" is a Chinese phrase, pinyin wú péng, zhuyin symbols ㄨˊㄆㄥˊ. Core definition being "无可比拟"

 

[Voidnether]

Unrivaled isn’t meant to make it juxtaposed to SoQ. It’s just to portray it’s greatness in a flowery (yes, flowery again) way.

I have no clue what part of this is supposed to debunk my interpretation.

Those scans are talking about Real Space. And being the origin of something isn’t dimensional superiority. It only worked for Low 1-A because of specific conditions and implications

No.

No it doesn’t it’s just referencing the person. It doesn’t even talk about Hilbert Space, no less apply it to any structure cosmologically.

Aleph-1 is the base cardinality for space. This doesn’t even upgrade anything; you can even have transfinite sets which remain 0-dimensional.

I genuinely did not see how this would debunk my points either, you didn't even prove why or how said statement is flowery when I also linked the entire Otto being transcendent over reality in which he became a part of the Tree, this is atleast +1 dimensional difference. You saying it talks about Real Space only confirms what I've said with how Real Space is 6-D.

I don't know how you interpret it as the "origin of something", this part isn't even there on the scans I've linked, nowhere did the Imaginary Space being the origin of everything was used for this +1 dimensional difference. Nowhere was this debunked.

The scans affirmed the person and the theory itself existed, that's why there's Continuum Hypothesis in the said scan — I already proved that with the amount of dimensions stuff that are infinite, and why they're infinite dimensional axis with the Imaginary Tree being infinite in comparison to this, I am shocked you failed to see how the Aeons superiority over Real Space and Irontomb being unable to affect Path Space except very specific ones, Aeons being projections to the Real Space and whatnot, there's no grounds for the Tree to be comparable to the Sea of Quanta..

At the very least, Sea of Quanta (Low 1-C) < Real Space (1-C, 6-D) < Path Space (1-C, 7-D), you didn't even try to debunk their superiority.. Well, I mean I already asked you for evidence why is it flowery when it's definitely not, the superiority is there. Evidently, Real Space could be High 1-B whilst Path Space is High 1-B+.

 

[SuperNova55555]

he became a part of the Tree, this is atleast +1 dimensional difference.

The same Tree that is 5-dimensional?

I don't know how you interpret it as the "origin of something", this part isn't even there on the scans I've linked, nowhere did the Imaginary Space being the origin of everything was used for this +1 dimensional difference.

You linked to messages in another thread. If I found the wrong links there than that’s on you.

The scans affirmed the person and the theory itself existed, that's why there's Continuum Hypothesis in the said scan

The theory. Can I have where exactly it is reified that these “theories” actually correspond to any structure in the verse?

I already proved that with the amount of dimensions stuff that are infinite

What you have is someone saying that it’s possible for space to have infinite dimensions. Not that any cosmological structure actually has them.

Imaginary Tree being infinite in comparison to this

It is infinite in a transfinite sense. Which is Aleph-1. It requires no additional scaling.

Irontomb being unable to affect Path Space except very specific ones

What does this even implicate? That the character whose job was explicitly to rework the physical universe… only reworks the physical universe?

I am shocked you failed to see how the Aeons superiority over Real Space and Irontomb being unable to affect Path Space except very specific ones, Aeons being projections to the Real Space and whatnot, there's no grounds for the Tree to be comparable to the Sea of Quanta.

I assume you still agree with the logic of my L1A scale ye? You do realize that it now means Imaginary Space is just BDE1, right? I mean, quantitative ordering literally doesn’t exist there, so you can’t even say that coherent comparisons in size exist.

You can just say they need to “project themselves so +1D”; you have to elaborate with facts of the space itself. But as it stands, even a non-physical realm (what IS is) meets all these criteria.

 

[Voidnether]

The same Tree that is 5-dimensional?



You linked to messages in another thread. If I found the wrong links there than that’s on you.


The theory. Can I have where exactly it is reified that these “theories” actually correspond to any structure in the verse?


What you have is someone saying that it’s possible for space to have infinite dimensions. Not that any cosmological structure actually has them.


It is infinite in a transfinite sense. Which is Aleph-1. It requires no additional scaling.


What does this even implicate? That the character whose job was explicitly to rework the physical universe… only reworks the physical universe?


I assume you still agree with the logic of my L1A scale ye? You do realize that it now means Imaginary Space is just BDE1, right? I mean, quantitative ordering literally doesn’t exist there, so you can’t even say that coherent comparisons in size exist.

You can just say they need to “project themselves so +1D”; you have to elaborate with facts of the space itself. But as it stands, even a non-physical realm (what IS is) meets all these criteria.

I already proved why the Tree isn't 5 dimensional. It's superior than the Sea of Quanta which is Low 1-C.

The links are correct, it's in the last part where Durandal stated Otto transcended reality and became part of the Tree.

With Einstein's statement, that if transfinite cardinals are applied, Earth is the lowest transfinite cardinal and this is supported with the infinite amount of dimensions, the Tree is infinite which is atleast Aleph-1. Einstein acknowledged that the amount of dimensions are infinite when she applied the concept.

Yeah, so it is High 1-B+ at the very least.

"Explicitly rework the physical universe" Irontomb had to affect Erudition too, and guess what happened? Its scope is limited within Erudition Path Space, that's it, it doesn't affect the "metaphysical" universe like Eden of Blessed Insight and so on.

So you'd agree Aeons projecting themselves in Real Space is atleast a +1 dimensional difference? Dude, do you even disagree with the thread or not, I proposed that at the very minimum, Sea of Quanta is Low 1-C since it contains infinite amounts of Bubble Worlds + Ryusuke R>F scan is also from there, then we have the Imaginary Tree which houses Real Space (6-D) and Path Space (7-D), said Real and Path Space could be High 1-B (Aleph-0) and High 1-B+ (Aleph-1) through the Einstein statement that you have no contentions about since you agreed it was Aleph-1 anyway (?).

Make it clear

 

[Voidnether]

Just so you know, I debunked the entire "But Imaginary Tree is only Low 1-C like SoQ" just because the Tree originated from it, the problem is that it became an unrivaled Tree after + Otto's transcendence over reality and became part of the Tree is textbook 6-D.

Then we have the Aeons being superior to this 6-D stuff (Real Space) given they have to descend, project, manifest themselves.

I'm genuinely confused, High 1-B is not that hard, as long as the dimensions are infinite in quantity then it gets it even if it's finite sized the same way Blue Archive got its High 1-B (and stayed, even after being downgraded once which only makes it so it doesn't scale to anyone) like, then you agreed IT is Aleph-1 or High 1-B+

 

[SuperNova55555]

I already proved why the Tree isn't 5 dimensional. It's superior than the Sea of Quanta which is Low 1-C.

It’s not superior to SoQ. Doesn’t even make sense for it to be.

With Einstein's statement, that if transfinite cardinals are applied, Earth is the lowest transfinite cardinal and this is supported with the infinite amount of dimensions, the Tree is infinite which is atleast Aleph-1. Einstein acknowledged that the amount of dimensions are infinite when she applied the concept.

Can you just stop repeating the same shit over and over without actually addressing my contentions?

Not only are you using unrelated scans even after I told you why they don’t work, but your scale doesn’t even make sense; High 1-B+ being Aleph-1 is a literal anti-feat.

"Explicitly rework the physical universe" Irontomb had to affect Erudition too, and guess what happened? Its scope is limited within Erudition Path Space, that's it, it doesn't affect the "metaphysical" universe like Eden of Blessed Insight and so on.

How is this related?

So you'd agree Aeons projecting themselves in Real Space is atleast a +1 dimensional difference?

No????? How did you get this??

Sea of Quanta is Low 1-C since it contains infinite amounts of Bubble Worlds

This isn’t the reason. It’s the implied 5D bulk. This was stated by me and Strym multiple times.

the Imaginary Tree which houses Real Space (6-D) and Path Space (7-D), said Real and Path Space could be High 1-B (Aleph-0)

First of all, why are you conflating cardinality for cardinality of the number of dimensions? You’re making shit up now. Wtf

Einstein statement that you have no contentions about since you agreed it was Aleph-1 anyway (?).

Aleph-1 in the normal space way

 

[Mbpoops]

Just a quick question but why us the alien space r>f the only one ever used when nagamitsu and otto both explain r>f in thus spoke apocolypse if its alr debunked mb

 

[Voidnether]

It’s not superior to SoQ. Doesn’t even make sense for it to be.


Can you just stop repeating the same shit over and over without actually addressing my contentions?

Not only are you using unrelated scans even after I told you why they don’t work, but your scale doesn’t even make sense; High 1-B+ being Aleph-1 is a literal anti-feat.


How is this related?


No????? How did you get this??


This isn’t the reason. It’s the implied 5D bulk. This was stated by me and Strym multiple times.


First of all, why are you conflating cardinality for cardinality of the number of dimensions? You’re making shit up now. Wtf


Aleph-1 in the normal space way

1. "Well, the IT being superior to SoQ just doesn't make sense and it's flowery" <- Your entire argument rn, since this is my last reply, I asked you to prove why it's not superior and you failed to do so multiple times

2. How is an aleph-1 dimensions be the anti-feat for High 1-B+? Aleph-1 dimensions are literally baseline High 1-B+, I already linked the post that explained more about this, I am shocked you didn't caught on the fact that aleph-0 dimensions are practically High 1-B and that aleph-1 dimensions would simply be High 1-B+, that's literally it

What is there to address? Like, I don't even know if you disagree with the thread or not, what am I supposed to do lmao (and it's not like I'm gonna continue this, since it would make this bloat to 10 pages or so)

 

[Furina003]

Bro, are you kidding me? The previous CRT hasn't even been implemented yet, is this okay? , I will probably read the post and give my opinion

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Following. I disagree with the thread due to Nova's response.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Also, I'm pretty sure you cannot create a thread literally hours after a downgrade being accepted.

Crazy levels of cope.

 

[Voidnether]

Just a quick question but why us the alien space r>f the only one ever used when nagamitsu and otto both explain r>f in thus spoke apocolypse if its alr debunked mb

And that one too yeah

Bro, are you kidding me? The previous CRT hasn't even been implemented yet, is this okay? , I will probably read the post and give my opinion

Err, it should be fine, this thread is fixing the mess that happened with the last downgrade attempt (by making it so atleast SoQ is Low 1-C, Real Space is 1-C as in 6-D and Path Space is 1-C as in 7-D, then we have the entire High 1-B & High 1-B+ argument that's not evaluated by the staff yet)

 

[Voidnether]

Also, I'm pretty sure you cannot create a thread literally hours after a downgrade being accepted.

Crazy levels of cope.

Why are you so pressed over me clarifying that the Imaginary Tree should be 1-C in comparison to SoQ who's Low 1-C? This is like the purpose of the thread

You just can't create a thread with the same argument, which is not what I'm doing here so uh yeah take it as you will

 

[korea1234]

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"But growth is countered by a force - a selective and corrective system in the Tree's rivalry against the Sea."

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What do you think about the phrase stating that trees and the sea are in rivalry?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

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"But growth is countered by a force - a selective and corrective system in the Tree's rivalry against the Sea."

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What do you think about the phrase stating that trees and the sea are in rivalry?

thats a statement from hi3, hsr acknowledges tree as superior to SoQ theres no need for that

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Unironically apparently all IT > SOQ scans are actually all the latest ones

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Unironically apparently all IT > SOQ scans are actually all the latest ones

same goes for soq and compactified dimensions but defending hoyo equals ****** and has no right to speak thats why

 

[SuperNova55555]

Can I have the statement that says the Tree has Aleph-1 dimensions?

Genuinely baffling logic

 

[Voidnether]

Can I have the statement that says the Tree has Aleph-1 dimensions?

Genuinely baffling logic

You admitted the Tree thats infinite in comparison to atleast be Aleph-1 iirc

 

[SuperNova55555]

You admitted the Tree thats infinite in comparison to atleast be Aleph-1 iirc

Aleph 1 yea.

But Aleph 1 is applicable to 0-dimensional constructs.

I’m asking you where it’s stated it’s talking about the number of non-compacted spatial dimensions?

 

[Furina003]

Just so you know, I debunked the entire "But Imaginary Tree is only Low 1-C like SoQ" just because the Tree originated from it, the problem is that it became an unrivaled Tree after + Otto's transcendence over reality and became part of the Tree is textbook 6-D.

Actually being unrivaled has a very broad meaning, especially after I read the scan and it was not explained in what perspective IT is unrivaled? for example, h3a characters will be unrivaled by characters who only have normal human strength, but if from the perspective of tier 1A characters, h3a characters have no meaning at all. so what I mean is, the word "unrivaled" can not be a benchmark at all to say that IT is far superior to SoQ, this is just a misinterpretation

 

[Voidnether]

Actually being unrivaled has a very broad meaning, especially after I read the scan and it was not explained in what perspective IT is unrivaled? for example, h3a characters will be unrivaled by characters who only have normal human strength, but if from the perspective of tier 1A characters, h3a characters have no meaning at all. so what I mean is, the word "unrivaled" can not be a benchmark at all to say that IT is far superior to SoQ, this is just a misinterpretation

Otto transcended reality as in he transcended SoQ, that's the context of "unrivaled" here, there's this too

Aleph 1 yea.

But Aleph 1 is applicable to 0-dimensional constructs.

I’m asking you where it’s stated it’s talking about the number of non-compacted spatial dimensions?

Honkai Cosmology Rework

I'll split this into two parts. 1. It was accepted here that the Tree should scale to the Sea of Quanta since it's apparently born from the "primordial chaos", but the same statement stated that the Tree became a huge, unrivaled Tree — Which means, undisputedly the Tree would have to be...

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Whether the size is compacted or not, it's still High 1-B just like Blue Archive so yeah

 

[Mbpoops]

Otto transcended reality as in he transcended SoQ, that's the context of "unrivaled" here, there's this too

Honkai Cosmology Rework

I'll split this into two parts. 1. It was accepted here that the Tree should scale to the Sea of Quanta since it's apparently born from the "primordial chaos", but the same statement stated that the Tree became a huge, unrivaled Tree — Which means, undisputedly the Tree would have to be...

vsbattles.com

Whether the size is compacted or not, it's still High 1-B just like Blue Archive so yeah

Tbf couldnt he just nuke blue archive aswell?

 

[Voidnether]

Tbf couldnt he just nuke blue archive aswell?

You have to wait 3 months unfortunately, the last thread is rejected since it's still High 1-B but no one scales (the downgrade attempt iirc)

 

[SuperNova55555]

Actually being unrivaled has a very broad meaning, especially after I read the scan and it was not explained in what perspective IT is unrivaled? for example, h3a characters will be unrivaled by characters who only have normal human strength, but if from the perspective of tier 1A characters, h3a characters have no meaning at all. so what I mean is, the word "unrivaled" can not be a benchmark at all to say that IT is far superior to SoQ, this is just a misinterpretation

It’s talking about “unrivaled” in the most flowery sense possible. As in, the Tree is very big.

It’s one of the most basic hyperboles in fiction and they’ll still take it to be High 1-B.

This is arguably one of the single worst arguments I have heard for infinite-dimensional ever.

Otto transcended reality as in he transcended SoQ, that's the context of "unrivaled" here

Completely outta your ass. The statements aren’t even connected in the slightest.

Whether the size is compacted or not, it's still High 1-B just like Blue Archive so yeah

This misses the whole point, and don’t even start with those scans you linked. Not only do they say it’s only “possible”, as in, a space might be able to have them (which you still haven’t proved it talks about even a single structure), but it’s completely unrelated to the transfinity statement. You keep conflating things out of genuinely nowhere.

 

[Voidnether]

It’s talking about “unrivaled” in the most flowery sense possible. As in, the Tree is very big.

It’s one of the most basic hyperboles in fiction and they’ll still take it to be High 1-B.

This is arguably one of the single worst arguments I have heard for infinite-dimensional ever.


Completely outta your ass. The statements aren’t even connected in the slightest.


This misses the whole point, and don’t even start with those scans you linked. Not only do they say it’s only “possible”, as in, a space might be able to have them (which you still haven’t proved it talks about even a single structure), but it’s completely unrelated to the transfinity statement. You keep conflating things out of genuinely nowhere.

How? I linked the thread where a Thread Moderator agreed it's +1 dimensional difference since the Tree transcends SoQ through Otto transcending reality.

It's connected, the dimensions of space that can be infinite is already infinite lines perpendicular in spatial axes to each other.

Earth as the lowest cardinal would mean that it's aleph-0 dimensions at the lowest.

Why would we treat the entirety of Sea of Quanta, Imaginary Tree and Imaginary Space to all be Low 1-C based on your thread when there's obvious superiority?

Really, them being 1-C doesn't hurt much + it clarifies their relationships more

 

[SweetDao]

Yeah I'll disagree ngl.

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah I'll disagree ngl.

Disagreeing with 1-C is insane though that's all I gotta say lowkey, since there's obvious superiority and not them being equal but it is what it is

 

[korea1234]

thats a statement from hi3, hsr acknowledges tree as superior to SoQ theres no need for that

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"But growth is countered by a force - a selective and corrective system in the Tree's rivalry against the Sea."

"A natural system based upon the Imaginary mechanics. It breeds, nurtures, tests, and removes."

"This is what humanity describes as the Honkai."

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The explanation above states that the ‘Honkai’ phenomenon occurs because the tree and the sea compete with each other.

The ‘Honkai’ phenomenon, simply put, is the repeated cycle of birth and destruction.

However, HSR's description of the imaginary tree includes the statement that birth and destruction are repeated.

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This theory describes the various worlds existing in different spacetimes as having a tree-like structure. Every branch is a specific path along which worlds might exist, with every leaf being the marks these worlds have made along the parameter of time. The crown of the tree remains in a dynamic state as it absorbs the masterless Imaginary Energy from the space-time vasculature of the trunk. New shoots grow, withered leaves fall, and endless births and deaths occur among the infinite universe... Describing the universe's structure as a "tree" may be an attitude that views the Imaginary Tree as a life form.

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[SuperNova55555]

Earth as the lowest cardinal would mean that it's aleph-0 dimensions at the lowest.

Earth???

Aleph 0 dimensions???????

What????

 

[SuperNova55555]

I’m not even that against 6D inherently even if I find the proof insufficient.

But the High 1-B stuff is genuinely baffling to me

 

[Voidnether]

Earth???

Aleph 0 dimensions???????

What????

?

 

[Voidnether]

I’m not even that against 6D inherently even if I find the proof insufficient.

But the High 1-B stuff is genuinely baffling to me

So do you disagree with the entire 6-7D or not because I'm going to list you there if you don't, if you'll agree I'd just take it you disagree with High 1-B

 

[PedjaTarzan]

However, HSR's description of the imaginary tree includes the statement that birth and destruction are repeated.

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This theory describes the various worlds existing in different spacetimes as having a tree-like structure. Every branch is a specific path along which worlds might exist, with every leaf being the marks these worlds have made along the parameter of time. The crown of the tree remains in a dynamic state as it absorbs the masterless Imaginary Energy from the space-time vasculature of the trunk. New shoots grow, withered leaves fall, and endless births and deaths occur among the infinite universe... Describing the universe's structure as a "tree" may be an attitude that views the Imaginary Tree as a life form.

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where in this quote have you seen equality between soq and tree, and where did you find its "repeated" genuenly why are we acting that its somehow impossible to surpass something at all? this is not 1-A where it would be an anti feat if you are made from an non 1-A structure to ascend into 1-A, but this is the IT going from whatever SoQ is to grow superior in comparasion to it.

 

[Voidnether]

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"But growth is countered by a force - a selective and corrective system in the Tree's rivalry against the Sea."

"A natural system based upon the Imaginary mechanics. It breeds, nurtures, tests, and removes."

"This is what humanity describes as the Honkai."

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The explanation above states that the ‘Honkai’ phenomenon occurs because the tree and the sea compete with each other.

The ‘Honkai’ phenomenon, simply put, is the repeated cycle of birth and destruction.

However, HSR's description of the imaginary tree includes the statement that birth and destruction are repeated.

Welcome to HoYoWiki!

This is the database co-built by HoYoLAB editors and players~

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This theory describes the various worlds existing in different spacetimes as having a tree-like structure. Every branch is a specific path along which worlds might exist, with every leaf being the marks these worlds have made along the parameter of time. The crown of the tree remains in a dynamic state as it absorbs the masterless Imaginary Energy from the space-time vasculature of the trunk. New shoots grow, withered leaves fall, and endless births and deaths occur among the infinite universe... Describing the universe's structure as a "tree" may be an attitude that views the Imaginary Tree as a life form.

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There's no Honkai phenomenon in HSR though

 

[SuperNova55555]

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Mind you. The same leaf world being explicitly stated to be 4-dimensional is being wanked to Aleph-0 dimensions by a statement that doesn’t even say that.

The cardinality here is being used vaguely and I’ve heard from multiple sources that it’s just talking about Honkai energy

And mind you again. An Aleph-0 space doesn’t even qualify for Tier 2.

So do you disagree with the entire 6-7D or not because I'm going to list you there if you don't, if you'll agree I'd just take it you disagree with High 1-B

I disagree. I’m just saying that I don’t find it impossible for it to be true.