Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3

[3Pencil]

As a result, 100% Debuff Res. Up
is functionally identical to debuff immunity. However, it is mechanically different from Veil (1 time)
or Immune, which "Resist" debuffs. As a result, debuffs that can bypass Veil/Immune may still be avoided by maximizing Debuff Res.

Base
Immune
100%
200%

Which could mean since debuff res. Doesn't cap at 100%, 200% should resist what 100% couldn't since that's not the cap

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

problem with Alter Seofon

He's actually more goated if we included the Live Stage story in 2024 Fes
where he basically fought
Sandalphon, Cagliostro, Dragon Knights, with their special weapons, all at once
and was able to temporarily mind control them using failed simulations.

He is even capable of summoning copies of Beelzebub, belialetc

WHILE AURA FARMING

i think if we are to include The Live Stage version he should get his own profile

 

[Hizack123]

problem with Alter Seofon

He's actually more goated if we included the Live Stage story in 2024 Fes
where he basically fought
Sandalphon, Cagliostro, Dragon Knights, with their special weapons, all at once
and was able to temporarily mind control them using failed simulations.

He is even capable of summoning copies of Beelzebub, belialetc

WHILE AURA FARMING

i think if we are to include The Live Stage version he should get his own profile

Hah

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Almost done with Orologia profile.
I will update Seofon profile and make a separate profile for alternate Seofon

And our electricity got cutted off over some contract violation shenanigans and being disputed so I can't open my PC and continue work

Most of it are finished already anyway

 

[3Pencil]

Almost done with Orologia profile.
I will update Seofon profile and make a separate profile for alternate Seofon

And our electricity got cutted off over some contract violation shenanigans and being disputed so I can't open my PC and continue work

Most of it are finished already anyway

You uploading after posting or wait for CRT to get accepted? Cuz if you don't wait probably gonna be another work again

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

You uploading after posting or wait for CRT to get accepted? Cuz if you don't wait probably gonna be another work again

Can post them tbh
The changes for Orologia is just having a divine being key from boundary

While alter Seofon and Seofon would just stay in 8D
With 1-A hax from boundary

 

[3Pencil]

Can post them tbh
The changes for Orologia is just having a divine being key from boundary

Good then
And then there are other 6Ds and important characters who haven't gotten their profile, but since there's orologia it's not that important

While alter Seofon and Seofon would just stay in 8D
With 1-A hax from boundary

Should be added to AP, no?
Unlike will power

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Should be added to AP, no?
Unlike will power

It should but I would be discussed separately after the explanation page in another crt. There are some problems in regards to gaining 1-A physicals while still existing in a lower world and most of the time it would just be hax on that level rather than being actual physicals.

But if that is allowed somehow then boundary peeps would straight up be 1-A and Orologia would also be 1-A.

If people sees 1-A for Estalucia can work then it is necessary to actual tackle possible contradiction in terms of scaling since 1-A cannot be divided to be any lower than 1-A

And if we assume omnipotents avatar where they draw their power from isn't 1-A then he wouldn't be powering boundary or Estalucia (though this is pretty moot seeing how Estalucia is fine without the Omnipotent's avatar and iirc the power is mostly in the Throne and not the Avatar. The avatar is just a standee after all for deciding).

 

[Hizack123]

Almost done with Orologia profile.
I will update Seofon profile and make a separate profile for alternate Seofon

And our electricity got cutted off over some contract violation shenanigans and being disputed so I can't open my PC and continue work

Most of it are finished already anyway

Damn

 

[3Pencil]

It should but I would be discussed separately after the explanation page in another crt. There are some problems in regards to gaining 1-A physicals while still existing in a lower world and most of the time it would just be hax on that level rather than being actual physicals.

Tbh I don't actually see the problem
Since we have actually seen pure Phoenix who is as strong as the omnipotent exchange blows with omnipotent version captain. And unlike the otherworlders and gods captain/alter siete, siete (?) can draw power from the boundary without relying on a vessel or external source, they have boundary imprints already so it's more into physical than hax based

If people sees 1-A for Estalucia can work then it is necessary to actual tackle possible contradiction in terms of scaling since 1-A cannot be divided to be any lower than 1-A

Depends if boundary gets accepted to 1A with monism or above creation/idea of death but 1A actually makes more sense than L1A

And if we assume omnipotents avatar where they draw their power from isn't 1-A then he wouldn't be powering boundary or Estalucia (though this is pretty moot seeing how Estalucia is fine without the Omnipotent's avatar and iirc the power is mostly in the Throne and not the Avatar. The avatar is just a standee after all for deciding).

1A for the clone since it still governed cycle of life and death prior to getting dragged down and we do know the clone exist in the seventh heaven ( the boundary/throne) why the sacred perch is different
It's either the clone is maintaining estalucia or rei

Anyways, divine beings can't manifest without vessels. And as we know already raziel did ask the omnipotent for permission before manifesting his power, so is that even the divine form which isn't possible or the clone which again isn't possible since boundary is far inferior, or ?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Tbh I don't actually see the problem
Since we have actually seen pure Phoenix who is as strong as the omnipotent exchange blows with omnipotent version captain. And unlike the otherworlders and gods captain/alter siete, siete (?) can draw power from the boundary without relying on a vessel or external source, they have boundary imprints already so it's more into physical than hax based


Depends if boundary gets accepted to 1A with monism or above creation/idea of death but 1A actually makes more sense than L1A

1A for the clone since it still governed cycle of life and death prior to getting dragged down and we do know the clone exist in the seventh heaven ( the boundary/throne) why the sacred perch is different
It's either the clone is maintaining estalucia or rei

Anyways, divine beings can't manifest without vessels. And as we know already raziel did ask the omnipotent for permission before manifesting his power, so is that even the divine form which isn't possible or the clone which again isn't possible since boundary is far inferior, or ?

fair argument on the Raziel's part

I do think that Otherworld does use the idea of death to be low 1-A and have dimensional-reaching capabilities
But the otherworlds themselves aren't really the idea of death and simply using it since they got inadvertently connected to the idea of the afterlife and thus command death

This would still mean ideas of death and concept can remain low 1-A while otherworld can have 1-A rating via using Captain's Boundary Imprint to drag down clone

Atm that is the most coherent argument we can have without going into circular argument or everyone and their Dads are 1-A

So yes Boundary wielders can get 1-A via this for scaling
but we do get them also saying they are still human so durability should be the next question, whether it would scale or not
but if we use UES it should be possible and we already have enough reason to assume UES with how Mugen's Spirit also gets empowered by boundary that those who invade his mind/spirit can get killed by him by accident by just having a tantrum

also its been 12 days but our electricity is back finally

 

[Hizack123]

Ey welcome back

 

[3Pencil]

This would still mean ideas of death and concept can remain low 1-A while otherworld can have 1-A rating via using Captain's Boundary Imprint to drag down clone

It should be their range

Atm that is the most coherent argument we can have without going into circular argument or everyone and their Dads are 1-A

Makes sense

So yes Boundary wielders can get 1-A via this for scaling
but we do get them also saying they are still human so durability should be the next question, whether it would scale or not
but if we use UES it should be possible and we already have enough reason to assume UES with how Mugen's Spirit also gets empowered by boundary that those who invade his mind/spirit can get killed by him by accident by just having a tantrum

Another thing to note is that, boundary wielders doesn't just bypass otherworldy nature instead they overpower with their potency and permanently destroy them, just like what happened to Maxwell.

And the matter of their mortal vessel was referring to how long they can stay connected to the boundary not actually their durability since we saw the eternals tanking attacks from an enraged mugen, and speaking of durability wedges should get 1A durability even in their physical form because of orologia unless her nature as the wedge of time and causality makes her more durable..... Which I doubt

also its been 12 days but our electricity is back finally

Ah thought as much..... Welcome back

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

And the matter of their mortal vessel was referring to how long they can stay connected to the boundary not actually their durability since we saw the eternals tanking attacks from an enraged mugen, and speaking of durability wedges should get 1A durability even in their physical form because of orologia unless her nature as the wedge of time and causality makes her more durable..... Which I doubt

Well Since Estalucia is 1-A
Then should be the boundary and anything created or have their trueselves in it.
which includes Orologia. We do remember they say they are only limited by their mental capacity, so it lines up

As for the Physicals, that is for Orologia fully manifesting itself as a wedge, AKA true form, which prior to it, also used the boundary to simulate a lot of things etc.
Other Wedges, like the Six Dragon, could also actually still fight Oro at that state, but would destroy reality.

Though one of the anti-feats is the fact that we also fought Galleon's true form without much to save Vyrn, although inside her body.

So we can say Orologia is a special case because among the wedges he is the only one that can connect to the boundary freely unlike the others

 

[3Pencil]

Well Since Estalucia is 1-A
Then should be the boundary and anything created or have their trueselves in it.
which includes Orologia. We do remember they say they are only limited by their mental capacity, so it lines up

As for the Physicals, that is for Orologia fully manifesting itself as a wedge, AKA true form, which prior to it, also used the boundary to simulate a lot of things etc.
Other Wedges, like the Six Dragon, could also actually still fight Oro at that state, but would destroy reality.

Though one of the anti-feats is the fact that we also fought Galleon's true form without much to save Vyrn, although inside her body.

So we can say Orologia is a special case because among the wedges he is the only one that can connect to the boundary freely unlike the others

Tbh I doubt their dragon form is actually their divine form, might just be another form they take for convenience sake since we have mention of siete stating once you become powerful you start to resemble the omnipotent more and more, which is the dragon form, and the fact that except estalucia and divine realm no other realm can contain Divine beings in their true form.
Same reasons why the astral couldn't manifest primals but could only take myths/stories, so I wouldn't call that an anti feat, infact I would call their dragon form being the true one an anti-feat for divine beings

And as we know already concept of physical individuality for divine beings is different from God's like bahamut and astralia, plus the clone of the omnipotent getting weak after he was dragged down to skyrealm

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I mean, if we look at Nectar, who is stated to be removed as a wedge before he can even take shape, it would make sense
But what we know is that all of them originated from the Omnipotent's power to create; hence, unlike Divine Beings in the Divine Realm, their true selves or original selves exist in the boundary that allowed Nectar to regain his power.

If we assume that so.

Then Once again, Orologia is a special case cause unlike the rest. He connected to the boundary to create simulations and stored them in his personality, which can then manifest physically. In his dragon form, when they are attempting to take over, and when Captain actually landed a blow on him, it brought both of them into a realm where they talked about Captain's mother

So whether or not the Dragon is their true form would still not change how Special Orologia is for having access to the Boundary

 

[3Pencil]

I mean, if we look at Nectar, who is stated to be removed as a wedge before he can even take shape, it would make sense
But what we know is that all of them originated from the Omnipotent's power to create; hence, unlike Divine Beings in the Divine Realm, their true selves or original selves exist in the boundary that allowed Nectar to regain his power.

If we assume that so.

It exists in the boundary, sure, but is the dragon form the one which exists in the boundary? Because afaik, nothing of such has been mentioned or close to that, I would say it's actually still the same as the omnipotent in the sense that physical manifestation and real bodies holds no relation or whatsoever, and from the case of nectar we can assume the omnipotent simply cut off his connection with his true form

So whether or not the Dragon is their true form would still not change how Special Orologia is for having access to the Boundary

I know

And as we know already concept of physical individuality for divine beings is different from God's like bahamut and astralia, plus the clone of the omnipotent getting weak after he was dragged down to skyrealm

 

[3Pencil]

Lore accurate lyria

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

So I guess we separate Orologia from the rest due to special scenario so wedges manifestation does not scale to them
but with access to their power from their true form they are practically equal and can affect each other (but would result to reality being destroyed)

In the same way, they can remove wedges from Sky-realm with Tensura collab

Speaking off i should check if Granblue fes has a stream
hopefully another drama story

 

[3Pencil]

Another zodiac event with horse

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

umagami

 

[Hizack123]

Another zodiac event with horse

Goldship arrive to save Zodiac event

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Edem will be the horse zodiac.
She didn't disappear even after the Collab concluded
it would make sense smh

 

[3Pencil]

Goldship arrive to save Zodiac event

THE WORLD NEEDS GOLSHI

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

they announced main story release is today

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

The Otherworld/Chaos might not be an ally of The Blue Will/The Great Will.

We have Dawnlight spirits as Envoy of the Great Will and consider Lyria their mother (Because she has her factor, obviously)

We also have Demons who possess entities and strengthen them that Dawnlight spirits exorcise

 

[ZERO7772]

My queen looking nice

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

My queen looking nice

Bro did a cloud feat

should be tier 5-C

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Anyway

Taboo Nature are basically like contradiction
but the worse part about them are
None Can resist them
None May Resist them

and even regular high ranking demons can already possess a primal beast without issue and them having possessed strong vessels causes laws of physics to not make sense
basically like Otherworldly or Chaos like things

Since we've seen Lucilius?? talk about something similar to what Odiant has, which has Taboo Nature

Eitherway Taboo nature are big deal that not even Dawnlight Spirits can exorcise them normally

 

[3Pencil]

Bro did a cloud feat

should be tier 5-C

Not really surprising since she's as strong as base eahta

 

[3Pencil]

And somebody tell me WHY and HOW lyria still doesn't know the blue will=great will=the current, it was literally mentioned by astralia during estalucia or did devs forgot what they wrote

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

And somebody tell me WHY and HOW lyria still doesn't know the blue will=great will=the current, it was literally mentioned by astralia during estalucia or did devs forgot what they wrote

different names
She doesn't want to assume
though they mentioned that maybe they are connected

 

[3Pencil]

Lucilius is probably the fina boss of this arc and might even be the one moving behind the shadows
Blue will pretty chill now

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

NAh can't be Lucilius, he seems to be an Odiant though.
Which is somehow something the Great Will is also fighting against??

For all we know Blue Will might just be Great Will's brother (joke)

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Erm PHOENIX!?

 

[3Pencil]

Erm PHOENIX!?

As excepted
Mummy Phoenix

 

[ZERO7772]

Bro did a cloud feat

should be tier 5-C

When again?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

phoenix no diffed Beelzebub

When again?

In the new story, she dispelled a massive tornado that not even Tiamat could dispel

and in her character fate episode her slash split through clouds, turning the entire sky clear when fighting Funf

 

[ZERO7772]

can you link me the new story? Can't find it.

 

[ZERO7772]

phoenix no diffed Beelzebub

In the new story, she dispelled a massive tornado that not even Tiamat could dispel

and in her character fate episode her slash split through clouds, turning the entire sky clear when fighting Funf

This mf bubs will always be on team jobber.