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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

LilyNakahara said:
Hmm now that you do mention Real Space emerges from Imaginary Space there's this in the tiering system FAQ

Q: What tier is being the source of dimensions?

A: Depends. This sort of feat can easily be treated the same way as creation and stabilization feats, if it meets the standards for them. It can potentially serve as supporting evidence for 1-A, but since it ultimately boils down to causal power, and doesn't say anything about the nature of a character's existence, it ultimately defaults to scaling to however many dimensions there are in the verse.

So being the source of dimensions can be a supporting evidence for 1A according to the tiering and Imaginary Number Space being the source of Real Space should qualify for this?

Idk tho I just thought of this

1A INS seems strong
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Wow, seems like things are really coming together
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
Dark Tower is another verse that’s been glazed to an extreme degree (I’ll probably downgrade it once I finish with DKD).

I have no idea about Elder Scrolls or Yin Xianxia Powerscaling Shen (and I’ll probably never read the novels).
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Tell me you don't know anything about YTSY without telling me you don't know anything about YTYS:

I can tell from the first YTSY tier 0 CRT that you're being intentionally ignorant about it, calling it a battleboarding/powerscaling verse, even though Rakih_Elyan already told you what the novel is about. Isn't it common sense in powerscaling community, especially in VSBW, to not talk shit about verses you don't know anything about?

I have read both Soul of Searing Steel until about chapter 900+ and Monster Will Die if They Are Killed until chapter 619. All those scans you call "battleboarding jargon" that boosted the verse to 1-A and above only exist in the very late part of the novels. Three Aspects of Infinity, Eternity, and Absolute, Multiversal Prison, Torrents, Transcender, etc.. are rarely if not never mentioned in the early and middle part of the novels. The only exceptions are Great Existences since they're a large part of the plot in Monster Will Die if They Are Killed. Even in Soul of Searing Steel, the Three Aspects of Infinity, Eternity, and Absolute are only fully talked about starting from chapter 900+.

In the early and middle part of the novels, the scaling is actually more grounded (ignoring the smurfed haxes) than most Xianxia verses in VSBW. There are no exaggerated numbers like in the usual Xianxia (Ergen, Desolate Era, etc..). If you ignore the smurfed haxes and limit it to the same tier as their key, they would be weaker than most Xianxias here.

Also to give you an example of what Rakih_Elyan means by "everyone and their moms have their own ideology and philosophy", here's a side character (important to the plot though) from the novel (ignore the strange translation. It's from WTR-lab):
However, there was still one thing that greatly puzzled him.

"There's one thing I still don't understand."

The young man's tone carried confusion: "Since you have been Reborn thirty thousand times, wouldn't you be intimately familiar with the identities, thoughts, personalities, and achievements of most hidden enemies?"

"If so, why don't you eliminate those threatening existences in advance? Some people, even if you capture them, you don't kill, like Yan Changfeng, and the many Zhengyang Remnants I captured... Why not kill them all?"

This was what greatly puzzled Su Zhou.

Since he already knew where the enemy's threats lay, why didn't he deal with all threats in advance?

Knowing everything so clearly, yet doing nothing, such a thing was too strange.

"Can killing solve the problem?"

Ming Zhengde's answer was equally concise.

He stood at the head of the study, shaking his head slightly: "It is precisely because the gods and demons are so powerful that we should gather all our strength to fight against them."

"Only by making more friends and fewer enemies can we clear our path—when necessary, we even need to temporarily cooperate with one side of the gods and demons, only then can we move towards a more Perfect future."

"Temporary cooperation is fine, as long as you have confidence."

Su Zhou stroked his chin, quite puzzled: "But other people, for example, those remnants of Zhengyang Kingdom, aren't they your enemies? And they have already committed evil."

Hearing this, Ming Zhengde frowned. He slowly shook his head: "That's only in this lifetime... Moreover, weren't they captured by you before they could start committing evil?"

"Since they haven't, that means there's still hope for them."

The Human Emperor's words made Su Zhou frown as well.

At this moment, he vaguely felt that Ming Zhengde had given him a strange sense of contradiction from the very beginning.

It was a kind of... logical contradiction that was somewhat different from ordinary people.

—Indeed.

Ming Zhengde, having undergone Rebirth after Rebirth over thirty thousand lifetimes and millions of years, such an existence, his logical thinking could indeed not be the same as a normal person's.

He would indeed fight for all beings, and for the myriad people of this world, he would oppose the gods and demons.

And these "all beings"... "Perhaps, that also includes Zhengyang Kingdom, and even other human factions?"

Thinking of this, Su Zhou couldn't help but continue to ask, "But don't forget, Ming Zhengde, these Zhengyang Remnants' accomplices, directly and indirectly killed over a hundred million people!"

"They made mistakes, so they should be punished!"

A hundred million.

Ten thousand times ten thousand.

In daily social interactions, a person can only know and be familiar with about two hundred people.

A whole school of several thousand people is enough to make it impossible to recognize everyone, and even if a Cultivator's memory is extraordinary, their social circle is only so large.

When the number of people exceeds ten thousand, it becomes incomprehensible, leading to a loss of empathy, and human lives turn into a string of numbers.

But even if it's just a string of numbers...

The unit of a hundred million is too vast.

To Su Zhou, as his Incarnation traveled across the ten states of the New Dynasty, searching for Zhengyang Remnants in various places, he saw the ruined cities caused by the remnants' repeated raids.

Beneath them were countless blood-soaked corpses, endless grievances and wronged Souls.

And before this, they all had peaceful and happy lives.

Su Zhou still remembered that when he learned of this news, Ming Zhengde's indignation and shock were not false; he even disregarded himself and hastily left to return to the capital to handle related matters.

He should have detested, even hated, those Zhengyang Kingdom remnants.

However, the next moment...

Su Zhou heard an answer that he found incredibly absurd.

"It was all my fault."

The moment the other party's voice sounded, the young man looked up, casting an incredulous gaze at him.

But Ming Zhengde didn't notice at all.

The dignified middle-aged man now had his eyes closed, genuinely and sincerely blaming himself, "I was too focused on the appearance of Perfected Person Zhuzhou, and I forgot to make arrangements for related matters, disrupting the subsequent steps of action, which gave them the opportunity to do evil."

"It's all my..."

"Wait, what does this have to do with you?" Su Zhou couldn't help but interrupt, but Ming Zhengde shook his head, signaling the young man to pause for a moment, then continued, "It's all my fault. If I had been a little more careful, they (the common people) wouldn't have had to die, and they (Zhengyang Kingdom) wouldn't have had to do evil."

"I've always known that Nine Nether has been looking for opportunities to create conflicts in the Mortal Realm, to allow Them to fish in troubled waters and prepare for Their entry into Tian Yuan and the infiltration of the demonic land."

"I never gave them a chance, but that day I let my guard down."

Opening his eyes, the man looked at the astonished Su Zhou with an extremely serious gaze. He said solemnly, "In fact, those Zhengyang Remnants, even if you hadn't gone to catch them, my secret guards would have already been dispatched and would have captured all of them at the first opportunity."

"However, Immortal Master, your actions were even faster than my secret guards, which is more swift and powerful than I imagined. You truly live up to being the most virtuous Divine Bird, akin to a Phoenix!"

Although he was secretly flattered by Ming Zhengde.

At this moment, Su Zhou felt none of the secret pleasure or joy he had experienced in the past when praised by other powerful individuals.

Because now, his heart was filled only with incredulity.

"Why?"

Clenching his fists, Su Zhou said in disbelief, "Since you knew all along, and the secret guards were already prepared... why didn't you just capture all of them directly to avoid such accidents?"

"Since you are a Reborner, you should know that early handling and preparation lead to less harm!"

"Some, I did intend to deal with immediately, because they are beyond redemption, utterly corrupt, and irreversible."

Regarding Su Zhou's doubt, Ming Zhengde nodded lightly, and he calmly said, "But most people are different."

"Candle Sun, the Reborner you've seen in other worlds in the past must be different from me."

As he said this, the man's tone was somewhat emotional: "They want to reverse fate, change the future, and what they pursue, perhaps, is the perfection of themselves and the people around them?"

"To live another life, to make up for all regrets, and to live a happy and joyful life."

"I thought so too, back then."

At this point, Ming Zhengde even laughed cheerfully, "If it were just that, I could have reversed it long ago—reversed my own fate, the fate of those around me, and lived a happy, joyful, and carefree life."

"But that was in the past. A very, very distant past—now, I no longer think that way."

"So, what do you want to do now?"

Exhaling a breath, Su Zhou's expression also became extremely solemn.

He suddenly felt that his previous assessment of this 'Reborn Holy Emperor's' goal contained a significant error.

And after the young man's words fell, Ming Zhengde softly replied, "Of course, it's perfection."

"Candle Sun, you say you understand Reborner? How can you understand? At most, you only understand one life, but you don't know what I experienced in my previous thirty thousand Reincarnation."

"I have seen countless ugly people repent, and I have also seen countless bright people fall."

"Time and time again Rebirth, I know the true nature of many people, I know their true faces behind their masks."

"I know their glory and joy, I know their tragedies and pain."

"I know that every single person, every single person, they all have a chance, they all have the possibility of achieving a perfect life, a glorious life!"

"I know, I know everything! Their fate should not be so tragic, everyone should be happy!"

At first, his tone was light, as if he was just reminiscing.

But then, Ming Zhengde's tone grew heavier, as if a voice erupted from his Soul: "No matter how ugly a person is, they actually have a future where their beautiful side can blossom."

"Even the most evil villains are not without the possibility of awakening to repentance and turning to fight for the Righteous Path."

"Just like Yan Changfeng—you said he was as rigid as a sword, and indeed he is in this life. However, I know that in one life, to protect the people of a region, Yan Changfeng swung his sword at gods and demons with his own will, ultimately dying a heroic death, standing tall, and securing peace for that land."

"Hai Tian's strength is not good in this life, but in the past, he achieved Immortal Master thousands of times, reaching the Peak, and was my most capable assistant. He also, countless times, to resist the Nine Nether Demonic Army, controlled the earth veins in the White Mountain region to contend against three Heavenly Demon Incarnations, dying of exhaustion."

Letting out a long breath, Ming Zhengde's eyes flickered at this moment, as if towering waves were churning within them.

He suppressed his agitated emotions, then slowly said, "Candle Sun, I have witnessed the most perfect, most powerful, and most beautiful possibilities of all people."

"So I will not easily deny them."

"Of course, I also understand that, first, I must find a Dao that can resist gods and demons and isolate the power of the Celestial Heavens and Nine Nether—then, based on this correct Dao, I will explore how to allow everyone to display their most beautiful potential and their most perfect future."

After speaking.

The now calm Ming Zhengde saw Su Zhou's mouth agape, staring at him with an irresistibly astonished gaze.

Su Zhou was rarely surprised.

Most of the time, he was the one who surprised others.

But this time... Ming Zhengde had achieved it.

Ming Zhengde's thoughts made him feel a shock that was almost absurd, yet inexplicably grand and inspiring.

"You mean..."

Looking at Ming Zhengde, Su Zhou somewhat laboriously repeated the true meaning of what Ming Zhengde had just said: "You don't just want the people around you to have a perfect life."

"You want the New Dynasty, all living beings, and even... your enemies, to also show their bright and beautiful side?!"

Ming Zhengde said nothing, only seriously met the young man's gaze.

Su Zhou naturally knew what he meant, and he gasped, "What about Nan Zhengkai? What about those remnants who have already committed evil, killing tens of millions, even hundreds of millions of people?"

"Some people, indeed, must die. Although Nan Zhengkai in a few lives also showed his determination and courage when facing gods and demons, the conditions for achieving that are too difficult, even requiring my assistance, so for now, he is not within the scope of consideration."

Answering Su Zhou's question solemnly, Ming Zhengde even sighed lightly, "But I believe this is merely because I haven't found the Dao leading to perfection—everyone will inevitably be able to show their perfect side."

"Just like me—the me of the past would compromise, would obey gods and demons, would give up, regret, even want to commit suicide, and drift through life after life... But I know very well that the reason people make mistakes is simply because they cannot live a second life."

"They didn't become me, they didn't become someone like me, simply because only I can Rebirth."

"So, I awakened. I realized that this world is like a prison, all living beings suffer, and the heavens bestowed upon me the power of Rebirth, yet I only thought of achieving perfection for myself—what meaning is there in that?"

"Only when all living beings are saved, is it perfection!"
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There's also Ming Zhengde's main enemy, Tai Hao Heavenly Emperor, but putting it here would be too much.
 
Livinaa said:
Tell me you don't know anything about YTSY without telling me you don't know anything about YTYS:

I can tell from the first YTSY tier 0 CRT that you're being intentionally ignorant about it, calling it a battleboarding/powerscaling verse, even though Rakih_Elyan already told you what the novel is about. Isn't it common sense in powerscaling community, especially in VSBW, to not talk shit about verses you don't know anything about?

I have read both Soul of Searing Steel until about chapter 900+ and Monster Will Die if They Are Killed until chapter 619. All those scans you call "battleboarding jargon" that boosted the verse to 1-A and above only exist in the very late part of the novels. Three Aspects of Infinity, Eternity, and Absolute, Multiversal Prison, Torrents, Transcender, etc.. are rarely if not never mentioned in the early and middle part of the novels. The only exceptions are Great Existences since they're a large part of the plot in Monster Will Die if They Are Killed. Even in Soul of Searing Steel, the Three Aspects of Infinity, Eternity, and Absolute are only fully talked about starting from chapter 900+.

In the early and middle part of the novels, the scaling is actually more grounded (ignoring the smurfed haxes) than most Xianxia verses in VSBW. There are no exaggerated numbers like in the usual Xianxia (Ergen, Desolate Era, etc..). If you ignore the smurfed haxes and limit it to the same tier as their key, they would be weaker than most Xianxias here.

Also to give you an example of what Rakih_Elyan means by "everyone and their moms have their own ideology and philosophy", here's a side character (important to the plot though) from the novel (ignore the strange translation. It's from WTR-lab):

There's also Ming Zhengde's main enemy, Tai Hao Heavenly Emperor, but putting it here would be too much.
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Bro debate that elsewhere, this thread has been clustered enough from off-topic like this smh
 
Livinaa said:
Tell me you don't know anything about YTSY without telling me you don't know anything about YTYS:

I can tell from the first YTSY tier 0 CRT that you're being intentionally ignorant about it, calling it a battleboarding/powerscaling verse, even though Rakih_Elyan already told you what the novel is about. Isn't it common sense in powerscaling community, especially in VSBW, to not talk shit about verses you don't know anything about?

I have read both Soul of Searing Steel until about chapter 900+ and Monster Will Die if They Are Killed until chapter 619. All those scans you call "battleboarding jargon" that boosted the verse to 1-A and above only exist in the very late part of the novels. Three Aspects of Infinity, Eternity, and Absolute, Multiversal Prison, Torrents, Transcender, etc.. are rarely if not never mentioned in the early and middle part of the novels. The only exceptions are Great Existences since they're a large part of the plot in Monster Will Die if They Are Killed. Even in Soul of Searing Steel, the Three Aspects of Infinity, Eternity, and Absolute are only fully talked about starting from chapter 900+.

In the early and middle part of the novels, the scaling is actually more grounded (ignoring the smurfed haxes) than most Xianxia verses in VSBW. There are no exaggerated numbers like in the usual Xianxia (Ergen, Desolate Era, etc..). If you ignore the smurfed haxes and limit it to the same tier as their key, they would be weaker than most Xianxias here.

Also to give you an example of what Rakih_Elyan means by "everyone and their moms have their own ideology and philosophy", here's a side character (important to the plot though) from the novel (ignore the strange translation. It's from WTR-lab):

There's also Ming Zhengde's main enemy, Tai Hao Heavenly Emperor, but putting it here would be too much.
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agree but this is a NASUVERSE COVO, take this elsewhere (I should really make a discord)
 
So, it seems that the profiles have been reverted due to Wankbreaker's credibility being practically destroyed, and by extension his revisions are viewed with heavy suspicion as well. But that doesn't exactly mean we're taking the old tier 1 scaling as actually reliable based on some sort of new argumentation that has been given, are we? The verse's supporters are planning to make a thread with a bunch of new arguments for tier 1 (and 0) sometime in the near future that haven't been given yet to my knowledge.

FYI I do plan on opposing the establishment of the nasuverse complex multiversal scaling as actually reliable since Wankbreaker did actually happen to be right about the verse having a lot of showings contradicting the idea that "[higher-dimensional] -> [uncountably infinitely stronger]" in the verse. Maybe there are some better arguments for 1-A but that's even more outlandish.
 
Telomera said:
So, it seems that the profiles have been reverted due to Wankbreaker's credibility being practically destroyed, and by extension his revisions are viewed with heavy suspicion as well. But that doesn't exactly mean we're taking the old tier 1 scaling as actually reliable based on some sort of new argumentation that has been given, are we? The verse's supporters are planning to make a thread with a bunch of new arguments for tier 1 (and 0) sometime in the near future that haven't been given yet to my knowledge.
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Wankbreaker's crts are completely not credible and unreliable. None of his arguments for opposing tier 1 or 0 were valid and intentionally misinterpreted. So yes, the tier 1 and 0 are returning(pretty sure tier 1 is already back), and none of Wankbreaker's fraud scaling jargon is enough to revert the verse back to horrible scalings.
Telomera said:
FYI I do plan on opposing the establishment of the nasuverse complex multiversal scaling as actually reliable since Wankbreaker did actually happen to be right about the verse having a lot of showings contradicting the idea that "[higher-dimensional] -> [uncountably infinitely stronger]" in the verse. Maybe there are some better arguments for 1-A but that's even more outlandish.
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Lol good luck. Especially if you're gonna use wankbreakers arguments😂
 
Telomera said:
So, it seems that the profiles have been reverted due to Wankbreaker's credibility being practically destroyed, and by extension his revisions are viewed with heavy suspicion as well. But that doesn't exactly mean we're taking the old tier 1 scaling as actually reliable based on some sort of new argumentation that has been given, are we? The verse's supporters are planning to make a thread with a bunch of new arguments for tier 1 (and 0) sometime in the near future that haven't been given yet to my knowledge.

FYI I do plan on opposing the establishment of the nasuverse complex multiversal scaling as actually reliable since Wankbreaker did actually happen to be right about the verse having a lot of showings contradicting the idea that "[higher-dimensional] -> [uncountably infinitely stronger]" in the verse. Maybe there are some better arguments for 1-A but that's even more outlandish.
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Uhm... actually, no, he wasn't right at all. None of his CRTs were. He used completely unreliable translations without scans, picked things out of context, and even talked about cutscenes that never existed. He didn't prove anything besides the fact that he's a lier, maniac, and gross person.
 
Just to further prove that all of WB's actions were motivated by personal agenda, he once tried to upgrade Arcueid to 1-A in his original account, and other previous CRTs trying to boost Nasuverse's tiering. The same guy who said that the verse couldn't even reach 2-A was trying to upgrade a character to 1-A months before he was banned and returned on his alternative, fake account, where he started all of this horrible CRTs.
 
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Telomera said:
So, it seems that the profiles have been reverted due to Wankbreaker's credibility being practically destroyed, and by extension his revisions are viewed with heavy suspicion as well. But that doesn't exactly mean we're taking the old tier 1 scaling as actually reliable based on some sort of new argumentation that has been given, are we? The verse's supporters are planning to make a thread with a bunch of new arguments for tier 1 (and 0) sometime in the near future that haven't been given yet to my knowledge.

FYI I do plan on opposing the establishment of the nasuverse complex multiversal scaling as actually reliable since Wankbreaker did actually happen to be right about the verse having a lot of showings contradicting the idea that "[higher-dimensional] -> [uncountably infinitely stronger]" in the verse. Maybe there are some better arguments for 1-A but that's even more outlandish.
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Nothing Wankbreaker ever said was right or reliable in any shape or form
 
Telomera said:
So, it seems that the profiles have been reverted due to Wankbreaker's credibility being practically destroyed, and by extension his revisions are viewed with heavy suspicion as well. But that doesn't exactly mean we're taking the old tier 1 scaling as actually reliable based on some sort of new argumentation that has been given, are we? The verse's supporters are planning to make a thread with a bunch of new arguments for tier 1 (and 0) sometime in the near future that haven't been given yet to my knowledge.

FYI I do plan on opposing the establishment of the nasuverse complex multiversal scaling as actually reliable since Wankbreaker did actually happen to be right about the verse having a lot of showings contradicting the idea that "[higher-dimensional] -> [uncountably infinitely stronger]" in the verse. Maybe there are some better arguments for 1-A but that's even more outlandish.
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broski, he coulnt even debunk tier 1 nasu at the lowest of the verse, what makes u think u have a chance
 
Maniaunavailable said:
broski, he coulnt even debunk tier 1 nasu at the lowest of the verse, what makes u think u have a chance
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Literally every single argument here against wankbreaker's scaling is an appeal to the fact that he himself isn't a reliable source (which I guess is fine as a temporary thing). No one has addressed the actual problems with the tier 1 scaling nor have they provided any good arguments for it.
 
Telomera said:
Literally every single argument here against wankbreaker's scaling is an appeal to the fact that he himself isn't a reliable source (which I guess is fine as a temporary thing). No one has addressed the actual problems with the tier 1 scaling nor have they provided any good arguments for it.
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lol good luck using wankbreakers mistranslated scans in your crt
 
Telomera said:
Literally every single argument here against wankbreaker's scaling is an appeal to the fact that he himself isn't a reliable source (which I guess is fine as a temporary thing). No one has addressed the actual problems with the tier 1 scaling nor have they provided any good arguments for it.
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We literally did, is not that he isnt a relaible source, but half of his scans were LITERALLY made up. He couldn't debunk tier 1 with the own series
 
wankbreaker had everything to downgrade the verse (translation role, made up scans, inactive supporters) but still failed ☠️
 
Robo432343 said:
wankbreaker had everything to downgrade the verse (translation role, made up scans, inactive supporters) but still failed ☠️
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He very much succeeded, it was just taken away from him later because he turned out to be a dishonest criminal. I'm neither of those things so I can in fact downgrade the verse (virtually) permanently
 
HigashikataJobin said:
Heck, he even made a CRT to "prove" that infinity couldn't exist physically in Nasuverse, when there's a ******* character whose main power is to literally bend the rules of physics and logic by applying infinity in physical reality.
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That's not the best argument considering the fact that "infinity" can alternatively refer to what is known as "potential infinity" and what is known as "actual infinity." The former is a process that has no limit, the latter is an actualized infinite amount of things.

Of course, we would normally assume that "infinity" just refers to the latter, but if you played the part of the game where Kojiro's infinity was mentioned, you'd see that there is precedent to think that Kojiro's infinity is just a potential infinity as opposed to an actual infinity. The context here is that Kojiro's "infinity" is the "perfect mirror image" of Musashi's "zero". Musashi's zero is not an actual zero (it is outright described as "something" as opposed to literal nothingness), but is instead the process of cutting down possibilities which of course tends towards zero, or creates zeros out of things. If Kojiro's infinity is the mirror image of Musashi's zero, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be an endless process that tends towards infinity rather than an actualized infinite? In fact, the fact that it's described as a "path" further reinforces the idea that it's a "process" rather than an actualized, completed infinite. Additionally, if Kojiro's blade of infinity was an actual infinite, how would Musashi's blade even keep up with it? Musashi's zero is explicitly said to be a finite skill. It would make more sense if Kojiro's "infinity" was a potential infinity

In the end though, while you may disagree with me, it's undeniable that at the very least, Musashi's "zero" and Kojiro's "infinity" are pretty convoluted and have a bunch of nuances to them that the face value understanding you'd have of them simply can't account for (with the most obvious example being that Musashi's zero isn't literally just zero)

By the way, was WB's scan about "infinity" in nasuverse just being a construct of the human mind to describe finite numbers way too big to comprehend actually real, or was that disproven as well?
 
Telomera said:
That's not the best argument considering the fact that "infinity" can alternatively refer to what is known as "potential infinity" and what is known as "actual infinity." The former is a process that has no limit, the latter is an actualized infinite amount of things.

Of course, we would normally assume that "infinity" just refers to the latter, but if you played the part of the game where Kojiro's infinity was mentioned, you'd see that there is precedent to think that Kojiro's infinity is just a potential infinity as opposed to an actual infinity. The context here is that Kojiro's "infinity" is the "perfect mirror image" of Musashi's "zero". Musashi's zero is not an actual zero (it is outright described as "something" as opposed to literal nothingness), but is instead the process of cutting down possibilities which of course tends towards zero, or creates zeros out of things. If Kojiro's infinity is the mirror image of Musashi's zero, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be an endless process that tends towards infinity rather than an actualized infinite? In fact, the fact that it's described as a "path" further reinforces the idea that it's a "process" rather than an actualized, completed infinite. Additionally, if Kojiro's blade of infinity was an actual infinite, how would Musashi's blade even keep up with it? Musashi's zero is explicitly said to be a finite skill. It would make more sense if Kojiro's "infinity" was a potential infinity

In the end though, while you may disagree with me, it's undeniable that at the very least, Musashi's "zero" and Kojiro's "infinity" are pretty convoluted and have a bunch of nuances to them that the face value understanding you'd have of them simply can't account for (with the most obvious example being that Musashi's zero isn't literally just zero)

By the way, was WB's scan about "infinity" in nasuverse just being a construct of the human mind to describe finite numbers way too big to comprehend actually real, or was that disproven as well?
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not this again LMAO

This first texture containing a universe branches out into endless possibilities that exist as parallel worlds, these possibilities branch off one another, and these infinite possibilities form the concept of human history.

all of these possibilities are said to be from quantum theory, entailing they're from Many-worlds interpretation, that many-worlds interpretation theory tells us that that the underlying nature of physical objects is wave-like and branching as well.

Functioning under many-worlds interpretation, there exist countless bubbles of possibilities existing as parallel worlds.

A universe alone is infinite, having infinite stars.

Earth acts as some sort of universe, and there are actually infinite universes on the level of the Many-worlds interpretation.
 
Maniaunavailable said:
No supporters, auch
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Yeah because our hypertimeline standards are garbage. Meanwhile, I was successful in downgrading Honkai (to an extent) and preventing Ishmael from PGR from getting a solid hyperversal rating. I'd attribute the difference in results to our standards.
 
Maniaunavailable said:
not this again LMAO

This first texture containing a universe branches out into endless possibilities that exist as parallel worlds, these possibilities branch off one another, and these infinite possibilities form the concept of human history.

all of these possibilities are said to be from quantum theory, entailing they're from Many-worlds interpretation, that many-worlds interpretation theory tells us that that the underlying nature of physical objects is wave-like and branching as well.

Functioning under many-worlds interpretation, there exist countless bubbles of possibilities existing as parallel worlds.

A universe alone is infinite, having infinite stars.

Earth acts as some sort of universe, and there are actually infinite universes on the level of the Many-worlds interpretation.
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That's an entirely different topic. I was talking about Kojiro's infinity specifically.
 
Telomera said:
Yeah because our hypertimeline standards are garbage. Meanwhile, I was successful in downgrading Honkai (to an extent) and preventing Ishmael from PGR from getting a solid hyperversal rating. I'd attribute the difference in results to our standards.
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downgrade which lasted like a month btw, don't care about PGR cuz lowkey havent played it
 
Maniaunavailable said:
downgrade which lasted like a month btw, don't care about PGR cuz lowkey havent played it
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The honkai downgrade is still up. It used to be low 1-A and I downgraded it to be 1-B. It's still 1-B (with the exception of the Tao from GGZ which is tier 0 and doesn't upscale anyone else)
 
Telomera said:
The honkai downgrade is still up. It used to be low 1-A and I downgraded it to be 1-B. It's still 1-B (with the exception of the Tao from GGZ which is tier 0 and doesn't upscale anyone else)
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they already rejected 3 downgrades on like 3 months and 1A is beign worked (next version will lowkey amp it higher than before).

Edit: How is this relevant for nasu
 
Telomera said:
That's not the best argument considering the fact that "infinity" can alternatively refer to what is known as "potential infinity" and what is known as "actual infinity." The former is a process that has no limit, the latter is an actualized infinite amount of things.

Of course, we would normally assume that "infinity" just refers to the latter, but if you played the part of the game where Kojiro's infinity was mentioned, you'd see that there is precedent to think that Kojiro's infinity is just a potential infinity as opposed to an actual infinity. The context here is that Kojiro's "infinity" is the "perfect mirror image" of Musashi's "zero". Musashi's zero is not an actual zero (it is outright described as "something" as opposed to literal nothingness), but is instead the process of cutting down possibilities which of course tends towards zero, or creates zeros out of things. If Kojiro's infinity is the mirror image of Musashi's zero, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be an endless process that tends towards infinity rather than an actualized infinite? In fact, the fact that it's described as a "path" further reinforces the idea that it's a "process" rather than an actualized, completed infinite. Additionally, if Kojiro's blade of infinity was an actual infinite, how would Musashi's blade even keep up with it? Musashi's zero is explicitly said to be a finite skill. It would make more sense if Kojiro's "infinity" was a potential infinity

In the end though, while you may disagree with me, it's undeniable that at the very least, Musashi's "zero" and Kojiro's "infinity" are pretty convoluted and have a bunch of nuances to them that the face value understanding you'd have of them simply can't account for (with the most obvious example being that Musashi's zero isn't literally just zero)
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Musashi's Zero explicitly narrows down infinite possibilities down to one (scroll down to the description of her Heavenly Eye).

Also, the realm they reached is called, "the realm of the infinite," and, even though they only clashed briefly, infinite possibilities played out.
 
I gonna cut here, you guys probally not gonna convive each other for now, using the bare minimun evidence for this.

You can continue to argue If you want, but is not gonna end with any meaning.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Musashi's Zero explicitly narrows down infinite possibilities down to one (scroll down to the description of her Heavenly Eye).
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That's not her Zero, it's a "normal" skill that she uses all the time. She's not literally destroying infinite possibilities that physically exist, she's just avoiding those possibilities/preventing them from being actualized (basically fate manipulation) which is pretty obvious when you consider the fact that she doesn't have infinite AP in base.
 
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