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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

LilyNakahara said:
The main reason I was holding back



Yeah you should consult other knowledgeable members to be more sure (there's also Mages Association discord server if you haven't you should join it)
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How can I join? I originally asked about a way to join, but if I recall correctly, you were the one who advised me not to raise my hopes too high.
LilyNakahara said:
Currently, I'm taking a bit more time to thoroughly re-scan extra CCC material for any potential anti-feats, while also gathering additional scans to preemptively address future questions about my conclusions.

Good luck
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Thanks.
 
Here is the real cosmology:
Nasuverse Cosmology.
  • Celestial Bodies/Cosmoses - At least Low 6-B
  • The Moon Cell - Low 6-B
  • Imaginary Number Space - 6-A
  • Reverse Side of the World - Low 5-C, likely 5-C (Infinite layers)
  • Deeper Textures - Higher into 5-A
  • Lostbelt Trees of Emptiness - Far higher into 5-A at least
  • Universal Hierarchy - Far higher, into 5-A (More transfinite layers), likely Low 4-C at least
  • Throne of Heroes - Low 4-C, possibly higher
  • Divine Spirits and Gods Realms - Higher into Low 4-C
  • Ultimate Ones - Higher into Low 4-C
  • The Origins - Far Higher into Low 4-C (higher infinite layers)
  • Akashic Records - Higher into Low 4-C
  • Swirl of the Root - Low 4-C
  • 「　」- 4-C
 
Re5yh said:
Here is the real cosmology:
Nasuverse Cosmology.
  • Celestial Bodies/Cosmoses - At least Low 6-B
  • The Moon Cell - Low 6-B
  • Imaginary Number Space - 6-A
  • Reverse Side of the World - Low 5-C, likely 5-C (Infinite layers)
  • Deeper Textures - Higher into 5-A
  • Lostbelt Trees of Emptiness - Far higher into 5-A at least
  • Universal Hierarchy - Far higher, into 5-A (More transfinite layers), likely Low 4-C at least
  • Throne of Heroes - Low 4-C, possibly higher
  • Divine Spirits and Gods Realms - Higher into Low 4-C
  • Ultimate Ones - Higher into Low 4-C
  • The Origins - Far Higher into Low 4-C (higher infinite layers)
  • Akashic Records - Higher into Low 4-C
  • Swirl of the Root - Low 4-C
  • 「　」- 4-C
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How is the Root above Tree level?
 
Re5yh said:
Here is the real cosmology:
Nasuverse Cosmology.
  • Celestial Bodies/Cosmoses - At least Low 6-B
  • The Moon Cell - Low 6-B
  • Imaginary Number Space - 6-A
  • Reverse Side of the World - Low 5-C, likely 5-C (Infinite layers)
  • Deeper Textures - Higher into 5-A
  • Lostbelt Trees of Emptiness - Far higher into 5-A at least
  • Universal Hierarchy - Far higher, into 5-A (More transfinite layers), likely Low 4-C at least
  • Throne of Heroes - Low 4-C, possibly higher
  • Divine Spirits and Gods Realms - Higher into Low 4-C
  • Ultimate Ones - Higher into Low 4-C
  • The Origins - Far Higher into Low 4-C (higher infinite layers)
  • Akashic Records - Higher into Low 4-C
  • Swirl of the Root - Low 4-C
  • 「　」- 4-C
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Infinte low 4-C tiers into boundless?
 
Maniaunavailable said:
Same case as JJTW, they say they are working on it (JJTW is beign gased a lot tho)
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JJTW is nowhere near as strong as people claim, but the problem is that almost no one in this hobby has actually bothered to read the original material and keep it in its historical context. I can already imagine which statements they are going to take out of context to upgrade everything to supramegaomega layers into High 1-A.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
JJTW is nowhere near as strong as people claim, but the problem is that almost no one in this hobby has actually bothered to read the original material and keep it in its historical context. I can already imagine which statements they are going to take out of context to upgrade everything to supramegaomega layers into High 1-A.
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personally disagree, I have it at H1A plus ngl
 
Vietthai96 said:
Saying Avalon is High 1-A despite it is verbally stated to be 6-dimensional is crazy, ngl
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Meanwhile DC:

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Mister Mxyzptlk

Mister Mxyzptlk (or originally Mister Mxyztplk) is a whimsical, reality-bending imp from the 5th dimension and a frequent foe of Superman. Rarely malicious, Mxyzptlk spends his days waiting for opportunities to mess with his favorite Kryptonian, killing time with every alternate version of...
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ExcelsisBerny said:
JJTW is nowhere near as strong as people claim, but the problem is that almost no one in this hobby has actually bothered to read the original material and keep it in its historical context. I can already imagine which statements they are going to take out of context to upgrade everything to supramegaomega layers into High 1-A.
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My childhood story get slandered duhh

I don't scale the verse and forgot most of the texts so don't quote me

🫥
 
Vietthai96 said:
My childhood story get slandered duhh

I don't scale the verse and forgot most of the texts so don't quote me

🫥
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Trust me, the real slander is twisting the meaning of texts to force them into modern powerscaling metrics and overrating Wukong’s abilities.

Journey to the West is amazing.
 
Robo432343 said:
hmm

High 1-A verses on this wiki that aren't actually High 1-A
Dark Tower, DC, Elder Scrolls, DKD, Yin Tian Yin Shen
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Dark Tower is another verse that’s been glazed to an extreme degree (I’ll probably downgrade it once I finish with DKD).

I have no idea about Elder Scrolls or Yin Xianxia Powerscaling Shen (and I’ll probably never read the novels).
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
Dark Tower is another verse that’s been glazed to an extreme degree (I’ll probably downgrade it once I finish with DKD).

I have no idea about Elder Scrolls or Yin Xianxia Powerscaling Shen (and I’ll probably never read the novels).
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You can help me with Faxnovuuuuu, Object Thing (If she would want it or not) and Deonment to update TES cause there are only 1% of people who want to upgrade it. We would be using the Guide Books, games, the Momomyth, Vekh's teachings and MK posts
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
JJTW is nowhere near as strong as people claim, but the problem is that almost no one in this hobby has actually bothered to read the original material and keep it in its historical context. I can already imagine which statements they are going to take out of context to upgrade everything to supramegaomega layers into High 1-A.
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The Scriptures in it (which Are Canon to it) already puts it in the highest of High 1-A
 
Elesia011 said:
How can I join? I originally asked about a way to join, but if I recall correctly, you were the one who advised me not to raise my hopes too high.

Thanks.
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Something is better than Nothin Ig so if you want to join it I think someone already explained what you need to do to join the sub you'll have to ask one of those two members

Also How did you plan to have Avalon at H1A anyway? I usually have the cosmology a few layers into Outer because H1A is harder with Meta Qualititive supiriority and such so I just want to know the potential scale that you had in mind
 
LilyNakahara said:
Something is better than Nothin Ig so if you want to join it I think someone already explained what you need to do to join the sub you'll have to ask one of those two members

Also How did you plan to have Avalon at H1A anyway? I usually have the cosmology a few layers into Outer because H1A is harder with Meta Qualititive supiriority and such so I just want to know the potential scale that you had in mind
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H1A should be reserved for akasha
 
LilyNakahara said:
Something is better than Nothin Ig so if you want to join it I think someone already explained what you need to do to join the sub you'll have to ask one of those two members

Also How did you plan to have Avalon at H1A anyway? I usually have the cosmology a few layers into Outer because H1A is harder with Meta Qualititive supiriority and such so I just want to know the potential scale that you had in mind
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Avalon goes beyond both reals and imaginaries. As recap, imaginary number is what compose irreality and real number is what build the material reality. In math, combining reals and imaginaries gives complex numbers (a + bi), but deeper layers descriptions are implied to transcends them both meaning it is beyond that duality meaning it's not just a mix; it can't be expressed using either system. It's like jumping to a higher framework like quaternions or something even more abstract in set theory that makes the real-imaginary divide obsolete. Now this wiki describes High 1-A as transcending 1-A hierarchies by introducing a new "algorithm" or framework. If 1-A is a set of layers under one ruleset (like real to imaginary jump), High 1-A jumps to a higher ruleset that governs the whole thing. In this analogy, the third realm which in this case is Avalon isn't just "complex numbers" (which would still be definable by reals + imaginaries); it's beyond that binary, like a higher ontological plane where the real/imaginary distinction doesn't apply.
The third realm transcends both reality and irreality, meaning it can't be pinned down by real or imaginary definitions. This is a meta-qualitative superiority over the 1-A level and reason why I speculate Avalon as High 1-A.
This reasoning only works if INS is 1-A otherwise that's still a sure 1-A for Avalon.
But for now I am focusing on 1-A INS, I have already severally strengthened my claims on that
 
Elesia011 said:
Avalon goes beyond both reals and imaginaries. As recap, imaginary number is what compose irreality and real number is what build the material reality. In math, combining reals and imaginaries gives complex numbers (a + bi), but deeper layers descriptions are implied to transcends them both meaning it is beyond that duality meaning it's not just a mix; it can't be expressed using either system. It's like jumping to a higher framework like quaternions or something even more abstract in set theory that makes the real-imaginary divide obsolete. Now this wiki describes High 1-A as transcending 1-A hierarchies by introducing a new "algorithm" or framework. If 1-A is a set of layers under one ruleset (like real to imaginary jump), High 1-A jumps to a higher ruleset that governs the whole thing. In this analogy, the third realm which in this case is Avalon isn't just "complex numbers" (which would still be definable by reals + imaginaries); it's beyond that binary, like a higher ontological plane where the real/imaginary distinction doesn't apply.
The third realm transcends both reality and irreality, meaning it can't be pinned down by real or imaginary definitions. This is a meta-qualitative superiority over the 1-A level and reason why I speculate Avalon as High 1-A.
This reasoning only works if INS is 1-A otherwise that's still a sure 1-A for Avalon.
But for now I am focusing on 1-A INS, I have already severally strengthened my claims on that
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Do you currently have the scans for when it implies that deeper layers or Avalon is beyond Real and Imaginary Numbers?
 
LilyNakahara said:
Do you currently have the scans for when it implies that deeper layers or Avalon is beyond Real and Imaginary Numbers?
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Not exactly. There isn't one specific scan that states this outright; rather, the conclusion comes from a collection of many.

For instance, the scan involving Arjuna describes the INS as the rift that separates worlds, specifically depicted also as the gap separating heaven and earth. Not only does real numbers emerges from imaginary ones, it also envelops all material worlds. Furthermore, INS is defined as the boundary between material reality and the inaccessible inner sea.

This concept is directly linked to Avalon, which is itself an unreachable utopia, closed off and inaccessible without the emancipation from all physical properties. It is the mental space of the planet where its soul resides.

To expand on this, Avalon/Inner sea is presented as mental projections of the planet itself, often equated to it's Reality Marbles.

Ultimately the boundary (INS) can't be claimed as Avalon(it isn't described as a null domain), it can't be either a material world (it is inaccessible to physical beings and beyond the INS which acts as boundary ) effectively showing an Independence and superiority on both

I still need to organize and publish this arguments more formally, but anyway you have an overview.
 
Elesia011 said:
Not exactly. There isn't one specific scan that states this outright; rather, the conclusion comes from a collection of many.

For instance, the scan involving Arjuna describes the INS as the rift that separates worlds, specifically depicted also as the gap separating heaven and earth. Not only does real numbers emerges from imaginary ones, it also envelops all material worlds. Furthermore, INS is defined as the boundary between material reality and the inaccessible inner sea.

This concept is directly linked to Avalon, which is itself an unreachable utopia, closed off and inaccessible without the emancipation from all physical properties. It is the mental space of the planet where its soul resides.

To expand on this, Avalon/Inner sea is presented as mental projections of the planet itself, often equated to it's Reality Marbles.

Ultimately the boundary (INS) can't be claimed as Avalon(it isn't described as a null domain), it can't be either a material world (it is inaccessible to physical beings and beyond the INS which acts as boundary ) effectively showing an Independence and superiority on both

I still need to organize and publish this arguments more formally, but anyway you have an overview.
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Hmm now that you do mention Real Space emerges from Imaginary Space there's this in the tiering system FAQ

Q: What tier is being the source of dimensions?

A: Depends. This sort of feat can easily be treated the same way as creation and stabilization feats, if it meets the standards for them. It can potentially serve as supporting evidence for 1-A, but since it ultimately boils down to causal power, and doesn't say anything about the nature of a character's existence, it ultimately defaults to scaling to however many dimensions there are in the verse.

So being the source of dimensions can be a supporting evidence for 1A according to the tiering and Imaginary Number Space being the source of Real Space should qualify for this?

Idk tho I just thought of this

1A INS seems strong
 
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