Read carefully. Names and Demons existed before Light (Human World) came into being either through Qliphoth or Demon World for that matter. Thus, these concepts aren't bound to such realities and preceded it as a result. Moreover, alteration of such concepts can effect the world in general and Human World wasn't exactly a thing back then.
I'm not sure what you're talking about, because the Human World only came to be after the Demon World. Thus, if Demons "preceded the Demon World", then automatically, they also came to be before the Human World.
I know, but based of what I know demons are born either from negative energy of human souls, or humans who mutated in the demon world.
Demons are products of Qliphoth Tree to be precise. Qliphoth made Demon World and Demons along with it and then later, also made Human World and Humans.
Won't humans as well be born of Qliphoth?, since it's said to be source of all life
Yes, but Demons existed before Humanity did.
I know demons are created from Qliphoth, but does that also apply for the Demon world?
...Yes. As mentioned before. Like, twice. The Qliphoth created all life even in the Demon World. The Demon World then existed for a really long time, and eventually a "thin light of light" (our mortal Universe/The Human World with the Humans) was born out of the Demon World, and Pluto as well as Sparda for their respective eras split the Worlds in two.
Source pls
Source pls
I was talking about this scan saying that Majin is Dante ''True Demon Mode'', but fair enougth.
Fair points
I thougth he was just Dante evolving to surpass Vergil once again, but fair.
Well, fair points but talk with others people about this fist since alot of people take V as the primary source of evidence over Dante and Nero statements.
Nothing that Sparda power mimicry takes care of that, but i will leave that for another thread since all Demon Gods may scale to this.
I will!
Fair but there is haxs accepted there so i'm add everithig that is missing and is accepted rn.
In the third column above where you gonna commit, the first one is literally to insert a link
Yeah, no, the "name" is abstract concept, not the body. Write like this implies Demon and Half-Demon existence is entirely abstract concept which isn't the case
Is the scroll necessary? I was told by KLOL that scrollboxes work for profiles and in verse specific P&A you need maximum visibility for all the stuff so no need for a scroll box
Originally it was Abstract Existence type 1 and 2 because the demon is just the embodiment/representation of the Name but after a certain downgrade thread by deagon it was left like that because apparently they can't have both
It isn't mandatory but it is recommended, it is not like scrollbox will hide away abilities, unless people somehow don't see the scroll lol
Who said you can't have both?????, you can be abstraction while being the avatar of another abstraction, it is not like there can be only a single abstraction exist
fine by me
You can have both, literally body is the avatar while true name is true form. Didn't Demon can come back if you don't delete their true name?, or the soul?
I'm fine, just remember to differentiate body with true name to not confuse people
I am not adding anything to the pages, just moving abilities and fixing the formatting tho.
I'll add it, yeah.
You also need to explain why you don't want to apply this accepted thread about DE = DWE.
You should remove this:
All of these things are stamina feats and should only be mentioned in the stamina section for the characters. It's not Paralysis either; In Volume 1 it was just Dante who was sick because of the nexus, in Volume 2 it's just that demon's bodies can't handle any more energy, and Dante was probably unaffected because he can still absorb much more.
It's just Fear Manipulation, and "Improved Fear Manipulation" should be instead "Fear Manipulation (1 Layer: Chen and Dante in their battle caused inanimate and unconscious objects to feel real fear all throughout the building.)"
This is just Social Influencing (Instigating Fear) and it should only be on Vergil's page.
The one with Dante that makes even demons feel despair is just another example of Social Influencing (Instigating Fear). Also, the feats with DMC5 Vergil and Dante should only be on their own pages because they are far more powerful than Sparda at this point.
You are right but I don't have the time or the desire to go through so much bs.
Like?
Tony is working on that, if you want to join him you should ask him
DMC has infinite layered dimensions, with demon kings capable of erasing all of it. This is just the top of the iceberg
Go to the discussion thread let's not derail this thread here
This should have been done years ago if people actually went deeper into the franchise. I mean, the wiki had The Presence and Lucifer as weaker than Hulk, so i usually dont expect anything.
There was a time when The Presence was Low 1-C (even lower than other DC characters who are infinitely inferior than him) while Hulk and company were 1-A. Im still wondering how the hell was this accepted?
The wiki was dumb back there, with no one knows how to present a f*king argument or bother read the comics.
