Yu Yu Hakusho Great King Enma Profile

[ReverseCross]

Here's the profile.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Intelligence section could be re-worded. And I'd personally add who he scales to, for supporting his MHS speed.

 

[ReverseCross]

Intelligence section could be re-worded. And I'd personally add who he scales to, for supporting his MHS speed.

Ok but A and S classes are Massively Hypersonic and Continent level on this wiki.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Ok but A and S classes are Massively Hypersonic and Continent level on this wiki.

? I dont know if you understood. Im suggesting that you add who exactly scales to in terms of speed.

 

[ReverseCross]

There are actually many A class characters, and Enma doesn't scale to any of them. We're just assuming he's A-class based on Sensui's statement. That’s why I only used the term ‘likely’. When I said it was continent level, I also specified that it was ‘likely’.

 

[ReverseCross]

? I dont know if you understood. Im suggesting that you add who exactly scales to in terms of speed.

However, I currently think that any speed increase would be unnecessary; even if Enma is Class A, in the end, he has no feat that corresponds to any speed context.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Some of the scaling looks dated, for some reason. Kuwabara is 6-A, but Hiei and Kurama are Low 6-B or 6-B with Black Dragon Wave in Hiei's case; which is just plain wrong. I know it was agreed they shouldn't fully scale from Sensui, but there needs to be some substance and no guesswork. But they are roughly the same tier as Enma.

 

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[ZespeonGalaxy]

The grammar for King Enma is not great.

"Great King Enma was a ruler and judge of the Spirit World until being overthrown by his son, Koenma. Also Great King Enna is a giant bearded Lord of the Spirit World."

You dont need the also part, including the fact you have described him as lord and ruler. Which are similar. Despite the fact he isnt a ruler anymore. So that part can lead to confusion.


Next, you have the fact he has a Low 6-B key, which stems from his earthquake, but shouldnt the profile be High 6-B via Eartquake?

To close things off, you have his 6-B key as L6-B instead of Low 6-B

 

[Kellex]

Some of the scaling looks dated, for some reason. Kuwabara is 6-A, but Hiei and Kurama are Low 6-B or 6-B with Black Dragon Wave in Hiei's case; which is just plain wrong. I know it was agreed they shouldn't fully scale from Sensui, but there needs to be some substance and no guesswork. But they are roughly the same tier as Enma.

Yu Yu Hakusho verse is outdated in general tbh.
I'm interested in updating all of it, but it seems like a drag.

As for this thread, there's a couple things missing in Great King Enma's profile and one of them possibly being mind manipulation:

There's more information in the last few chapters, but I don't quite remember cause it was rushed.

 

[ReverseCross]

The grammar for King Enma is not great.

"Great King Enma was a ruler and judge of the Spirit World until being overthrown by his son, Koenma. Also Great King Enna is a giant bearded Lord of the Spirit World."

You dont need the also part, including the fact you have described him as lord and ruler. Which are similar. Despite the fact he isnt a ruler anymore. So that part can lead to confusion.


Next, you have the fact he has a Low 6-B key, which stems from his earthquake, but shouldnt the profile be High 6-B via Eartquake?

To close things off, you have his 6-B key as L6-B instead of Low 6-B

I’m confused. In Hiei’s profile, he’s classified as Low 6-B via this earthquake, but why? Doesn’t 3,000 Teratons fall within the 760 Teratons to 4,435 Petatons range? If it does, then Enma and characters scaled to him should be 6-A, shouldn’t they?

 

[ReverseCross]

Yu Yu Hakusho verse is outdated in general tbh.
I'm interested in updating all of it, but it seems like a drag.

As for this thread, there's a couple things missing in Great King Enma's profile and one of them possibly being mind manipulation:

There's more information in the last few chapters, but I don't quite remember cause it was rushed.

Thank you for the information. Yes, I think I’ll use this in the profile.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I’m confused. In Hiei’s profile, he’s classified as Low 6-B via this earthquake, but why? Doesn’t 3,000 Teratons fall within the 760 Teratons to 4,435 Petatons range? If it does, then Enma and characters scaled to him should be 6-A, shouldn’t they?

Hiei, Kurama, and Kuwabara all used to just slightly downscale from Sensui, but then I forgot when Hiei got downgraded back to Low 6-B; which based on text appears to be 3.3 Teratons and not 3000. But it doesn't look like there was a proper calculation and it assumes to be total seismic energy assumption as opposed to radiated waves. Which isn't really a standard assumption. Though I think it was agreed that none of the A-Class cast scale from Sensui due to him outright stomping them with ease, but using their own feats was good. Kuwabura is strangely still listed as 6-A+ though; his is the outdated one.

 

[ReverseCross]

Hiei, Kurama, and Kuwabara all used to just slightly downscale from Sensui, but then I forgot when Hiei got downgraded back to Low 6-B; which based on text appears to be 3.3 Teratons and not 3000. But it doesn't look like there was a proper calculation and it assumes to be total seismic energy assumption as opposed to radiated waves. Which isn't really a standard assumption. Though I think it was agreed that none of the A-Class cast scale from Sensui due to him outright stomping them with ease, but using their own feats was good. Kuwabura is strangely still listed as 6-A+ though; his is the outdated one.

This total moment energy is not the total seismic energy. It looks like the earthquake page on wiki has its own calculation tool, and the result it gives seems to match the old 3.3 teraton value.

 

[ReverseCross]

Some of the scaling looks dated, for some reason. Kuwabara is 6-A, but Hiei and Kurama are Low 6-B or 6-B with Black Dragon Wave in Hiei's case; which is just plain wrong. I know it was agreed they shouldn't fully scale from Sensui, but there needs to be some substance and no guesswork. But they are roughly the same tier as Enma.

You previously warned me about not scaling them directly using Sensui’s statements, but it appears that the assumption of Hiei and Kurama being in the A-class on their profiles is based solely on the statement of Low S-class Sensui, who fought them; there’s no other source supporting that. “In the Dark Tournament, Sensui mentions that A-class demons possess powers comparable to gods from various religions and mythologies.” I actually mentioned that Sensui is quite a reliable source; in the wiki, Upper A-class is listed as 6-A, and with the calculation, Enma is Low 6-B — which already means Enma would, at best, be in the mid A-class range. Similarly, the mid A-class characters who scale to Enma should remain at Low 6-B, since we see that Hiei and Kurama — who were assumed to be stronger than Enma at that time — struggled against Low S-class Sensui. Also, Kuwabara, who was trying to catch up with them, should be changed from “likely 6-A” to “likely Low 6-B.” However, I’m a bit confused about something — on the Yu Yu Hakusho verse page in the wiki, there’s an explanation for the Upper A-class stating that these characters are 6-A. But we know that Sensui, before awakening his Sacred Energy, was already Upper A-class. Likewise, his feats from that time have been calculated and classified as High 6-A. Therefore, the upper limit for Upper A-class characters should not be 6-A, but rather High 6-A.

 

[ReverseCross]

The profile looks good now. Assuming, as Sensui said, that Hiei and Kurama are A-Class, I think we agree that they should also be Low 6-B like Enma.

 

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

You previously warned me about not scaling them directly using Sensui’s statements, but it appears that the assumption of Hiei and Kurama being in the A-class on their profiles is based solely on the statement of Low S-class Sensui, who fought them; there’s no other source supporting that. “In the Dark Tournament, Sensui mentions that A-class demons possess powers comparable to gods from various religions and mythologies.” I actually mentioned that Sensui is quite a reliable source; in the wiki, Upper A-class is listed as 6-A, and with the calculation, Enma is Low 6-B — which already means Enma would, at best, be in the mid A-class range. Similarly, the mid A-class characters who scale to Enma should remain at Low 6-B, since we see that Hiei and Kurama — who were assumed to be stronger than Enma at that time — struggled against Low S-class Sensui. Also, Kuwabara, who was trying to catch up with them, should be changed from “likely 6-A” to “likely Low 6-B.” However, I’m a bit confused about something — on the Yu Yu Hakusho verse page in the wiki, there’s an explanation for the Upper A-class stating that these characters are 6-A. But we know that Sensui, before awakening his Sacred Energy, was already Upper A-class. Likewise, his feats from that time have been calculated and classified as High 6-A. Therefore, the upper limit for Upper A-class characters should not be 6-A, but rather High 6-A.

I'm not sure I remember the accepted calculation, the meteor example is fine then; which would probably be Low 6-B. I never disagreed with Sensui being reliable; A-Class demons are indeed comparable to "Gods of myths and legends" or Yu Yu Hakusho's interpretation of it.

I guess Low 6-B scaling is AOK then; and agreed Kuwabara should have his profile fixed to reflect that as should our Verse page's power of the verse section.

 

[ReverseCross]

Sensui being reliable; A-Class demons are indeed comparable to "Gods of myths and legends" or Yu Yu Hakusho's interpretation of it.

Actually, the context here isn’t that A-Class beings possess power equal to mythological gods. What I mean is that, according to Sensui, the majority of A-Class characters are the actual gods from real-world mythologies. For example, Enma’s real-world counterpart is Yama from Buddhism, which means that Enma would at best be a middle A-Class being. That’s the claim and reasoning behind it.

 

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[Godernet]

A couple of things,

- Why are his tiers split into two sections if he only has one key? You could probably remove those extra "Unknown | XYZ tier" if there is only one key.

- Some justifications and references for striking strength and durability should also be added to avoid confusion about where and who he scales to.

- You can probably derive Range from his earthquake statement, rather than it just being unknown.

- You can also likely give him the Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Extrasensory Perception, NPI, and Enhanced Senses that even BoS Yusuke has given; they're basic abilities of the power system and things that especially the King of the Spirit World should have.

- You could probably give him speed relative to his peers in that tier at bare minimum as a possibly rating.

- Given his standing in the world and the amount of work we see Koenma has to do throughout the series he could probably get Above Average Intelligence at least due to his standing as ruler of spirit world (this is more of a side point compared to those other things though.)

 

[ReverseCross]

A couple of things,

- Why are his tiers split into two sections if he only has one key? You could probably remove those extra "Unknown | XYZ tier" if there is only one key.

- Some justifications and references for striking strength and durability should also be added to avoid confusion about where and who he scales to.

- You can probably derive Range from his earthquake statement, rather than it just being unknown.

- You can also likely give him the Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Extrasensory Perception, NPI, and Enhanced Senses that even BoS Yusuke has given; they're basic abilities of the power system and things that especially the King of the Spirit World should have.

- You could probably give him speed relative to his peers in that tier at bare minimum as a possibly rating.

- Given his standing in the world and the amount of work we see Koenma has to do throughout the series he could probably get Above Average Intelligence at least due to his standing as ruler of spirit world (this is more of a side point compared to those other things though.)

Enhanced senses and NPI are unnecessary, because in this verse, demons and spirits can see and interact with other demons by their very nature. This isn’t a separate ability — it can be compared to how we humans can see and communicate with each other. As for the range, I have doubts about whether Enma’s rage truly has a measurable range, because this feat shouldn’t be compared to natural earthquakes. That’s why we used the earthquake calculator based on meteor impacts.

 

[Arkenis]

This just doesn't look done.

Edit: Also the earthquake reaches across another dimension?

 

[ReverseCross]

This just doesn't look done.

Edit: Also the earthquake reaches across another dimension?

You could say it’s kind of like that. "According to Koenma, his father’s anger is the earthquake of earth, so powerful that this quake will reach the human world and affect them."

 

[Arkenis]

That should be calc then. Isn't the demon world larger? If its not a literal earthquake then you can calc the radiated of two planets or the frequency

 

[ReverseCross]

That should be calc then. Isn't the demon world larger? If its not a literal earthquake then you can calc the radiated of two planets or the frequency

The world of demons is of infinite width and depth. Actually, I wanted the translation team to translate this, but they haven’t dealt with it yet. Still, I assume it wouldn’t differ from the original translation:

"The wrath of the gods is the wrath of the sky; the wrath of my father is the wrath of the earth."

Here, the context is that Enma’s rage somehow reflects onto the human world, but there is insufficient evidence regarding exactly how it manifests. Therefore, if we tried to calculate it as you suggested, it would most likely yield an outlier/inconsistent value. For this reason, the best comparison here is the 1707 Hoei earthquake.

 

[Godernet]

Enhanced senses and NPI are unnecessary, because in this verse, demons and spirits can see and interact with other demons by their very nature. This isn’t a separate ability — it can be compared to how we humans can see and communicate with each other.

whether the abilities are gained due to the very nature of their physiology and self evident doesn’t really matter tbh

It can and should still be indexed for the sake of cross verse and accurately depicting these characters

Even if it’s a spirit interacting with another spirit indexing vs a human doing so, the fact that they can see and touch spirits at all is more important than what causes them to be allowed to do so.

As for the range, I have doubts about whether Enma’s rage truly has a measurable range, because this feat shouldn’t be compared to natural earthquakes. That’s why we used the earthquake calculator based on meteor impacts.

It can def still be quantified even if it isn’t natural, other verses calculate a persons spiritual energy causing “quakes” that extend past two worlds.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah I was gonna say, if he can effect the world, he should just have High uni range or at least possibly if it's not concrete

 

[ReverseCross]

Even if it’s a spirit interacting with another spirit indexing vs a human doing so, the fact that they can see and touch spirits at all is more important than what causes them to be allowed to do so.

Then, if another moderator agrees, we can add this to the other demon characters in the series.

 

[ReverseCross]

We don’t actually have solid evidence of how Enma’s rage manifests in the human world — we only came up with this speculation based on Koenma’s statements. So, if his rage truly extends beyond the demon world and reaches the human world, it could be considered an outlier. That’s why I’m uncertain whether it should be added to the profile or not, and I think it wouldn’t hurt to hear another moderator’s opinion on it.

 

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