Erza vs Sakura: Rematch

[Delusionaltx2]

I don't see how travel speed would actually allow Sakura to gap close Erza who is in the air tbh

Erza would have to switch to the armour then get out of her range to be in the air

if sakura ragdolls her back down, she can't do that

 

[Shadowslash125]

she can jump high can't she? just not air-steps.

Yea, just jump high.
EDIT: I think so, Ninjas can jump high, but Erza with flight stuff can still outmanuevor her.

Erza would have to switch to the armour then get out of her range to be in the air

if sakura ragdolls her back down, she can't do that

I mean, it's a weird contention to make since all it does is allow Sakura to just tag her via travel speed. Nothing really changes, like her combat or reaction. So it's like fighting a Steve who just buffed himself with potion of speed instead of potion of haste. He just runs fast.
What about when Erza is actually in the air?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Also I realised I have been ignored by Arkenis throughout both threads...

 

[Greatsage13th]

Also I realised I have been ignored by Arkenis throughout both threads...

Yeouch

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Yea, just jump high.


I mean, it's a weird contention to make since all it does is allow Sakura to just tag her via travel speed. Nothing really changes, like her combat or reaction. So it's like fighting a Steve who just buffed himself with potion of speed instead of potion of haste. He just runs fast.

Not really, it literally prevents her from getting out of range

What about when Erza is actually in the air?

she wouldn't be able to, sakura just ragdolls her before she's out of range

 

[Arkenis]

Well that still significantly weakens Sakura's win con of winning through strength. She's one of the least aerial combat capable ninjas in the series and like most ninjas, can't casually propel themselves through air no more than a meter or so. Sakura lands maybe 2 hits before gravity does its thing and Erza has a far greater chance of hitting her with her 200 swords or several other armor swords.

I just don't get this idea of Sakura winning against an aerial fighter who's similar if not better in skill, a bigger kit and amps of her own. Or even if Erza is on the ground, this will simply last a short moment when she realizes Sakura can only do anything on the ground.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Oh I thought you meant part 1 Hinata since you said BoS.

Makes sense, I meant Beginning of Shippuden

But idk why this shunshin argument became so big, genuinely just a misunderstanding of if she uses it in combat vs just for traveling.

It's genuinely so weird because shunshin is brought up in basically every thread featuring a Naruto character

 

[Shadowslash125]

Not really, it literally prevents her from getting out of range

I mean, that just supports my claim that she's just buffing her travel speed. The pressure doesn't change all too much tbh. If she has her other speeds changed, that'd be a different story.

she wouldn't be able to, sakura just ragdolls her before she's out of range

Travel Speed =/= combat or reaction speed. It doesn't raise her chance of landing a hit or something.

 

[Arkenis]

Also I realised I have been ignored by Arkenis throughout both threads...

You're the first person I responded to in this thread <3

 

[Shadowslash125]

You're the first person I responded to in this thread <3

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

quick question, who are you votting for?

I vote Sakura

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I mean, that just supports my claim that she's just buffing her travel speed. The pressure doesn't change all too much tbh. If she has her other speeds changed, that'd be a different story.

it dosen't matter though? Travel speed is what erza is using to get into the air, sakura is atching that by using a massive travel speed amp to catch here

Travel Speed =/= combat or reaction speed. It doesn't raise her chance of landing a hit or something.

- Erzas flight speed is also her travel speed

- nobody is saying travel speed equals combat speed

- if there is no distance then sakura can go right back to bullying her with physicals

 

[Shadowslash125]

it dosen't matter though? Travel speed is what erza is using to get into the air, sakura is atching that by using a massive travel speed amp to catch here


- Erzas flight speed is also her travel speed

- nobody is saying travel speed equals combat speed

- if there is no distance then sakura can go right back to bullying her with physicals

The speeds might be the same value, but they're mutually exclusive otherwise.

Travel Speed
The speed at which a character or object can move by running, or through similar means that do not involve flight or teleportation.

Flight Speed
The speed at which a character or object flies a certain distance, like going from the earth to the sun, for example.

It doesn't really matter whether Sakura can tag her as she's flying with her travel speed amp because she can still defend midair thanks to the fact that the speeds that matter don't change at all. Hell, doesn't it just set Erza up for danmaku potential? Being so point-blank into her while she's in those forms would either spell the end for her, or allow Erza to bait Sakura into moving away for better setups of other attacks.

So basically, nothing changes, they're either in cqc or Erza's far enough to spam danmaku

 

[Shadowslash125]

Also, I just checcked, and why isn't her shunshin amp noted on any other keys besides her first one? Are the speed amps practically negligible?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The speeds might be the same value, but they're mutually exclusive otherwise.


It doesn't really matter whether Sakura can tag her as she's flying with her travel speed amp because she can still defend midair thanks to the fact that the speeds that matter don't change at all.

You would still have to explain how fast erzas flight speed is then because like david said, bums can cross kilometers in seconds with shunshin

Hell, doesn't it just set Erza up for danmaku potential? Being so point-blank into her while she's in those forms would either spell the end for her, or allow Erza to bait Sakura into moving away for better setups of other attacks.

Assuming she's close enough she just deflects them while reinforcing her hands with chakra

So basically, nothing changes, they're either in cqc or Erza's far enough to spam danmaku

Read above

 

[Shadowslash125]

Assuming she's close enough she just deflects them while reinforcing her hands with chakra

Whoops, my mistake. I thought every one of her attacks fall into danmaku. Turns out it's just heaven's wheel. It still doesn't stop her from spamming other projectiles. Also, she doesn't have NPI so uhhh hard to deflect those other projectiles. The sword danmaku is fair game.

You would still have to explain how fast erzas flight speed is then because like david said, bums can cross kilometers in seconds with shunshin

Problem lies in speed equal now. Whether she can cross kilometers in seconds is irrelevant if her speed gets reduced to equalise with Erza's. And the additional problem of the shunshin not having a speed noting in other keys mean the amp is practically negligible thanks to profile shenanigans.

Also, I just realised, why aren't we talking about Nakagami armor, when it just so happens that her profile has it in the ******* starry sky key.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Whoops, my mistake. I thought every one of her attacks fall into danmaku. Turns out it's just heaven's wheel. It still doesn't stop her from spamming other projectiles. Also, she doesn't have NPI so uhhh hard to deflect those other projectiles. The sword danmaku is fair game.

Why would she need NPI?

Problem lies in speed equal now. Whether she can cross kilometers in seconds is irrelevant if her speed gets reduced to equalise with Erza's. And the additional problem of the shunshin not having a speed noting in other keys mean the amp is practically negligible thanks to profile shenanigans.

Shunshin isn't her standard speed its a travel speed amp, which would mean the difference between sakuras travel speed without it and sakuras travel speed while using it would be applied to her newly equalized travel speed which would be equal to erzas

Also, I just realised, why aren't we talking about Nakagami armor, when it just so happens that her profile has it in the ******* starry sky key.

FT profile issue at that point

 

[DailyFairy]

Once again, no it isn't as nobody was arguing that she was just walking into it already having known how to dodge danmaku, what's being said is that she adapted to it as the fight progressed and that by the end of the fight she can dodge this stuff on her own

We have on screen showings that say otherwise. Needle Sphere was his best danmaku showing and even with Chiyo's help to pull her out of the way, she was still tagged by it and got saved by Chiyo against the hundred puppets

And once again most of that s*** completely missed her, she didn't need to dodge or do anything until she was at point blank range and all she did was deflect like 4 of them

They quite literally different. They're directed right towards the front of Erza and she's visibly shown dodging and cutting down her Leprachaun and only starts to get grazed once the output doubles, where she immediately counters by using her feet. This is visibly and quantifiably better than anything Sakura has shown

If you wanna show an anti fear for sakura not scaling to sasori lvl danmaku then show us a feat using Sakura after the fight please

That's on you to provide as you're arguing can dodge all of Erza's attacks due to her fight with Sasori, which the actual fight showed is untrue. So if you've got another example, I'd discuss that one

Madara and kaguya

Threats to the planet with their plans. Not the same scenario

SBA assumes both characters are fighting to win with losing resulting in dire consequences, sakura is not gonna treat this as some random spacing match she'll treat this as war.

Never said she would treat it as sparring, but she's actively not gonna treat this like the war. The stakes are not nearly as high

And again nobody is saying she'll immediately start with it

This doesn't matter, the fight starts she attacks, she immediately realizes she's stronger and then she uses it.

Oh so we lying now. Dope

Dosent matter, she breaks the hammer anyway

Source: Trust me bro. It's not broken by relative peers. Speaking of Relativity

Now Idk about 15 gigatons but Ik at least with naruto people actually make crts so it's prob accepted somewhere

As far as class T goes that stuff comes from her being listed as comparable to tsunade who scales to thi

I've scrolled many pages for whatever this value is and cannot find it or anyone justifying it. Just the 4.3 gigatons which I don't really agree with since its downscaliing from a rasenshuriken calc but I digress and unless someone can present it and its reasoning, I will be ignoring that value and treating the Byakugo as an Unquantifiable amp in power, which would just give Erza an advantage overall

As for Class T, I don't agree with it either as the size they use for Manda is grossly exaggerated as he's not that much bigger than Gamabunta's 17 meter size stated in the databook

Once again the light is extremely short ranged so it would be pretty easy to substitute out of it

Also the light doesn't prevent her from moving

Short range huh? The short range that was able to light itself up and make itself visible through Ajeel's sandstorm that covered Magnolia and the area around it, and made it so characters can't even see directly in front of them as well as Bisca, the guild's sniper who can fire across Magnolia accurately to hit the ships outside the town but couldn't see through the sandstorm and was able to accurately hit Ajeel through said sandstorm because of the light coming from the armor? That short range? That's certainly one of the rebuttals of all time

Your arguing that erza would use weight to crush sakura...you directly mentioned that she would use the weight of her attacks via one of her armours to tear her limbs off of some s*** your the one arguing for it not me

This argument is now no longer my concern until a different ls feat for Sakura is brought up

 

[Zackra1799]

based on what's been presented here so far, I still think Erza takes this, Erza FRA

 

[Delusionaltx2]

We have on screen showings that say otherwise. Needle Sphere was his best danmaku showing and even with Chiyo's help to pull her out of the way, she was still tagged by it and got saved by Chiyo against the hundred puppets

no you don't your showing suggest sakura was struggling at the middle of the fight not that sakura by the end of the fight or beyond dosen't scale to it

They quite literally different. They're directed right towards the front of Erza and she's visibly shown dodging and cutting down her Leprachaun and only starts to get grazed once the output doubles, where she immediately counters by using her feet. This is visibly and quantifiably better than anything Sakura has shown

She's literally just running towards her as she's missing most of her attacks, she only starts deflecting like some of them near the end but your suggesting she was doing this the entire time against the entire attack which is just a straight up lie

That's on you to provide as you're arguing can dodge all of Erza's attacks due to her fight with Sasori, which the actual fight showed is untrue. So if you've got another example, I'd discuss that one

Once again your entire argument is built on cherry picking. Show me an anti feat that suggests sakura near the end of the fight or after fighting sasori cannot deal with sasori level danmaku

Threats to the planet with their plans. Not the same scenario

Lets look at SBA again shall we?

"State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law."

Losing to erza would be looked at as havin similar consequences to those guys making it a mute point

Never said she would treat it as sparring, but she's actively not gonna treat this like the war. The stakes are not nearly as high

yes she will per SBA

Oh so we lying now. Dope

The projection is insane

How do you read "She attacks, she realizes she's stronger than her, she uses byakuyo" as "she uses byakuyo" what is this????

Source: Trust me bro. It's not broken by relative peers. Speaking of Relativity

Here's a whole QnA of people coming to the conclusion that a massive LS advantage with relative or higher ap can still allow a character to overpower another character

I've scrolled many pages for whatever this value is and cannot find it or anyone justifying it. Just the 4.3 gigatons which I don't really agree with since its downscaliing from a rasenshuriken calc but I digress and unless someone can present it and its reasoning, I will be ignoring that value and treating the Byakugo as an Unquantifiable amp in power, which would just give Erza an advantage overall

You can't just straight up ignore it for two reasons

1. it's on the profile which it's own wouldn't be that important but then there's the second reason

2. It's probably accepted, If it is accepted you can no longer ignore it per wiki rules and with the nature of naruto calcs it's probably accepted which is why you can't ignore it

As for Class T, I don't agree with it either as the size they use for Manda is grossly exaggerated as he's not that much bigger than Gamabunta's 17 meter size stated in the databook

Now while idk if the 15 gigaton stuff was accepted but all the main nard calcs are accepted so you can't ignore it

Short range huh? The short range that was able to light itself up and make itself visible through Ajeel's sandstorm that covered Magnolia and the area around it, and made it so characters can't even see directly in front of them as well as Bisca, the guild's sniper who can fire across Magnolia accurately to hit the ships outside the town but couldn't see through the sandstorm and was able to accurately hit Ajeel through said sandstorm because of the light coming from the armor? That short range? That's certainly one of the rebuttals of all time

The area behind him is literally shown to still be darkened btw

edit: fixed the link

This argument is now no longer my concern until a different ls feat for Sakura is brought up

Cool

 

[MintyBoi1]

I’m going for Erza for basically the same reasons as before. Her having so many armors to switch through, including ones that can amp her, shield her, or let her fly, plus better weapons and probably skill, should let her eventually overwhelm Sakura. Shunshin is a good amp, but flight is a good enough advantage to counteract that, plus Erza’s endurance is crazy, so punching her a bunch won’t take her out easily.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I’m going for Erza for basically the same reasons as before. Her having so many armors to switch through, including ones that can amp her,

Her strongest armours scale to 10 gigatons...which are below sakuras value (15 gigatons) who can get stronger with byakuyo and empowerment

shield her,

Class T physicals say she just breaks the shield with LS

or let her fly,

How fast is her flight? Nobody mentioned this?

plus better weapons

which are getting predicted and dodged the entire time

and mobility,

Again how fast is her flight armour

should let her eventually overwhelm Sakura. Shunshin is a good amp, but flight is a good enough advantage to counteract that,

Notice how you never mentioned how fast erzas flight armour is while its been mentioned that shunshin can allow bums to cross kilometers in seconds?

plus Erza’s endurance is crazy, so punching her a bunch won’t take her out easily.

She has limits you know that right? If sakura uses LS to break her bones (which she can do) what happens then?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Her strongest armours scale to 10 gigatons...which are below sakuras value (15 gigatons) who can get stronger with byakuyo and empowerment

Class T physicals say she just breaks the shield with LS

How fast is her flight? Nobody mentioned this?

which are getting predicted and dodged the entire time

Again how fast is her flight armour

Notice how you never mentioned how fast erzas flight armour is while its been mentioned that shunshin can allow bums to cross kilometers in seconds?

She has limits you know that right? If sakura uses LS to break her bones (which she can do) what happens then?

Still, she has much more limited options in terms of offense. How often has she used LS in a fight, I remember her being far more of a striker than a grappler. She grabbed Sasori’s cord, but that’s about all I remember. Erza also has her own Empowerment.

I’m unsure how fast the flight is, but the fact it’s there is just inherently better than being on the ground the whole time. I do see it has Speed Amps attached to it though. Seems like a more constant buff than Shunshin.

Sakura’s prediction seems to be pattern based, which will be pretty hard to keep up when Erza is switching to armors with different fighting styles and specialties.

Sure, but those limits are exceedingly high. Erza has supernatural willpower/pain tolerance and she’s not the one who’s gonna be facing piercing damage the whole time. Sakura can regenerate, but her offensive options will be lacking since the standard ninja weapons would be easily to deal with.

 

[MountainWine]

Erza FRA

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

The train of FRA for erza is highly sus

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Erza with her emotions can amp beyond what Sakura can handle, FT bullshit style

Just saying it

 

[MintyBoi1]

Erza with her emotions can amp beyond what Sakura can handle, FT bullshit style

Just saying it

That’s why she’s the goat

 

[Arkenis]

The train of FRA for erza is highly sus

not really, this match was already done and she won it. The arguments seem to not have changed much.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Still, she has much more limited options in terms of offense.

Dosen't really matter if erza has literally no answers this is like comparing idk comparing a character with one insta kill win button vs a character with hundreds of abilities that don't work

like yeah the character is technically limited but the options they do have still more than make up for it

How often has she used LS in a fight, I remember her being far more of a striker than a grappler. She grabbed Sasori’s cord, but that’s about all I remember. Erza also has her own Empowerment.

First of sakura is commonly put in situations where she literally can't use LS most of the time making that already an iffy question

Second of all the whole point of sakuras intellegence profile is to talk about how adaptable sakura is to different situations on the battlefield even if you wanted to say that it was out of character for sakura to use her LS she would literally realize very quickly that erzas LS is no where near heres once the two start by engaging in close quarters

I’m unsure how fast the flight is, but the fact it’s there is just inherently better than being on the ground the whole time. I do see it has Speed Amps attached to it though. Seems like a more constant buff than Shunshin.

So basically your saying "Erzas flight is faster but I have no idea what gets her there nor do I have any CRTS or accepted info to explain why but yeah its def faster than shunshin"
We don't even get an idea of how fast it is or anything your just saying it's aster because...it is?

Sakura’s prediction seems to be pattern based, which will be pretty hard to keep up

As said multiple times she can do this with just finger gestures what suggests this is "pattern based" what does that even mean? that she can predict patterns from a guy who can use stuff as complicated as this? therefore it's somehow an anti feat? what does this mean?

when Erza is switching to armors with different fighting styles and specialties.

How complicated are said fighting styles erza switching from a sword to a shield isn't gonna be a problem or even an argument

Sure, but those limits are exceedingly high. Erza has supernatural willpower/pain tolerance and she’s not the one who’s gonna be facing piercing damage the whole time.

Ok what happens when sakura breaks her limbs and she only gets the chance to land like one attack off while she can't move? assuming we're scaling her endurance to her 6A key

Sakura can regenerate, but her offensive options will be lacking since the standard ninja weapons would be easily to deal with.

She can literally just LS her way through any of erzas shields, she can literally break the holy hammer and prevent regen neg from doing anything, she can literally dodge all of erzas attacks for reasons already explained at the start of the thread, why does her offensive options suggest she wins??


You see this is exactly why this thread exists in the first place, erza supporters were literally saying "Erzas arsenal can just overwelm sakura because she can "Erza outstats because she can" "Erza can fricking beat goku because she can"

No scans no refferences no nothing

 

[Delusionaltx2]

not really, this match was already done and she won it. The arguments seem to not have changed much.

The whole reason why this thread was made in the first place was because erzas arguments were literally saying "Erza wins because her arsenal would just overwelm sakura because she can" "Erza outskills because she can do stuff sakura can do but to a lesser extent like predict attacks"

there was no reasoning behind it at all

 

[Delusionaltx2]

In fact now that we've addressed that the holy hammer gets broken by LS to which the only counter argument I've seen is "Sakura can't do that because their ap is only reletive" which dosen't matter because massive LS differences still allow her to do stuff

How does erza even land enough hits to get pass regen? her arsenal? how does it hit her when sakura is both extremely evasive and highly adaptable?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The train of FRA for erza is highly sus

literally what i'm saying i swear

One guy is going "I'll ignore the class T lifting strength because i don't like it even though the calcs for naruto were accepted"

Another guy is going "No way is erzas flight armor slower than shunshin"

where are the justifications? where are the scans? Screw you this is FT I ain't gotta explain s***

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

literally what i'm saying i swear

One guy is going "I'll ignore the class T lifting strength because i don't like it even though the calcs for naruto were accepted"

Another guy is going "No way is erzas flight armor slower than shunshin"

where are the justifications? where are the scans? Screw you this is FT I ain't gotta explain s***

You can always ask to delete the verse and I will help you by agreeing

 

[Delusionaltx2]

- Says erza can dodge danmaku

- Shows me a scan of her opponent literally missing 90% percent of her shots while erza is just running towards her in a straight line

Erza supporters: yup she can dodge danmaku this is def comparable to sakura dealing with dozens of puppets lunging at her from different angles and has no room for contentions

I'm fricking done

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

literally what i'm saying i swear

One guy is going "I'll ignore the class T lifting strength because i don't like it even though the calcs for naruto were accepted"

Another guy is going "No way is erzas flight armor slower than shunshin"

where are the justifications? where are the scans? Screw you this is FT I ain't gotta explain s***

Same thing with the previous thread as well

I genuinely have not seen a valid win con for Erza thus far and we got peps saying FRA for no apparent reason

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Same thing with the previous thread as well

I genuinely have not seen a valid win con for Erza thus far and we got peps saying FRA for no apparent reason

Anyways it's like 7-5 in erzas favor (counting the votes that actually at least tried to make arguments instead of siting the same reasoning that serves as the whole reason why this thread was made in the first place)

that said if we get like 2 votes grace gets canceled and this continues so someone should get more nard supporters in here or something

 

[MintyBoi1]

Dosen't really matter if erza has literally no answers this is like comparing idk comparing a character with one insta kill win button vs a character with hundreds of abilities that don't work

like yeah the character is technically limited but the options they do have still more than make up for it

First of sakura is commonly put in situations where she literally can't use LS most of the time making that already an iffy question

Second of all the whole point of sakuras intellegence profile is to talk about how adaptable sakura is to different situations on the battlefield even if you wanted to say that it was out of character for sakura to use her LS she would literally realize very quickly that erzas LS is no where near heres once the two start by engaging in close quarters

So basically your saying "Erzas flight is faster but I have no idea what gets her there nor do I have any CRTS or accepted info to explain why but yeah its def faster than shunshin"
We don't even get an idea of how fast it is or anything your just saying it's aster because...it is?

As said multiple times she can do this with just finger gestures what suggests this is "pattern based" what does that even mean? that she can predict patterns from a guy who can use stuff as complicated as this? therefore it's somehow an anti feat? what does this mean?

How complicated are said fighting styles erza switching from a sword to a shield isn't gonna be a problem or even an argument

Ok what happens when sakura breaks her limbs and she only gets the chance to land like one attack off while she can't move? assuming we're scaling her endurance to her 6A key

She can literally just LS her way through any of erzas shields, she can literally break the holy hammer and prevent regen neg from doing anything, she can literally dodge all of erzas attacks for reasons already explained at the start of the thread, why does her offensive options suggest she wins??


You see this is exactly why this thread exists in the first place, erza supporters were literally saying "Erzas arsenal can just overwelm sakura because she can "Erza outstats because she can" "Erza can fricking beat goku because she can"

No scans no refferences no nothing

In what way? I’m saying Sakura severely damaging Erza will be harder than the other way around. Also she’s comparable, so there’s no insta kill scenario here.

If it’s iffy, then why are we assuming she would see a shield and instantly tear it in half? And what about Erza’s full body armors like Adamantine? I’m assuming you mean Sakura has better clashing strength which she’ll use to find out the LS gap. I don’t know how else she’d do it unless she like threw a rock. But then Erza could just cut it.

I never even said I think she outspeeds. Just that being able to fly against someone who can’t is a big advantage. Maybe I worded it weirdly, but that’s my point.

In that scan, she’s analyzing Sasori’s finger movements to see what he’ll do. The problem is that he’s a puppet master, so specific hand movements are the basis of him controlling his puppets. That’s not really comparable to Erza in any way. Are you trying to tell me Sakura can predict any kind of fighters movements by looking at their hands and arms? And the profile’s explanation says she gradually reads attack patterns. I’m just going off what is there and my knowledge of Sakura.

Decently varied. Some more mobility based, resistance based, or in Adamantine’s, defense based. There’s also Heaven’s Wheel where she could just bombard Sakura or the no defense one that goes full power/speed and skill.

That’s unlikely, but I’m just gonna say, it’s lucky for Sakura this isn’t final arc Erza who won a fight with all her bones broken. The writing there was kinda bad, but she did it. On the other hand, if Sakura gets stabbed through the brain or decapitated, she’s done for if I remember how her regeneration works right. Not sure how in character that is for Erza, but it’s on the table.

I’m just saying that she has comparable skill and better versatility/movement options. Pretty sure people already put scans for her dodging Danmaku too.

 

[Arkenis]

The whole reason why this thread was made in the first place was because erzas arguments were literally saying "Erza wins because her arsenal would just overwelm sakura because she can" "Erza outskills because she can do stuff sakura can do but to a lesser extent like predict attacks"

there was no reasoning behind it at all

Then that's the reasoning.

How does erza even land enough hits to get pass regen? her arsenal? how does it hit her when sakura is both extremely evasive and highly adaptable?

Others have already discussed this, Sakura isn't very evasive, the Sasori fight was her being helped by Chiyo. Sakuras not effortlessly evading every single attack. Sakura will get hit and she'll have to regen. Sakura will get hit at some point that does her in. That isn't impossible, it's not unsubstantiated, Erza's fully capable of doing it.

Erza supporters: yup she can dodge danmaku this is def comparable to sakura dealing with dozens of puppets lunging at her from different angles and has no room for contentions

She's literally just fighting a couple of puppets in that scene. You can't demonstrate her visually combatting 100 puppets let alone Erza's 200 swords. And I don't think anyone's saying Sakura can't at all dodge, she's clearly capable but it's more that Sakura will be hit within such a scenario multiple times and that will cause her to need to regen. I think she will at some point just be fatigued from needing to constantly regenerate from it and exhaust her chakra. This is ignoring Erza's many different elemental sword abilities.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

In what way? I’m saying Sakura severely damaging Erza will be harder than the other way around.

And i'm saying it won't

Also she’s comparable, so there’s no insta kill scenario here.

Hmm really??? lets look at profiles rq

Erza: Lifting Strength: Class M (Stronger than Base Natsu and Gray) | Class M (Stronger than before)

Sakura: Lifting Strength: At least Class T with the strength of a 100 seals (Stated to have the strength of Tsunade on multiple occasions)

These are not comparable unless we're saying "erza is comparable in ap therefore LS won't mean anything" but oh wait it's almost like I sent a thread of staff and people literally explaining how a massive LS advantage with reletive ap does quite a lot

If it’s iffy, then why are we assuming she would see a shield and instantly tear it in half? And what about Erza’s full body armors like Adamantine?

Did you listen to a thing I said? I said it was iffy? I said sakura is highly adaptable and would figure out erza is no where near as strong as she is as far as LS goes and would abuse that nothing iffy about it

I’m assuming you mean Sakura has better clashing strength which she’ll use to find out the LS gap. I don’t know how else she’d do it unless she like threw a rock. But then Erza could just cut it.

Ok? Yeah they engage in close quarters, sakura figures this out immediately and uses deception to abuse this

I never even said I think she outspeeds. Just that being able to fly against someone who can’t is a big advantage. Maybe I worded it weirdly, but that’s my point.

So you do realize if she can't outspeed shunshin then sakura being not dumb wouldn't allow her to just fly out of range if she can't do anything about it right?

In that scan, she’s analyzing Sasori’s finger movements to see what he’ll do. The problem is that he’s a puppet master, so specific hand movements are the basis of him controlling his puppets.

How does that change anything? You use fingers to move when you punch you're curing your fingers into a ball to attack, when erza requips her sword she uses her fingers to hold the sword together...literally abc 123

unless your arguing erza dosen't use her fingers to fight this is irrelevant

That’s not really comparable to Erza in any way. Are you trying to tell me Sakura can predict any kind of fighters movements by looking at their hands and arms?

yes within reason like obv if stats were equal and she's fighting f***ing yujiro hanma then no tf she isn't but erza isn't that skilled so mute point

And the profile’s explanation says she gradually reads attack patterns. I’m just going off what is there and my knowledge of Sakura.

So if we're assuming erza is spamming tf outta her arsenal and sakura gradually reads attack patterns...what do you think will happen...

Again ABC 123 ahh logic

Decently varied.

won't hit her

Some more mobility based,

slower than shunshin

resistance based,

sakura dosen't use hax most of the time just physicals

or in Adamantine’s, defense based.

crushes it with LS

There’s also Heaven’s Wheel

which gets dodged for reasons explained above

where she could just bombard Sakura or the no defense one that goes full power/speed and skill.

Once again sakura can adapt to people like sasori who can preform attacks like this

And as already explained if dozens of puppets with insta incap poision can't hit her why would erza be able to

That’s unlikely, but I’m just gonna say, it’s lucky for Sakura this isn’t final arc Erza who won a fight with all her bones broken.

Man that sucks...really does

The writing there was kinda bad, but she did it.

Cool and she only did like one attack afterwards and couldn't fight anymore...your point? Because mine was that even if you scaled erzas endurance in this key to erza in that key she would only be able to launch like one attack and then just lose

On the other hand, if Sakura gets stabbed through the brain or decapitated, she’s done for

Now explain how it gets to that point

if I remember how her regeneration works right. Not sure how in character that is for Erza, but it’s on the table.

Ah yes lets ignore her evasivness, adaptability, and moves like substitution which would be hecka usefull if erza is just throwing swords everywhere

I’m just saying that she has comparable skill and better versatility/movement options.

Where???? How????

Pretty sure people already put scans for her dodging Danmaku too.

Oh you mean the scan where she's running in a straight line and her opponent is missing like 90% of her attacks without erza needing to dodge? and how the remaining 10% is just her deflecting like barely any of them? Wow, neat argument

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

You can always ask to delete the verse and I will help you by agreeing

Very funny, sure, we should delete a 100+ Page Verse that has a bunch of stuff to it because it hasn’t been updated because it’s currently in its final arc and latest revisions can’t happen yet…

VERY FUNNY bud