Erza vs Sakura: Rematch

[Arkenis]

Guys I think Ezra wins via Swans footwork technique

Hey man, that's in her x792 key, OP put x791 key.

 

[Kaydee1648]

I legit forgot this scan exists
which is a blatant indication of shunshin
Also she completely blitzed Ino who’s comparable to her combat speed

 

[MannyQ361]

Well there was that time Minerva pulled something similar shunshin on Erza. But wouldn't Erza have resistance to durability negation in this key since she fought Ikaruga in the Tower of Heaven arc?

 

[Kaydee1648]

Well there was that time Minerva pulled something similar shunshin on Erza.

That’s not similar to shunshin, it’s more like amenotejikara which isn’t really a speed amp.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Didn't sakura use shunshin immediately she got her byakuyo seal? When she outspeed Naruto and sasuke and pummelled the whole ground?

 

[Arkenis]

She didn't outspeed them and all she did was jump.

 

[karo_senpaii]

It's gonna extremely hard for Ezra to put sakura down. There's not really much she can do to severely damage sakura to the point where she cannot regen anymore.

Sakura can also summon katsuya and her acid is like a one shot kill. That's assuming sakura doesn't wear Ezra down eventually with her punches

 

[karo_senpaii]

She didn't outspeed them and all she did was jump.

This is irrelevant. She has a higher and far higher with byakuyo and empowerment on her profile. Ezra is going to have a hard time touching her and sakura would have an easier time doing so

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Guys I think Ezra wins via Swans footwork technique

Pretty sure that's the wrong key

Erza did the same with hundreds of needles being fired at her by Evergreen,

I already sent scans + this is actually on the profile so I'm asking for scans on exactly how she did the same

I could ask how Sakura lands a hit on her as well with far less mobility with her many flying armors and being able to summon weapons from any spot she chooses around her opponent

Because

1. Sakuras entire fighting style relies on evasion

2. Erza leads with close to mid ranged armours making this irrelevant as you'd now have to explain how she outspeeds shunshin which is accepted as a blitz diff

It doesn't tho. She's less likely to use it in any non war situation against 1 opponent. If she does it just gets deactivated by the hammer

The second she deduces that erza is stronger than her and she has no way of handling that then yeah ofc she'll use it

When she saw that madara was stronger than her she used it

When she understood that kaguya was stronger than her she used it

Shell see erzas 10 gigatons is greater than her 4 gigaton AP and she'll use it

She uses it against Cobra without knowing its effects against poison dragon slayer magic. Cobra acknowledges this during his fight and was surprised she fought with it without knowing what it could do against his abilities. Her chances of pulling it out are more likely than not

Even then Sakura just breaks the hammer and now it's effects are gone

The gap is 1.3888888889 with Byakugo. Base to base the gap is 2.511627907. Erza leads with being twice as strong and even with the amp, Erza can one shot the 10.8 characters who should be higher than 10.8 anyway

Now consider the enormous LS advantage on top of that

She's just gonna substitute right away as she's blinded without a beat wasted to a spot to escape Erza? Mkay

Unless the blind is instant then yeah

She can tho? She's demonstrated that in combat when she comes across heavy blows

If you really think a class M can crush a class T I have no idea what to tell you other than to make a CRT

Else ur arguing with a wall

 

[karo_senpaii]

Sakura is more likely to deceive Ezra. She has no knowledge of her being Able to regen, sakura on the other hand is not afraid of encountering poison. Sakura is more likely to simply allow Ezra to stab her then lock her in a position where she cannot escape and force her down with superior LS and just keep pummelling her.

Honestly I'm not seeing any clear win cons for Ezra. For now no one has pointed something potent enough to finish sakura, she has the disadvantage in LS , speed advantage and katsuya if summoned is very deadly.

I'm voting sakura

 

[First_Witch]

I guess making fun of that useless P&A section of hers didn't land. Maybe I was the one that needed Swans Footwork.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I guess making fun of that useless P&A section of hers didn't land. Maybe I was the one that needed Swans Footwork.

Dw we're all stupid

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Sakura is more likely to deceive Ezra. She has no knowledge of her being Able to regen, sakura on the other hand is not afraid of encountering poison.

What ppl are arguing tbf is that when Sakura touches her hammer the power nullification would nullify her bio hax and prevent her from using healing (the power null only works on specific abilities though from the looks of it)

That said it doesn't matter because the best argument I heard from erza supporters assumes that Sakura is dumb enough to not use shunshin to close the distance on someone that's 100m away

If it wasn't clear enough I'm honestly voting Sakura FRA

 

[Kaydee1648]

yeah my vote is for sarada’s mommy*
if that wasn’t clear enough

 

[karo_senpaii]

What ppl are arguing tbf is that when Sakura touches her hammer the power nullification would nullify her bio hax and prevent her from using healing (the power null only works on specific abilities though from the looks of it)

That said it doesn't matter because the best argument I heard from erza supporters assumes that Sakura is dumb enough to not use shunshin to close the distance on someone that's 100m away

If it wasn't clear enough I'm honestly voting Sakura FRA

Bio manipulation isn't regen if not everyone who has regen would have bio manipulation. At best it would stop sakura from using offensive bio manipulation but in this key she doesn't even use it so it's pointless

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Bio manipulation isn't regen if not everyone who has regen would have bio manipulation. At best it would stop sakura from using offensive bio manipulation but in this key she doesn't even use it so it's pointless

Yeah Ik I'm just saying that their argument is that since Sakura's healing comes from bio hax that negating the bio hax would negate regen

 

[DailyFairy]

I already sent scans + this is actually on the profile so I'm asking for scans on exactly how she did the same

The one you sent with Sasori's danmaku isn't even a good example of how she'd handle such attacks. A majority of the fight with Sasori had Chiyo saving her and pulling her out of the way of all of Sasori's attacks to the point even Sasori says it's pointless to attack Sakura with Chiyo controlling her body. Even after Chiyo loses an arm and says she can't support Sakura as much, we still see Chiyo pull Sakura away or block attacks that would hit her from other angles. One of those being the needle sphere you linked, which isn't even a focused Danmaku against either of them, and Chiyo pulls her away from it anyway

Tldr Sakura's showings in that fight are not pros for handling Danmaku like Erza's who can summon an amount of Weapons similar to previous attacks from which she needed Chiyo's help to Avoid and can control their Movements. Unlike Erza who can parry her own reflected Danmaku and deal with Evergreen's Leprachaun.

Because

1. Sakuras entire fighting style relies on evasion

2. Erza leads with close to mid ranged armours making this irrelevant as you'd now have to explain how she outspeeds shunshin which is accepted as a blitz diff

And her showings as such in the big fight where she's supposed to be doing so aren't up to par

The second she deduces that erza is stronger than her and she has no way of handling that then yeah ofc she'll use it

When she saw that madara was stronger than her she used it

When she understood that kaguya was stronger than her she used it

Shell see erzas 10 gigatons is greater than her 4 gigaton AP and she'll use it

These are both in the war a scenario she's not in here with it being a 1v1 against someone she doesn't know unlike with Madada and Kaguya where the world is done for if she doesn't go all out. Her using it isn't what I'm arguing, but she's not gonna be jumping to use it as soon as she finds herself at a disadvantage

Even then Sakura just breaks the hammer and now it's effects are gone

She doesn't have the power to break the hammer. A 1.3888888889 advantage which is actually less due to Erza scaling above the 10.8 value is not enough to break a hammer that can one shot that value and even defend itself without a dent against the Pandemonium monsters who can damage GMG Erza

Unless the blind is instant then yeah

It is

If you really think a class M can crush a class T I have no idea what

If you actually read my argument, it's not about Erza crushing Sakura, it's about Erza using the speed + weight of her opponents attacks + adamantine armor against them to to turn their limbs to dust

 

[Mickey1940]

I've been gone for a single day and this shit is 3 pages long

what the **** happened

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The one you sent with Sasori's danmaku isn't even a good example of how she'd handle such attacks. A majority of the fight with Sasori had Chiyo saving her and pulling her out of the way of all of Sasori's attacks to the point even Sasori says it's pointless to attack Sakura with Chiyo controlling her body.

This was at the beginning of the fight, later on in the middle and end of the fight she adapted to it and sasori even points out that she has the skill to do so

Even after Chiyo loses an arm and says she can't support Sakura as much, we still see Chiyo pull Sakura away or block attacks that would hit her from other angles. One of those being the needle sphere you linked, which isn't even a focused Danmaku against either of them, and Chiyo pulls her away from it anyway

Again that was early on in the fight, in the middle and near the end she could dodge his stuff on her own without needing chiyos help

Tldr Sakura's showings in that fight are not pros for handling Danmaku like Erza's who can summon an amount of Weapons

Do I need to show needle sphere again or...?

similar to previous attacks from which she needed Chiyo's help to Avoid and can control their Movements.

Read the very first thing I said

Unlike Erza who can parry her own reflected Danmaku and deal with Evergreen's Leprachaun.

Erza isn't even dodging any attacks here, In the scan you sent she runs towards her as she misses most of her shots, she only starts having to do stuff when in close range and even then she just deflects like some bullets

This scan sucks

And her showings as such in the big fight where she's supposed to be doing so aren't up to par

You literally ignored the fact that she was progressively adapting to him as the fight progressess

Here's her adapting to his shenanigans as the fight progressess

Since this is a later key she would already have experience dealing with this stuff

These are both in the war a scenario she's not in here with it being a 1v1 against someone she doesn't know unlike with Madada and Kaguya where the world is done for if she doesn't go all out.

This doesn't matter, the fight starts she attacks, she immediately realizes she's stronger and then she uses it. Erza has zero instant win buttons that would stop her therefore it's a mute point

Her using it isn't what I'm arguing, but she's not gonna be jumping to use it as soon as she finds herself at a disadvantage

She will the second she realizes erza has a higher ap advantage seeing as she literally has no reason not to

She doesn't have the power to break the hammer. A 1.3888888889 advantage which is actually less due to Erza scaling above the 10.8 value is not enough to break a hammer that can one shot that value

She doesn't need a massive ap advantage to break the hammer she only needs relative AP and a massive LS advantage which she has

and even defend itself without a dent against the Pandemonium monsters who can damage GMG Erza

As far as the profiles go erza doesn't reach class T until her last key. Her weapons last I checked get stronger as the series progresses as well so why would that hammer scale to the hammer here?

If your trying to argue Erza scales to the stuff in later keys I suggest you make a CRT about it because that stuff isnt on her profile nor accepted

It is

This is an extremely close range blind, the light isn't even shown to cover the guy in the scan, what stops Sakura from not just continuing to punch her while she's blinded or even worse, crushing the armour with physicals

If you actually read my argument, it's not about Erza crushing Sakura, it's about Erza using the speed

Which is at best canceled out by shunshin

+ weight of her opponents attacks

So you ARE arguing for a class M being able to use LS stuff on a class T...

How does erza use the weight of her opponents attacks when in LS her opponent is tens of thousands of times stronger than her?

+ adamantine armor against them to to turn their limbs to dust

"No! I'm not saying that erza with stuff that's indexed as scaling to class M would be able to crush Sakura who is class T with higher AP, I'm just saying that erza would use the weight of her armour, which is indexed as scaling to class M to crush a class T with higher AP" - literally you

And for the record you wanna argue that erza has stuff that scales higher than class M then make a CRT about it because it ain't on the profile nor does it seem to be accepted

 

[Arkenis]

I've been gone for a single day and this shit is 3 pages long

what the **** happened

idk if someone did it, but could u add the votes

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

So Erza's wincons remain the same with out any changes from the previous thread.

Idk why we are constesting the fact that shinobi spam shunshin when ever they can to close distances or to catch their opponets off guard when its a staple of shinboi combat. Most of the examples used to deligetimize the constant use of shunshin by shinobi are with attacks that one shot and have continent/country ranges i.e the ten tails attacks. So the argumet that "why didnt they just sunshin out from the ten tails attacks, means they dont use sunshin often and out of character for them" is just not true

My stance on this is the same as the last thread. Voting for saukra

 

[Delusionaltx2]

idk if someone did it, but could u add the votes

The votes are like 4-5 in erzas favor

 

[DailyFairy]

This was at the beginning of the fight, later on in the middle and end of the fight she adapted to it and sasori even points out that she has the skill to do so

Again that was early on in the fight, in the middle and near the end she could dodge his stuff on her own without needing chiyos help

Both of these are untrue. The statement is directly contradicted by the following scene where Chiyo has to pull Sakura out of the way of Needle Sphere, an unfocused AOE attack, that she still gets hit by and Chiyo protects her from the hundred puppets as well

Erza isn't even dodging any attacks here, In the scan you sent she runs towards her as she misses most of her shots, she only starts having to do stuff when in close range and even then she just deflects like some bullets

This scan sucks

If you genuinely think every shot of hers is missing Erza then idk, get your eyes checked. Unlike Sasori's mass AOE, Evergreen is aiming her Leprachaun directly at Erza while Erza runs towards Evergreen as seen here

You literally ignored the fact that she was progressively adapting to him as the fight progressess

Here's her adapting to his shenanigans as the fight progressess

Since this is a later key she would already have experience dealing with this stuff

Directly shown unable to counter this right after this. She tries to read the movements of his fingers to get around the puppets, but needle sphere and the hundred puppets shows how that ends up working out for her

This doesn't matter, the fight starts she attacks, she immediately realizes she's stronger and then she uses it. Erza has zero instant win buttons that would stop her therefore it's a mute point

She will the second she realizes erza has a higher ap advantage seeing as she literally has no reason not to

That would be extremely out of character for her to do. She's not just gonna pop it just because she starts out weaker and she's never demonstrated such. It's a life shortening technique that she spent years building up and popped during a war for the world. That's not equivalent to a 1v1 match against an unknown opponent. If she pops it's gonna be later into the fight and not right out the gate

She doesn't need a massive ap advantage to break the hammer she only needs relative AP and a massive LS advantage which she has

As far as the profiles go erza doesn't reach class T until her last key. Her weapons last I checked get stronger as the series progresses as well so why would that hammer scale to the hammer here?

Relative AP isn't breaking it either. She can block attacks from peers like Cobra and one shot him with it. She scales above the 10.8 value by a decent margin. Her armors get stronger and that would make those weapons stronger. The Holy Hammer isn't tied to a specific armor set tho

This is an extremely close range blind, the light isn't even shown to cover the guy in the scan, what stops Sakura from not just continuing to punch her while she's blinded or even worse, crushing the armour with physicals

Nah her light was extremely bright here. She's not just gonna keep fighting like nothing without feats or showings of such

So you ARE arguing for a class M being able to use LS stuff on a class T...

How does erza use the weight of her opponents attacks when in LS her opponent is tens of thousands of times stronger than her?

No one has actually justified Sakura's values. Not her being 15 gigatons or her being class T, so unless you can answer that, this is not a factor in the match in favor of Sakura

No! I'm not saying that erza with stuff that's indexed as scaling to class M would be able to crush Sakura who is class T with higher AP, I'm just saying that erza would use the weight of her armour, which is indexed as scaling to class M to crush a class T with higher AP" - literally you

If you take using someone else's power against them as that same person crushing them, then sure, but that's clearly not my claim

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Both of these are untrue. The statement is directly contradicted by the following scene where Chiyo has to pull Sakura out of the way of Needle Sphere, an unfocused AOE attack, that she still gets hit by and Chiyo protects her from the hundred puppets as well

Once again, no it isn't as nobody was arguing that she was just walking into it already having known how to dodge danmaku, what's being said is that she adapted to it as the fight progressed and that by the end of the fight she can dodge this stuff on her own

At this point ur fighting ghosts

If you genuinely think every shot of hers is missing Erza then idk, get your eyes checked. Unlike Sasori's mass AOE, Evergreen is aiming her Leprachaun directly at Erza while Erza runs towards Evergreen as seen here

And once again most of that s*** completely missed her, she didn't need to dodge or do anything until she was at point blank range and all she did was deflect like 4 of them

Directly shown unable to counter this right after this. She tries to read the movements of his fingers to get around the puppets, but needle sphere and the hundred puppets shows how that ends up working out for her

Again that's not end of fight sakura

If you wanna show an anti fear for sakura not scaling to sasori lvl danmaku then show us a feat using Sakura after the fight please

That would be extremely out of character for her to do. She's not just gonna pop it just because she starts out weaker and she's never demonstrated such.

Madara and kaguya:

It's a life shortening technique that she spent years building up and popped during a war for the world. That's not equivalent to a 1v1 match against an unknown opponent. If she pops it's gonna be later into the fight and not right out the gate

SBA assumes both characters are fighting to win with losing resulting in dire consequences, sakura is not gonna treat this as some random spacing match she'll treat this as war.

And again nobody is saying she'll immediately start with it what I am sayinr is that she'll fight for a bit, realize she's weaker and use it if she's struggling

Relative AP isn't breaking it either.

You uhh you left out the "far higher LS" chat

She can block attacks from peers like Cobra and one shot him with it. She scales above the 10.8 value by a decent margin. Her armors get stronger and that would make those weapons stronger.

Cool, she's at best above her in AP by a decent margin according to wiki rules, they are still reletive

The Holy Hammer isn't tied to a specific armor set tho

Dosent matter, she breaks the hammer anyway

Nah her light was extremely bright here. She's not just gonna keep fighting like nothing without feats or showings of such

Once again the light is extremely short ranged so it would be pretty easy to substitute out of it

Also the light doesn't prevent her from moving so I fail to see why she wouldn't just continue punching her with her eyes closed as she has her locked down with class T physicals

No one has actually justified Sakura's values. Not her being 15 gigatons or her being class T, so unless you can answer that, this is not a factor in the match in favor of Sakura

Now Idk about 15 gigatons but Ik at least with naruto people actually make crts so it's prob accepted somewhere

As far as class T goes that stuff comes from her being listed as comparable to tsunade who scales to this

If you take using someone else's power against them as that same person crushing them, then sure, but that's clearly not my claim

Your arguing that erza would use weight to crush sakura...you directly mentioned that she would use the weight of her attacks via one of her armours to tear her limbs off of some s*** your the one arguing for it not me

If you mean to say that the method of "using the weight of sakuras attacks against her" doesn't rely on LS then please show the method in explicit detail

 

[Excellence616]

Erza fra

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I’m literally stating the narrative implication on how Sakura should be able to do something as basic as shunshin at BoS when needed, which is what y’all are trying to dismiss because apparently she has never started 100 meters away from her opponents.
You should give a valid reason on why she won’t be able to do such, or this isn’t worth being discussed.

If you agree that she can jump that fast, then you indirectly agree that she can concentrate chakra at her feet to amplify her speed (which is exactly what happened there) aka shunshin.

I agree. If Sakura can focus chakra in her fists to amplify her strength, it’s only logical that she can apply the same chakra control to her legs and feet to enhance her speed. The principle of chakra manipulation remains the same; it’s simply applied to movement rather than offense. It wouldn’t make sense for one of the three main characters trained by the Legendary Sannin to lack the ability to perform something as basic as Shunshin.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I agree. If Sakura can focus chakra in her fists to amplify her strength, it’s only logical that she can apply the same chakra control to her legs and feet to enhance her speed. The principle of chakra manipulation remains the same; it’s simply applied to movement rather than offense. It wouldn’t make sense for one of the three main characters trained by the Legendary Sannin to lack the ability to perform something as basic as Shunshin.

Admittedly for some reason her and tsunade don't typically use it often but they do know how to use it. When push comes to shove sakura would definitely whip it out. Her byakuyo and empowerment are also huge speed buffs

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Admittedly for some reason her and tsunade don't typically use it often but they do know how to use it. When push comes to shove sakura would definitely whip it out. Her byakuyo and empowerment are also huge speed buffs

Exactly

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Exactly

quick question, who are you votting for?

 

[DavidTPPM]

The "can she will she use shunshin" argument is so dumb lmao. We see even bums like BoS Hinata run across the wholeass 30+ kilometer diameter of the village in seconds but somehow WA Sakura isn't using it?

Sure bro and I'm a fairy

 

[Arkenis]

We see even bums like BoS Hinata run across the wholeass 30+ kilometer diameter of the village in seconds but somehow WA Sakura isn't using it?

What chapter was that?

 

[DavidTPPM]

What chapter was that?

437.
Pain goes to stab Naruto -> we see Hina at the edge of the village -> by the time pain is done Hinata appears behind him.

One could even argue she didn't even start until page 7 since we see nobody is standing anywhere behind Pain, and Hinata appears in page 8.

 

[Arkenis]

437.
Pain goes to stab Naruto -> we see Hina at the edge of the village -> by the time pain is done Hinata appears behind him.

One could even argue she didn't even start until page 7 since we see nobody is standing anywhere behind Pain, and Hinata appears in page 8.

Oh I thought you meant part 1 Hinata since you said BoS. But idk why this shunshin argument became so big, genuinely just a misunderstanding of if she uses it in combat vs just for traveling.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Oh I thought you meant part 1 Hinata since you said BoS. But idk why this shunshin argument became so big, genuinely just a misunderstanding of if she uses it in combat vs just for traveling.

because the argument was that she would use it to close distance which is traveling

erza makes distance with her armour? she uses it to prevent her from getting out of range

there's 100m? she uses it to close the gap

 

[Shadowslash125]

Oh I thought you meant part 1 Hinata since you said BoS. But idk why this shunshin argument became so big, genuinely just a misunderstanding of if she uses it in combat vs just for traveling.

It's because people considered it the hail mary for Sakura to beat Erza. Which is weird since it's just travel speed.

 

[Arkenis]

because the argument was that she would use it to close distance which is traveling

erza makes distance with her armour? she uses it to prevent her from getting out of range

there's 100m? she uses it to close the gap

But people were arguing she'd use it as a speed amp. Just using it for travel is different no? And I don't get why it's such a needed discussion, she can just jump that distance without a speed amp.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

But people were arguing she'd use it as a speed amp. Just using it for travel is different no? And I don't get why it's such a needed discussion, she can just jump that distance without a speed amp.

No, people were arguing that she would use it to prevent erza from getting out of range once people brought up erza flying up into the air after realizing sakura is close ranged and spaming danmaku

 

[Shadowslash125]

Hence, the weirdness.

 

[Shadowslash125]

No, people were arguing that she would use it to prevent erza from getting out of range once people brought up erza flying up into the air after realizing sakura is close ranged and spaming danmaku

I don't see how travel speed would actually allow Sakura to gap close Erza who is in the air tbh

 

[Greatsage13th]

I don't see how travel speed would actually allow Sakura to gap close Erza who is in the air tbh

she can jump high can't she? just not air-steps.