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Erza Scarlet vs Sakura Haruno (10-6-0) GRACE

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Rules:
  • X791 (Key of the Starry Sky) Erza
  • 4th Great Ninja War Sakura, 6-C
  • Speed equalized
  • In-character
  • Fight takes place in Konoha
  • Starting distance of 100 meters


Mage: 10 (Zackra1799, DailyFairy, MintyBoi1, LoudestProcedure, Mommyleona, Kazuma_kuwabara, Greatsage13th, Excellence616, Robo432343, ShadowSlash125)
Shinobi: 6 (Mickey1940, SirFrancisOfTheFilth2, AlternativePrinciple, Delusionaltx2, Trihexa102, Nierre)
Zoro, who I would have rather put against Erza but people won’t get off One Piece’s ass (Inconclusive): 0
 
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Erza's AP: 10.8 Gigatons, higher (likely double) with her strongest armors, so 21.6 Gigatons
Sakura's AP: 4.3 Gigatons, 15.5 Gigatons with Byakugō

Erza's Advantages: Numerous elemental powers, numerous weapons, numerous stat amps due to Flight Armor, Strongest Armors, Sword Danmaku, numerous resistances, Holy Hammer cancels Byakugo Regeneration maybe
Sakura's Advantages: Better skill and battle experience, Analytical Prediction, poison, Substitution Jutsu, Passive Low-Mid

pretty sure Sakura stomps here

AP wise, Erza does have an advantage, meaning Sakura just uses Byakugo off rip, and then unless Erza swaps between her strongest weapons and armors, she's going to get overwhelmed. Erza's strongest offensive armors do not have the defensive capabilities of her strongest defensive armors, and vice versa, meaning unless she uses her strongest weapons with her Adamantine armor (which she can't do, her hands are full with the big shields), she's either gonna be too weak or too squishy to really deal with Sakura, who maintains the 15.5 Gigaton stats throughout, ON TOP of the fact that she's constantly regenerating from everything

What Erza could do is try to use the Clear Heart Clothing Katana + Flight Armor to blitz Sakura and try to kill her that way, but it still can't deal with the regeneration, and this would never be in character for Erza to do. She's definitely swapped around different sets, but she's never done so with her strongest armors, and I don't think Flight Armor is enough of a blitz to matter, since if it was Erza would definitely use it more often in her fights (we basically never see it used past the Grand Magic Games)

Then again, the Holy Hammer makes Byakugo Regeneration completely useless cuz it apparently nullifies Biological Manipulation (which is what the regeneration uses), but this even more out of character as Byakugo probably wouldn't be perceived as "evil" (as the hammer is meant to "keep evil at bay" and was specifically used against the effect of the Infinity Clock) and Erza would have no idea she would need to use it against her. Not to mention, again, we've never seen her use it ever again despite the fact that she fights Demons from Tartaros and the Spriggans, which are certainly more demonic and evil looking than a pink hair girl wearing a weird vest

Sakura should beat Erza up close as Erza doesn't have any formal training while Sakura went to literal school and got training from the best of the best in her "industry" (Tsunade), not to mention the Analytical prediction, so Sakura can basically just go to town and Erza's options would be extremely limited. She'd need to spam range in order to keep up, which Sakura can literally just facetank due to resistance to pain + Low Mid regeneration, not to mention even if she CAN'T facetank, Substitution Jutsu will definitely catch Erza off guard more often than not as Erza has literally no counterplay for that. Sakura's own projectiles are also all laced with Poison most of the time, and for some reason Erza has no resistance to that on her profile, so one scratch would be enough to cripple Erza a LOT, and Supernatural Willpower wouldn't help here due to Sakura's aforementioned resistance to pain and regeneration.

Worst comes to worst Sakura can also summon Katsuyu and now she not only has way more chakra reserves and even MORE external healing, but Katsu also just melts all of Erza's armors cuz of Acid, which Erza again has no resistance to, not to mention Katsuyu itself being incredibly hard to kill due to duplication and regeneration. Not to mention, Katsuyu herself mentioned that her power is directly reliant on her Summoner, so if Sakura uses Byakugo and if we accept that Katsuyu scales to said Byakugo Sakura instead of Base Sakura, then Erza needs to deal with TWO 15.5 Gigaton combatants, which she honestly can't do

TLDR, voting Sakura
 
it's too bad fairy tail is effectively dead on the wiki
you could've had an actual debate here
 
it's too bad fairy tail is effectively dead on the wiki
you could've had an actual debate here
You're telling me, can't even get a simple scaling crt passed in over 2 months, cause no staff even wants to touch the verse anymore

Anyways

Ap at max is probably comparable, with an advantage going to Erza since her strongest armors can one-shot the 10.8 Gigaton value characters, her normal armors scale too.

Flight armor is a blitz level amp, capable of keeping pace with racer with his time slow active as well as her flight with various armors giving Erza a significant mobility advantage.

Erza in this key, spams the holy hammer, so she would likely pull it out rather quickly, said hammer can onetshot Cobra who scales to the 10.8 value as said before, as far as the regen negation, if 100 Healings does do it via bio manip then one touch from the hammer would completely shut it off, as shown when Erza negated the effects of real nightmare on all of her guildmates for the rest of the arc. While it is primarily used to combat evil, it's not like it only provides resistance to evil sources. Lucy's magic was powering the infinity clock, and she's not at all evil. I don't see why it wouldn't be effective here.
Sakura should beat Erza up close as Erza doesn't have any formal training while Sakura went to literal school and got training from the best of the best in her "industry" (Tsunade), not to mention the Analytical prediction, so Sakura can basically just go to town and Erza's options would be extremely limited. She'd need to spam range in order to keep up, which Sakura can literally just facetank due to resistance to pain + Low Mid regeneration, not to mention even if she CAN'T facetank, Substitution Jutsu will definitely catch Erza off guard more often than not as Erza has literally no counterplay for that. Sakura's own projectiles are also all laced with Poison most of the time, and for some reason Erza has no resistance to that on her profile, so one scratch would be enough to cripple Erza a LOT, and Supernatural Willpower wouldn't help here due to Sakura's aforementioned resistance to pain and regeneration.

Worst comes to worst Sakura can also summon Katsuyu and now she not only has way more chakra reserves and even MORE external healing, but Katsu also just melts all of Erza's armors cuz of Acid, which Erza again has no resistance to, not to mention Katsuyu itself being incredibly hard to kill due to duplication and regeneration. Not to mention, Katsuyu herself mentioned that her power is directly reliant on her Summoner, so if Sakura uses Byakugo and if we accept that Katsuyu scales to said Byakugo Sakura instead of Base Sakura, then Erza needs to deal with TWO 15.5 Gigaton combatants, which she honestly can't do

Formal training is by far the worst measurement of skill; someone can have all the formal training imaginable and still be horrible at what they do. Erza has far more in her bag than Sakura does. Sakura's analytical prediction is nothing new to Erza, she has easily dealt with both pre-timeskip Natsu, who has similar analytical prediction feats to Sakura, and, in this key, kept up with and beat Cobra, who has literal mind-reading, and she didn't even need to pull out her strongest armors until the end of the fight or her flight armor. This same Erza can also keep up with a serious Kagura who can blitz her flight armor casually with sword skill alone.

She should have resistance to poison, disease, paralysis and corrosion inducement thanks to the hammer as it negates cobra's poison dragonslayer magic, but the verse can't even get a basic crt evaluated by staff now days so...

also a large number of enemies even if Katsuyu splits Erza can deal with 100 enemies who are comparable to her such as during the Grand magic games, she also can mix and match armor and weapons as shown in that fight as well
 
Flight armor is a blitz level amp, capable of keeping pace with racer with his time slow active as well as her flight with various armors giving Erza a significant mobility advantage.
that's true, but she doesn't have the AP to stand up to or significantly harm Sakura with just the flight armor
Erza in this key, spams the holy hammer, so she would likely pull it out rather quickly, said hammer can onetshot Cobra who scales to the 10.8 value as said before, as far as the regen negation, if 100 Healings does do it via bio manip then one touch from the hammer would completely shut it off, as shown when Erza negated the effects of real nightmare on all of her guildmates for the rest of the arc. While it is primarily used to combat evil, it's not like it only provides resistance to evil sources. Lucy's magic was powering the infinity clock, and she's not at all evil. I don't see why it wouldn't be effective here.
There's no reason to use the Holy Hammer specifically since Sakura has zero connection to the Infinity Clock. Erza used it in this arc cuz the hammer was literally built to counter the effects of the clock, so using it against Sakura doesn't make much sense. Again, she's never used it again after this arc despite numerous demonic entities (Tartaros) appearing in the series later on, so why would she use it now? It would be incredibly out of character for her here
Formal training is by far the worst measurement of skill; someone can have all the formal training imaginable and still be horrible at what they do. Erza has far more in her bag than Sakura does. Sakura's analytical prediction is nothing new to Erza, she has easily dealt with both pre-timeskip Natsu, who has similar analytical prediction feats to Sakura, and, in this key, kept up with and beat Cobra, who has literal mind-reading, and she didn't even need to pull out her strongest armors until the end of the fight or her flight armor. This same Erza can also keep up with a serious Kagura who can blitz her flight armor casually with sword skill alone.
1. Erza has consistently been glazed as stronger than Natsu in almost every point in the series before x784 and before the Grand Magic Games of x792, to the point that Natsu getting beat up by Erza is seen as comic relief. I'm pretty sure this is less skill than she's just stronger (although I admit she should scale somewhat to Natsu, you're not wrong there)
2. Cobra was clobbered after Erza exploited an opening, as Cobra heard Cubelios in that exact moment, and proceeded to 1 shot him. It wasn't much of a fight
3. This key of Erza never fought Kagura
She should have resistance to poison, disease, paralysis and corrosion inducement thanks to the hammer as it negates cobra's poison dragonslayer magic, but the verse can't even get a basic crt evaluated by staff now days so...
all of which Erza has literally no reason to use as nothing that Sakura has can be traced to the Infinity Clock and wouldn't be considered "evil". Again, Erza used the hammer in an extremely specific circumstance
also a large number of enemies even if Katsuyu splits Erza can deal with 100 enemies who are comparable to her such as during the Grand magic games, she also can mix and match armor and weapons as shown in that fight as well
1. Erza was fighting fodder enemies for the most part during the Grand Magic Games. There were a few big problems but saying that all 100 were on her level is just blatantly incorrect
2. This version of Erza never participated in the Grand Magic Games
3. Erza needs to use her most durable armor (adamantine) with her strongest weapons specifically in order to fully overpower Sakura, otherwise she's lacking in either power or dura to fully keep up
4. Katsuyu doesn't need to split, but it's still an advantage nonetheless,

The best case scenario would have to be Erza wearing Flight Armor using the Holy Hammer specifically, as despite the lack of raw stats, she can outspeed and cancel out Sakura's healing. The issue with this is not only can Sakura just... take the hits (they're a good bit weaker than her in general, the Holy Hammer isn't considered Erza's strongest weapon at all), but again, this wouldn't be in character for her at all, and Erza wouldn't be able to figure out that the Holy Hammer just so happens to cancel out Sakura's specific type of healing, as Sakura would have zero reason to tell her how her abilities work.

On top of ALL of this, Erza has NEVER used the flight armor after x793 despite the fact that it would be basically her best one if she combined it with any of her other weapons. Heck, she never uses it against anyone other than other speedsters, like Racer and Silfairon Erza Knightwalker.

Before Erza realizes the exact combination of weapons and armors to beat Sakura, it's too late since Sakura has already beaten her to a pulp, or she pins Erza down with her Class T lifting strength and just punches her until she dies
 
that's true, but she doesn't have the AP to stand up to or significantly harm Sakura with just the flight armor
This isn't even an issue. Erza is a master of her Knight magic, able to hot swap her various armors with a thought and mix and match her weapons and armor, as stated before. She could easily rush down sakura with her flight armor and swap to one of her stronger armors quickly if she needed to, or use it to make distance for ranged sword spam
There's no reason to use the Holy Hammer specifically since Sakura has zero connection to the Infinity Clock. Erza used it in this arc cuz the hammer was literally built to counter the effects of the clock, so using it against Sakura doesn't make much sense. Again, she's never used it again after this arc despite numerous demonic entities (Tartaros) appearing in the series later on, so why would she use it now? It would be incredibly out of character for her here
She uses it in the Grand Magic Games vs the 100 monsters and pulls it out on occasion. There was a scene in 100 yq when she chased Natsu around with it iirc. She's not a hammer user, she's a blademaster. Of course, she's going to prefer blades over blunt weapons, she also doesn't need to have the hammer out to gain its benefits, so it's far better for her not to use it and use her other weapons, since she would have more benefits with another weapon equiped
1. Erza has consistently been glazed as stronger than Natsu in almost every point in the series before x784 and before the Grand Magic Games of x792, to the point that Natsu getting beat up by Erza is seen as comic relief. I'm pretty sure this is less skill than she's just stronger (although I admit she should scale somewhat to Natsu, you're not wrong there)
2. Cobra was clobbered after Erza exploited an opening, as Cobra heard Cubelios in that exact moment, and proceeded to 1 shot him. It wasn't much of a fight
3. This key of Erza never fought Kagura
Except Erza herself who sees Natsu as someone who can easily surpass her several times, Natsu's enhanced senses give him an innate increase to his Battle awareness, yet it hasn't helped him once in early FT against Erza

Cobra has already been shown to hear thoughts omnidirectionally, and even multiple thoughts at once, and even while hidden, she was also avoiding and blocking his attacks the entire fight before this so, she can fight against mind reading opponents just fine.

This Erza is of the same skill level as actual days pass between this arc and the fight with Kagura, in which the only boosts she got was to her magic capacity, they scale in skill to their GMGs ' counterparts
all of which Erza has literally no reason to use as nothing that Sakura has can be traced to the Infinity Clock and wouldn't be considered "evil". Again, Erza used the hammer in an extremely specific circumstance
Mentioned above
1. Erza was fighting fodder enemies for the most part during the Grand Magic Games. There were a few big problems but saying that all 100 were on her level is just blatantly incorrect
2. This version of Erza never participated in the Grand Magic Games
3. Erza needs to use her most durable armor (adamantine) with her strongest weapons specifically in order to fully overpower Sakura, otherwise she's lacking in either power or dura to fully keep up
4. Katsuyu doesn't need to split, but it's still an advantage nonetheless,
They were stated to be powerful enemies that could have posed a threat to Erza is she wasn't careful, they do scale to around her level, maybe not fully, but they could damage her if they were able to get hits in.
The best case scenario would have to be Erza wearing Flight Armor using the Holy Hammer specifically, as despite the lack of raw stats, she can outspeed and cancel out Sakura's healing. The issue with this is not only can Sakura just... take the hits (they're a good bit weaker than her in general, the Holy Hammer isn't considered Erza's strongest weapon at all), but again, this wouldn't be in character for her at all, and Erza wouldn't be able to figure out that the Holy Hammer just so happens to cancel out Sakura's specific type of healing, as Sakura would have zero reason to tell her how her abilities work.
In this key the holy hammer is one of her strongest, if not her strongest, weapon at the time. it's also an anime-only weapon; while the arc is canon, it just isn't used that much in the series because of it. Erza is a master at deducing how her enemies' powers work, as sh literally did this against Midnight and Cobra. She figured out how Midnight's reflector magic works after seeing it once, and immediately used her sound-resistant armor against Cobra's sound-based magic attacks, her fighting style would very much allow her to figure out that the hammer would counter the regen here.
On top of ALL of this, Erza has NEVER used the flight armor after x793 despite the fact that it would be basically her best one if she combined it with any of her other weapons. Heck, she never uses it against anyone other than other speedsters, like Racer and Silfairon Erza Knightwalker.
X793 characters can skill diff blitz level amps casually so speed boost in those arc in 100yq are actually not relevant at all.
Before Erza realizes the exact combination of weapons and armors to beat Sakura, it's too late since Sakura has already beaten her to a pulp, or she pins Erza down with her Class T lifting strength and just punches her until she dies
Erza would just spawn weapons and shields to block attacks with her thoughts. As soon as she gets restrained by someone, such as against Midnight and Misaki she just spawns dozens of swords or defenses that she metally controls to either home in on them, or block attacks.
 
This isn't even an issue. Erza is a master of her Knight magic, able to hot swap her various armors with a thought and mix and match her weapons and armor, as stated before. She could easily rush down sakura with her flight armor and swap to one of her stronger armors quickly if she needed to, or use it to make distance for ranged sword spam
the issue with this is that literally nothing in Erza's arsenal matters in any capacity unless she uses the Hammer specifically, as Sakura can just regenerate from everything, and if all else fails, Katsuyu can heal her as well
She uses it in the Grand Magic Games vs the 100 monsters and pulls it out on occasion. There was a scene in 100 yq when she chased Natsu around with it iirc. She's not a hammer user, she's a blademaster. Of course, she's going to prefer blades over blunt weapons, she also doesn't need to have the hammer out to gain its benefits, so it's far better for her not to use it and use her other weapons, since she would have more benefits with another weapon equiped
she uses it to block an attack cuz at the time, both her Adamantium Armor shields were broken. She literally never used it to attack anyone a single time

Chasing Natsu with a giant hammer is pretty obviously a gag scene. It's never shown up in any other fight after that specific arc

The Hammer's effects also don't work if she's not using it. It's not like she can store the hammer in her Requip pocket dimension and still negate Sakura's healing, she needs to be actively swinging the damn thing and actually make contact with Sakura. The hammer doesn't have an aura of negation, it needs to make physical contact, meaning in order for Erza to negate the passive healing in the first place, the hammer needs to be in constant contact with Sakura at all times, something that she can't really do unless she literally pins Sakura down with it, which doesn't work cuz Sakura's LS is WAY higher
Except Erza herself who sees Natsu as someone who can easily surpass her several times, Natsu's enhanced senses give him an innate increase to his Battle awareness, yet it hasn't helped him once in early FT against Erza

Cobra has already been shown to hear thoughts omnidirectionally, and even multiple thoughts at once, and even while hidden, she was also avoiding and blocking his attacks the entire fight before this so, she can fight against mind reading opponents just fine.

This Erza is of the same skill level as actual days pass between this arc and the fight with Kagura, in which the only boosts she got was to her magic capacity, they scale in skill to their GMGs ' counterparts
1, Cuz all of Natsu's fights against Erza were not only gag scenes, except in early FT, Natsu was never shown or stated to be superior to Erza in any capacity. Her status is superior (S class mage vs non-S class mage), her feats are better (stomps Natsu and Gray at the same time and usually 1 shots them as gags, performed better against most of the main antagonists up until this point compared to Base Natsu), and she has armor that directly counters Natsu (Flame Empress). Her skill is still impressive, but comparing it directly to Natsu when she has multiple advantages over him most of the time might not be as accurate as you think
2. fair enough, can't argue with that
3. Erza and the rest of the team went through insane training in those few days and also got their Second Origins unlocked. She definitely wasn't lazing around, and she should have definitely gotten at least a bit more skilled afterwards
Mentioned above
Again, using it against giant monsters and not even hitting them with it makes this point doubtful

Using it against Cobra when he was empowered + protecting the Infinity Clock, a weapon that the hammer is intended to directly counter, as well as the fact that Cobra is a poison dragon slayer and can easily be seen as more "evil" than a pink haired little girl wearing an oversized vest, again makes this point doubtful. It's definitely nowhere near her first option, and she has no triggers to allow her to view it as anything more as an "oh shit literally all of my swords are broken let me use the only thing I have left" panic button, and at that point Sakura would have already won
They were stated to be powerful enemies that could have posed a threat to Erza is she wasn't careful, they do scale to around her level, maybe not fully, but they could damage her if they were able to get hits in.
that is definitely true but even then she wasn't really taking damage unless the smaller ones combined their attacks, or the bigger ones caught her off guard She was taking dozens of hits throughout the fight and for the most part she was fine and had a lot of stamina to spare. Katsuyu should have much higher scaling compared to the monsters in the 100 Monsters Challenge due to the fact that Sakura (and thereby Katsuyu) isn't much weaker than Erza herself, and is actually stronger than erza assuming she doesn't use her strongest armor/weapons, so a ton of smaller slugs dousing Erza with acid strong enough to melt rock and steel and (maybe) headbutting her will prob do a lot more than the 100 monsters. Heck, Katsuyu doesn't even need to split, she just stays massive and sprays Erza with an even bigger wave of acid that she doesn't resist
X793 characters can skill diff blitz level amps casually so speed boost in those arc in 100yq are actually not relevant at all.
I don't recall any enemy in x793 being able to skill diff blitz level amps. Can you elaborate more on this?
Erza would just spawn weapons and shields to block attacks with her thoughts. As soon as she gets restrained by someone, such as against Midnight and Misaki she just spawns dozens of swords or defenses that she metally controls to either home in on them, or block attacks.
Erza can't do this without Heaven's Wheel or Ataraxia armor, the former of which isn't particularly effective against someone who can regenerate as fast as Sakura can, and the latter she doesn't have in this key

She also has never shown to be able to telekinetically use other weapons from her other armor sets with Heaven's Wheel. It's not Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon, she just has over 200 swords from that Heaven's Wheel set. Although it's probably possible she can still use other weapons during this state, it's not in character






I do want to mention a couple of things on top of all of this:

1. The Holy Hammer negating Sakura's regeneration isn't an instant wincon. Their AP is still relatively comparable, their skill is arguably comparable (admittedly leaning towards Erza but Sakura is still no slouch), and the Holy Hammer doesn't just shut down Sakura's healing permanently. It only negates certain effects on contact, meaning Sakura can just turn it back on.
2, Katsuyu can just melt the hammer and now Erza's only wincon is gone. Erza's only instance of using the hammer after the Key of the Starry Skies arc is as a shield after her Adamantine Armor breaks, not for offense, and if that's the case, if Katsuyu sprays her with acid, all of her weapons are just gonna get corroded, with the Hammer not being an exception since it doesn't resist acid or corrosion inducement or deconstruction or anything of the sort.

Erza's only wincon is with the hammer and it's out of character
Sakura has multiple wincons (which mostly boil down to just beating the shit out of Erza after a while) and she also has an in-character response (Katsuyu) to Erza's out-of-character wincon, meaning Erza loses the war of attrition
 
pretty sure it's accepted as canon to the manga I don't remember why or which thread accepted it though
 
Erza's AP: 10.8 Gigatons, higher (likely double) with her strongest armors, so 21.6 Gigatons
Sakura's AP: 4.3 Gigatons, 15.5 Gigatons with Byakugō

Erza's Advantages: Numerous elemental powers, numerous weapons, numerous stat amps due to Flight Armor, Strongest Armors, Sword Danmaku, numerous resistances, Holy Hammer cancels Byakugo Regeneration maybe
Sakura's Advantages: Better skill and battle experience, Analytical Prediction, poison, Substitution Jutsu, Passive Low-Mid

pretty sure Sakura stomps here

AP wise, Erza does have an advantage, meaning Sakura just uses Byakugo off rip, and then unless Erza swaps between her strongest weapons and armors, she's going to get overwhelmed. Erza's strongest offensive armors do not have the defensive capabilities of her strongest defensive armors, and vice versa, meaning unless she uses her strongest weapons with her Adamantine armor (which she can't do, her hands are full with the big shields), she's either gonna be too weak or too squishy to really deal with Sakura, who maintains the 15.5 Gigaton stats throughout, ON TOP of the fact that she's constantly regenerating from everything

What Erza could do is try to use the Clear Heart Clothing Katana + Flight Armor to blitz Sakura and try to kill her that way, but it still can't deal with the regeneration, and this would never be in character for Erza to do. She's definitely swapped around different sets, but she's never done so with her strongest armors, and I don't think Flight Armor is enough of a blitz to matter, since if it was Erza would definitely use it more often in her fights (we basically never see it used past the Grand Magic Games)

Then again, the Holy Hammer makes Byakugo Regeneration completely useless cuz it apparently nullifies Biological Manipulation (which is what the regeneration uses), but this even more out of character as Byakugo probably wouldn't be perceived as "evil" (as the hammer is meant to "keep evil at bay" and was specifically used against the effect of the Infinity Clock) and Erza would have no idea she would need to use it against her. Not to mention, again, we've never seen her use it ever again despite the fact that she fights Demons from Tartaros and the Spriggans, which are certainly more demonic and evil looking than a pink hair girl wearing a weird vest

Sakura should beat Erza up close as Erza doesn't have any formal training while Sakura went to literal school and got training from the best of the best in her "industry" (Tsunade), not to mention the Analytical prediction, so Sakura can basically just go to town and Erza's options would be extremely limited. She'd need to spam range in order to keep up, which Sakura can literally just facetank due to resistance to pain + Low Mid regeneration, not to mention even if she CAN'T facetank, Substitution Jutsu will definitely catch Erza off guard more often than not as Erza has literally no counterplay for that. Sakura's own projectiles are also all laced with Poison most of the time, and for some reason Erza has no resistance to that on her profile, so one scratch would be enough to cripple Erza a LOT, and Supernatural Willpower wouldn't help here due to Sakura's aforementioned resistance to pain and regeneration.

Worst comes to worst Sakura can also summon Katsuyu and now she not only has way more chakra reserves and even MORE external healing, but Katsu also just melts all of Erza's armors cuz of Acid, which Erza again has no resistance to, not to mention Katsuyu itself being incredibly hard to kill due to duplication and regeneration. Not to mention, Katsuyu herself mentioned that her power is directly reliant on her Summoner, so if Sakura uses Byakugo and if we accept that Katsuyu scales to said Byakugo Sakura instead of Base Sakura, then Erza needs to deal with TWO 15.5 Gigaton combatants, which she honestly can't do

TLDR, voting Sakura
Sakura FRA
 
Pretty sure Erza is more skilled along with having better mobility/abilities. I’m voting for her FRA
 
for what reasons above???

better mobility = none of it matters cuz regeneration is funny
better arsenal = none of them matter cuz regeneration is funny
holy hammer = isn't in character, requires constant contact, can be melted by acid, and better LS means Sakura can rip it out of Erza's hands and yeet it away

Erza has zero win conditions beyond specifically Flight Armor + Holy Hammer and not only is that never in character but Sakura has numerous in character ways to stop all of it

did anyone here bother to read anything anyone said in this thread
 
for what reasons above???

better mobility = none of it matters cuz regeneration is funny
better arsenal = none of them matter cuz regeneration is funny
holy hammer = isn't in character, requires constant contact, can be melted by acid, and better LS means Sakura can rip it out of Erza's hands and yeet it away

Erza has zero win conditions beyond specifically Flight Armor + Holy Hammer and not only is that never in character but Sakura has numerous in character ways to stop all of it

did anyone here bother to read anything anyone said in this thread
Following but this looks like an FRA train ngl
 
the issue with this is that literally nothing in Erza's arsenal matters in any capacity unless she uses the Hammer specifically, as Sakura can just regenerate from everything, and if all else fails, Katsuyu can heal her as well

she uses it to block an attack cuz at the time, both her Adamantium Armor shields were broken. She literally never used it to attack anyone a single time

Chasing Natsu with a giant hammer is pretty obviously a gag scene. It's never shown up in any other fight after that specific arc

The Hammer's effects also don't work if she's not using it. It's not like she can store the hammer in her Requip pocket dimension and still negate Sakura's healing, she needs to be actively swinging the damn thing and actually make contact with Sakura. The hammer doesn't have an aura of negation, it needs to make physical contact, meaning in order for Erza to negate the passive healing in the first place, the hammer needs to be in constant contact with Sakura at all times, something that she can't really do unless she literally pins Sakura down with it, which doesn't work cuz Sakura's LS is WAY higher

1, Cuz all of Natsu's fights against Erza were not only gag scenes, except in early FT, Natsu was never shown or stated to be superior to Erza in any capacity. Her status is superior (S class mage vs non-S class mage), her feats are better (stomps Natsu and Gray at the same time and usually 1 shots them as gags, performed better against most of the main antagonists up until this point compared to Base Natsu), and she has armor that directly counters Natsu (Flame Empress). Her skill is still impressive, but comparing it directly to Natsu when she has multiple advantages over him most of the time might not be as accurate as you think
2. fair enough, can't argue with that
3. Erza and the rest of the team went through insane training in those few days and also got their Second Origins unlocked. She definitely wasn't lazing around, and she should have definitely gotten at least a bit more skilled afterwards

Again, using it against giant monsters and not even hitting them with it makes this point doubtful

Using it against Cobra when he was empowered + protecting the Infinity Clock, a weapon that the hammer is intended to directly counter, as well as the fact that Cobra is a poison dragon slayer and can easily be seen as more "evil" than a pink haired little girl wearing an oversized vest, again makes this point doubtful. It's definitely nowhere near her first option, and she has no triggers to allow her to view it as anything more as an "oh shit literally all of my swords are broken let me use the only thing I have left" panic button, and at that point Sakura would have already won

that is definitely true but even then she wasn't really taking damage unless the smaller ones combined their attacks, or the bigger ones caught her off guard She was taking dozens of hits throughout the fight and for the most part she was fine and had a lot of stamina to spare. Katsuyu should have much higher scaling compared to the monsters in the 100 Monsters Challenge due to the fact that Sakura (and thereby Katsuyu) isn't much weaker than Erza herself, and is actually stronger than erza assuming she doesn't use her strongest armor/weapons, so a ton of smaller slugs dousing Erza with acid strong enough to melt rock and steel and (maybe) headbutting her will prob do a lot more than the 100 monsters. Heck, Katsuyu doesn't even need to split, she just stays massive and sprays Erza with an even bigger wave of acid that she doesn't resist

I don't recall any enemy in x793 being able to skill diff blitz level amps. Can you elaborate more on this?

Erza can't do this without Heaven's Wheel or Ataraxia armor, the former of which isn't particularly effective against someone who can regenerate as fast as Sakura can, and the latter she doesn't have in this key

She also has never shown to be able to telekinetically use other weapons from her other armor sets with Heaven's Wheel. It's not Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon, she just has over 200 swords from that Heaven's Wheel set. Although it's probably possible she can still use other weapons during this state, it's not in character






I do want to mention a couple of things on top of all of this:

1. The Holy Hammer negating Sakura's regeneration isn't an instant wincon. Their AP is still relatively comparable, their skill is arguably comparable (admittedly leaning towards Erza but Sakura is still no slouch), and the Holy Hammer doesn't just shut down Sakura's healing permanently. It only negates certain effects on contact, meaning Sakura can just turn it back on.
2, Katsuyu can just melt the hammer and now Erza's only wincon is gone. Erza's only instance of using the hammer after the Key of the Starry Skies arc is as a shield after her Adamantine Armor breaks, not for offense, and if that's the case, if Katsuyu sprays her with acid, all of her weapons are just gonna get corroded, with the Hammer not being an exception since it doesn't resist acid or corrosion inducement or deconstruction or anything of the sort.

Erza's only wincon is with the hammer and it's out of character
Sakura has multiple wincons (which mostly boil down to just beating the shit out of Erza after a while) and she also has an in-character response (Katsuyu) to Erza's out-of-character wincon, meaning Erza loses the war of attrition
Sakura FRA
 
better mobility = none of it matters cuz regeneration is funny
better arsenal = none of them matter cuz regeneration is funny
her regen is not unlimited, can take time if its serious injury, and hit slicing head is still an option
gets outskilled and erza has better ap before byakugo and better ap with strongest weapons + generally a sword would be more deadly than a punch
holy hammer = isn't in character,
yet apparently sakura spamming Substitution Jutsu is in character
 
her regen is not unlimited, can take time if its serious injury, and hit slicing head is still an option
A big part of part 2 sakuras fighting style relies on avoiding attacks...good luck trying to hit her when she's avoided sasoris BS
gets outskilled
more than made up for by class T (also idk if erza even outskills tbh but thats another convo)
and erza has better ap before byakugo
which dosen't matter to much because sakura would heal, realize she's stronger, and use byakugo
and better ap with strongest weapons + generally a sword would be more deadly than a punch
As brought up before using her strongest weapons requires sacrificing her durability and while I do agree a sword is more deadly than a punch in this context unless it hits the head or something sakura should be fine because funni regen
yet apparently sakura spamming Substitution Jutsu is in character
Uh yeah...her whole game plan revolves around not taking dmg dodging and substituting if need be would 100% be in character
 
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pretty sure it's accepted as canon to the manga I don't remember why or which thread accepted it though

yet apparently sakura spamming Substitution Jutsu is in character
Everyone from Naruto in vs battle is a subs jutsu+ shunshin spammer

And Sakura has cancer punch too, even when she never did anything like that

But do not worry, you get used to it, Erza FRA
 
her regen is not unlimited, can take time if its serious injury, and hit slicing head is still an option
gets outskilled and erza has better ap before byakugo and better ap with strongest weapons + generally a sword would be more deadly than a punch
Her regen lasts as long as her stamina does, and considering how she not only has superhuman stamina, but the seal also stores several years's worth of chakra, and suffice to say that it's not going to run out soon
even if it does, Katsuyu can provide the exact same healing
Outskilled how? Sakura has Genius intelligence while Erza only has Gifted, and in terms of feats she was vastly outclassed by the likes of Sasori and Kido in her respective keys and was able to use strategy to take them down. Sakura definitely isn't a slouch when it comes to skill, not to mention she just facetanks everything with regeneration.
Not to mention, Erza going for the head is not only out of character (she's literally never done this), but also the AP difference isn't vast enough to actually cleave through Sakura's body, especially since Sakura isn't dumb enough to stay in her base form after interacting with Erza a literal single time
yet apparently sakura spamming Substitution Jutsu is in character
I think I've mentioned Substitution Jutsu a grand total of 1 time in this entire thread, and I never claimed she would spam it. But regardless of that, It's far more likely for Sakura to use a basic ninja technique like Substitution Jutsu than Erza to use a specific anti-evil hammer specifically forged to specifically stop specifically the Infinity Clock specifically against a random ass pink haired teen wearing a big vest
 
Her regen lasts as long as her stamina does, and considering how she not only has superhuman stamina
Erza's stamina seems more impressive based on the profiles atleast
Not to mention, Erza going for the head is not only out of character
oh yeah, she'll see sakura taking her hits and healing from them easily and wont change anything in how she fights, wont try to use her stronger weapons/armors and wont attack the head, sure makes sense
but also the AP difference isn't vast enough to actually cleave through
it should be enough to cut her head
especially since Sakura isn't dumb enough to stay in her base form after interacting with Erza a literal single time
yet Erza is dumb enough to keep hitting Sakura despite it not working, and not aiming for her head/using her stronger moves?
Erza has no wincon
why do you keep saying that lol
 
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