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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Okay seriously though lets let this sit for other staff to give their opinions on, all of the relevant stuff has been said up to this point and I don't think going further can really amount to much other than cluttering the report further
 
Grath was in fact not right here btw fyi as there were no wrongs in saying he would make the thread a staff thread, you seem to ignore all the reasoning outside of this and besides Grath's first comment here was calling Chariot "Schrodinger's Arsehole" anyways so lets not entirely ignore agendas at play here.
Schrodinger's Douchebag is a real term.

I would like to point out, assuming the Demon Slayer supporters are not trying to ban Chariot for an agenda, that talking to a troublesome person before reporting them is not something you're required to do. If you believe somebody is problematic, you're not obligated to talk to them about it. You would be perfectly fine just reporting them if you didn't want to deal with them directly, because they're problematic.

This is gonna be my only reply, just wanted to point that out
 
Okay seriously though lets let this sit for other staff to give their opinions on, all of the relevant stuff has been said up to this point and I don't think going further can really amount to much other than cluttering the report further
I agree. I think the main points of contention have been laid out. Not much needs to be added other than further evaluations.
 
Bro's busy but like, in case ya'll don't believe how some of that is outright being taken out of context and framed disingenuously to somehow paint me as this ultra toxic spiteful dude to the DS lads.
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Actually stop trying to string together a bunch of disconnected blatant jokes between pals as being toxic and ban worthy behavior. Me posting a Flintstone's gif, me saying prostrate (as if hyperbolic wording didn't make it obvious) while posting Dr Manhattan, etc is just shit posting with a friendly lad.

If it was bad, he would have reported it himself. This is like the Baken Fiasco, a friend I shitpost with daily, being taken as toxic behavior from a 3rd party who wasn't in on the joke.

The only thing of potential note here, is the "staff only thread", but that isn't even on me, I was straight up told to say as much by staff involved in the CRT's process, because again, multiple staff are in fact on the verse's ass, so expect the worse, so go gather back up feats, etc.
 
I'm here to report @MeiouHades for inappropriate behavior.

Previously the user received a 2-year ban, where one of the reasons was being consistently toxic.

Four months ago the user was unbanned; however, they have not shown appropriate behavior during that period, even admitting they would have continued if not for the Wiki rules.

You don't realize how lucky you are that the Wiki rules prevent people from being downright toxic.

Less than 2 months after their unbanning, the user received an informal warning issued by Mr. Bambu for inappropriate behavior.

Two days later, the user made off-color/inflammatory comments in a Sailor Moon CRT.

Are you f**king kidding here? Genuinely? YOU are the one who has to PROVE that it is CONCEPTUAL TRANSCENDENCE OVER SPACE TIME to get the rating that YOU are proposing NOT ME!
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"未来と過去こ"
"Mirai to kako ko"
"FUTURE AND THE PAST"
I might just report you at this point for blatantly lying.

Again an implicit informal warning was issued by Qawsedf234 for that behavior in the thread.

The issue is that the user has continued, despite all this, posting comments that are completely out of line across different threads, either direct attacks or heavy sarcastic remarks aimed at various users.







NOTE: There's another implicit informal warning by Damage here to the thread in general.


Among the latest offenses the user has committed is mocking users so that they leave the thread and making ironic comments about it:


Or, in the most recent case, mentioning that the slightest conversation with Chariot brings toxicity with it (contributing nothing to the reports thread).
 
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Honestly I'm just doing this out of obligation/responsibility. Let's get into it I guess:


I'm here to report @MeiouHades for inappropriate behavior.

Previously the user received a 2-year ban, where one of the reasons was being consistently toxic.

Four months ago the user was unbanned; however, they have not shown appropriate behavior during that period, even admitting they would have continued if not for the Wiki rules.
First off, I have not only shown appropriate behavior but I've also improved massively as well thanks to actual efforts I've made in my real life, that's why I was allowed back on the wiki. Secondly, the majority of the reasons behind my ban was actually not that (though I admit it was a factor or at the very least didn't help me at all), it was actually the idea that I may be the alt of a former banned user on here. In fact that's what GarrixianXD's report (a former banned moderator) on here was all about, with another retired moderator DeagonX responding to it by bringing up details about how that user and I were related. That was the actual reason, points that I refuted when I made my appeal to Ant. So no, it wasn't for inappropriate behavior and two my behavior (while nowhere near perfect) has also improved greatly and I take pride in that fact.

Also, I don't know what part of that is me saying that I would continue said behavior if not for the Wiki rules. You even quoted my message directly but still basically put words in my mouth there while hyperlinking the comment. Comes across as bad faith, but no that's what that statement says. The context here is necessary so here we go:

This is about a user named Tuxidoe_Redo who was just recently banned for constantly spamming pointless threads, not listening either other members or staff members to outright disrupting threads with nonsensical commentary. All of this can be found if one searches for their comments so I'm not really going to bother linking it all here especially since they're already banned. Now that comment of mine comes after all of this where I state that the reason everyone was calmly and politely trying to explain him to stop (warnings that they did not heed) for stuff that would invoke much harsher backlash typically. I don't believe this comment is even report worthy.
Right, which I decided to heed as best as I can. Not perfectly of course, I don't believe anyone can do that which is why informal warnings exist. If everyone only got 3 maximum chances/warnings on what is primarily a powerscaling site where heated debates are the norm, we'd have less than 1% of the members we do right now. Still, Bambu was right and I decided to listen to that. It was already reported and dealt with, no reason to bring it up further; it wasn't even a formal warning.
Now this is where it gets weird with the Sailor Moon stuff. You see all those remarks and when they were made? I was knees-deep in an exhausting CRT debating an equally stubborn member (I don't mean this offensively, please don't take it as that, I call myself stubborn too and I think it's a fine trait) and MOST if not all of this stuff was already looked over and reported when Unanimous and I had our little report exchange here and on a few other occasions you can search for yourself. Heck, in that very thread we were both given an informal warning/advisory to calm down which I think we both listened to well right after that, which you've even posted right below this.

How exactly something that was mostly already reported and/or evaluated with informal warnings report-worthy exactly? That's not to say I was correct in saying that though, no. I regret many if not most of those remarks (even had a private conversation with Unanimous about it that I will not mention any of here)
Basically what I said above.
The issue is that the user has continued, despite all this, posting comments that are completely out of line across different threads, either direct attacks or heavy sarcastic remarks aimed at various users.
Most of those comments of mine was just me debating. I really don't want to go over every comment here just to explain it to you but I'll do some.

First one is this with OmegaBronic:

This was just me saying that he isn't reading; that was the whole issue of the thread, he was ignoring most of what we said. Again, not report-worthy by itself this is like the most common "complaint" on the wiki that most users have probably had more than once easily, nor is the first part of it report-worthy. We did not owe him any responses, especially since they weren't putting any effort into reading them (again these are not new accusations just stuff that was goin' on at the time), which is kinda frustrating. Still, it is true that I could've phrased this better than I did here. Again, knee-deep in a heated debate, it's not always that easy to be completely calm and stoic all the time. Still, I acknowledge that I could've done better here (and I did, in future debates, believe it or not).



Now these are comments that I believe I was already given a warning for by Damage, again this was against an extremely annoying user (my feeling at the time, not trying to call them annoying here) who simply didn't listen and would always fill the CRT with mostly and often unproductive, even sometimes useless comments. I mean it's okay to not like Dragon Ball, but consistent anti-Dragon Ball messages in a Dragon Ball general thread while refusing to listen to any and everything else is just.... yeah, it's not gonna invite welcoming messages exactly and even Damage for that reason thought it was bait (I disagree otherwise I would've ignored it). And in fairness to me I did try to reason with this user first but they're literally unreceptive to anything and in fact in that VERY SAME thread (maybe even the same conversation? I don't keep track of this inconsequential nonsense much more) they stated they hadn't watched or read DB and only watched it through those "What-if Goku was trapped and betrayed and had stage 4 cancer" (I'm exaggerating but you get the idea) videos. This is basically the same phenomenon as the above comment though this wasn't so much a debate as much as it was me getting rage-baited I guess.

THAT SAID, I still think this isn't report-worthy, mainly because I'm not personally attacking them or anything, I am calling their arguments garbage (and I still maintain that, that's not something I will take back, sorry) and I believe I and anyone else is allowed to do that. I don't have to respect every argument I see and I think that's a fair stance that most everyone on the forum holds to one degree or another. Still, I will once again admit that my language could still be better, or maybe I should've even realized this might be ragebait (though I don't think it was) and stopped engaging altogether. Like I said before, I'm not perfect but still this is something I actively do (even in this very thread, I'll disengage instead of throwing myself in pointless flame-wars). As for why I don't think it was ragebait, he has frequently been topic-banned too for exactly this sort of behavior. Also they have been banned from other threads prior to that as well but evidently their modus operandi did not change, and this was just their latest iteration of that. And funny enough, Mr. Bambu basically agreed at that point that it's just a display of pettiness, only difference between that and this instance here is the fact that no slur was used. So yeah I'm not just being a big bully to some innocent user here this was a frustrating debate against a user who has multiple past transgressions for exactly this sort of behavior, and THAT is where I may have been more aggressive than I should've been, that's all this is.



I'm not gonna quote all of these, because my response is basically exactly the same for them all (they're all a single message by the way, not multiple instances across multiple back-to-back days like what I suspect was being portrayed there). I guess I fell for some cheap ragebait and was a bit more aggressive than I should have been, and certainly there probably was a better way to deal with this. But this was (still is!) a constant pattern with this user (and yes he's gotten reported and warned for this, before you ask).
Also this? This is me referring to the fact that he actually DID get perma-thread banned (I think it was permanent?) from the Dragon Ball Daima discussion thread for the EXACT same behavior he consistently showed in the general thread for even longer than in the former. Yeah, this isn't me just hamming some innocent user here like you're portraying here, he has actually been reported, warned and even thread-banned for it and it was well-deserved indeed. Oh and yeah he was given a forum ban too btw, one month, not just once but twice (3 months the first time, not sure how their second offense warranted a less severe punishment though). Well-deserved once again but unfortunately that behavior continued. Even reported himself myself a while ago. And most of what the staff said about him in those links? All of that still holds true today unfortunately. One of the reasons for this was making highly illogical, pointless revisions and he did it again here after endlessly "debating" supporters with absolute nothingburgers and was almost unanimously rejected including by Damage who is usually more receptive to good downgrade attempts on the very first page of the CRT. I mean just look at this lmao, tell me this user or anything they say is even worth taking seriously remotely, then tell me it's unreasonable to be frustrated when they do this CONSTANTLY in a thread refusing to have their mind changed as well, even when the conversation doesn't involve them typically, despite obvious past warnings and a truckload of thread and forum bans. But wait, you might be thinking that this is just a harmless, confused user right?? Wrong, and this here pretty much proves they know what they are/were doing, they just didn't care. He's right, he deserves to be banned from DB discussions, I absolutely support that.

All this just to reinforce the point that I'm not "unfairly" attacking anyone there; I didn't attack him personally, I did attack their argument and called it garbage (which I have a right to and I won't change that opinion), but yes I could've been calmer though I doubt it'd do much to resolve their issue of being constantly disruptive. This user is EXTREMELY problematic, the bigger problem is and as you can clearly see always has been their behavior, but once again I can and will still do better.

NOTE: There's another implicit informal warning by Damage here to the thread in general.
And that about sums up most of this so-called report here. Most if not all of this stuff was a minor flame-war that died down on both ends when a mod stepped in and told us to chill the hell out. Most of this was also in the RVR at one point and mods expressed a similar sentiment. Again, nothing report-worthy here by itself other than admittedly some slight aggression on my part which I do explain the cause of but obviously I'll never justify it when my goal upon returning has been to do consistently better; which I'll once again proudly state that I have been.
Among the latest offenses the user has committed is mocking users so that they leave the thread and making ironic comments about it:
Yeah, this is not a serious report dude. Unanimous has said a million times by now that they were gonna leave a thread or whatever and they never do that, it's not report-worthy to call that out. This is literally just some banter, and heck Damage was even present there I believe and I didn't even get an informal warning for it this time. Not saying that I'll use this to repeat this until I get one obviously, I'm always gonna do better than last time, but that should tell you enough about how utterly inconsequential 99% of this "report" is.
Of course. This is the actual cause behind this "report". A petty, spite-driven post because I dared call out something I perceived as needlessly aggressive even though my comment didn't go much beyond that. Heck, I wouldn't even have posted it to begin with if I had noticed that FinePoint's report already included it, I thought it was missed so I wanted to include it, that's all.

So yeah, this is all I have to say to this "report" here. It is very obviously a spite-motivated report, nothing more.

Now with all of that said, the moderator still gets the final say. So if any of this is truly report-worthy or warning-worthy or heck even ban-worthy (remember I do have an actual formal warning on my tracker alone with unanimous, my only formal warning so far I think) then.... it is what it is, I guess. So if I get warned again, I'll happily take it and strive to do even better. If I get banned then well..... I guess I did my best and still infinitely better than my last presence here, please do at least leave a message on my wall if that happens. Heck I'll even take a perma-ban at this point if that's what solves it the quickest I guess, not that I think it's warranted of course, but that's not my place to decide, but simply because I REALLY don't want to bicker over here over such an obviously petty report, I'm too tired for that kinda back and forth. That'll be all.
 
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I was also contacted in private by a Demon Slayer supporter who said that they and other supporters felt like Chariot was gloating and bullying them, but given the wider context stated above it seems like Chariot was engaging in banter with a friend of his, and that Demon Slayer supporters had used a harsh tone against him previously during the discussion, so a strict warning to continuously try to tone down his language to be more polite and respectful may be sufficient here. 🙏
 
Also, given the number of rude comments MeiouHades apparently made, even if he was exhausted at the time, I think that a strict warning to make a continuous effort to completely cease being toxic seems warranted. 🙏
 
I was also contacted in private by a Demon Slayer supporter who said that they and other supporters felt like Chariot was gloating and bullying them, but given the wider context stated above it seems like Chariot was engaging in banter with a friend of his, and that Demon Slayer supporters had used a harsh tone against him previously during the discussion, so a strict warning to continuously try to tone down his language to be more polite and respectful may be sufficient here. 🙏
Yes, the memes with CBT and others is just friendly shit posting wasnt even just me either, a bunch of lads were doing it, someone posted an actual not ok meme at one point even and everyone just shrugged and went ok that's a bit to far but we get it's a joke, not sure why I'm being singled out, which I figured would be obvious given the anime gifs, Dr Manhattan stuff, links to wiki articles like death chariot, four horsemen of the apocalypse, etc. It was just messing around, obviously I'm not gonna go on a forum and go "prostrate yourself" to a random and have it be deadass serious to someone I feel can't take a joke or "im gonna downgrade your verse lmao" i can barely eve deal with my own.
Though, that whole mods on your asses thing, actually wasn't a joke. I woke up to a bunch of various staff and CGM's on server talking about various calc issues that was brought to light due to the recent influx of CRT's.
In response, a big downgrade CRT is being worked. I went ayo damn, opened the thread, and said "yo staff on your asses now, expect the worse", and then said, due to that, they should gather feats and get back up calcs so they're not ****** over because all the calcs the profiles hinge on got tossed with no fallback calcs. That isn't me threatening anything, or anyone, or even saying that's me.
Tbh I'm more wondering why I'm not being thanks for giving people a heads up, because otherwise it'd have come out of nowhere and every supporter would be scrambling trying to do stuff, sucks too because while I didn't mention it, I was going out of my way to calc some fallback calcs for the lads too in case it does actually go nuclear.

Given people seem to be taking a lot of what is banter or stuff without extra context in a way that looks bad, I will try my best to either make it evidently clear, refrain from such in spaces where a 3rd party who evidently isn't apart of the inner group might mistake it for something else, or to word stuff with more explicit context and backing info with any potential required background information that might pertain to the topic at hand so future possible misinterpretations become less likely to occur.
 
Also, given the number of rude comments MeiouHades apparently made, even if he was exhausted at the time, I think that a strict warning to make a continuous effort to completely cease being toxic seems warranted. 🙏
I don't wanna make it look like I was exhausted to the point I couldn't think and couldn't have done better, nor do I think that's a justification for most of these (and the ones with unanimous in the Sailor Moon thread I do genuinely regret now ever since that saga ended and partially why I paused revising the verse unlike my original plans), bur yeah; it sometimes gets hard to be perfectly levelheaded and cool in all of these situations and I think that deserves fair acknowledgement, which is why I now simply disengage.
 
Chariot:

Well, gloating toxic banter is bad regardless, and you have a history of hostile behaviour, and we want this to be a safe, respectful, and friendly community, so you genuinely need to make an great continuous effort to behave yourself and follow our "be kind" rule and its connected elaborations. 🙏
 
I don't wanna make it look like I was exhausted to the point I couldn't think and couldn't have done better, nor do I think that's a justification for most of these (and the ones with unanimous in the Sailor Moon thread I do genuinely regret now ever since that saga ended and partially why I paused revising the verse unlike my original plans), bur yeah; it sometimes gets hard to be perfectly levelheaded and cool in all of these situations, which is why I now simply disengage.
You need to rewrite your posts without any toxicity, mocking, or insults in the future, or you might get banned, which would be a shame since you otherwise seem to be a rational evaluator of content revisions. 🙏
 
You need to rewrite your posts without any toxicity, mocking, or insults in the future, or you might get banned, which would be a shame since you otherwise seem to be a rational evaluator of content revisions. 🙏
Understood, I'll further strive to do so starting immediately. Might even contact you later privately for some more specific advice on how best to do that.
 
Chariot:

Well, gloating toxic banter is bad regardless, and you have a history of this, and we want this to be a safe, respectful, and friendly community, so you genuinely need to make an great continuous effort to behave yourself and follow our "be kind" rule and its connected elaboration. 🙏
When I say banter, I mean talking with friends who know it's a joke, back and forth.
It'd be like if if baken or dalesean posted a joke about like 2-C star platinum or 1-A superman and I posted a gif of dr manhatten dusting Rorschach or Batman backhanding Robin in response, I know it's a joke, they know it's a joke, it's just banter between people who know it is.
Like obviously that's just friendly shitposting, we're know we're joking, it's all in good fun, it can just be misinterpreted by people not involved in the back and forth as potential hostility I get it, but it's absolutely not, it's just memes.

I'm obviously not going to some random dude I've never once interacted with on forum and posting memes or banter that could come as hostile, in fact I usually try to keep the tone super matter of fact but people also tend to think that's condescending too so eh.

But regardless I hear you, an attempt will be made.
 
I have not only shown appropriate behavior but I've also improved massively as well thanks to actual efforts I've made in my real life, that's why I was allowed back on the wiki.
Congratulations if you have improved your behavior, and I say that sincerely and personally, however, this has not been reflected in your comments on the Wikia since you returned.

So no, it wasn't for inappropriate behavior and two my behavior (while nowhere near perfect) has also improved greatly and I take pride in that fact.
You still have past reports for toxicity. Literally, the comment above the quote is a toxicity report by @Hasty12345. It’s worth noting that I never said it was the main reason, but it is one of the factors that preceded the ban.

Of course. This is the actual cause behind this "report". A petty, spite-driven post because I dared call out something I perceived as needlessly aggressive even though my comment didn't go much beyond that.
Honestly, I’ve been seeing your toxicity in the Dragon Ball threads for quite some time, a collective toxicity that caused a user to leave the wiki temporarily (Luffy), and heated comments directed at Null (one of the reasons I will never participate actively in that particular verse on the Wiki).

The rest are justifications, which are not for me to evaluate, so I will stop replying and let the staff decide whether to give the person another chance or not.
 
Congratulations if you have improved your behavior, and I say that sincerely and personally, however, this has not been reflected in your comments on the Wikia since you returned.


You still have past reports for toxicity. Literally, the comment above the quote is a toxicity report by @Hasty12345. It’s worth noting that I never said it was the main reason, but it is one of the factors that preceded the ban.


Honestly, I’ve been seeing your toxicity in the Dragon Ball threads for quite some time, a collective toxicity that caused a user to leave the wiki temporarily (Luffy), and heated comments directed at Null (one of the reasons I will never participate actively in that particular verse on the Wiki).

The rest are justifications, which are not for me to evaluate, so I will stop replying and let the staff decide whether to give the person another chance or not.
Dude. Let it go. Its been resolved.
 
Honestly, I’ve been seeing your toxicity in the Dragon Ball threads for quite some time, a collective toxicity that caused a user to leave the wiki temporarily (Luffy), and heated comments directed at Null (one of the reasons I will never participate actively in that particular verse on the Wiki).

The rest are justifications, which are not for me to evaluate, so I will stop replying and let the staff decide whether to give the person another chance or not.
Luffy didn't leave because of MeiouHades, Luffy had already been talking about leaving even when MeiouHades was banned, don't conflate Luffy's personal reasons for leaving temporarily to MeiouHades. Nullflower is also known for being snarky and rude in his responses to people first, myself included. This is not report worthy. Most of your "report" is touching on things that had already been addressed in the past. It's like beating a dead horse.
 
Yeah, this is not a serious report dude. Unanimous has said a million times by now that they were gonna leave a thread or whatever and they never do that, it's not report-worthy to call that out. This is literally just some banter, and heck Damage was even present there I believe and I didn't even get an informal warning for it this time. Not saying that I'll use this to repeat this until I get one obviously, I'm always gonna do better than last time, but that should tell you enough about how utterly inconsequential 99% of this "report" is.

I made it clear that if you guys were going to keep insulting my intelligence and throwing petty insults that I would stop commenting. I didn't bother to report but if you are going to downplay then I will make it known. Constantly accusing people who disagree with you of not reading and then egging on people trying to antagonize me isn't friendly banter. This is all I would say on this matter, this is not an official report.
 
I made it clear that if you guys were going to keep insulting my intelligence and throwing petty insults that I would stop commenting.
No one was insulting you or your intelligence there, at least I wasn't. It isn't an insult to suggest that you're not reading something properly. A great example is Damage's own disagreements in that thread, he evidently read everything and I had a far better debate with him than I did with you, I and no one else accused him of not reading either, because he did in fact read everything really well. Again, it's one of the most common complaints here. To demonstrate that, look no further than your own "accusations" of me or others not reading in many of your threads.
I didn't bother to report but if you are going to downplay then I will make it known. Constantly accusing people who disagree with you of not reading
here, here, here and here. This is very consistent with you, accusing me and others of not reading. Why's it suddenly a problem when that's done to you? Once again, I don't think it's an insult to suggest this which is why I've never reported or considered reporting you for this, it'd be utterly ridiculous of everyone started reporting each other for one of the most common stuff here. Nor is that specific comment of mine an insult, since you too in the very first comment there tell me to "not comment on a higher tier thread".
and then egging on people trying to antagonize me isn't friendly banter.
Didn't say it was friendly, just common banter. I do not consider us friends or even friendly. But if you can't take these on the chin like you expect others to, then please hold yourself to a similarly strict standard.

This was a pointless reply. The matter has been more or less settled, and I'd greatly appreciate if you too would let it die here.
 
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here, here, here and here. This is very consistent with you, accusing me and others of not reading. Why's it suddenly a problem when that's done to you? Once again, I don't think it's an insult to suggest this which is why I've never reported or considered reporting you for this, it'd be utterly ridiculous of everyone started reporting each other for one of the most common stuff here. Nor is that specific comment of mine an insult, since you too in the very first comment there tell me to "not comment on a higher tier thread".
You are bringing in stuff from before both you and I were given formal warnings. I have since refrained from speaking like that.
 
You are bringing in stuff from before both you and I were given formal warnings. I have since refrained from speaking like that.
And I wasn't even given an informal warning for what you brought up here, not that I think I can't improve but I still maintain that it was utterly harmless (and I even tried and succeeded in de-escalating what I thought was actually harmful with Legendarium's reply to you, which DID prompt an informal warning from Damage too). That said, if you really insist, I'm still willing to change that (as I already said here earlier) since you state you won't be doing that again either. Now, let it die here please and thank you,
 
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60 posts, and I've got a lot to say about 'em.

Most of the stuff I've responded to doesn't merit a long back-and-forth here. If you think you fall into that camp but still wanna correct me, feel free to do so anywhere else on-site or off-site. Within reason.

Chariot190​

Reported Messages​

I'm ignoring the bulk of the content of FinePoint's initial report since, ultimately, what matters is the actual messages we have evidence of Chariot posting.

Most of these things could be excused with context supporting that it was merely banter between friends. I'll be assuming it wasn't unless evidence for that was presented.
  • Exhibit A: Initial post seems a bit hostile/mocking, although seeing how it's probably borrowing some terminology and sardonic overtones from the previous post, I think it gets toned down to the point of not being report-worthy. The later post is completely fine.
  • Exhibit B: This post is completely fine.
  • Exhibit C: Breaking this down into individual points that people have expressed concern over...
    • "Are you really asking the dividing line between what counts as one thing and what doesn't? Use your eyes, I shouldn't have to explain this to you." I think this gets close to the brink of acceptability, but is still ultimately fine.
    • "Was gonna make the DS downgrade a open CRT so everyone could comment but that shit is gonna be staff only now just for that." I think this is quite a bad sentiment to express. It is declaring that a thread would have been made as a CRT, but because one person said that five people, two of which are demoted CGMs, do not have their votes count. That is an exceedingly invalid reason to make a thread staff-only, and it was done in response to an exceedingly acceptable comment. Dalesean was wrong to say that it was improper or tantamount to saying they should shut up for Epyriel to point this out.
  • Exhibit D: This post is completely fine.
  • Exhibit E: This post would be quite the weird way to interact with a relative stranger. Luckily Chariot established that she's chill with it.
  • Thermor's Addition aka The Return of the Goon: I think given the greater content of the post, this is about borderline.

Chariot's Response(s)​

Literally everyone agreed it was disrespectful and undermining to even do that.
And yes that still applies, if we're going to just treat others opinion's as invalid, may as well skip the process and just make it staff only. In fact I was told to do exactly that in response by staff.
As I've commented above (and below), I strongly disagree with the idea that Epyriel's way of saying that was disrespectful and undermining.
How is that unacceptable, I was actively told to do so in response, by staff.
And, again, I would like to point out how I was told to make it staff only in response to the comment, and was told to make it staff only originally too, the fact it wasn't going to be was because I was being nice about it. You're reading this as some sort of excessively toxic spite when there's a whole bunch of context behind it.
The only thing of potential note here, is the "staff only thread", but that isn't even on me, I was straight up told to say as much by staff involved in the CRT's process, because again, multiple staff are in fact on the verse's ass, so expect the worse, so go gather back up feats, etc.
In the thread in question I do not see any staff members saying that because of Epyriel's message that the CRT you were planning should be staff-only. If that happened somewhere else, I would like to know, since staff should be not advising such actions for those reasons. And if that was the case, they should be tanking the heat, not you.

If they said it should be staff-only for other innocuous reasons (like, due to it being an overhaul for a large verse, the thread would be hard to manage otherwise) that is perfectly fine, but also irrelevant to your report, since the issue isn't that you'd make it staff-only, but why.
Yes, multiple people are on their asses due to the recent changes.
There is nothing wrong with that, in fact it'd be even worse if nobody said as much. Big CRT coming and nobody was alerted to take precautions and steps is extremely scummy.

Alerting them that "hey bros, a bunch of staff and CGMs on your asses now, you should probably get back up shit", isn't toxic, it isn't even me doing it. How the hell am I the villain here?

This would be like if I dm'd the mario goons and went "yo so like, a dozen stuff hate this calc, and gonna downgrade the verse, figure shit out my dudes or the verse is gonna be ******".
That isn't me being toxic, it's me giving people a warning.
same deal here warning them to find valid alternatives since we are going to be making our thread which will affect almost every single calc in the verse since its almost all ratted out the ass
is telling someone to prepare for a downgrade even report worthy to the point he has to be banned for 3 months?
Though, that whole mods on your asses thing, actually wasn't a joke. I woke up to a bunch of various staff and CGM's on server talking about various calc issues that was brought to light due to the recent influx of CRT's.
In response, a big downgrade CRT is being worked. I went ayo damn, opened the thread, and said "yo staff on your asses now, expect the worse", and then said, due to that, they should gather feats and get back up calcs so they're not ****** over because all the calcs the profiles hinge on got tossed with no fallback calcs. That isn't me threatening anything, or anyone, or even saying that's me.
Tbh I'm more wondering why I'm not being thanks for giving people a heads up, because otherwise it'd have come out of nowhere and every supporter would be scrambling trying to do stuff
Both the content and the presentation of a message matter. The content was fine, but the presentation was a little over the line imo.

There's many ways you could say the same thing, from "Hey, I've learned that some staff are looking at downgrading this series. You should probably look into backup feats in case the current ones get removed or revised down" to things which I probably shouldn't actually type on the forum, which would communicate the same core idea. But some phrasings would obviously make more people feel attacked than others.
Also yes.
If we're arguing that people don't have voting rights on even a basic thread like that, even if true, is disrespectful and undermining, so why would we ever make an extremely large encompassing CRT that is bound to be heated and cover massive aspects as open to everyone, instead of reliable staff and a few trusted supporters who were given permission (Like don't forget, it being staff doesn't mean people can't comment, they just need to ask first), especially when the big CRT would be covering that very same topic?
Like hell I was gonna make it or start with it as a normal CRT (Really shouldn't be, should be a CGM thread given it's mostly about calcs), I was just feeling generous because it'd suck for the few blue names who might have something valid to say but, oops staff thread ya can't comment without jumping through hoops.
But if we're just saying only staff votes matter for the verse, why even do the initial messy process, just cut out the middle man.
Would make the most sense anyway, it'd undoubtedly lead to clutter, bloating, derailing, a bunch of intersecting arguments between a bunch of people and more if it was open generally.
I have no idea why you're treating the idea that only staff have voting rights on a thread as such a big deal.

You've been on the site for over 5 years. You must have seen this sort of thing happen dozens of times. Why is one person pointing that out enough to make such a big shift in the way you approach things? Why are you framing it as something people are suddenly asserting for one verse, when it's the standard practice for every single CRT, staff-only thread, and calc group thread on the site?

Yeah, the other reasons you give now, about it avoiding likely clutter and intersecting arguments, are fine. But this is just, strange. Like saying that you'll make your next CRT staff only because someone said you shouldn't bump twice within one hour. Even if it harshes your vibe, that shouldn't matter for these sorts of decisions.

Confusion​

Normally, harassing people in DMs is something that earns both a demotion and a ban. Not just a simple demotion. Not to mention, it was supposed to be doubled as a final warning when certain HR groups agreed with a simple demotion but hesitant on a ban. But it wasn't until he was officially given a 3rd final warning was when the 1 month ban finally happened. And final warnings are meant to actually be final warning; that's like not giving someone an out till they had 5 strikes as opposed to 3 strikes being a standard. Which was another note discussed in one of the private RVR threads.
I was never given a warning actually, not one person contacted me about it or leading up to it.
The ban happened without me being contacted at all. Would've been cool if I was contacted though so I could save the sandboxes I had open so I didn't end up losing weeks of progress and calcs but ya know.
Actually, you were given two warnings that I was going to speak with HR before the demotion happened. And there were other staff members who also gave you them on other threads; it's not just HR group members who can give warnings. Admins are allowed to warn Thread Mods and Calc Group members that "This isn't an appropriate thing for staff members to be saying and you're supposed to be setting a better example." And it's especially Bureaucrats and Super Moderators who also can. And those were before the harassment in DMs happened. But everyone basically had a uniformingly agreement on a demotion at bare minimum upon analyzing the DMs confirming what you said to me was indeed harassment. Grath and Bambu sort of agreed with a possible short ban, but conceded that just a demotion was fine.
That isn't a warning. Especially when one was framed "i might" with zero implication of anything.
Also not what I was talking about, you said the ban. No warning was given for that, under any case.
"But it wasn't until he was officially given a 3rd final warning was when the 1 month ban finally happened."

I was never informed of a ban or a warning that would lead to a ban (or even that there was this secret 3 stage warning process), the ban just kind of happened one morning without zero contact from any one staff with the most recent contact being a handful of days before, by ME contacting said staff (I think it was Lephyr?).

"Hey this isn't that bad but tone it down a lil" or "this is an informal warning to chill a lil" or "nothing here is actually that bad but eh...", is not the same as "We are going to ban you".
If anything they all just come off as "hey you're kind of abrasive but technically nothing is actually rule breaking so whatever".

Well thankfully I'm not a mod anymore.

I'd reply and explain in detail but in fear of it being framed and misinterpret as usual, I am just going to quitely remind you that my initial DM was asking something back which you even said to DM you prior, and then you replying back with a 20,000 word post continuing an argument that had already ended.

Are we even talking about the same thing? I'm talking about the ban. That happened like a year later.

And context, or the fact it's being misread to begin with but **** me ig.
Be consistent and fair with it, if it goes one way, it best go every way equally.
I'm not familiar enough with this situation, and you two are saying wildly different things. Could at least one of you bring evidence so it's not just based on word of mouth memories of something that happened ages ago?

Other​

Chariot only said this because the supporters literally were telling him his opinion and arguments didn't matter in the thread because he was not a Calc Group Member. I find it very odd how he's being reported for this and not the other way around, if anything.
Blatantly not what was said. Telling 5 different people "Respectfully, this is a CGM thread and your votes do not count." is worlds from "Chariot, don't comment on my threads, your vote doesn't matter. Hey! Other supporters! You need to stop disagreeing with me too!"
and saying they should prostate which in the context I don't see how that's out of the energy we've received on this
Oh, I see we're jumping Chariot for literally no reason other than pettiness now. Fun. Seriously this is ridiculous, nothing he said was report worthy barring maybe Exhibit E as noted before but even then are we really gonna get on his case for that alone when he was actively being antagonized?
Could you elaborate on this? Nothing I saw in this thread from Catbowtie was seemingly in line with that. If some other supporters were launching that sorta shit, it should be kept with those specific supporters, if you want us to cut any amount of slack.
Can't attest to the other stuff as I wasn't there, but I was in the Calc Group discussion and from what I saw, he handled himself courteously enough. And when Dale told him he was getting a bit aggresive and should back off, he did.
From looking over the thread I think you're talking about, I can't find that actually happening.
we really adding "goons" to the mix?
Yeah, I think, contextually, that is a very slightly demeaning term.
I don't want to clog the thread, but there's no way to use goons as something insulting here.

Just search the actual uses of the word on the wiki, and using it as a reportable act to Chariot is ridiculous.
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Wankers has 42 pages of search results, dumbasses has 6, and idiots has 33. I'd consider all of these on about the same level, when used towards a known/inferrable group of users on-site.
Genuine question: How much of this is actual concerns about toxicity, and how much of it is just supporters trying to get rid of someone before they can downgrade their verse?
Ultimately, I don't think that's something we need to concern ourselves with once staff come around to evaluate the report. We should have enough of a diversity of thought to not jump on a baseless report due to bias over supporting a verse.
Privately? Why are we doing things behind closed doors, people should come out and say it.
Being able to privately report things prevents retaliation from occurring for the report. Shit's important.
Moreso a thread like this would need to be a staff thread anyways with numerous other CGMs and staff present since it is almost the entirety of the verses calcs in discussion and almost the entirety of them need to be revised, literal staff thread worthy shit alone. How is that reportable, am I going to be reported because we did the same thing with Tokyo Revengers
Creating a staff-only thread isn't an issue in and of itself, but it can be if it's done for certain reasons. If Chariot said "I'm gonna make this a staff thread because of how big it'll be" that would obviously be non-reportable.
If that is the case, I suppose the KNY supporters instigating him will also get a 3 month ban no?
What instigations are you talking about? I didn't see anything out of pocket in my scroll through the relevant threads, but I could've easily missed stuff.

Conclusion​

The people mad at Chariot are blowing things out of proportion. I don't think this deserves more than a minor/unofficial & particular warning, and a few minor instructions in other areas.

The people defending Chariot are too often doing so from wack angles.

Everyone is wrong except for me. And maybe Ant ig? Case dismissed.


Tangential​

Thermor Warning​

btw now this is a warn worthy comment, wholly unnecessary and overtly aggressive over the word goon, this is your warning and I'm deleting the unnecessary comment
I disagree with the idea that Thermor's message was warn worthy. Its presentation was not at all aggressive. It drew negative conclusions about Chariot's character, which isn't great, but was ultimately tied to the matter of whether Chariot is likely to be toxic in the future, which is the sort of thing that should be an acceptable discussion topic in the RVR.

I do still agree that it was unnecessary and worthy of deletion, FinePoint had already brought up the same core idea, and we need non-staff comments to be from involved parties, or to be adding something novel.




I would love to comment on the MeiouHades report too, but I need to sleep. I'll get to it in ~20-34 hours.
 
Everyone is wrong except for me.
Internet discourse in a nutshell.

I posted my report right before going to bed, so I've missed all the discussion until now.

I'd first like to make it very clear that I'm not 'mad' at Chariot in any sense of the word. That kind of thing simply isn't in my personality. I actually kind of like Chariot, I think he's funny.

However, when members of the forum come to me respectfully with serious concerns I feel obligated to address them. I was warned that this report might be controversial, and they didn't want to get into a public fight about it, so I agreed to make the report on their behalf since I have no such fear. That is all. I kept them anonymous because I understand that arguing with authority figures can be very intimidating. Again, I have no such fear, I love arguing with authority figures- but that is why this was all done previously in private.

Most of the rebuttals going on here seems to miss the point in my opinion, but Chariot's own words have swayed me the most. I'm not a hypocrite. I fully expected him to respond and defend himself, and was fully prepared for my mind to potentially change as a result, and it has. To be honest, I'm rarely ever certain about my initial judgement on any topic, and always feel far more comfortable after my ideas are challenged a little and I can develop a more nuanced opinion.

I think my initial suggestion of a three month ban is probably too harsh given all the context, though I disagree strongly that this "wasn't report worthy", and I do think at least another warning is warranted, so that is where I will officially stand for now.
 
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I'd also like to post that to clarify misconceptions and a formal apology for some degree of misunderstandings and bad timings/placings.

I know I initially agreed with some paraphrases FinePoint said, but ultimately felt most of the linked examples weren't that bad. Especially ones Cat clairified that he didn't think Chariot was that serious. Though I agree more with what Grath said in the long run. Grath had no ill will and alongside Agnaa is one of the more level headed and actively responsible HR group members as of late.

And just a minor general note, I agree that necroing pasts often gets a bad rap. But they do often become relevant for analyzing the history of someone's patterns and behaviors and more importantly to compare/contrast how much they've grown since then. Likewise, I do mention this all the time, but I do suffer from a combination of social anxiety disorder and CPTSD (Which the latter could in turn result in DID, formerly called MPD as well as cause people to see and hear things that aren't real). So maybe I could have worded things better, and I usually prefer to talk about histories in DMs and/or the private RVR report thread. That being said, Agnaa is partially right that most people kind of have a "Motive may have been good, but methods were most definitely not so good." And I do think Agnaa was more or less right on many accounts here.

And looking back, what I may say is deserved from a offender justice standpoint doesn't always reflect what I think should be done, or what I think is deserved from a personal or spiritual standpoint. But going off what should be done, I agree no one involved in either discussion needs a ban right away. And what Agnaa asked me, I could talk in Super Mod discussion after work.
 
I think Chariot's behavior is worthy of more scrutiny given the consistency of it. I find Grath's suggestion of two months agreeable. I think "death by a thousand cuts" is a valid means of reaching these small bans- and Chariot has cut more than a thousand times, if one wishes to beat the metaphor to death.
 
I think Chariot's behavior is worthy of more scrutiny given the consistency of it. I find Grath's suggestion of two months agreeable. I think "death by a thousand cuts" is a valid means of reaching these small bans- and Chariot has cut more than a thousand times, if one wishes to beat the metaphor to death.
To torture the metaphor further, I think this (and a few other situations) are more like

He used to beat up random strangers every couple of weeks. After a couple of years, people noticed that trend and got him in trouble.

But now, people have noticed that in the past 3 months he punched too hard while sparring, bumped into someone as he walked past, and play-fought a friend, with this being viewed as a return to old form. Rather than a marked improvement.
 

MeiouHades​

The Evidence​

Again, I'm going to take away the editorialising, and just investigate the linked evidence from after his unban in chronological order.
  • June 19, 2025: This message is two baby steps into being mean.
  • June 19, 2025: Bambu saw the previous comment, as well as some others, and determined that Meiou does not deserve a formal warning, just an informal piece of advice.
  • June 22, 2025: This has a slightly harsh tone, but nothing I'd consider rule-breaking. Plus, the other interlocutor was being just as (if not more) incendiary, accusing Meiou of not knowing anything about the series and just making things up.
  • June 22, 2025: Again, slightly harsh tone, but not rule-breaking. TheGodOfIce777 said that a scan was using "transcending space and time" in reference to the future and past, Iamunanimousinthat said that was not true, MeiouHades correctly pointed out how the scan did explicitly mention that and considered reporting him for blatantly lying. That seems fine to me, as there's a reasonable basis to consider reporting them.
  • June 22, 2025: Qawsed saw the two previous posts, and said that both Meiou and Iamunanimousinthat should chill out, at risk of an official warning if they continued.
  • June 28, 2025: I think this post was Somewhat Rude, a rule violation of sorts.
  • July 4, 2025: This post has many very rude aspects of it, I'd consider it quite a violation, and I don't see anything in Alexander's post immediately beforehand that would make me look upon that more kindly.
  • July 4, 2025: Contrary to Meiou's own claim in this post, both this one and the previous one have included unwarranted direct personal attacks on Alexander as a person, with statements like "There are guys here who I don't agree with but I respect greatly, you are not one of them", "You suck at debating and you've proven that countless times here". These are demonstrably statements about Alexander as a person, not just the arguments they happen to have made in that thread. On top of that, there's some pretty rude isolation-driving statements like "and that's precisely why no one takes you seriously".
    • To heed off any potential response like "Oh, so you're saying we have to LIE and pretend we greatly respect people we don't?" In My Opinion, no, but you have an obligation to not smear it in someone's face. You shouldn't say "There are people here who I think are smart, you are not one of them". But you can call particular users smart if it comes up, and if someone approaches you asking if you think they're smart, you can say "no", as long as it's done in a relatively cordial way.
  • July 4, 2025: I find it quite heart-wrenching seeing Meiou respond with so much vitriol to someone who is clearly young and acting with humility. Especially combined with the gaslighting of saying there are no personal attacks, despite comments like "No one here thinks you're a serious debater or worth taking seriously at all" and "You can hardly read what's in front of you, no way you can type anything coherent sensible under anesthesia when you can't even do it while fully awake".
  • July 4, 2025: I am astonished that a post like this wasn't reported until now.
  • July 4, 2025: The violations continue. If you were to "Mock someone mercilessly" that would not be engaging in sensible debate, it would simply be bullying. Threatening to do so is not reasonable behaviour.
  • July 4, 2025: An exceedingly toxic way to close off a conversation.
  • July 4, 2025: Damage says that users could benefit from chilling. I find that to be quite the understatement.
  • July 30, 2025: Given the greater context, of CodeCCLL starting off the incendiary comments, and consistently escalating things, with Meiou not fully reaching those heights of escalation, I won't hold this against Meiou.
  • August 27, 2025: Meiou seems to be admittedly disrespectful here, by continuing to debate while saying that he's deemed Iamunanimousinthat as not worthy of a respectful debate. The portions trying to convince Unanimous that they're isolated, and describing them saying they'll stop comment as "threatening us with a good time" are rude.
  • September 2, 2025: I don't know why this comment was reported. Yeah, it's kinda unnecessary since it's repeating evidence that was posted earlier, but that's not relevant to the pattern at hand.

The Defence​

First off, I have not only shown appropriate behavior but I've also improved massively as well thanks to actual efforts I've made in my real life, that's why I was allowed back on the wiki. Secondly, the majority of the reasons behind my ban was actually not that (though I admit it was a factor or at the very least didn't help me at all), it was actually the idea that I may be the alt of a former banned user on here. In fact that's what GarrixianXD's report (a former banned moderator) on here was all about, with another retired moderator DeagonX responding to it by bringing up details about how that user and I were related. That was the actual reason, points that I refuted when I made my appeal to Ant. So no, it wasn't for inappropriate behavior and two my behavior (while nowhere near perfect) has also improved greatly and I take pride in that fact.
Your ban was, in part, for your behaviour. On top of that, prior to your ban you'd received a warning for behaviour, and while you were banned you received a posthumous warning for previous behaviour. So, while a decent part of it was for sockpuppeting, I still find that old context to be relevant.
So yeah I'm not just being a big bully to some innocent user here this was a frustrating debate against a user who has multiple past transgressions for exactly this sort of behavior, and THAT is where I may have been more aggressive than I should've been, that's all this is.
As I commented in the breakdown above, I don't think your reasonings for why the posts aren't report-worthy by themselves are sufficient. So that leaves your justifications of the posts themselves, which I do not believe justify it. I don't care that he spammed the general thread a year ago saying that DB sucks, that comes nowhere near justifying this level of aggression being lobbied in July.
I mean just look at this lmao, tell me this user or anything they say is even worth taking seriously remotely, then tell me it's unreasonable to be frustrated when they do this CONSTANTLY in a thread refusing to have their mind changed as well, even when the conversation doesn't involve them typically, despite obvious past warnings and a truckload of thread and forum bans. But wait, you might be thinking that this is just a harmless, confused user right?? Wrong, and this here pretty much proves they know what they are/were doing, they just didn't care. He's right, he deserves to be banned from DB discussions, I absolutely support that.
I think this paragraph, in and of itself, is a rule violation. You're being reported for (among other things) toxicity directed towards this user, and you say "tell me this user or anything they say is even worth taking seriously remotely". As someone not familiar with DBS, I can't parse that post into anything I could parse as being deserving of this level of dismissal. But you should not be using the RVR as a platform to implicitly make someone believe that every site user think they're "not worth taking remotely seriously". I take them seriously.

Plus, I don't at all understand how that link is meant to prove Alexander "knows what they're doing". I just see it as them being exasperated that their thread got rejected.
Yeah, this is not a serious report dude. Unanimous has said a million times by now that they were gonna leave a thread or whatever and they never do that, it's not report-worthy to call that out. This is literally just some banter, and heck Damage was even present there I believe and I didn't even get an informal warning for it this time. Not saying that I'll use this to repeat this until I get one obviously, I'm always gonna do better than last time, but that should tell you enough about how utterly inconsequential 99% of this "report" is.
I only accept "it's banter" if the other interlocutor is obviously fine with it, or later says that they are. And hey, in this case Unanimous explicitly said the opposite.

And you did not just call out that behaviour, you insulted them while doing it.
Didn't say it was friendly, just common banter. I do not consider us friends or even friendly. But if you can't take these on the chin like you expect others to, then please hold yourself to a similarly strict standard.
I didn't see other stuff in that thread from Unanimous that was on that level, although I didn't look particularly hard, and I think the Alexander stuff seals the case by itself.
So yeah, this is all I have to say to this "report" here. It is very obviously a spite-motivated report, nothing more.
That's not very obvious to me, what evidence do you have for that claim?

Conclusion​

Well yeah, this does just seem like a continuation of his previous toxicity around DB, which hasn't stopped after two years. Given its extreme extent right now, and how it didn't improve after such a long ban, I'd suggest a permaban.

Addendum​

To clarify, I don't view Hades as some online bully, I just think some of his behaviour has been a bit more rude than we should strive for in our community, and given his track record I don't think another warning would be sufficient to change that.
 
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Well, you have obviously made up your mind already. I don't believe it's really possible to convince you otherwise here. If you choose to permaban me, please do at least leave a message on my wall. That'll be all.
 
It doesn't need to be explained because it's clear. Also everything here are by PtEmirhan
 
Well actually, I am gonna respond a little bit. None of this is intended to convince you otherwise or even reduce my punishment, I don't believe that's even possible, but I am gonna post this because; If I'm gonna go anyway I at least don't wanna be seen as the "guy who broke rules with the RVR thread", I'll still respond to the whole thing so here goes I guess:

MeiouHades​

The Evidence​

Again, I'm going to take away the editorialising, and just investigate the linked evidence from after his unban in chronological order.
  • June 19, 2025: This message is two baby steps into being mean.
  • June 19, 2025: Bambu saw the previous comment, as well as some others, and determined that Meiou does not deserve a formal warning, just an informal piece of advice.
  • June 22, 2025: This has a slightly harsh tone, but nothing I'd consider rule-breaking. Plus, the other interlocutor was being just as (if not more) incendiary, accusing Meiou of not knowing anything about the series and just making things up.
  • June 22, 2025: Again, slightly harsh tone, but not rule-breaking. TheGodOfIce777 said that a scan was using "transcending space and time" in reference to the future and past, Iamunanimousinthat said that was not true, MeiouHades correctly pointed out how the scan did explicitly mention that and considered reporting him for blatantly lying. That seems fine to me, as there's a reasonable basis to consider reporting them.
  • June 22, 2025: Qawsed saw the two previous posts, and said that both Meiou and Iamunanimousinthat should chill out, at risk of an official warning if they continued.
  • June 28, 2025: I think this post was Somewhat Rude, a rule violation of sorts.
  • July 4, 2025: This post has many very rude aspects of it, I'd consider it quite a violation, and I don't see anything in Alexander's post immediately beforehand that would make me look upon that more kindly.
His post themselves were largely benign if looked at in isolation, the overall pattern of it is what I was alluding to. But I understand that's not the point, I'm not arguing with this judgement here.
  • July 4, 2025: Contrary to Meiou's own claim in this post, both this one and the previous one have included unwarranted direct personal attacks on Alexander as a person, with statements like "There are guys here who I don't agree with but I respect greatly, you are not one of them", "You suck at debating and you've proven that countless times here". These are demonstrably statements about Alexander as a person, not just the arguments they happen to have made in that thread. On top of that, there's some pretty rude isolation-driving statements like "and that's precisely why no one takes you seriously".
    • To heed off any potential response like "Oh, so you're saying we have to LIE and pretend we greatly respect people we don't?" In My Opinion, no, but you have an obligation to not smear it in someone's face. You shouldn't say "There are people here who I think are smart, you are not one of them". But you can call particular users smart if it comes up, and if someone approaches you asking if you think they're smart, you can say "no", as long as it's done in a relatively cordial way.
I understand. I didn't intend for these to come off as an attack on their person, but of course it clearly was anyway. I understand this now
  • July 4, 2025: I find it quite heart-wrenching seeing Meiou respond with so much vitriol to someone who is clearly young and acting with humility. Especially combined with the gaslighting of saying there are no personal attacks, despite comments like "No one here thinks you're a serious debater or worth taking seriously at all" and "You can hardly read what's in front of you, no way you can type anything coherent sensible under anesthesia when you can't even do it while fully awake".
Well I'm not exactly sure if they're young and humble but....that hardly matters now I understand. My response was still overtly aggressive, doesn't matter what they are or aren't I suppose. I understand.
  • July 4, 2025: I am astonished that a post like this wasn't reported until now.
  • July 4, 2025: The violations continue. "Mocking someone mercilessly" is not engaging debate, it's simply bullying.
  • July 4, 2025: An exceedingly toxic way to close off a conversation.
  • July 4, 2025: Damage says that users could benefit from chilling. I find that to be quite the understatement.
Yeah, you're not wrong here I guess. Looking back at it now, I really did cross a line.
  • July 30, 2025: Given the greater context, of CodeCCLL starting off the incendiary comments, and consistently escalating things, with Meiou not fully reaching those heights of escalation, I won't hold this against Meiou.
  • August 27, 2025: Meiou seems to be admittedly disrespectful here, by continuing to debate while saying that he's deemed Iamunanimousinthat as not worthy of a respectful debate. The portions trying to convince Unanimous that they're isolated, and describing them saying they'll stop comment as "threatening us with a good time" are rude.
I do admit it was rude yeah, in hindsight I did later regret making that comment and was thinking of deleting it but that'd be dishonest (since unanimous and others by that point had already seen it) plus mods can still see deleted posts.
  • September 2, 2025: I don't know why this comment was reported. Yeah, it's kinda unnecessary since it's repeating evidence that was posted earlier, but that's not relevant to the pattern at hand.

The Defence​


Your ban was, in part, for your behaviour. On top of that, prior to your ban you'd received a warning for behaviour, and while you were banned you received a posthumous warning for previous behaviour. So, while a decent part of it was for sockpuppeting, I still find that old context to be relevant.
That is true, but it's still correct that the vast majority of justification for a permaban was in fact sock puppeting, my point here is that while I'd still have been punished back then for my (much worse) behavior, I don't think it'd have a been a permaban back then....? I don't think that's unreasonable is it?
As I commented in the breakdown above, I don't think your reasonings for why the posts aren't report-worthy by themselves are sufficient. So that leaves your justifications of the posts themselves, which I do not believe justify it. I don't care that he spammed the general thread a year ago saying that DB sucks, that comes nowhere near justifying this level of aggression being lobbied in July.
I understand, I won't argue with this. Yes they were aggressive. More than is permissible even for a heater debate.
I think this paragraph, in and of itself, is a rule violation. You're being reported for (among other things) toxicity directed towards this user, and you say "tell me this user or anything they say is even worth taking seriously remotely". As someone not familiar with DBS, I can't parse that post into anything I could parse as being deserving of this level of dismissal. But you should not be using the RVR as a platform to implicitly make someone believe that every site user think they're "not worth taking remotely seriously". I take them seriously.
Now this is the only part where I truly wanna defend myself, not because it'll reduce my punishment because I feel this is a misinterpretation (albeit not deliberate I believe) of my intent. This paragraph here wasn't me trying to snarky with them again or anything. I was asking (the user who reported me here since they do claim to be familiar with DB) if they really think that being a little frustrated (though I admit I was more than a "little frustrated" judging by my previous comments) is really that unreasonable given how unreasonable their statement/argument was right there.

And, please take my word for it as someone very familiar with DB but that argument about "trees and apple" was in fact supremely ridiculous. I'd love to explain it in detail but obviously that's not appropriate here right now. You could ask other DB members but I doubt that's relevant or necessary anymore. So yes, this was a pretty bad argument that is what causes many people (myself included) to dismiss many of their arguments.

Of course dismissal is one thing and what I said to them above is a whole different thing, so I'm not using this as a justification for it. Just a little explanation just so I don't get painted as the guy who broke rules in the RVR before I go.
Plus, I don't at all understand how that link is meant to prove Alexander "knows what they're doing". I just see it as them being exasperated that their thread got rejected.
I thought it sort of showed that they know a lot of their ideas are bad or ridiculous but I suppose that wasn't enough. Really it was more so to establish a pattern of very similar behavior from them that has been a thing since 2022, and maybe I could've done that but that's largely pointless now. And even if I did do that I agree that it wouldn't justify at all what I said to them.
I only accept "it's banter" if the other interlocutor is obviously fine with it, or later says that they are. And hey, in this case Unanimous explicitly said the opposite.
By banter I meant your usual heated debates that don't typically involve actual reports but aren't exactly friendly either. But I understand, I'm not here to argue with your judgement like I said.
And you did not just call out that behaviour, you insulted them while doing it.
I did, yes. I see it did in fact come off that way now.
I didn't see other stuff in that thread from Unanimous that was on that level, although I didn't look particularly hard, and I think the Alexander stuff seals the case by itself.
Oh no that was in reply to unanimous themselves when I said that the "you can't read" stuff was something they've said to me many a times but I took them on the chin instead of taking any offense to that. That didn't have anything to do with the report.
That's not very obvious to me, what evidence do you have for that claim?
It was an inference I made, given that the user who reported me hasn't been active in any DB thread as far as I can see or remember and it only came after I posted something regarding Chariot's report, especially since most of the evidence is from early July. That all said, I guess it doesn't matter if it's made in spite or not (and I doubt this convinced you it was spite either, this was just to show why I think it was spite), if there's a sufficient violation.

Conclusion​

Well yeah, this does just seem like a continuation of his previous toxicity around DB, which hasn't stopped after two years. Given its extreme extent right now, and how it didn't improve after such a long ban, I'd suggest a permaban.

And well here we arrive at the finale. To this, all I wanna say that at the very least I DID improve compared to my behavior from two or so years ago, simply because the worst violations of mine here were mostly the norm for me back then, whereas this time (in Alexander's case) it's more of an outlier of extreme toxicity where for one reason or another I went way beyond what was warranted for something like this.

But I also understand that itself isn't relevant as far as a report goes and like I said none of this was meant to convince you or argue with your judgement, often one instance of such behavior is all it takes and you've pointed out more than just one instance here. I accept my punishment and won't debate or argue with it. Please do leave a message on my wall if possible after it's put in place. That'll be all.
 
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