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Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)

Mickey1940 said:
This is what I could get from the thread:

"A few words are enough to make Quanxi back down"
She has never demonstrated this against anyone ever besides random fodder marines and pirates, and especially not in direct combat. In all of her relevant interactions, she always either runs away and lets the rest of the crew handle it, or she beats people up with her staff (literally the only example I could find of this is against Miss Valentine, but that's also her literal only fight before fighting Miss Doublefinger). Every single time she used her social influencing, it was never in battle, and she just robs people and runs. If she does that here, she self BFRs cuz she's just running away.

"She used her Social Influencing against Lola"
only example given in the entire thread of her social influencing actually working on someone trying to kill her, and Lola is dumb enough to believe Nami is a man. Quanxi is significantly more intelligent than Lola, and she's also more intelligent than every single fodder character in One Piece that fell victim to Nami's SI. SI isn't mind control, smart enough people can just ignore it.
The entire story would go completely differently if her SI was good enough to actually work on everyone, even though it failed against Miss Doublefinger, Kalifa, Moria, Oars, Kuma, and literally every single person she's ever fought in the story. Nami has had multiple fights where SI was her only option, and it failed literally every single time besides Lola who is known to be unintelligent, so why would it work here?
We can analyze all of the SI examples on her profile:
Nami steals ship from pirates: She tricked them into thinking her chest was full of treasure. Obviously wouldn't work against Quanxi since she doesn't have a fake chest full of gold, nor does Quanxi care about it either
Nami pushes Johnny and Yosaku off the ship by tricking them: pretty sure if Quanxi's mission target asked her to turn around so she could strip, Quanxi's just gonna slice her in half cuz she's not stupid and it would be a completely nonsensical and illogical thing to say. You could argue that Nami's attractive enough to pull it off here since it wasn't a logical thing to say even in the moment, but again, if Nami is Quanxi's target, I highly doubt Quanxi would just sacrifice her mission just to let Nami strip. Again, unlike most of one piece, Quanxi isn't stupid and she's never been shown to let her lust get in the way of anything, while Johhny and Yosaku are significantly less intelligent and capable
Nami tricks Sanji into giving her free food: Sanji is a character who actively goes out of his way to entertain his own lust, even if it means dying in battle (see his battle against Kalifa and Mr. 2), this is a bad example
Nami gets a discount from Kureha: Here's an example where Nami doesn't even use seduction (and I don't think Kureha was oogling Nami at all during this arc), and it only worked cuz Nami had something extremely specific (key to the armory) that she can't really do here
Nami tricks weathermen into teaching her more about weather: Nami threatened to kill herself to repent, which no one would ever want... except Quanxi since she's actually trying to kill her
Again, Social Influencing isn't mind control. Prior Knowledge doesn't change the fact that Nami is Quanxi's target and therefore Quanxi will likely prioritize killing Nami over everything else.

"But Quanxi is gay"
again, the seduction works on everyone even if they weren't gay. But she's never demonstrated the ability to convince people smarter than the random fodder she encounters on a day to day basis.

SBA states:
In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

Quanxi is in a state where she sees someone, needs to kill them, and assumes they can kill her too. Why would she give Nami a chance to say anything?
Nami also doesn't have mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks, or superhuman charisma. Her ONLY tool is that she's hot, which isn't enough to prevent people from killing her (except against Lola, where she removed Lola's reason for killing her by calling herself a man, which just proves that Lola is stupid if anything)
Nami isn't Saul Goodman. Saul's is good enough to convince a psychotic man who resorts to violence and death regularly and threatened to "slit their throats and drag their tongues out through the slits" to just break each victim's leg. Nami's SI has never been this potent
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Again, all of this was argued against in the thread. You disagreeing is not grounds to remove it
 
Mickey1940 said:
no you didn't

everything you provided in the previous thread, I addressed
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All of your arguments were brought up in that thread, and it was agreed upon that Nami would still win by 7 people based on abiltes on her profile and her own behaviour against opponents stronger than her as well as Quanxi showing a willingness to not fight against someone without social influencing who wasn't even flirting with her. Your arguments are not new, and I'd suggest you drop this
 
That_moron2 said:
All of your arguments were brought up in that thread, and it was agreed upon that Nami would still win by 7 people based on abiltes on her profile and her own behaviour against opponents stronger than her as well as Quanxi showing a willingness to not fight against someone without social influencing who wasn't even flirting with her. Your arguments are not new, and I'd suggest you drop this
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who was the person Quanxi wasn't willing to fight?
 
The argument that Quanxi would instantly take Nami out with her attacks was also contested in that thread due to Nami's own feats against similar opponents, so like @That_moron2 said, disagreeing is not grounds to remove a match.
 
That_moron2 said:
Power. She was willing but it wasn't her first choice, and in that situation she had every reason to be bloodlusted
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Quanxi was perfectly willing to slaughter hundreds of people in that same arc, men and women alike

The one person she wasn't willing to kill was power

a fiend

when she has 4 other fiends who are her girlfriends

I think that's grounds to say that this was an exception that doesn't apply to Nami, as Nami is not a fiend
 
Ya lost the debate, people went and voted for the other side, and that's democracy. Deal with it.
 
Kachon123 said:
The argument that Quanxi would instantly take Nami out with her attacks was also contested in that thread due to Nami's own feats against similar opponents, so like @That_moron2 said, disagreeing is not grounds to remove a match.
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The "feats" Nami uses against similar opponents (literally just Miss Valentine) was her catching Miss Valentine off guard alongside Vivi

the "feats" you mentioned were against Miss Doublefinger, who this version of Nami has yet to fight and therefore shouldn't be used
 
DaReaperMan said:
Ya lost the debate, people went and voted for the other side, and that's democracy. Deal with it.
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VS Battles aren't subjective. What happens in each character's series happens in the series.

If people disagree with me yet aren't able to/willing to back up their claims, then I don't see any reason why I should stop arguing this
 
Mickey1940 said:
VS Battles aren't subjective. What happens in each character's series happens in the series.

If people disagree with me yet aren't able to/willing to back up their claims, then I don't see any reason why I should stop arguing this
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Then have the endless argument of your dreams, Mickey. Move with the punch and it'll hurt less, if you try to headbutt you're getting a concussion...
 
This is frankly pretty sad. Nothing you've brought up wasn't already mentioned in the thread. You're wasting yours and everybody else's time pulling this.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Then have the endless argument of your dreams, Mickey. Move with the punch and it'll hurt less, if you try to headbutt you're getting a concussion...
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????????

is the culture of this wiki to just

ignore incorrect things?

you're telling me to stop wasting my time, but why do you care so much about what I do with my time?
Kachon123 said:
This is frankly pretty sad. Nothing you've brought up wasn't already mentioned in the thread. You're wasting yours and everybody else's time pulling this.
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so basically what you're telling me is that you didn't read anything I said at all and you're basically just saying "no" instead of providing actual arguments

You claim that it's already been mentioned in the thread, but that's straight up untrue

so far, the only person who's had a stance besides "Quanxi is gay gg" is @LaserPrecision, who claims:

"I don't know much about One Piece, I'm only 20 or so chapters in (Just past them beating Buggy or whatever). If you're arguing her standard social influencing isn't going to work on Quanxi that's fine. My problem is only on the accusation being made that people thinks Nami wins solely because Quanxi is lesbian with no other context attached to it. When to me, the context looks like Nami has social influencing + them sending evidence of Quanxi flirting in the middle of a battle to show she's susceptible to looks alone, let alone social influencing which is typically better/more effective than just "looking good" to the person in question. It's a weakness even. One that can be exploited. So there is legitimate reasoning behind their train of thought. It's not just "Quanxi is lesbian so she loses lol".

I've given evidence on why her standard social influencing doesn't work, Quanxi has never flirted with people mid battle (sparing Power for a split second isn't flirting mid battle) and her only actual wincon is Happiness Punch, which she can't use unless she starts the battle completely naked, which she can't do since her hands are busy trying to block Quanxi's swords from turning her into deli meat

am I missing anything
 
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Kazuma_kuwabara said:
So my arguments are disregarded because you did not read the thread, okey buddy


Nami upscales, dattebayo bro
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my bad

you said

Nami is not gonna convinced literal psychos with absurd willpower
But a "normal" girl? She did it with random pirates and zombies for what I am seeing, I did not even know Quanxi was lesbian, Nami was able to make Luffy bleed with her happyness punch for some reason and Luffy is dumb as a brick, Quanxi with her orientation and a literal harem of girls can fall for a basic SI or start bleeding from the nose and get knock out for blood loss
That or Quanxi stomps with skill and weaponry, something Nami literally does not have, so choose the poison, skill stomp or lesbian stomp lol

so tldr either Nami happiness punch works or Quanxi skillstomps

and I've mentioned why Happiness Punch doesn't work

and I've mentioned why SI also doesn't work in this context
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
And why shouldn't work when the happiness punch has feats of working on a literal asexual guy like Luffy?
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because she wouldn't get the chance to take off her clothes when she's too busy trying not to get beheaded

apologies for the misunderstanding: If Nami successfully USES Happiness Punch, yeah it's gonna work. But she needs to actively take off her clothes in order to do so, which she wouldn't get the opening to do

SI doesn't give her said opening for the reasons I mentioned earlier either, so she's kinda sh*t out of luck
 
noninho said:
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Grace ended! [7-0-0] Horror Game Guy vs Horrible Movie Heroes (The Batter vs. Wonder Woman & Cyborg)

Hey, I'm back from being gone for a while with still 0 time for the changes I'd like to do! If anyone missed me, sorry for just disappearing, I'd love to not do this again and have at least a bit of time for this community Anyway, coming back to topic: Batter deserves a nice W, and it seems...
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Mostly solved, needing votes
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Idk if this is the correct thread to advertise an ongoing vs match tbh
 
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Boruto (Two Blue Vortex) Versus Mira Yoo

Boruto has to pick up the slack because Code is a failure Speed is equalized Two Blue Vortex Boruto is being used. Ragnarok Mira is being used Boruto scales above 10.14 Zettatons and 642 zettatons with uzuhiko Mira scales above 7.25 Zettatons SBA otherwise
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Isn't this match a stomp since Boruto is now 5-B?
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
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Boruto (Two Blue Vortex) Versus Mira Yoo

Boruto has to pick up the slack because Code is a failure Speed is equalized Two Blue Vortex Boruto is being used. Ragnarok Mira is being used Boruto scales above 10.14 Zettatons and 642 zettatons with uzuhiko Mira scales above 7.25 Zettatons SBA otherwise
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Isn't this match a stomp since Boruto is now 5-B?
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Coincidentally Mira got upgraded to 5-B as well. The value difference is slightly higher but Miras AD taking care of the AP gap was already considered in the vs thread when it went up
 
Speaking of Hashiras I'm removing this match up from Mori's profile
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Hashiras vs Mori Dan (2-9-0)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hashira https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mori_Dan Speed is not equalized (Mori Dan at base is around mach 539 while all the hashiras at base are around mach 2200. Both parties can further amplify their speed) Mori Dan at his Large Town level key...
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The multiplier mentioned in the thread got accepted alongside 2 more multipliers which not only throw Mori to a higher tier but also make him at least 9.5x faster and almost 1000x stronger.
 
This match should be removed.
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Tier 9-A Partners in Crime Tournament; Round 1 Match 7: Kamen Rider Shadow Moon and Kamen Rider Black Sun VS Berdly and The Queen (8-7-2)

Kamen Rider Shadow Moon and Kamen Rider Black Sun VS Berdly and The Queen Tournament Match Rules All are restricted to 9-A. Speed is equalized. Characters have their standard equipment. Battles take place at an empty dumpster. Combatants start 30 meters away from each other. Kamen Riders...
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Queen and Berdly got updated to 8-C, and that's a 9-A match.
 
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Johnny Test vs Akame (cause me bored)

The WWE purge CRT is taking its sweet ass time to conclude, so I feel like going back to my old roots by making a random JT match. I thought this one would be pretty cool to do ig, mainly because these two are named after the show they're in. Johnny Test (Johnny Test) vs Akame (Akame Ga KIll!)...
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Johnny Test vs Fil Necati (2 lucky toons)

Both of them are High 8-C and at base, Johnny has his equipment Speed is equalized so Necati doesnt blitz. Test: Fil: 7 (@Da3ggman, @RandomGuy2345, @ShionAH @Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Larssx, @Yaozin, @Barbar01 )
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These matches need to be removed. Johnny vs Akame is no longer valid due to Johnny being 6-C as opposed to 7-A, and Johnny vs Fil Necati is invalid due to Johnny's High 8-C tier being removed.
 
Okay so for Sukuna losses https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryomen_Sukuna#Losses

Theresia is 7-A, Sukuna cannot hurt her
Half Monster Garou is 7-C compared to 15/16 Finger being too low into Low 7-C to hurt him at all
The Hashira are no Longer High 7-C same with Muzan

I feel like at the very least Theresia and Half Monster Garou should be removed since Sukuna physically cannot win those fights
 
Mapl3Sy4up said:
Okay so for Sukuna losses https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryomen_Sukuna#Losses

Theresia is 7-A, Sukuna cannot hurt her
Half Monster Garou is 7-C compared to 15/16 Finger being too low into Low 7-C to hurt him at all
The Hashira are no Longer High 7-C same with Muzan

I feel like at the very least Theresia and Half Monster Garou should be removed since Sukuna physically cannot win those fights
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He has a dura neg attack he tends to spam lmfao
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
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Johnny Test vs Akame (cause me bored)

The WWE purge CRT is taking its sweet ass time to conclude, so I feel like going back to my old roots by making a random JT match. I thought this one would be pretty cool to do ig, mainly because these two are named after the show they're in. Johnny Test (Johnny Test) vs Akame (Akame Ga KIll!)...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

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Johnny Test vs Fil Necati (2 lucky toons)

Both of them are High 8-C and at base, Johnny has his equipment Speed is equalized so Necati doesnt blitz. Test: Fil: 7 (@Da3ggman, @RandomGuy2345, @ShionAH @Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Larssx, @Yaozin, @Barbar01 )
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These matches need to be removed. Johnny vs Akame is no longer valid due to Johnny being 6-C as opposed to 7-A, and Johnny vs Fil Necati is invalid due to Johnny's High 8-C tier being removed.
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sorry i giggled seeing fil necati in vs battle is so funny
 
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