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Versus Thread Removal Requests (New forum)

So your logic is every single fight has reasoning

Ah, kafka fight also has reasoning, so gg, end of the debate castorice
 
asta vs deku should be removed anyway

"This article is outdated and has missing or incorrect and unreliable information. A revision for it is underway. Please visit the verse's general discussion thread if you want to contribute to this effort."
By this logic remove every fight to be honest and wait until the manga ends and someone decide to do CTR
 
So your logic is every single fight has reasoning

Ah, kafka fight also has reasoning, so gg, end of the debate castorice
because 3 of the matches you brought upm were legit my versus matchups where i actively spent a while trying to find a matches where he doesnt blitz stomp. I had like over 10 fighters in mind and it all ended up being blitz stomps bro 😭. The kafka fight doesnt have a reason. he got statued by a 14x speed gap with no counters against it. He cannot land a hit at all under those stomp circumstances. This wouldnt be a problem if his blitzs were actually quantifiable multipliers.

Every Deku supporter and their mothers that joined the thread beg to differ. Even if he doesn't blitz or have to recharge for a bit longer, while he's having his speed amp, there wasn't anything Shin could do to get a hit on him. He has the tools for a wincon, but can it really be called a wincon if he can't use it in a meaningful way? Shin's damage reduction just made it become "An unstoppable force has a harder time fighting a practical stonewall that can only stonewall in said match".
Said Deku supporter was saying it came down to a battle of attrition and endurance btw (which it was after reading it). Deku was also hard diffing landing a hit on Shin as well this was even said by Deku supporters. Fa Jin was just the factor that gave him the edge to actually win the fight considering its only a 2x ap advantage.

asta vs deku should be removed anyway

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It only gets removed if the up-to-date profile changes the outcome of the fight.
 
Said Deku supporter was saying it came down to a battle of attrition and endurance btw (which it was after reading it). Deku was also hard diffing landing a hit on Shin as well this was even said by Deku supporters. Fa Jin was just the factor that gave him the edge to actually win the fight considering its only a 2x ap advantage.
Said Deku supporter also said that whatever Shin has can be avoided by Deku, and that the damage reduction and regeneration makes him tricky to be put down.
The main thing of that match was that Shin was more durable in more ways than one. But then he can't do anything else but be a damage sponge for Deku to eventually defeat rather easily. They were fairly confident Shin won't get a single hit on Deku while in contrast, Deku can **** him up in a multitude of ways. The only thing holding Deku back from having a rather fast stomp was the durability hax he has.

"It'll take a long time, but I personally believe Izuku can rise to the challenge and prevent himself from taking fatal injuries until he wins."
 
Said Deku supporter also said that whatever Shin has can be avoided by Deku, and that the damage reduction and regeneration makes him tricky to be put down.
The main thing of that match was that Shin was more durable in more ways than one. But then he can't do anything else but be a damage sponge for Deku to eventually defeat rather easily. They were fairly confident Shin won't get a single hit on Deku while in contrast, Deku can **** him up in a multitude of ways. The only thing holding Deku back from having a rather fast stomp was the durability hax he has.
The debate of that thread even by mha supporters were that Deku is also going to hard diff landing a hit on shin as well. There wasnt even a multitude of ways. It was Fa Jin. Fa jin was the one that gave him the edge stated by Deku supporters there. This is neither a blitz stomp or even a normal stomp. If this was a case then a rematch involving an argument (even though it was already stated it 7 times in thread) wouldnt be offered. Also we're derailing the page.
 
The debate of that thread even by mha supporters were that Deku is also going to hard diff landing a hit on shin as well.
A hard diff is when one character would struggle a whole lot and have a high chance to lose terribly, but have the necessary tools to squeeze out a narrow win (which is what Shin would've been if he won that fight). Deku taking a long time trying to take down a damage sponge of an opponent while the opponent has no way of even hitting him once is not a hard diff on Deku's end. This is not like Raiden vs Armstrong, it's like fighting a poorly designed raid boss with cheese that prevents the boss from doing anything at all, and the only thing it has going for it is its inflated hp pool and certain resistances to a player's kit.

There wasnt even a multitude of ways. It was Fa Jin.
Ways Deku can win
  • Flight and Outrange
  • Fa Jin Blitz and Amp
  • Blackwhip which dwarves Shin's LS
Which is three big advantages, and only the final one was adequately contested by us.

Fa jin was the one that gave him the edge stated by Deku supporters there.
Shin can't do anything but be slippery, and Deku can counter that very quickly.

This is neither a blitz stomp or even a normal stomp. If this was a case then a rematch involving an argument (even though it was already stated it 7 times in thread) wouldnt be offered.
It's a stomp (blitz or otherwise) because Shin has practically no wincons against Deku Tree. And with his arsenal, rematches would just give the same stompy response.

Also we're derailing the page.
We can probs discuss somewhere, if you like.
 
deku blitzstomps shin, maki zenin, iron man, OVA sonic
Deku didnt blitz stomp shin and already explained why
Deku didnt blitz stomp Maki. Gear shift wasnt even his main and barely mentioned win con as Deku in character doesn't use gear shift in that version and Maki had numerous arguments against him.
Deku didnt blitz stomp Sonic and its incredibly cooked to call it a blitz stomp when Deku isnt even allowed to do said blitz stomp when sonic was MHS and Deku was HS. Even then, Sonic had is OWN blitz amp to match Fa Jin and Deku was around higher than 2x stronger with fa jin. Sonic even had a one shot against Deku 😭
Deku didnt blitz stomp Iron Man. He was fighting against speed of light lasers that can one shot him. There are also 2 different ways in where this match can be redone with different conditions and same keys to restrict fa jin blitz and Deku would still end up winning unironically.
Me and @Kazuma_kuwabara already discussed the Asta Vs Deku fight already in DMs so thats settled.

We can probs discuss somewhere, if you like.
Nah its okay I dont think its a stomp but go cook. But Im gonna bump this since it got flooded

This match between Kafka and Deku should be deleted from the profiles: It's a stomp as the speed was not equalized between the characters and Kafka is over 13x times faster than Deku, which is not only far into the blitzing territory, but it heavily tips the scale in Kafka's favor for no reason whatsoever.
This match is a stomp
 
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Can someone remove all of his battles? Kirby and Rumplestilskin does not have any fights against him and Luke's profile if vastly different from when the fights were made, one of them is literally from 2018
 
Im requesting this match be removed from the profiles as its a stomp. https://vsbattles.com/threads/yuta-...kaisen-vs-frieren-beyond-journeys-end.182062/

Of the three people that argued for yuta, 2 agreed he has no win cons while mickey1940 was arguing based on information not accepted on the profile.
When I asked the fern supporters to list a possible wincon the answers was to either use domain expansion as his very first move or to change the coordinates of his barrier to entrap her. Both scenarios has the issue of yuta (nobody has ever even done the second one in verse and it still wouldnt work anyways since fern is 3x faster and can destroy the barrier) having never done that not even against sukuna.
Generally speaking however, if a character in a match has to perform or use techniques in ways they have never shown to do in order to possibly win, the chances of that match being a stomp are quite high.
 
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The fight was added when the reasoning is "Kota outranges" when the character is question is facing a character with more range, who is a coward and would run after seeing a child using a water attack and can summon Rider (a high 6-C character who is not even restricted in the fight) if necessary

The fight completely ignores any attempt of argument in favor of Shinji from my part, no rebuttal, nothing, and it was added while ignoring everything, they even claim that Shinji would beat up Physically when he never starts with that, he starts with range spam shadow attacks who again, has more range than Kota's water

The owner of the thread literally ignores this and does not even let me remove the fight, so I bring this here so an admin/mod can take care of that
 

The fight was added when the reasoning is "Kota outranges" when the character is question is facing a character with more range, who is a coward and would run after seeing a child using a water attack and can summon Rider (a high 6-C character who is not even restricted in the fight) if necessary

The fight completely ignores any attempt of argument in favor of Shinji from my part, no rebuttal, nothing, and it was added while ignoring everything, they even claim that Shinji would beat up Physically when he never starts with that, he starts with range spam shadow attacks who again, has more range than Kota's water

The owner of the thread literally ignores this and does not even let me remove the fight, so I bring this here so an admin/mod can take care of that
To simplify everything so this chat isnt flooded. The shadow at most has like 10 meters of range with an unknown value listed as it did no damage to an average human that used zero abilities and was deflected. Shinji also folded and froze in place scared after it did no damage to an average human even with prep time. The book also burns up quickly if Shinji uses it too much.


Case in point, the most weirdest thing to ever vandalize a page over
 
r it did no damage to an average human even with prep time.
To a 9-A guy you should meant, and even then, the child is 10-C, enough to one shot
Case in point, the most weirdest thing to ever vandalize a page over
I don't need to ask permisison to remove a fight that is wrong, even less when you decide debating and countering my points is irrelevant when the whole thread is giving wrong reasons like Shinji going melee against a child when by SBA he is gonna try to win, not to literally throw
zero abilities and was deflected
Ah yes, zero abilities, a 9-A with resistance to magic is deflecting magic
d. The shadow at most has like 10 meters of range with an unknown value
The shadow is tens of metters by his page, more than Kota's water, do a CTR if you are not happy with his range
 
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To a 9-A guy you should meant, and even then, the child is 10-C, enough to one shot

I don't need to ask permisison to remove a fight that is wrong, even less when you decide debating and countering my points is irrelevant when the whole thread is giving wrong reasons like Shinji going melee against a child when by SBA he is gonna try to win, not to literally throw

Ah yes, zero abilities, a 9-A with resistance to magic is deflecting magic

The shadow is tens of metters by his page, more than Kota's water, do a CTR if you are not happy with his range
Bro the Shirou who fought shinji is an entirely different shirou who fought kirei near the end of the route dude. Shinji’s own profile literally clarifies this in his AP section. This is literally why his shadows are unknown in ap. It did nothing to an average human.

By this logic, I can remove every single fight that I believe is wrong. You said your peace half way through the thread and no one agreed with your argument to change their vote. The video itself is a prime example of how cooked that win con was for it to even be mentioned.

Make a crt to get Beginning of the route Shirou to 9-A so Shinji’s shadows are 9-A (again his shadows are Unknown ap)
 
Bro the Shirou who fought shinji is an entirely different shirou who fought kirei near the end of the route dude. Shinji’s own profile literally clarifies this in his AP section. This is literally why his shadows are unknown in ap. It did nothing to an average human.
The shirou that fought shinji has 9-A durability for tanking Rider's casual kick and the fall from the third floor that in the novel would literally instakill any normal human, he is able to even survive said fall and die after just because he is losing blood

So what gives Castorice?
 
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By this logic, I can remove every single fight that I believe is wrong
Is the fight is literally ignoring how the characters fight and literally saying x character have x advantage when is untrue, you literally can remove it because it is outdated or is literal bullshit

And this fight is literal bullshit, a 9-A guy is reflecting an unknown AP magic attack and you are claiming is not even 10-B in the first place, that Shinji will go melee, that shinji is so incompent that will not summon rider(stomp btw) after seeing a water attack that Kota has to use to even defend himself, that Shinji would not run when he is a coward and did it against Shirou, and that shinji has less range, is literally non sensical
 
The shirou that fought shinji has 9-A durability for tanking Rider's casual kick
You realize Medusa could have easily just held back a ton right? Casual servants not goring tier 9s and 10s is pretty common.
The video itself is a prime example of how cooked that win con was for it to even be mentioned.
Going to note, you'd probably need to check the visual novel to be sure. The animes do shit like making Gilgamesh eat his own Enuma Elish where it ripped through his armor in the source material.
 
that shinji is so incompent that will not summon rider(stomp btw)
Not on the profile, it can't be used.

Also, Shinji hasn't shown to be able to teleport Rider at will IIRC, and that book can and will be taxed if he ***** around too much... which is of course how he LOST IT in the first place, because Shinji IS incompetent as all hell.
Basically, all this went down because using an outdated profile is a good idea! TWICE!
Not just outdated, outdated to the point where Shinji lacks basic magus shit on his profile.
 
Then remove it for THAT REASON, not some BS roundabout way.
That is another fight+ there are more reasons for the Kota fight+ this is not even BS reasoning when they are ignoring what the characters does in the first place and making up things, more than valid


Enough messages for me, waiting the admin/mod
 
That is another fight+ there are more reasons for the Kota fight+ this is not even BS reasoning when they are ignoring what the characters does in the first place and making up things, more than valid
Just say he can't summon Medusa at will. Like, she's not even standard equipment and summoning rituals take WAY more power than Shinji's got.
 
Oh, and speaking of which, Shinji can't summon Medusa at will. Not only is it not on his profile but it straight up never happened in the source material. So... he's fighting a 9-B when he's a haxless 10-B.
 
This does not follow the rules we have setup for non combat versus threads. It doesnt fit the requirement of having partcuilars of feats to discuss cause its 'aura farming' and there is no noteable disscusion about the partiuclars of those feats cause again its aura farming... This just doesnt fit the rules we have setup for this. Should we allow matchups added to profiles that are effectivtly just "who is cooler" with no quantiafble contest in sight? no.
Also there are charcters other then the two charcters in the matchup invovled. which is agasint the rules for this as well....
(yall if we keep making dumb non combat versus threads that push the limit we are going to get our fun taken away. please I am begging you.)

 

Nami won through her Happiness Punch due to prior knowledge

but Prior Knowledge doesn't change the fact that:
1. Happiness Punch is an obvious gag that shouldn't be applied to vs battles
2. Even if it is an actual ability, she's never used it against anyone relevant
3. Even if you argue that prior knowledge allows her to use it here despite point #2, the Happiness Punch works on both men and women, so prior knowledge should never be a factor since it works on literally everyone, yet she's never used it on anyone so why would she use it? Quanxi being lesbian doesn't change the fact that the Happiness Punch would still work on her even if she wasn't, yet Nami has still never used it against any of her opponents despite its effectiveness, so why would she use it here
4. Even if you assume all of the above is incorrect, SBA range means they all start in extended melee range due to this version of Nami not having ranged attacks at all ue to no Clima Tact, so Quanxi swinging her sword at Nami's neck is still faster than Nami stripping, which either forces Nami to block or she just gets beheaded

Nami would maybe if she started the fight naked and therefore doesn't need to manually strip to use the Happiness Punch, but I don't think that's what "prior knowledge" would entail here as it would be incredibly out of character to do
 
1. Happiness Punch is an obvious gag that shouldn't be applied to vs battles
It was used in a serious situation during Wano
2. Even if it is an actual ability, she's never used it against anyone relevant
She's used seduction and SI plenty of times
3. Even if you argue that prior knowledge allows her to use it here despite point #2, the Happiness Punch works on both men and women, so prior knowledge should never be a factor since it works on literally everyone, yet she's never used it on anyone so why would she use it? Quanxi being lesbian doesn't change the fact that the Happiness Punch would still work on her even if she wasn't, yet Nami has still never used it against any of her opponents despite its effectiveness, so why would she use it here
Because that's not her first move after she actually gets a weapon to fight with. In her first key she actually does use seduction and SI, its basically her only move at this point. Knowing Quanxi was gay would incentivize her into seduction
4. Even if you assume all of the above is incorrect, SBA range means they all start in extended melee range due to this version of Nami not having ranged attacks at all ue to no Clima Tact, so Quanxi swinging her sword at Nami's neck is still faster than Nami stripping, which either forces Nami to block or she just gets beheaded
Nami is very agile, this was discussed, Quanxi does not instantly kill her.
Nami would maybe if she started the fight naked and therefore doesn't need to manually strip to use the Happiness Punch, but I don't think that's what "prior knowledge" would entail here as it would be incredibly out of character to do
Its not really if Nami knows she has no chance of winning other than that
 
It was used in a serious situation during Wano
I don't remember her using it anytime other than the bath scene, which was an accident as the towel fell off unintentionally
She's used seduction and SI plenty of times
There's a difference between using her seduction to convince people, and actively knocking people out with her Empathetic Manipulation

Nami can't negotiate faster than Quanxi swinging her arm and beheading Nami off the spot. Even if she blocks, Quanxi has another sword and significantly more skill, so she's dealing fatal damage almost immediately
Because that's not her first move after she actually gets a weapon to fight with. In her first key she actually does use seduction and SI, its basically her only move at this point. Knowing Quanxi was gay would incentivize her into seduction
Again, she specifically needs the Happiness Punch here since any attempt at seduction just gets her head chopped off since Quanxi doesn't hesitate in character and just bumrushes. She obviously doesn't blitz cuz speed equal but the starting range means Quanxi can just swing her arm once and Nami loses
Nami is very agile, this was discussed, Quanxi does not instantly kill her.
If Quanxi gets close she just outskills of the bat, all of her attacks are kill moves, she has 2 weapons that she's massively more skilled at using compared to Nami's single bo staff, and she's also just generally more skilled anyways. Nami can't strip if both her hands are busy using her staff to block, as she definitely isn't dodging anything with Quanxi's skill level
Its not really if Nami knows she has no chance of winning other than that
Starting the battle naked would require prep time, not prior knowledge, as Nami doesn't normally start out naked on this site due to standard human decency
 
I don't remember her using it anytime other than the bath scene, which was an accident as the towel fell off unintentionally

There's a difference between using her seduction to convince people, and actively knocking people out with her Empathetic Manipulation

Nami can't negotiate faster than Quanxi swinging her arm and beheading Nami off the spot. Even if she blocks, Quanxi has another sword and significantly more skill, so she's dealing fatal damage almost immediately

Again, she specifically needs the Happiness Punch here since any attempt at seduction just gets her head chopped off since Quanxi doesn't hesitate in character and just bumrushes. She obviously doesn't blitz cuz speed equal but the starting range means Quanxi can just swing her arm once and Nami loses

If Quanxi gets close she just outskills of the bat, all of her attacks are kill moves, she has 2 weapons that she's massively more skilled at using compared to Nami's single bo staff, and she's also just generally more skilled anyways. Nami can't strip if both her hands are busy using her staff to block, as she definitely isn't dodging anything with Quanxi's skill level

Starting the battle naked would require prep time, not prior knowledge, as Nami doesn't normally start out naked on this site due to standard human decency
All of this is already addressed in the thread itself c'mon man
 
All of this is already addressed in the thread itself c'mon man
This is what I could get from the thread:

"A few words are enough to make Quanxi back down"
She has never demonstrated this against anyone ever besides random fodder marines and pirates, and especially not in direct combat. In all of her relevant interactions, she always either runs away and lets the rest of the crew handle it, or she beats people up with her staff (literally the only example I could find of this is against Miss Valentine, but that's also her literal only fight before fighting Miss Doublefinger). Every single time she used her social influencing, it was never in battle, and she just robs people and runs. If she does that here, she self BFRs cuz she's just running away.

"She used her Social Influencing against Lola"
only example given in the entire thread of her social influencing actually working on someone trying to kill her, and Lola is dumb enough to believe Nami is a man. Quanxi is significantly more intelligent than Lola, and she's also more intelligent than every single fodder character in One Piece that fell victim to Nami's SI. SI isn't mind control, smart enough people can just ignore it.
The entire story would go completely differently if her SI was good enough to actually work on everyone, even though it failed against Miss Doublefinger, Kalifa, Moria, Oars, Kuma, and literally every single person she's ever fought in the story. Nami has had multiple fights where SI was her only option, and it failed literally every single time besides Lola who is known to be unintelligent, so why would it work here?
We can analyze all of the SI examples on her profile:
Nami steals ship from pirates: She tricked them into thinking her chest was full of treasure. Obviously wouldn't work against Quanxi since she doesn't have a fake chest full of gold, nor does Quanxi care about it either
Nami pushes Johnny and Yosaku off the ship by tricking them: pretty sure if Quanxi's mission target asked her to turn around so she could strip, Quanxi's just gonna slice her in half cuz she's not stupid and it would be a completely nonsensical and illogical thing to say. You could argue that Nami's attractive enough to pull it off here since it wasn't a logical thing to say even in the moment, but again, if Nami is Quanxi's target, I highly doubt Quanxi would just sacrifice her mission just to let Nami strip. Again, unlike most of one piece, Quanxi isn't stupid and she's never been shown to let her lust get in the way of anything, while Johhny and Yosaku are significantly less intelligent and capable
Nami tricks Sanji into giving her free food: Sanji is a character who actively goes out of his way to entertain his own lust, even if it means dying in battle (see his battle against Kalifa and Mr. 2), this is a bad example
Nami gets a discount from Kureha: Here's an example where Nami doesn't even use seduction (and I don't think Kureha was oogling Nami at all during this arc), and it only worked cuz Nami had something extremely specific (key to the armory) that she can't really do here
Nami tricks weathermen into teaching her more about weather: Nami threatened to kill herself to repent, which no one would ever want... except Quanxi since she's actually trying to kill her
Again, Social Influencing isn't mind control. Prior Knowledge doesn't change the fact that Nami is Quanxi's target and therefore Quanxi will likely prioritize killing Nami over everything else.

"But Quanxi is gay"
again, the seduction works on everyone even if they weren't gay. But she's never demonstrated the ability to convince people smarter than the random fodder she encounters on a day to day basis.

SBA states:
In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

Quanxi is in a state where she sees someone, needs to kill them, and assumes they can kill her too. Why would she give Nami a chance to say anything?
Nami also doesn't have mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks, or superhuman charisma. Her ONLY tool is that she's hot, which isn't enough to prevent people from killing her (except against Lola, where she removed Lola's reason for killing her by calling herself a man, which just proves that Lola is stupid if anything)
Nami isn't Saul Goodman. Saul's is good enough to convince a psychotic man who resorts to violence and death regularly and threatened to "slit their throats and drag their tongues out through the slits" to just break each victim's leg. Nami's SI has never been this potent
 
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