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Likely nothing atm, most characters cant really scale to Garen either although a fair amount do, same with Ashe 9-A.
But most will be nowhere for now
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League of Legends Tier 8/7 Revision
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But most will be nowhere for now
Apollonir.Scale
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Should we write profiles that do not have a certain scale as unknown or outdated?
Most profiles outside of Demacia, Freljord, Noxus are outdated
Most profiles outside of Demacia, Freljord, Noxus are outdated
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Depends, if we are still planning to fix them ASAP it might be better just to leave em for now and we edit them when we figure out what to do with them
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I am compiling the arguments currently being discussed in this CRT for Catzflame.
We have not yet found any evidence that UES exists in LoL. So for now, other characters will not be scaled to Illaoi's Low 7-B feat. Only Illaoi's profile will be added as ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION.
Size calculations will be made for Malphite and Gallio, but we do not know if other characters will scale to this
Since Arcane has been declared canon and old stories contradict Arcane, some characters' LoL profiles will be deleted, leaving only their ARCANE profiles intact. Jinx, Vi, Jayce, Caitlyn, Ekko will only have Arcane profiles. Their previous profiles will be deleted. Heimerdinger, who does not have an Arcane-specific profile but whose story has changed due to Arcane, will have his profile written as Outdated for now. Or if there is a feat for Heimerdinger, we will change his profile according to his Arcane feats.
Blitzcrank, whose fate is unknown due to Arcane, has the following on his profile: ''Viktor was the inventor who created Blitzcrank in his old story. But in Arcane, which is currently considered canon, nothing is shown/implied that Viktor created Blitzcrank. Since his fate is unknown, he should not be used to upgrade or downgrade other League of Legends characters.
Characters that scale to Garen should be 9-A due to this accepted calculation. Fiora, Jarvan, Xin Zhao, Alistar and more
Aurelion Sol's erasure hax and 4th Wall Breaking Feat in LoR.
We have not yet found any evidence that UES exists in LoL. So for now, other characters will not be scaled to Illaoi's Low 7-B feat. Only Illaoi's profile will be added as ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION.
Size calculations will be made for Malphite and Gallio, but we do not know if other characters will scale to this
Since Arcane has been declared canon and old stories contradict Arcane, some characters' LoL profiles will be deleted, leaving only their ARCANE profiles intact. Jinx, Vi, Jayce, Caitlyn, Ekko will only have Arcane profiles. Their previous profiles will be deleted. Heimerdinger, who does not have an Arcane-specific profile but whose story has changed due to Arcane, will have his profile written as Outdated for now. Or if there is a feat for Heimerdinger, we will change his profile according to his Arcane feats.
Blitzcrank, whose fate is unknown due to Arcane, has the following on his profile: ''Viktor was the inventor who created Blitzcrank in his old story. But in Arcane, which is currently considered canon, nothing is shown/implied that Viktor created Blitzcrank. Since his fate is unknown, he should not be used to upgrade or downgrade other League of Legends characters.
Characters that scale to Garen should be 9-A due to this accepted calculation. Fiora, Jarvan, Xin Zhao, Alistar and more
Aurelion Sol's erasure hax and 4th Wall Breaking Feat in LoR.
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Talking about Malphite and Galio.. I think Malphite could have a "possibly Low 6-B" due to being part of a world rune or obelisk iirc, tho might just be my memory tricking me. Also, on the topic of size: We gotta calculate Skarner's gigantic size too. Like, he might dwarf Malphite rn
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Just few more things about this, Viktor currently doesnt have an Arcane profile technically either (outside of the splash). Likewise, same goes with Warwick/Vander so the two of them need "complete revamps." While someone like Caitlyn should probably just get a new key for second season since she physically contends with a lot of characters that scale to the 8-C feat
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so, i looked around the league profiles and based off whats in the thread i think these are all the profiles that need changing based off whats been accepted
9-A garen bridge feat:
Garen (did the feat)
Jarvan lV (practice fights a lot with garen, with garen admiting jarven is stronger)
Nocturne (low diffed garen + 4 duantless vanguard members as a nightmare manifestation, with garen getting saved by lux)
Fiddlesticks (as a primordial demon should scale higher than nocturne)
Lux (destroyed nocturnes nightmare manafestation)
Sylas (survived fighting against garen and jarven, with the two trying to kill him)
Fiora (in a fight with garen, it was stated that the duel would be in her favour)
Xin-Zhao (while weaker, could still clash with jarven)
Katarina (fights with garen constantly, with the two never managing to kill each other)
Talon (while weaker, could still fight on par with katarina)
Quinn (implied to have fought talon)
Galio (as the demacian superweapon, should be vastly superior to garen)
9-A Ashe feat (mostly covering profiles that were missed in the last revision):
Master yi (a crag beast killed by poppy was stated to be a match for him)
Wukong (a crag beast killed by poppy was stated to be a match for him)
irelia (cut off swains arm)
LeBlanc (her magic was strong enough to enchant rivens sword, which could withstand blows from darius)
Yasuo (fought on par with riven)
Yone (fought yasuo when he was alive)
Vayne (considered a threat by LeBlanc)
Scaling laid out in the op (i never played the game, so i cant comment on this)
Braum - already scales to the ashe feat
illaoi, miss fortune, ahri (can hurt weakened veigo who can hurt braum)
Gangplank (cut illaoi's tentacles)
Hecarim (tanked attacks from miss fortune)
Kalista (strong enough to fight hecarim)
Tahm Kench, Vladimir (fought Kalista)
Nautilus (fended off the black mist, which miss fortune and gangplank required help to do)
Zyra (views ahri as prey)
is there anything i'm missing here?
9-A garen bridge feat:
Garen (did the feat)
Jarvan lV (practice fights a lot with garen, with garen admiting jarven is stronger)
Nocturne (low diffed garen + 4 duantless vanguard members as a nightmare manifestation, with garen getting saved by lux)
Fiddlesticks (as a primordial demon should scale higher than nocturne)
Lux (destroyed nocturnes nightmare manafestation)
Sylas (survived fighting against garen and jarven, with the two trying to kill him)
Fiora (in a fight with garen, it was stated that the duel would be in her favour)
Xin-Zhao (while weaker, could still clash with jarven)
Katarina (fights with garen constantly, with the two never managing to kill each other)
Talon (while weaker, could still fight on par with katarina)
Quinn (implied to have fought talon)
Galio (as the demacian superweapon, should be vastly superior to garen)
9-A Ashe feat (mostly covering profiles that were missed in the last revision):
Master yi (a crag beast killed by poppy was stated to be a match for him)
Wukong (a crag beast killed by poppy was stated to be a match for him)
irelia (cut off swains arm)
LeBlanc (her magic was strong enough to enchant rivens sword, which could withstand blows from darius)
Yasuo (fought on par with riven)
Yone (fought yasuo when he was alive)
Vayne (considered a threat by LeBlanc)
Scaling laid out in the op (i never played the game, so i cant comment on this)
Braum - already scales to the ashe feat
illaoi, miss fortune, ahri (can hurt weakened veigo who can hurt braum)
Gangplank (cut illaoi's tentacles)
Hecarim (tanked attacks from miss fortune)
Kalista (strong enough to fight hecarim)
Tahm Kench, Vladimir (fought Kalista)
Nautilus (fended off the black mist, which miss fortune and gangplank required help to do)
Zyra (views ahri as prey)
is there anything i'm missing here?
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Well, a lot of stuff and calcs are being awaited so nothing should be changed yet, but the scalings above are all fine except for Zyra imo, i neither remember where that comes from and its kinda very vague.
Aside from Nilah, in LoR Kennen fights a skyscraper+ sized beast in his card art and level up so something can probably be worked out with that too
Aside from Nilah, in LoR Kennen fights a skyscraper+ sized beast in his card art and level up so something can probably be worked out with that too
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Weekly's ban is coming this month. He's said to be interested in LoL. We're waiting for him right now.
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God what did you guys do...
TFW almost every character has a Tier 7 feat or directly scales to one and yall are trying to downgrade them like this
TFW almost every character has a Tier 7 feat or directly scales to one and yall are trying to downgrade them like this
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welcome back dude
to summarize:
Most older calculations were reviewed and either got rejected or the scaling got revised to a point where the big feats dont scale to one another (like the malphite and veigo calcs)
there wasnt enough evidence for a UES, so stuff like the cloud calculations were scrapped as well (although i think this also has to do with the fact not many people were willing to go through 200+ pages of lore + cinematics)
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I saw, those rejections and scaling revisions are, for the most part, wrong.
If yall didnt want to go through the lore you guys could have at least asked me about these things you know : /
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Characters being argued as not scaling to Viego when there are two fully canon instances of two groups of characters fighting him is crazy.
Like we literally had an entire RPG where the point was fighting and defeating Viego
Like we literally had an entire RPG where the point was fighting and defeating Viego
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Crew of the charming lady does scale to a weakened Viego, i don't think anyone is arguing against that. As for sentinals they defo don't scale to him, they were litterally using his kryptonite to fight him, i mean Diana exchanged her weapon for a sentinal weapon just to stand a chance against him, also that would mess with the scaling by making everyone 4B.
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Viego in his weakened state performed a 7-B feat
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Are you talking about his shadow isles feat or bilgwater one ?
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The one where he caused an earthquake across the Shadow Isles by striking the ground with his sword
Theres also Maokai's 7-B forest feat, with them fighting Maokai as a mid-game boss, another mid-game boss being a Hextech user, Braum punching a mountain into rubble, and Pyke killing a sea monster large enough to swallow trade vessels whole and cause entire weather formations by surfacing.
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League of Legends: Maokai Makes a Forest ReReRecalc
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He wasn't weakened when he did that.
Maokai feat was rejected, i think i brought up the Braum feat once but idk how impressive it is, that was on RK trailers right, i forgot about that.
For Viego's bilgwater feat, Illoi says that if they don't stop viego there Bilgwater will be destroyed but i didn't bring it up cause of the UES stuff.
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He was yes, he had literally just awakened and explicitly hadnt reached his full power yet
Well time to reevaluate it now that is been updated, because there is no way that covering a country in plant matter in the span of a few seconds is only building level.
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Is his RK self comparable to him at that point ?
The uptaded version was rejected tho, bcs it broke the KE rules.
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Weakened Viego and Viego from the RPG are roughly the same level of power. Viego from the actual Ruined King event is him at full strength.
Can you link the comments where this was discussed? Because Maokai's feat is completely different from the God Tree feat, its not just making plants grow, its Maokai himself physically spreading out across the country.
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This was cgm's comment
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Yeah no, Rusty had no idea what was being calced or the context of the feat. Thats not an outright rejection, thats just not having context.
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Maaaaaaaaan
Cant have shit anymore
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Personally i think the sentinels scaling is fine because one could just argue the weapons made them stronger, in the same event we both saw the weapons not kill wights because they blocked the shots and Ruined Shyvana was too durable to be hurt when not hit in her mouth, so to say it ignores durability would be a stretch, likewise some of the sentinels took direct hits from Pantheon, Karma, etc etc, anyways thats all a topic for a different time.
In general there are 3 versions of Viego, one is him during Ruination where he was specifically amped by Vex, thats the 4-B one, there is regular Viego who did the shaking feat, and then there is the weakened one where he is "sapped by the buhru amulet" thing MF has and the crew would only scale to that one because i dont recall them ever fighting Viego when he wasn't affected by it, and even when he was it still took them all to beat him back so that would support the idea they dont quite rank compared to normal Viego.
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The Twisted Treant - Universe | League of Legends Wiki
Maokai is a rageful, towering treant who fights the unnatural horrors of the Shadow Isles. He was twisted into a force of vengeance after a magical cataclysm destroyed his home, surviving undeath only through the waters of life infused within his heartwood. Once a peaceful nature spirit, Maokai...
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Nightbloom (Short Story) - Universe | League of Legends Wiki
The chill wind whips through cracks in my bark with a hollow whistling sound. I shiver. My limbs have long forgotten the warmth of summer.
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Well at least its consistent that Maokai's attacks can oneshot wraiths to the point that they get turned to dust. These same wraiths can match the sentinels and people like Olaf
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Nah Vex didn't amp Viego's physicals, Vex made people more vulnerable to Viego's army (Horrowings) and she gained that ability only after being amped by the mist.
Well even before the amulet Th said Viego was not at full power yet so idk if that version of him is comparable to his second awakening.
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Sentinals scaling to 4B Viego ? I don't know man I think that just messes up the scaling.
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I dont think we should scale all the wraiths to the same level, there is a big difference in just what creature is being brought back but well presumably who is doing it too. I mean the same wraiths summoned during ruination that can block sentinel weapons are most definitely not on the same level as the ones from the Lucian/Thresh cinematic where he can just gun down an entire hoard of them. Which speaking of which i dont think a fodder wraith did anything to a sentinel ever, iirc Olaf specifically fought a giant kraken undead for example too
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I dont remember well enough what exactly Vex buffed except specifically the ruination, so i guess id have to read back up on it. But well either way the crew wouldnt scale to peak Viego in either way, since not full power.
I dont really think so, if the best argument is "we dont like it" then thats not really a proper argument. Not only do they all seemingly get new abilities but the event takes place over several months going by the journal. Its very easy to argue they either got amped up (which we literally see Vayne using magic in LoR level up for example) or they just got stronger. Some of them technically wouldnt even need to get stronger since they dont have concrete scaling to begin with
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Olaf was fighting Harrowing Wraiths during one of the Harrowing stories and only stopped because the kraken showed up (which funnily enough was calced at low 7-B from just how absurdly huge it was)
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Well yes but point is he was running them down more or less, and that seems to be the norm whenever anyone fights them. So since both Olaf and Maokai stomp them, its not really super concrete to say they scale to one another. Maokai could just be way stronger than Olaf is, but Olaf is still just strong enough to destroy them too. And well that only works if its both just regular harrowing ones (Which it should be but gotta mention it anyways)
But really was it that large? Again memory gap over here, mostly remember its tentacle being bigger than a house or something (Its been a while since i read the thing)
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Oh, almost forgot, Maokai and weakened Viego get Hextech scaling from Giffin and Miss Fortune's Queen's Council
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Fair, and yeah theyre both the same wraiths, the Harrowing is just the Shadow Isles extending into Bilgewater, its not the full Ruination amp
I can double check but iirc it was described as being large enough to swallow a ship whole
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They also fought and beat Ledros, who directly scales to Hecarim and has killed him multiple times
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Not all hextech should scale to the same point, especially Queen's council which was designed by MF's mom a legendary gunsmith and then made by MF who is likewise a brilliant gunsmith. MF goes through the entire game with Shock and Awe mostly anyways so scaling both to the same point would also be kinda absurd considering its her "ultimate upgrade" same way all other crewmembers have theirs.
Plus Hextech also doesn't really scale to much anymore really iirc.
Ye but just had to mention it, since there should be a difference taken between the two.
I can remember that for Pyke's thing just not the Kraken as much, still thanks for checking ofc.
Yeap this part is completely fine of course.
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Hextech on its own has like eight tier 7 feats. And its going to be a lot more prevalent with 2XKO going live soon.
Found the picture
As for the description
Shadow and Fortune: Chapter One
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"They'd berthed in Bilgewater, hoping to sell the carcass and strip it of battle trophies; vast teeth, black blood that burned like oil, and titanic rib-bones fit to roof his mother’s hall.
His fellow tribesmen, exhausted from the hunt, were sleeping aboard Winter's Kiss, but Olaf, ever impatient, could not rest. Instead, he took up his glittering axe and set to work in dismembering the colossal monster.
Finally he saw the beast’s inner maw, a ribbed gullet large enough to swallow a clan whole or crush a thirty-oar Longreaver in a single bite. Its teeth were chiseled fangs like obsidian boulders."
