It seems I cannot do that because I have not yet met the 500 messages requirement
and I doubt we are in any shared servers any ideas?
Updated it with some madness stuff, although I need to add scans
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You should mention his Phase 2 form of him returning to his Prime in power so he objectively got stronger.Updated an old profile I made for Bayle with the new scaling from consort Radahns meteor rain calculations, now time to make a profile for Gladius, guessing he’d be 7-A, likely 4-C, unless his everdark sovereign version has some crazy attacks that would give it a higher scaling
Bayle the Dread
I had a page for bayle I was working on before. It's a bit outdated but I think you could add some stuff from it https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Chritin060/Sandbox_3#Bayle_the_DreadUpdated an old profile I made for Bayle with the new scaling from consort Radahns meteor rain calculations, now time to make a profile for Gladius, guessing he’d be 7-A, likely 4-C, unless his everdark sovereign version has some crazy attacks that would give it a higher scaling
Bayle the Dread
You'd need to include the guidebook scan for that though.
I think this needs to be settled in the other thread before we move along with that tbh. Currently, my idea was that the Placidusax we fight in the base game (who should be relative to injured Bayle) is around 7-A still, scaling off his creation of the storm beyond time. However, if we accept Bayle returning to his prime during phase 2, then somehow we also have to have his weakened form downscaling off Low 5-B, which would then make injured Placi Low 5-B. I guess it could maybe work, since right after Farum Azula we fight Godfrey who also downscales off Low 5-B, but in my opinion it is still very weird and shouldn't work. There's also the fact that at that point you are looking at two levels of downscale, especially considering the possibility of applying arbitrary multipliers to it.
It's a bit rough, but that's how most souls games are. With the lack of direct interaction between characters beyond NPCs and our player, there isn't much space for scaling beyond saying "these group of characters scale to this because xyz". It's honestly difficult as well, since as has been the topic recently, upgrading any characters for different phases of their fights is incredibly difficult as it leads to downscaling issues that can easily pile up and ruin other aspects of viable scaling.
Well, tbf, thinking on the scaling what is the logic in scaling everything to Miquella's power during Radahn's ultimate move? Unless there's UES involved, Miquella generating a bright flash of light wouldn't cross scale to his other powers unless it uses a similarly large amount of energy.
Because you can block that attack and not die.
this.
You don't block the light, you block Radahn's slam which comes after.
The calc is for luminosity or how bright the light is. You'd have to show a UES first to scale that Luminosity to power. Generating a bright flash and then ramming someone are two different things.
You have to prove a UES. It's not up to me to justify why it shouldn't be used, you'd have to prove why it's usable.
Because he didn't use it on the enemy if it was supposedly exponentially stronger than the actual attack he uses instead.
The cross scaling is in the distinction between things like the Demigods, Lords, and Gods. Gods themselves in every instance attempt superior to the latter two. Marika is able to talk shit on Radagon for not being on her level, Eiglay already requires a special weapon to effectively hurt him and is predicted to one day grow so large he can consume the planet (more for gods being tier 5), Marika seemingly the only character who could beat the Fell God, etc. Hell, possibly one of the highest feat for the series once I get it calced will be Metyr's black hole, a feat preformed by someone who is in a weird position admittedly, but the fingers are often presented as godly figures. All in all, the cross scaling comes more from consistent representation rather than direct UES. It's the same reason why we use High 5-A across the multiple Great Ones in Bloodborne, as they are all relatively similar to each other with having control over celestial objects and creation of Dreams/Nightmares.
True, I didn't consider this portion. It's the same reason why we consider Radahn's gravity magic scaling to his other stats, since he can casually produce the energy that is used in his other gravitational sorceries.
Well, I'm not saying that cross-scaling doesn't make sense. There is an order of power that the series follows that we acknowledge as existing. Immortality is an easy example where we consider that divine beings like the Fingers or Gods require specialized weapons to actually damage or kill. It's why Marika made Hewg forge for hundreds of years until he could create a god-slaying weapon and why Ranni, despite her power, was still forced to use a Fingerslayer Blade to kill her two fingers rather than just blasting it with a Comet Azura or something. Someone like Miquella, Marika and the Fell God all scaling to each other wasn't really in question.
I'd say the Tarnished – Heolstor may be very strong, but I don't think he'd scale higher than the Elden Beast, the latter of whom the Tarnished beats in all endings.
I don't think he can even kill the the Tarnished due to their ungodly massive arsenal and also the fact that they can resurrect from Destined Death.
tarnished more skilled and just as powerful
eh I'd say heolstor should at least be equal to the elden beast considering his power (the night rune) did destroy the erdtree
Hawkshaw has a video covering her, but it gets into some super speculative areas at times.
I'll look into it. Mostly trying to figure out what the whole "weaving into the Scarlet Rot" thing is. The english is weird on that.
She combined another divine element into Scarlet Rot, which is why her Rot is a different color compared to Malenia and the sealed Scorpion God of Rot. The most common theory I've seen is that it's the Formless Mother, as the buds bleed when you hit some of them and the coloration of Blood would make Scarlet Rot pinker.
Well you can find the Sacred Relic Sword in Nightreign. Its possible Heolstor was the kne to breach the Thorn and slay Radagon in the NR timeline.
To follow up, I've also updated the magic for about half of the sorceries now. I was tempted to do Glintstone, but there's like twenty spells in that school and I don't want to miss anything on accident.
Do you think we should separate the sections by the point in the game, or at least label the abilities for which spell has it? Only cause if we're going to link to things on characters profiles, lets say the Tarnished, we are probably gonna have to identify which spells he gets for which stage of the game.
this plus the fact I feel like the Elden beast would try to do something about the dude destroying the entire erdtree and the golden order as a religion.
you forgot tarnished and also putting godfrey that low is a choice I gotta say
I don’t know why but Godfrey never felt as crazy strong as some of the others in lore, I’d say he’s certainly stronger than all the demigods, but slightly below placidusax and bayle, and when Malenia and messmer tap into the power of their respective outer gods, I feel like that would give them the edge over him, that of which cannot be proven ;(
It would probably be helpful. But I would say we should get the abilities down first and then separate the spells in a different section.
A sealed Messmer has the guidebook statement of being equal to all the other Demigods even with their Great Runes. So an unsealed Messmer is even more powerful. My head canon would be that Base Serpent Messmer ~ GoR Malenia. Also Melina if she is the GEQ.
This is super late but I am curious what the consensus on dark souls ratings are on this site now. I heard they were going to get downgrade hard.
