Hashiras vs Mori Dan (2-9-0)

[DavidTPPM]

@DavidTPPM do you think this matchup is a stomp? (So therefore, this match cannot be added)

I don’t think it's a stomp now. But like I said, I do plan on proposing an official multiplier and revising Moris speed (GoH speed is in a pretty bad state for anyone who's not MFTL+ due to a lack of calcs).

So technically even if this did get added to the profiles, it will most likely become outdated as soon as I stop procrastinating.

Catbowtie's tactic to avoid a loss record in the hashira profile

The classic vs wiki strategy of "either my character wins or they get stomped"

 

[Johner2133451]

I don’t think it's a stomp now. But like I said, I do plan on proposing an official multiplier and revising Moris speed (GoH speed is in a pretty bad state for anyone who's not MFTL+ due to a lack of calcs).

So technically even if this did get added to the profiles, it will most likely become outdated as soon as I stop procrastinating.

The classic vs wiki strategy of "either my character wins or they get stomped"

I can see Catbowtie keep asking you to make Mori mftl everyday so he can remove the hashira loss as soon as possible

 

[Passersby]

crazy when they have a significant advantage.

idk, "crazy" is under selling it if he actually managed to grow almost like 322M times faster out of nothing but fighting random dudes like you said he did

i didn't read the series, but it just feels like we're missing something here

edit: oh well

if he doesnt....sky rocket the speed ladder at the speed of light, this shouldn't be a stomp as far as i can tell

 

[DavidTPPM]

i don't know the context, but i'm fairly certain something something about removing the shackles imposed on him by the supreme gods has somethign to do with it

I think him breaking them is just the side effect of him powering up beyond what they can handle. Mori didn't use some secret technique to remove them or anything, he just kicked Satan and the shackles broke into pieces as he did it

bro is not randomly growing 250 thousand times stronger on a whim

This actually happens another time with Mujin (the main villain who Mori fights several times on equal terms). Mujin fights Satan, they're tied, Satan uses an all out 250,000x jeabongchim, and Mujin ends up blitzing him right after.

So this is actually pretty a consistent growth feat for the GoH top tiers.

 

[Passersby]

I think him breaking them is just the side effect of him powering up beyond what they can handle. Mori didn't use some secret technique to remove them or anything, he just kicked Satan and the shackles broke into pieces as he did it

and i said maybe breaking those off helped him power up.

Mujin fights Satan, they're tied, Satan uses an all out 250,000x jeabongchim, and Mujin ends up blitzing him right after.

okay so you're telling me they were tied, satan powersup. and Mujin who was equal to his base just a second prior is now randomly a blitz tier above him for....reasons.

i...either the author is incompetent or there is context missing here.

edit: whatever bruh, GOH is in my next to read list anyways.

i will see by then

 

[azontr]

In the case of Mujin he's specifically using more and more of Tathagata's power as time goes on, so that's a bit different since he's not actually developing because of an innate talent but continuously drawing more power from a greater source, but yeah the rest is just "haha AD"

 

[DavidTPPM]

idk, "crazy" is under selling it if he actually managed to grow almost like 322M times faster out of nothing but fighting random dudes like you said he did

i didn't read the series, but it just feels like we're missing something here

Well that 322 million value is directly based on current wiki values so technically it's probably less (not like "he actually only got 5x faster" less but definitely less than hundreds of millions)

But that is just how the wiki works rn. I personally much prefer using in-universe stated values and scaling chains but I get why the wiki is like this as well.

and i said maybe breaking those off helped him power up.

Well it seems he needed to power up to break them in the first place hence why I'm saying it's unlikely.

okay so you're telling me they were tied, satan powersup. and Mujin who was equal to his base just a second prior is now randomly a blitz tier above him for....reasons.

Yeah. Mujin here was just getting accustomed to new powers so his progress was extremely fast.

It's not like these people are just randomly getting stronger, there's usually explanation for it. Usually it's them getting used to some new power or finding a way to use that power, or in cases like Satan they just have insane potential.

edit: whatever bruh, GOH is in my next to read list anyways.

Definitely a good choice, the story is actually peak

 

[Passersby]

Well it seems he needed to power up to break them in the first place hence why I'm saying it's unlikely.

or just power up a little and gain enlightenment on something before the shackled get broken and you get stronger.


but welp, i will see when i read it 10 days from now after i finish my finals...

 

[LaserPrecision]

Idk at some point a feat is just a calc and not a blitz.

You see, the problem is the base speed of the character matters. If they're already lightspeed, the feat I gave of perception blitzing them from 50 kilometers away and throwing seven hundred thousand punches is at worst slower than their lightspeed, or at best, barely faster than their already accepted speed. Which is completely dishonest to how big the amp was shown to be. Literally the only time the calc would be accurate to the true scope of the increase is if the characters were human level since those are the assumptions used for calcs.

 

[DavidTPPM]

but welp, i will see when i read it 10 days from now after i finish my finals...

Good luck with your finals

 

[Catbowtie]

Just a small correction here. It's not like Mori will kick them 4 times, get 8x stronger, then kick them 4 more times and another 8x amp. After he catches up to their stats his growth will notably slow down.
For example with Jung, they had a pretty long fight where they were tied before Mori started to get ahead of Jung. Jung then used the 8x multiplier which forced Mori to grow faster in order to catch up.

So just like with Jung, as long as him and the Hashira are relative his growth will be present but much slower for as long they remain relative or inferior to him, and only get super crazy when they have a significant advantage.

Mori Dan is both stronger than the Hashira by 7x and slower than them by 4x. Would Mori Dan's AD work in that scenario?

Regardless, I think the Hashira's ability to dodge life-ending attacks are good, but not that good. Akaza was landing hits on Giyu. Kokushibo was landing strikes on both Gyomei and Sanemi. The Hashira were still getting hit by Muzan. The difference between those scenarios and this is that, if Mori Dan hits any of the Hashira except for Gyomei and Sanemi, they kinda just combust instantaneously. Couple that with none of them really being able to scratch Mori Dan due to the 7x Durability and his superior AnaPre, I really just see them dropping one by one until it's Sanemi and Gyomei left, which, Mori Dan out-skills them both.

And if somehow, someway, the Hashira are able to get Mori Dan to near death, correct me if wrong, but I'm pretty sure his AD kicks in and makes them stronger than the remaining Pillars, no? Or am I conflating Mori Dan and Garou together?

 

[Johner2133451]

Or am I conflating Mori Dan and Garou together?

Speaking of Garou, I may plan the Hashiras to fight him later (since both are large town level, Garou being 303 kilotons)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Mori Dan is both stronger than the Hashira by 7x and slower than them by 4x. Would Mori Dan's AD work in that scenario?

I don’t see why not.

And if somehow, someway, the Hashira are able to get Mori Dan to near death, correct me if wrong, but I'm pretty sure his AD kicks in and makes them stronger than the remaining Pillars, no? Or am I conflating Mori Dan and Garou together?

Yeah I think that's just Garou (and Saitama)

 

[Catbowtie]

I don’t see why not.

So, Mori Dan grows to have basically a 51x gap while being 4x faster than all of the Hashira except two, am I right?

How do you think the Hashira could win against Mori Jin, here? (Genuine question)

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Hashiras roasted, burned and uh what else?

 

[Johner2133451]

Grace is over. But if anyone willing to argue it's a stomp so therefore match can't be added, they can

 

[DavidTPPM]

Grace is over. But if anyone willing to argue it's a stomp so therefore match can't be added, they can

Well after this gets accepted (hopefully) the match will become outdated anyway so it's whatever

 

[Johner2133451]

Well after this gets accepted (hopefully) the match will become outdated anyway so it's whatever

Ask @Catbowtie to harrass staffs around lmao (so he can remove the loss matchup)

 

[Johner2133451]

Anyway, for those who's interested for a sequel

Hashiras vs Garou

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hashira#Notable_Matchups https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Garou Speed equalized Hashiras at their Large town level key (117 kilotons): Garou at his Large town level key (303 kilotons): Incon:

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