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i wonder what speaking at relativistic speeds sounds like
probably a tongue twister
(Ignore the stupid red arrows and circles lmao)
She heard it right before it was fired. The rest of the chant was covered up by the noise Sukuna made with debris. That said, she unironically could. We already treat her analytical prediction/precog as scaling far above her own speed IIRC. Kashimo heard the entire chant and barely dodged it (and has relativistic reactions for it)Also Maki manages to hear Sukuna chant for the WCS slash and dodge it, would she have Reli reaction speeds or?
(Ignore the stupid red arrows and circles lmao)
Yeah honestly I hate to say it but that really isn't reaction speed.All he does is point his hand and chant. He's not throwing up a bunch of hand signs
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You are right that his reaction speed justification is wonky. But this is just reaction speed. He points and speaks.
He doesn't turn around tho. He was already facing the attack. He just pointed at it and chanted.Yeah honestly I hate to say it but that really isn't reaction speed.
Chanting multiple words, turning around, and shooting out an attack is far more than what classifies as "reaction speed".
and that shit aint gonna do nothing seriousI know, I'm not saying they don't.
And Mori has accepted layered fear manipulation.
The only one whining about either of them was you.
Oh yeah right, how about you prove that lmaoThe moment Sukuna tries waving the hand sign and reciting the chant Mori is throwing his ass to space too lmao
"Never hitting another slash" Sukuna just goes for WCS if his slash gets no selled, or Maho one shotsYeah he just does it 99% of the time.
He either throws a slash which Mori nearly no-sells because of his 10x higher durability or dodges because of aimdodging, and Sukuna is never hitting another slash again.
Okay. so Sukuna just makes a BV to do the same thing he did to GojoIgnoring the obvious problem with eyes of truth helping a lot, Mori is ridiculously intelligent. He could decipher and counter abilities like sound based ignition point manipulation after seeing them used once even without his special eyes.
I think seeing an evil wizard chant a spell and point towards him would be more than enough to think "hmm maybe I should dodge".
Same thing.He doesn't turn around tho. He was already facing the attack. He just pointed at it and chanted.
I'm sorry but if taking a quick rap break mid attack, then extending your attack and launching your own attack isn't considered combat speed than what feat would be?And vs wiki doesn't consider talking as combat speed. Especially when in JJK it's stated the characters can talk at compressed timeframes faster than they can fight.
It's one quick movement. It'd be less movement than bending backwards to narrowly avoid an attack.Same thing.
That's just blatantly not reaction speed and the profile acknowledges it.
Yeah, because the profile has some things that are wrong. I already agreed combating Gojo shouldn't be under there. That doesn't mean EVERYTHING there was a mistake. The person who made the crt to add it even stated it should only be reaction speed due to it being one quick movement.Again the profile further proves my point. In the very same feat Sukuna lands a hit on Kashimo who supposedly has relativistic reactions. How if Sukuna's combat speed isn't that high? It should be statued by Kashimos reactions.
He can also land kicks and punches as well as block kicks and punches from Gojo who can do the same. That's literally impossible if either or both of them has/have thousands of times higher reaction speed than combat speed.
Never said it would. Well it probably disables any shadow not named Mahoraga and slows Raga down until it adapts but yeah, nothing significant.and that shit aint gonna do nothing serious
What do you want me to prove? That Mori isn't just going to watch Sukuna constantly resummon Mahoraga like a moron?Oh yeah right, how about you prove that lmao
Sukuna just gonna stand there ig?
Mori can see invisible shenanigans like spirits and whatnot and 10S are getting KOed by Mori's fear hax so those are useless.Not to mention good luck bfring ALL of 10S, who are invisible and will not stand still either
Maho just slices Mori in 2 frame 1 too btw
Just for it to get dodged."Never hitting another slash" Sukuna just goes for WCS if his slash gets no selled, or Maho one shots
You very much can. Fodders like mid-series Mira could predict where and when her enemy is going to teleport just off of smell alone.Okay. so Sukuna just makes a BV to do the same thing, he did to Gojo
Cant aim dodge something that has no indication of it coming, which is also much faster than Mori
Except for the whole talking part and releasing an attack part.It's one quick movement. It'd be less movement than bending backwards to narrowly avoid an attack.
Okay just a quick question then.Yeah, because the profile has some things that are wrong. I already agreed combating Gojo shouldn't be under there. That doesn't mean EVERYTHING there was a mistake. The person who made the crt to add it even stated it should only be reaction speed due to it being one quick movement.
I guess we can get a mod or open a qna, but I'm very certain talking has never been considered combat speed (Especially since again, in JJK, characters can chant in a compressed timeframe that's faster than they can fight. So we know chants > their combat speed already). Because talking in fiction is a free action 99% of the time.
Because all the reaction does is allow Sukuna to do one quick reaction. He could dodge one attack from Gojo, but would not be able to keep this upIf Sukuna has 15000x faster reaction speed not only in the "can narrowly duck an attack" style but a "can talk, move, and shoot attacks" style, how did Gojo hit him? How did Gojo react to him? Only logical explanation seems to be that he scales to his supposed reaction speed.
Is... that how reaction speed works??Because all the reaction does is allow Sukuna to do one quick reaction. He could dodge one attack from Gojo, but would not be able to keep this up
If that's how we treat it then it doesn't really help him here.Because all the reaction does is allow Sukuna to do one quick reaction. He could dodge one attack from Gojo, but would not be able to keep this up
assuming shadows can feel feardisables any shadow not named Mahoraga and slows Raga down until it adapts but yeah
that he can stop Sukuna from summoning Maho backWhat do you want me to prove? That Mori isn't just going to watch Sukuna constantly resummon Mahoraga like a moron?
Okay he can see shadows, goodMori can see invisible shenanigans like spirits and whatnot and 10S are getting KOed by Mori's fear hax so those are useless.
Maho's slash is layered the same as Sukuna's, as not even Gojo could react to it/see it, so skill doesnt matterAnd Mahoraga isn't landing a hit on Mori with that ginormous skill gap.
Sukuna has Mid regen with inferior but comparable speed of regen to Gojo, he can regen such injuries in a flashJust for it to get dodged.
And that's assuming Mori doesn't just rip Sukunas hands off before he could pull it off since we're talking about a one shot AP gap with class Z LS behind it.
Scans?You very much can. Fodders like mid-series Mira could predict where and when her enemy is going to teleport just off of smell alone.
And Moris clone with the fiery red eyes could read the exact location where his opponent is going to teleport in a giant open field with absolutely no indicators.
Sukuna does not actively start with h2hTho it wouldn't be necessary anyway because Sukuna isn't lasting long enough for it. He actively starts with h2h combat where he'd get skill-checked and one tapped.
also bro where are you taking this 10x gap fromHe either throws a slash which Mori nearly no-sells because of his 10x higher durability or dodges because of aimdodging
We don't assume characters have immunity to abilities they weren't affected by them.assuming shadows can feel fear
Given Sukuna starts off with cqc and Mori is primarily a cqc he's going to be constantly in-range.that he can stop Sukuna from summoning Maho back
sukuna just needs a simple handsign
They're sentient beings "similar to curses" which do feel fear.Okay he can see shadows, good
why would 10S get fear haxxed lol? they're all just summons who act on what Sukuna commands them to
They arent shown to feel fear, they're like weapons
"Not even Gojo" as if Gojos prediction skills were anywhere near your average GOH fodderMaho's slash is layered the same as Sukuna's, as not even Gojo could react to it/see it, so skill doesnt matter
People fr be lying because I didn't "just say skill bro" I gave you an explanation and mentioned multiple feats for why he'd just predict it.People fr just be saying "skill bro" like it justifies anything
Yeah and in the same flash Sukuna gets punched/kicked through the faceSukuna has Mid regen with inferior but comparable speed of regen to Gojo, he can regen such injuries in a flash
Here for the Mira thing and here the clone thing. It's mentioned in his Jin profileScans?
What's the difference?And Gojo, who knew Sukuna's kit prior to that, who also has six eyes, couldnt see it coming
Predicting where someone tps isnt the same as dodging a no indication invisible slash
Pretty sure Sukuna started most of his fights with h2h combat.Sukuna does not actively start with h2h
Depends on the opponent and situation. If he's fighting an innocent civilian forced to fight him he wouldn't.and does Mori insta go for the kill?
Yeah but Mori isn't just going watch Sukuna run away. I mean why would he, Mori's entire kit here is martial art based except for Yeoui and even that he prefers to use at close ranges if possible.ripping limbs or something will just make Sukuna gain distance summon 10S and do wcs
Yeah who's 6.37 megatons while Sukuna is 0.55 megatons or about 11.6x weaker. Martial arts are a 3x boost which makes it around 35x. And his transformation is another >48x amp which makes it around 550x difference directly and with martial arts about a 1667x difference if Sukuna takes a direct blow.also bro where are you taking this 10x gap from
isnt this first key Mori?
They dont have to be immuneWe don't assume characters have immunity to abilities they weren't affected by them.
Why didnt they feel fear from Gojo, and no they dont, they will jump in to die instantly no hesitation if Sukuna commands them toBut that aside their invulnerability comes directly from their similarities with cursed spirits and we see curses like Mahiti and Jogo very much do feel emotions and Mahito was very visibly afraid of Yuji. So by the same logic why they have invulnerability they also feel fear.
He doesntGiven Sukuna starts off with cqc
Even if he started with it, does not mean he will continue to engage in it as he would be getting skill stompedMori is primarily a cqc he's going to be constantly in-range.
in advance respond to this and the belowAnd the second Sukuna isn't focusing entirely on avoiding his attacks Mori one-taps him. Trying to perform "a simple handsign" is a suicide move.
he is literally barely stronger than Sukuna pre ADYeah who's 6.37 megatons while Sukuna is 0.55 megatons or about 11.6x weaker
They're not truly sentient, they obey what Sukuna orders them to doThey're sentient beings "similar to curses" which do feel fear.
Its about's Gojo's perception, he can see and sense cursed energy on atomic lvl, can perceive stuff kms away, can understand people's techniques instantly, can see ce sparks, can perceive a year in a second and all that stuff and still didnt manage to dodge WCS or sense it"Not even Gojo" as if Gojos prediction skills were anywhere near your average GOH fodder
In that section you didnt explain thoPeople fr be lying because I didn't "just say skill bro" I gave you an explanation and mentioned multiple feats for why he'd just predict it.
dodges with superior reactionsYeah and in the same flash Sukuna gets punched/kicked through the face
Bro that's not predicting TPs, that's smelling the guy once he tps and then reacting to him lmaoooHere for the Mira thing
that's more impressive, but still predicting where someone will appear isnt exactly the same as dodging an invisible slash with no indication of it being castand here the clone thing.
You can assume where the person wants to tp and you know when they do it since they visually disappearWhat's the difference?
Both teleportation predictions and invisible slashes have no visual indicator and can only be predicted by the users intentions.
already addressed that but i also wanna say Sukuna touching mori means he can cleave him into pieces, cleave adjusts to dura + slicing attacks massively upscale from Sukuna's physicals to begin withPretty sure Sukuna started most of his fights with h2h combat.
He wouldnt ofc, but Sukuna can start spamming walls of dismantles to prevent that from happeningYeah but Mori isn't just going watch Sukuna run away. I mean why would he, Mori's entire kit here is martial art based except for Yeoui and even that he prefers to use at close ranges if possible.
are any of those multipliers accepted? im not seeing shi on his profileMartial arts are a 3x boost which makes it around 35x. And his transformation is another >48x amp which makes it around 550x difference directly and with martial arts about a 1667x difference if Sukuna takes a direct blow.
Why would they be? Last time I checked they don't share his abilities nor are they just flesh puppets that Sukuna transfers his mind to.They dont have to be immune
they will just be the same as Sukuna
Because Gojos presence doesn't break your mind and knock you unconscious, Mori's does.Why didnt they feel fear from Gojo,
Yeah he disposes of fodders with dismantles but that's not really the case against actually strong opponents unless he's dick measuring with them (like throwing fireballs at Jogo). But most importantly, even if he doesn't go directly into h2h he doesn't just lurk away from the opponent spamming long range attacks. He likes to actually engage with them, especially when they're strong (hence why he disposed of fodder by just using dismantle but he actually engaged people like Mahoraga and Gojo h2h) and primarily use cqc themselves.He doesnt
He starts with dismantle against Ryu
He starts with dismantles against Yuji and Higuruma
He starts with dismantles against Kusakabe
He starts with dismantles against Mahoraga
He starts with 10S against Yorozu
He technically started with dismantles against Jogo
He disposed of Mahito with dismantle
Sukuna doesnt always start with cqc
Problem is the h2h combat ends as soon as it starts because of the stat gap.Even if he started with it, does not mean he will continue to engage in it as he would be getting skill stomped
And Mori can jump towards him or just grab and hold him to stop that since he has a massive LS advantage.Sukuna can air jump away to gain distance
SBA assumes the strongest version of a character. Mori here is only restricted to his first key not his first value so he's at his post-AD value.in advance respond to this and the below
he is literally barely stronger than Sukuna pre AD
796kt vs 550+kt
the difference is pretty small
like what are you talking about
Doesn't make them not sentient.They're not truly sentient, they obey what Sukuna orders them to do
Yeah but none of that has anything to do with his ability to predict it. If his senses can't detect it, it doesn't matter how good or bad they are, it won't help predicting them.Its about's Gojo's perception, he can see and sense cursed energy on atomic lvl, can perceive stuff kms away, can understand people's techniques instantly, can see ce sparks, can perceive a year in a second and all that stuff and still didnt manage to dodge WCS or sense it
Yeah he'd have to aim dodge it.and again WCS is also much faster than Mori here
Maybe not in that specific comment (ngl I'm too lazy to go check) but I explained it in this thread already.In that section you didnt explain tho
Just to get hit with another kick, a giant shockwave, or just Yeoui expanding dozens of kilometers.dodges with superior reactions
No? Myoong (the teleporter) didn't just teleport to a spot and stand still lol. After Mira hit him the first time we see he spammed teleportation all around her and Mira just predicted when he teleported in front of hr and timed her punch accordingly.Bro that's not predicting TPs, that's smelling the guy once he tps and then reacting to him lmaooo
I'd say it's actually way more impressive. Not identical ofc but similar enough and more impressive.that's more impressive, but still predicting where someone will appear isnt exactly the same as dodging an invisible slash with no indication of it being cast
Like I said the fight isn't even going to last long enough for Sukuna to think about doing that.You can assume where the person wants to tp and you know when they do it since they visually disappear
However knowing when Sukuna decides to do the BV is harder to read
and that's all while Mori could be fighting 10S
or even be inside of the domain
Yeah but touching Mori is pretty much impossible since Mori is going to be reading Sukunas moves like an open book.already addressed that but i also wanna say Sukuna touching mori means he can cleave him into pieces, cleave adjusts to dura
This seems like something that'd only work if Mori already hit Sukuna, Sukuna survived and realized he must avoid h2h combat, and managed to run away.He wouldnt ofc, but Sukuna can start spamming walls of dismantles to prevent that from happening
All of them are actually. The >48x is on the verse page and the 3x multiplier for general renewal and 3SK are accepted here.are any of those multipliers accepted? im not seeing shi on his profile
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That's the issue, all of that hinges on Sukuna entering a hand-to-hand interaction with Mori and survivng. Mori doesn't possess CE which would likely stur and excite Sukuna like Maki did and draw him into combat. Sukuna as it is highly prefers CQC combat and I don't think he's ever started an encounter without a short h2h exchange.Can Mori kill Sukuna before a domain pop or Gojo level World Slash? Sukuna isn't above responding to legit threats in kind (prepped for Gojo and began pretty early with a domain after the HP) so I'd wager one of those two come out pretty early.
As for hax, Mori doesn't have too many notable ones outside of his Information Analysis, 2 Layered Fear Manipulation, Accelerated Development, Instinctive Reaction, Limited Dura Neg, BFR and I guess Analytical Prediction. There are some other ones that I'm leaving out I think but here are someI've seen Mori apparently has the better skills/stats and can send people to the moon, what are his other notable hax?
kkI don't think we need to argue further, the matchup already hit grace for Mori.
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