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Jin Mori vs Kokushibo (7-2-0)

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Great, Mori has fought someone like Satan, who can do pretty much exactly that, so this should be a piece of cake for him.

Didn't bro do this like far later into the story?

And doesn't this just make them equal anyways?
GOH Part 2 character feats, nice.

GOH has people who won't die or flinch even if you pulverise their brains, stab their hearts and melt their organs because they literally won't die unless decapitated with a very sprcific metal and can literally ignore every other attack you throw at them and end you?
The fight would likely end before there's even a chance to use it as an advantage.
Maybe

Then they no better than Dean when it comes to learning.
Huh.

No? Especially when you pull it off with pure skill alone.

"Skill" you mean experience?

He has enough experience to copy skills or enough talent to do it, or a culmination of both, idk if skill has anything to do with it.


But can they do it instantly without needing any training, just like Dean?

They did learn breathing forms pretty damn fast, but that may be because they're easy to learn and hard to master.

Suffice to say they don't have enough showings to conclude that, however.


Part 2 mori feats.
As in bro can make a fighting style complex enough that the best talents in centuries can't learn it and then master it in like a couple of weeks?
But did he do it to the point where someone with instant-copy abilities had to practice it more than 3 million times just to use it?
Nope.

Honestly, I don't understand how that could possibly top Mori naturally achieving the Recoilless kick. Like, I've told you everything about why Mori's feats are so much more impressive, but you’re still saying they aren't.

Never said it tops it, I said his talent shouldn't be MUCH worse considering what he achieved in like a month or so.

I guess considering the context David gave, the only thing that would be comparable to that is Yoriichi casually unlocking the STW as a kid or smth?
 
This just sounds like arguing numbers. Kokushibou's unironically comparable to several Hashira who are also superior to dozens of demon slayers. Like does it really matter?
i mean yeah, I just using that to support how effective Renewal Taekwondo is.
 
like I said, I’m just using that to support how effective Renewal Taekwondo is.
All we get is the same place you started kinda. Maybe I didn't read the original point of this but it seems useless with Akaza's feat in mind is all.
 
and an entire military platoon consists of 10-50 people with only specialized ones reaching 100? i don't think you understand what a platoon is.
I guess so. To be honest, I know nothing about the military lol.

But whatever, I don't think we'll get anywhere even if we keep arguing about it.
 
All we get is the same place you started kinda. Maybe I didn't read the original point of this but it seems useless with Akaza's feat in mind is all.
Ahh, I wasn't even arguing about whether Akaza feats were better or not at first. But since Machmatej brought it up, I responded.
 
Ahh, I wasn't even arguing about whether Akaza feats were better or not at first. But since Machmatej brought it up, I responded.
All we get is the same place you started kinda. Maybe I didn't read the original point of this but it seems useless with Akaza's feat in mind is all.
and an entire military platoon consists of 10-50 people with only specialized ones reaching 100? i don't think you understand what a platoon is.
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Actually for Yeouis expansion AP we do put varies.
Tho the multi stellar LS is outdated. It's just class Z for this Mori (still bajifuckillion times higher than Kokushibo but not nearly as impressive as multi-stellar. Not in this key at least)
You guys cast your vote?
 
I'm sorry if I miss someone but it's getting pretty difficult to respond to so many comments. Also feels redundant to reply to what's already been addressed but I miss anything just tag it pls.
Didn't bro do this like far later into the story?
Actually much earlier. This key covers up to around chapter 365ish and Mori fights Satan in 292.

Mori gets depowered around chapter 300 hence why this key is only tier 7 despite him earlier being tier 3
And doesn't this just make them equal anyways?
Uhhh not really? Mori pretty much skill slammed Satan with it being specifically said to be because he mastered all kinds of techniques and experience gaps him.
GOH has people who won't die or flinch even if you pulverise their brains, stab their hearts and melt their organs because they literally won't die unless decapitated with a very sprcific metal and can literally ignore every other attack you throw at them and end you?
Not even remotely what M2 implied (although yes GoH literally has high godly regen lmao). He was saying that not having weak points is something even early GoH characters (within the first 60 chapters) have.

Mind you these same people knew Mori's martial arts and exactly how to counter them even better than mori himself and yet he ended up out skilling the opponent through sheer adaptation.
"Skill" you mean experience?

He has enough experience to copy skills or enough talent to do it, or a culmination of both, idk if skill has anything to do with it.
Culmination of both.
He's always been extremely talented. He started copying his grandfathers moves literally the second he stood up after being "born" but he expanded upon these by training and fighting basically nonstop for millions of years.
They did learn breathing forms pretty damn fast, but that may be because they're easy to learn and hard to master.

Suffice to say they don't have enough showings to conclude that, however.
Point here is, Dean is ridiculously cracked in terms of talent. Like insta-learn any martial art and even hax like spiritual gravity manipulation cracked. Technically said ability is even considered conceptual on here rn.

And yet not only did he fail to learn recoiless but it took him 3 million attempts to replicate a single kick on that level while he actively watched replays of it being performed using time hax.
As in bro can make a fighting style complex enough that the best talents in centuries can't learn it and then master it in like a couple of weeks?
Best talents in centuries is very hard to actually twist into anything useful crossverse because that could just make the characters in the verse talentless compared to the other verse.
 
Anyway honestly this entire discussion was basically just about whether Mori stomps or not. So far nothing has been given that'd even let Kokushibo decisively win.

He's not skilled enough to in win cqc, he can't get past Yeoui at long range, and if the fight gets prolonged Mori just stat gaps.
From what I'm reading even if I agree with the Kokushibo side on everything, the best end result would still just be them inconning up until Mori eventually out grows him enough to crush/BFR him (or until sun comes out and toasts Kokushibo). And even that's not mentioning how much of a cockroach Mori is (slicing or stabbing him is not doing anything unless you straight up leave a fatal wound like decapitation)

So you can also mark me down as voting Mori. As much as I don't like the win cons at hand, I don't see Kokushibo getting a killing blow on Mori before Mori either pulls off his win cons or grows too strong for Kokushibo to have a chance anymore
 
So far, Mori's main win con is the staff?
Yeoui and eventual AD stat jumping.
While Koku can out stamina him?
Mori's stamina is actually pretty cracked too. Both in terms of taking damage and just fighting for a long time.

Of course it pales in comparison to Koku's infinite stamina but the point I'm going for is that Mori will sooner AD stat-stomp than run out of juice.

Plus Mori rests super quickly. He fought entire armies for like days straight and then rested up to fight Satan in what seemed liked 1-2 minutes. So hypothetically Mori could just extend Yeoui and go chill at the top for 5 minutes and get down fresh
 
Actually much earlier. This key covers up to around chapter 365ish and Mori fights Satan in 292.

Ohh, I see, I just remember Satan as some bs cosmic entity or smth..

Mori gets depowered around chapter 300 hence why this key is only tier 7 despite him earlier being tier 3
...I was right

Uhhh not really? Mori pretty much skill slammed Satan with it being specifically said to be because he mastered all kinds of techniques and experience gaps him.

Idk if Koku can skill slam, but i doubt it, so he should be more skilled.

(Than Akaza I mean)

Not even remotely what M2 implied (although yes GoH literally has high godly regen lmao). He was saying that not having weak points is something even early GoH characters (within the first 60 chapters) have.
...That, uhh, ain't what I meant, by "no weakpoints", what i tried to say is they will face tank every attack you throw at them, ignore it, and aim for the kill, because they have no reason to respect your threat and block.


Like why would Koku care about Mori punching him or block it, instead of slice him in half and taking it like a champ?
Mind you these same people knew Mori's martial arts and exactly how to counter them even better than mori himself and yet he ended up out skilling the opponent through sheer adaptation.


He fixed the martial art to not have them iirc, bro is a monster lol.
Culmination of both.
He's always been extremely talented. He started copying his grandfathers moves literally the second he stood up after being "born" but he expanded upon these by training and fighting basically nonstop for millions of years.

Good to know lol.

Point here is, Dean is ridiculously cracked in terms of talent. Like insta-learn any martial art and even hax like spiritual gravity manipulation cracked. Technically said ability is even considered conceptual on here rn.

And yet not only did he fail to learn recoiless but it took him 3 million attempts to replicate a single kick on that level while he actively watched replays of it being performed using time hax.

So assuming 1 kick per 5 seconds for 3 hours everyday, that is like 4 years worth of effort.

Assuming 12 hours, one year.

assuming 24/7, half a year of constant practice.

Holy.
Best talents in centuries is very hard to actually twist into anything useful crossverse because that could just make the characters in the verse talentless compared to the other verse.
True, but in a verse where skill bs like Akaza's early teen feats and his passive abilities existed, it should be worth smth lol.


Tho generally there is a lot I can say...which idk if i already did, but uhh, people started voting already...
 
voting kokushibo
I'm curious, what exactly is the argument for him winning?
So far we've just been discussing whether Mori wipes the floor with him but even assuming everything positive towards Kokushibo that doesn't really point towards him winning.

I might have missed it among the countless messages tho
 
I'm curious, what exactly is the argument for him winning?
So far we've just been discussing whether Mori wipes the floor with him but even assuming everything positive towards Kokushibo that doesn't really point towards him winning.

I might have missed it among the countless messages tho
Hitting Mori with a surprise danmaku attack, always initiating 11 or so attacks per sword swing that all surround the target in close range, plethora of long ranged options, growing thorn like sowrds across his body so he can't be punched or kicked without Mori getting punctured, Danmaku attacks if Mori gets close, ignoring Mori's attacks and just slashing him in half, trading flesh for bone, etc etc.
 
Hitting Mori with a surprise danmaku attack,
Ngl I don't see danmaku getting past the recoiless space bending. I mean we specifically see it counter danmaku in an omnidirectional fashion.
always initiating 11 or so attacks per sword swing that all surround the target in close range, plethora of long ranged options, growing thorn like sowrds across his body so he can't be punched or kicked without Mori getting punctured, Danmaku attacks if Mori gets close, ignoring Mori's attacks and just slashing him in half, trading flesh for bone, etc etc.
I mean all of this requires Mori getting hit in a way that insta kills him without Mori recoiless blocking, blocking with an omnidirectional wind manip, or just making an impenetrable shield by expanding Yeoui.

Basically feels like you're saying Mori can't land direct enough hits because they're too close in skill but Kokushibo would somehow land direct blows despite that.
 
Ngl I don't see danmaku getting past the recoiless space bending. I mean we specifically see it counter danmaku in an omnidirectional fashion.

If one ain't enough, just use more, and then more, and then more, until bro just can't kick.
I mean all of this requires Mori getting hit in a way that insta kills him without Mori recoiless blocking, blocking with an omnidirectional wind manip, or just making an impenetrable shield by expanding Yeoui.
Which unless he somehow manages to react fast enough to koku not caring about his attack in the slightest and then slashing at him with a sword + 10 or so projectiles, he kinda dies.

Unless he can somehow cancel and perform the kick fast enough to block, or always use that kick to block the danmaku slashes alongside the sword coming at his face, idk bro, there is also the fact that he can't hit him without taking damage and koku being able to spam crescent moon blades from the swords protruding out of his body, so if Mori tries to attack he loses a body part if he doesn't cancel mid way.

The only way he wins is if he develops enough to not need to care about those.
Basically feels like you're saying Mori can't land direct enough hits because they're too close in skill but Kokushibo would somehow land direct blows despite that.
No, because koku has literal swords protruding out of his body with which he can throw projectiles at will, and every slash of his throws said projectiles 2.

Mori can genuinely not him at all, and i can see Koku landing a lethal attack before Mori develops enough to counter.
 
If one ain't enough, just use more, and then more, and then more, until bro just can't kick
Yeah but like I said the problem is that Moris AD will have him statueing Kokushibo long before he runs out of juicing. Prolonging the fight is just extending the stat gap.
Which unless he somehow manages to react fast enough to koku not caring about his attack in the slightest and then slashing at him with a sword + 10 or so projectiles, he kinda dies.
Mori fought tons of people with regeneration. He's going to realize what's up more than soon enough.
Unless he can somehow cancel and perform the kick fast enough to block, or always use that kick to block the danmaku slashes alongside the sword coming at his face, idk bro,
He just blocks the sword and the space bending deletes the danmaku around him.
there is also the fact that he can't hit him without taking damage and koku being able to spam crescent moon blades from the swords protruding out of his body, so if Mori tries to attack he loses a body part if he doesn't cancel mid way.
That gets countered by honestly so many things it's crazy.
Yeoui is straight up effectively invulnerable here so hitting that with a sword just shatters the sword.
Recoiless breaks the swords with the spatial bend.
And anything else just gets carried by wind manip. Mori copied and implemented barehanded swordsmanship into his fighting style which means he can clash with swords barehanded as if his hands were swords.
The only way he wins is if he develops enough to not need to care about those.
Which is going to eventually happen.

Plus mere stab wounds and slashes are nothing. Like I said Mori is a cockroach when it comes to surviving wounds. Taek porcupined him with giant blades and Mori kept beating his ass anyway.
His clone who he should be at least comparable to kept fighting even with all 4 of his limbs missing.

Unless Mori takes an insta kill attack he'll keep fight and keep growing stronger.
 
I have been sleeping.

Yeah but like I said the problem is that Moris AD will have him statueing Kokushibo long before he runs out of juicing. Prolonging the fight is just extending the stat gap.
Maybe?
That is assuming he even lasts that long.

Mori fought tons of people with regeneration. He's going to realize what's up more than soon enough.
"Soon enough" is just an empty description, it says nothing about the consequences it will have, how he will do it and how he can deal with it, the only attack he has to even mitigate the damage going to be done with the plethora of attacks coming his way is that single kick, and no matter how skilled you can't fight an opponent who can simply ignore your threats and attacks to aim for the kill, manifest projectiles out of his body at will and grow sharp swords from where he can send out blades that will cut you in half if you approach and creating a deterring factor because you can't even touch him without being stabbed even ignoring the little sharp projectiles he can shoot out whenever

He just blocks the sword and the space bending deletes the danmaku around him.
He can do it once, then Koku can just instantly make new ones out of his body before he can reposition himself to make another kick or dodge another attack or literally do anything, especially if they're fighting close and personal where he has no "space" to perform the kick, and he has to block or dodge the incoming strike paired with a buncha blades aiming for him before another similar attack is initiated

I don't see this happening, at all.

That gets countered by honestly so many things it's crazy.
Yeoui is straight up effectively invulnerable here so hitting that with a sword just shatters the sword.
The sword is made of flesh, it simply regenerates as soon as the kick ends and and punctures him, hell, Koku can just lenghten it and take him by surprise.

Recoiless breaks the swords with the spatial bend.
And then the swords regens...this does literally nothing.

And anything else just gets carried by wind manip. Mori copied and implemented barehanded swordsmanship into his fighting style which means he can clash with swords barehanded as if his hands were swords.
You're ignoring the fact that he is dealing with like 11 attacks with every sword swing, sure, he may be able to block the sword but every other attack is going to target him, and he has to deal with those before Koku just swings another time or just straight up launches a buncha blades out his body to slash him in half with.


Plus mere stab wounds and slashes are nothing. Like I said Mori is a cockroach when it comes to surviving wounds. Taek porcupined him with giant blades and Mori kept beating his ass anyway.

I know, but he ain't surviving having his stomach slashed in half enough for his organs to spill out or getting his neck slashed either.
His clone who he should be at least comparable to kept fighting even with all 4 of his limbs missing.
If it even comes to that, he is just losing bro.
 
I have been sleeping.
Same
Maybe?
That is assuming he even lasts that long.
Why wouldn't he?
"Soon enough" is just an empty description, it says nothing about the consequences it will have, how he will do it and how he can deal with it,
Brother Mori could determine completely invisible undetectable abilities the owner couldn't even control just by watching their behavior. Mind you unlike those abilities regeneration is something every other opponent Mori fights has.

Realizing that his opponent is not trying to dodge because he can regenerate is something he could do even if you lobotomized him lmao.
the only attack he has to even mitigate the damage going to be done with the plethora of attacks coming his way is that single kick,
You realize that with speed equalized every swing of Kokushibos sword will at worst give Mori enough time to kick or punch once right?
and no matter how skilled you can't fight an opponent who can simply ignore your threats and attacks to aim for the kill, manifest projectiles out of his body at will and grow sharp swords from where he can send out blades that will cut you in half if you approach and creating a deterring factor because you can't even touch him without being stabbed even ignoring the little sharp projectiles he can shoot out whenever
You absolutely can.
Again Mori has a plethora of AOE attacks to deal with projectiles, and Kokushibo can't just ignore every attack

Because maybe breaking his arm or something is not going to be very effective but if Mori splits him in half with recoiless that's going to leave him immobilized long enough for Mori to just crush or BFR him.

And even breaking his arm or something is actually helpful because that gives Mori a significant advantage for the time it takes him to regenerate. So yes Kokushibo can theoretically ignore getting hurt but if he does so he's just allowing Mori to slowly build up an advantage until a point where Kokushibos entire body is ****** up (or yk, split in half) and mid regen just for him to get crushed.
He can do it once, then Koku can just instantly make new ones out of his body before he can reposition himself to make another kick or dodge another attack or literally do anything,
Except that is also going to severely damage Kokushibo himself making him weakened for the duration of his regeneration allowing Mori to pound more and more attacks until he's overwhelmed enough to not be able to dodge Yeoui.
especially if they're fighting close and personal where he has no "space" to perform the kick, and he has to block or dodge the incoming strike paired with a buncha blades aiming for him before another similar attack is initiated
Actually funny you mentioned this, struggling against extremely close combat was one of the 2 renewal weakness. So this might have been an issue for chapter 80 Mori.

But 5 chapters later Mori fixed it by copying many other martial arts and implementing them. J
So if he struggles at close range he can just use kyakushin karate which generates massive wind bursts with each attack setting up for a one shot KO one.
Or wolgwang swordsmanship which controls wind to replicate a blade around your hand and doesn't even require contact to mess up your brain.
Or he just copies Kokushibos own swordsmanship either with Yeoui or barehanded style, except Mori improves them while doing so.

Point being, fighting "close and personal" stopped being a problem for Mori over 200 chapters before this key.
The sword is made of flesh, it simply regenerates as soon as the kick ends and and punctures him, hell, Koku can just lenghten it and take him by surprise.
Because Mori is going to just leave his foot floating in air.
And Kokushibo is just not going to take any damage.
And Mori is definitely not using his 5B staff to block them.

This is just incorrect.
And then the swords regens...this does literally nothing.
It literally does what it's meant to do - counter the onslaught of his swords.
It doesn't matter if they regenerate because the purpose of it wasn't to delete them permanently. It was to damage Kokushibo while avoiding the current sword attack

And if they're stuck in a sequence of Kokushibo constantly swarming him with swords and Mori constantly breaking them then neither of them are doing anything against the other. Which is a problem for Kokushibo because Mori will just keep growing stronger and stronger until he no longer just obliterates his swords but also his entire upper body and them boom, Yeoui.
I know, but he ain't surviving having his stomach slashed in half enough for his organs to spill out or getting his neck slashed either.
Yeah but Kokushibo is generally just not landing such a devastating blow.

Again mind you Mori only needs to get a single direct recoiless to split him in half allowing him to Yeoui crush.

Hell Mori doesn't even need that, he can just do this or this or even this to obliterate him enough to crush his body entirely. Or just mess up his brain either with a kicks air pressure or barehanded swordsmanship.

There's generally so many ways for Mori to deal with Kokushibou's attacks and take him down without needing to land a direct blow.
Meanwhile the only way to deal with Mori's blows is to either outregen them (which is an eventual suicide) or to dodge, and the only way to best Mori is a direct insta-kill attack. It's so so much easier for Mori to win.
If it even comes to that, he is just losing bro.
Yeah it won't come to that as Mori blitzes long before he'd get hit that much.
What I was getting at is that slicing off Mori's limbs, stabbing him, or just normal slices are not going to be effective. If anything they'll force his AD to kick in faster.

Kokushibo needs a clean one shot one kill blow to actually win.
 
Honestly, I don't see how Kokushibo could land any significant damage on Mori.

Kokushibo scales to 2.93 Megatons, while Mori scales to 6.369 Megatons. So, there’s a gap of a little over 2x between them.

Danmaku attacks shouldn't be a problem for Mori, given his Analytical Prediction, Enhanced Senses, Instinctive Action, especially considering he has already defended against this type of attack before, and he should be comparable to Satan, who is capable of dodging attacks that spawn inside the opponent body. + He can simply use Bo-Bup to either escape Danmaku or close the gap on Kokushibo before he even swing his sword.

+ he could use Wind Mani to create air vortex that deflect Kokushibo Danmaku, or just obliterate it with a Blue Dragon Kick, since that move scales at least 6.52x higher than Kokushibo durability.
 
Honestly, I don't see how Kokushibo could land any significant damage on Mori..

Kokushibo scales to 2.93 Megatons, while Mori scales to 6.369 Megatons. So, there’s a gap of a little over 2x between them.
Actually Mori starts at 0.8 megatons physically. Since OP specified Mori's H7C value rather than the 7B value.
Although with martial arts being accepted as a 3x amp he'd be about >2.4 megatons so about equal in practice.

However AD will basically instantly close any gaps and make Mori gain an advantage relatively fast. Especially if Mori starts feeling pressured.
 
Actually Mori starts at 0.8 megatons physically. Since OP specified Mori's H7C value rather than the 7B value.
Although with martial arts being accepted as a 3x amp he'd be about >2.4 megatons so about equal in practice.

However AD will basically instantly close any gaps and make Mori gain an advantage relatively fast. Especially if Mori starts feeling pressured.
Oh my bad, I guess I didn't read the OP carefully enough, lol.

But my argument stands, I still don't see how Kokushibo could land any significant damage on Mori. That's literally his only wincon, whereas Mori has way more and better wincon.
 
Brother Mori could determine completely invisible undetectable abilities the owner couldn't even control just by watching their behavior. Mind you unlike those abilities regeneration is something every other opponent Mori fights has.
That has nothing to do with what I said?

And even then that can be just a case of specialised knowledge, he can't randomly figure out koku can never die unless completely turned to mush unless he pulverises his head or smth.

Realizing that his opponent is not trying to dodge because he can regenerate is something he could do even if you lobotomized him lmao.
Not instantly?
And that says nothing about how he could then..."fight" him.

You realize that with speed equalized every swing of Kokushibos sword will at worst give Mori enough time to kick or punch once right?
Nope, a slash requires less distance to initiate than a kick, this is not withstanding that, once again, not only can Koku materialise slashes without moving his sword at all, he can spontaneously just spam attacks and for every single slash he can perform 10+ attacks target Mori in addition to the slash, you're not even telling me how he can contend with this, even assuming superior skills that all gets neutralised when he can't do anything to make his opponent respect his threat, his opponent can create slashes out of nowhere, can spam slashes out of nowhere, and for each slash he makes, 10+ attacks manifest.


And not withstanding that Mori literally cannot hit him at all, as soon as he tries to Koku just spams slashes and now basically has thorns all over his body with which he can also shoot slashes that can cut Mori in half.

You simply fundamentally cannot deal with this, the other party can spam more attacks than you can with every attack, is untouchable, and can ignore all your threats.


You absolutely can.
Again Mori has a plethora of AOE attacks to deal with projectiles, and Kokushibo can't just ignore every attack


Because maybe breaking his arm or something is not going to be very effective but if Mori splits him in half with recoiless that's going to leave him immobilized long enough for Mori to just crush or BFR him.
Koku can attack without moving his arms, you know that right?

And even if split in half, he can still manipulate his body to attack, and spam slashes he doesn't need to move his body to create.

There is literally nothing Mori can do, and this is assuming Mori can even manage to split his body in half without being turned to peices somehow

And even breaking his arm or something is actually helpful because that gives Mori a significant advantage for the time it takes him to regenerate.
Koku can slash and spam attacks without moving his arms.

So yes Kokushibo can theoretically ignore getting hurt but if he does so he's just allowing Mori to slowly build up an advantage until a point where Kokushibos entire body is ****** up (or yk, split in half) and mid regen just for him to get crushed.
Would unironically just f Mori up if he assumes that's of any advantage.

Except that is also going to severely damage Kokushibo himself making him weakened for the duration of his regeneration allowing Mori to pound more and more attacks until he's overwhelmed enough to not be able to dodge Yeoui.
Weakened how?
Not only can he regen instantly and nonchalantly he can regen it doesn't weaken him at all.

Actually funny you mentioned this, struggling against extremely close combat was one of the 2 renewal weakness. So this might have been an issue for chapter 80 Mori.


But 5 chapters later Mori fixed it by copying many other martial arts and implementing them. J
So if he struggles at close range he can just use kyakushin karate which generates massive wind bursts with each attack setting up for a one shot KO one.
Or wolgwang swordsmanship which controls wind to replicate a blade around your hand and doesn't even require contact to mess up your brain.
Or he just copies Kokushibos own swordsmanship either with Yeoui or barehanded style, except Mori improves them while doing so.
This ignoring the fact that for every 1 attack he can dish out Koku can dish out a dozen and he has no reason to respect to pay any regard to any of his attacks, can spam lethal strikes even without moving his arms has swords protruding out of his body etc etc.

This literally says nothing about he will deal with literally every disadvantage he has to deal with in this fight, I also have very hight doubts he can "improve" upon Koku's swordsmanship even if he copies it (ignoring the mechanics of the STW and the strain breathing styles cause when performed), and even if he does somehow, that literally does nothing to help against literally every advantage I just listed.

The wind just gets cut trough, blades around your hands mean nothing when you have to deal with a monster than can attack without moving and spam more attacks and projectiles per attack more than you can, can spam said projectiles out of swords he has around his body whenever you even try to attack, and can ignoring everything you do and aim for the kill.

Because Mori is going to just leave his foot floating in air.
And Kokushibo is just not going to take any damage.
And Mori is definitely not using his 5B staff to block them.
No he just can't perform another kick before koku just spams a slash out of nowhere.
And koku can attack even if can't move and even if he takes damage.
and the staff can't block all of them, or any at all if close enough.

It literally does what it's meant to do - counter the onslaught of his swords.
It doesn't matter if they regenerate because the purpose of it wasn't to delete them permanently. It was to damage Kokushibo while avoiding the current sword attack

And if they're stuck in a sequence of Kokushibo constantly swarming him with swords and Mori constantly breaking them then neither of them are doing anything against the other. Which is a problem for Kokushibo because Mori will just keep growing stronger and stronger until he no longer just obliterates his swords but also his entire upper body and them boom, Yeoui.

That once again, assuming Mori can perform a kick faster than Koku can just spontaneously materialise slashes out the many swords in his body.
This just can't work on the simple basis that Mori needs to move more distance to perform an attack, and Koku needs, at worst, less distance to perfrom a slash, assuming he even does that instead of just spamming the blades and making all encompassing slashes out of thin air.

Nothing is stopping Koku from just doing this

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Yeah but Kokushibo is generally just not landing such a devastating blow.

Severely doubt it.
Again mind you Mori only needs to get a single direct recoiless to split him in half allowing him to Yeoui crush

I doubt the latter is landing due to inherent danger sens, and the former will do nothing to stop him from attacking.

These are dudes that can continue the onslaught even if they lose their heads, nothing is stopping Koku from attacking.
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Hell Mori doesn't even need that, he can just do this or this or even this to obliterate him enough to crush his body entirely. Or just mess up his brain either with a kicks air pressure or barehanded swordsmanship.

The only thing that matters here is the stick expanding, and that is the only way he can win, Koku can think without a brain.
There's generally so many ways for Mori to deal with Kokushibou's attacks and take him down without needing to land a direct blow.
There aren't at all?
He only has that single kick, and the only way to end him is via the staff.

Everything else does nothing.
Meanwhile the only way to deal with Mori's blows is to either outregen
Take them and kill him anyways.
them (which is an eventual suicide) or to dodge, and the only way to best Mori is a direct insta-kill attack. It's so so much easier for Mori to win.
Slash his neck or his stomach for his organs to fall.

There are way too many ways I see for Koku to win this and the only way Mori can is via surviving them all somehow and getting enough breathing room to use his stick, any other form of attacking means he loses, straight up.

And the stick I don't even see landing due to the danger sens these dudes have and the slow mo perception.
 
That has nothing to do with what I said?
Huh? You said "soon enough" is just an empty description so I'm expanding on how insanely soon it would be.
And even then that can be just a case of specialised knowledge, he can't randomly figure out koku can never die unless completely turned to mush unless he pulverises his head or smth.
First of all, that's a baseless assumption.

Second of all, it's literally the exact opposite. Mori had no canonically shown knowledge on any of the abilities I mentioned. However for regeneration? Mori fought COUNTLESS regen spammers like this. 7th owner, Satan, Beelzebub, Garuda, Bishop Romario, Taek, Dante, etc.
If there's anything Mori has specialized knowledge on it's goofyass regeneration users. Not an ability a single character in the verse had who Mori has never fought before.
Not instantly?
And that says nothing about how he could then..."fight" him.
I gave you so many options it's crazy.
Nope, a slash requires less distance to initiate than a kick,
This depends on where you're kicking and slicing. The length of an arm + a sword is longer than the length of a leg and both do 90 or 180 degree spins depending on their target.

And that is assuming a high kick. Moris recoiless is a jab than a round house kick.
And not withstanding that Mori literally cannot hit him at all, as soon as he tries to Koku just spams slashes and now basically has thorns all over his body with which he can also shoot slashes that can cut Mori in half.
At this point we're just repeating the same things over and over again. I told you why this isn't a problem like 5 times and you're still just repeating the same thing without actually addressing any arguments.
You simply fundamentally cannot deal with this, the other party can spam more attacks than you can with every attack, is untouchable, and can ignore all your threats.
Saying you cannot deal with it while ignoring the fact I gave you a plethora of ways Mori can deal with it doesn't mean he can't deal with it
Koku can attack without moving his arms, you know that right?
You're literally replying to a quote of me saying "breaking his arm or something may not be effective" and you're asking me if I know that breaking his arms won't be effective?
And even if split in half, he can still manipulate his body to attack, and spam slashes he doesn't need to move his body to create.
Good luck dodging a giant pillar hundreds of meters wide that moves as fast or faster than you can punch by crawling away.
There is literally nothing Mori can do, and this is assuming Mori can even manage to split his body in half without being turned to peices somehow
Again just completely ignoring everything I said. I'm really getting tired af of this man.
Would unironically just f Mori up if he assumes that's of any advantage.
He wouldn't assume it's an advantage, he would know it's an advantage because it objectively is one.
Weakened how?
Not only can he regen instantly and nonchalantly he can regen it doesn't weaken him at all.
Because regeneration takes time and when you're fighting an opponent as skilled or more and you suddenly can't properly use your limb for even a moment that leaves you open for further attacks.
This ignoring the fact that for every 1 attack he can dish out Koku can dish out a dozen and he has no reason to respect to pay any regard to any of his attacks, can spam lethal strikes even without moving his arms has swords protruding out of his body etc etc.
Literally none of this was ignored, you just keep ignoring all the countless ways I list that Mori can deal with that.
This literally says nothing about he will deal with literally every disadvantage he has to deal with in this fight, I also have very hight doubts he can "improve" upon Koku's swordsmanship even if he copies it (ignoring the mechanics of the STW and the strain breathing styles cause when performed), and even if he does somehow, that literally does nothing to help against literally every advantage I just listed.
What "literally says" everything about how he'll deal with the disadvantages is all the cases of me telling you how he'll do it.
The wind just gets cut trough,
Huh?
Since when is Kokushibo strong enough to do that? If anything he's going to be too weak to even pierce Mori's skin pretty quickly, wdym Kokushibo will just cut through Mori's wind? 😭
blades around your hands mean nothing when you have to deal with a monster than can attack without moving and spam more attacks and projectiles per attack more than you can, can spam said projectiles out of swords he has around his body whenever you even try to attack, and can ignoring everything you do and aim for the kill.
Blades around your hands are a counter to him getting poked by Kokushibos body swords not to the danmaku. Stop strawmanning what I say.

Why is it that every argument I make you either strawman tf out of it or just ignore it completely?
No he just can't perform another kick before koku just spams a slash out of nowhere.
Dude stop strawmanning me. I'm ******* done with your goofy ass. Either you're not reading what you're replying to or you're purposely strawmanning everything I say (assuming you even respond to that). I said "Because Mori is going to just leave his foot floating in air." because you said Koku will pierce his foot after the kick ends.

Nothing about performing another entire kick.
And koku can attack even if can't move and even if he takes damage.
and the staff can't block all of them, or any at all if close enough.
It literally can. It's a staff that can grow to hundreds of meters if not hundreds of kilometers in all dimensions.
That once again, assuming Mori can perform a kick faster than Koku can just spontaneously materialise slashes out the many swords in his body.
No, I'm assuming Mori can kick faster than the slashes travel towards Mori.
This just can't work on the simple basis that Mori needs to move more distance to perform an attack, and Koku needs, at worst, less distance to perfrom a slash, assuming he even does that instead of just spamming the blades and making all encompassing slashes out of thin air.
Mori doesn't need to move more distance whatsoever. Especially once you stop ignoring the fact that Mori has a huge bag of other abilities than just kicks.
Nothing is stopping Koku from just doing this

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Do what exactly? That looks extremely ineffective, it straight up did nothing.
Severely doubt it.
Based on what?
Honestly I'm also getting tired of being so generous about your assumptions.
I haven't been given a single analytical, prediction, adaptive, or general skill feat that'd even scratch base Mori. Nor any abilities that would get past Yeouis defensive capabilities or Mori's dodging feats like the one M2 mentioned.
I doubt the latter is landing due to inherent danger sens, and the former will do nothing to stop him from attacking.
Be so fr "inherit danger sense" is not helping you dodge an attack hundreds of meters in diameter while you're split in half or generally have a messed up body.

Hell Yeoui scales to your combat speed and has a massive range that can't really be covered by combat speed. What suggests Kokushibos travel speed can match Yeoui?
These are dudes that can continue the onslaught even if they lose their heads, nothing is stopping Koku from attacking.
Yeah but walking without functioning limbs is kidna hard.
The only thing that matters here is the stick expanding, and that is the only way he can win,
Again just ignoring my arguments. What does Kokushibo do if Mori stabs him with it and expands it from inside his body?
What does he do if Mori slams him from the top and expands it there?
What does he do if Mori just hits him with it and expands it from there?
There aren't at all?
He only has that single kick, and the only way to end him is via the staff.
Yeah if you ignore the 50 other ways that both me and M2u12 have mentioned.
Yeah 1 kick. Plus every other renewal kick that generates giant vortexes either around himself or the opponent, and all the kyakushin karate moves that generate wide range wind blasts, and all the possible uses of Yeoui ranging from spinning it to using it as a sword to just simply expanding it as a shield that can block it all. Oh and don't forget the AD which will eventually let Mori just no-sell his attacks by outgrowing them.

Yeah just one kick as long as we ignore everything else.
Take them and kill him anyways.
Taking them cripples Kokushibo and let's Mori crush him easily before he can regen and run away.
Slash his neck
Yeah I bet the guy with a worse prediction skills, worse analytical skills, worse cqc skills, worse AD, and no way to get past Yeoui is totally slashing Mori's neck.
or his stomach for his organs to fall.
That'd have to be an extremely deep wound which he's just not landing.
And the stick I don't even see landing due to the danger sens these dudes have and the slow mo perception.
Danger sense isn't going to let you outrun a pillar hundreds of meters in size that moves at your combat speed.

Especially not if the pillar is currently stabbed through your chest or laying on your head.
 
Anyway like I said I'm tired of exchanging Bible long messages just for most of them to either be strawmans or straight up just ignoring what I said.

I'm not going to reply to a comment that says Mori has no counter to something that I listed 10 counters to already anymore.
 
Anyway like I said I'm tired of exchanging Bible long messages just for most of them to either be strawmans or straight up just ignoring what I said.
Bro the post was like 850 words long or smth.

"Bible long messages" 🥀

If you're not arguing anymore that's fine by me, you don't particularly sound thrilled to reply back to any yap anyways.

May or may not reply later tho, depends on my mood.
 
Mori fra. Stw getting glazed here ngl. seeing with slowed time and x ray just isnt in any way comparable to seeing entire battle sequences play out before it happens. And I dont think anyone mentioned that recoiless also removes the need for stuff like stances or setup. That will impede koku's predictions. And mori's eyes of truth also grants him the xray application of stw. At best stw allows koku not to get skill stomped.
 
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