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Mori cant dodge if Sukuna is rel + he has world slash that scales to ftl
Daddy would adapt and grow wings to fly back (like when he fought dabura)
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Jin Mori vs Ryomen Sukuna (7-3-0)
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Daddy would adapt and grow wings to fly back (like when he fought dabura)
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The curse invulnerability argument is absolutely fair since it's currently applied to Shikigami as well. He can interact just fine he just can't harm any of the Ten Shadows without haxing them.
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Sukuna only has rel reactions but speed is equalized so that doesn't matter (Mori in MKM would be 0.2c compared to Sukunas 0.12c anyway).
And slashes scaling to FTL is cool but Mori can always just aimdodge since from what I've seen Sukuna points his hand towards where he wants to slash. Especially WCS which takes verbal incantations and a handsign.
Wings can't actually help you in space because they need to push off of air which is famously nonexistent in space. It'd need to grow some sort of rocket that shoots it instead.
Big Raga would also have to adapt to its lungs bursting, blood boiling, skin burning, and all the other effects of outer space like intense radiation and potentially even meteors hitting it and further changing it's trajectory, all while having to overpower class Z level LS pushing it away from earth.
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I'm not saying it's "not fair". Like I said:
All I was doing was pointing out the irony of whining about fear hax while gooning an equally sloppy ability.
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its not equally sloppy bro
i dont think blitzing will help 'dodge' domain expansion...especially sukuna's because of the 200m radius thing
i dont think blitzing will help 'dodge' domain expansion...especially sukuna's because of the 200m radius thing
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I wanna say that since speed is equalized, Sukuna would have 15000x reaction speed over Mori's normal speed (in his profile, Mori's amp only goes up to 8x).
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You're right, because one has a reasonable and relatively common answer while the other is just "you must either be from the same verse or have an extremely niche ability to even affect me".
Domains don't have infinite range. What stops Mori from just jumping outside of it? He could also just grab his Yeoui and extend it so he's a kilometer above it.
They're also not indestructible (yeah they're much more durable from the inside than outside but not indestructible) so technically even if he were to slip up he could just punch through it since his base stats are already over 10x higher than Sukunas physicals and he can further increase them with different techniques and transformations.
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i thought mori can't jump outside of it because of its 200m AOE
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Yeah I'm aware.
Yeah but his transformation is accepted to be massively above a 48x overall multiplier and his martial arts are accepted to be another 3x multiplier.
Like I mentioned earlier actually applying the tier changes is something I'm currently working on but it's such a wide CRT that it's taking some time. Especially since I'm also looking through supportive calcs and whatnot
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Well that might honestly be debatable if he's just jumping up. Mori in this key jumped higher than some apartment buildings while carrying another person so trying to jump out upwards would be very close and he'd most likely fail in base.
But trying to dash outside on the ground should work. Either way Yeoui has him covered since it can extend hundreds of kilometers and Mori uses it for mobility in-character.
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He's only mhs
All at is nothing bro remember that Daddy can adapt to everything including extraterrestrial forces so Daddy can adapt to being in space
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Whether Mori is Mach 1 or MFTL+ here doesn't matter because speed is equalized.
Yeah but Raga has to adapt to all of the stuff I mentioned, heal, then grow a rocket out of its ass, and THEN grow to class Z LS just so it can stop flying away from earth, and only then fly the entire distance back at which point it'd also need to develop some interplanetary radar to even find the fight location.
All of which gives Mori enough time to actually fight Sukuna directly, where even if Mori didn't already kill Sukuna he'd probably have grown so much stronger thanks to his own AD he'd just chuck Mahoraga back in space even harder
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You can call him anything but daddy
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Sukuna still 15000 faster so Mori cannot land a single hit at all
Daddy literly stated can adapt to all phenomena so those things wont matter. Look how Daddy came from nothing when hes fighting dabura
And who decided that
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That's only reaction speed. Which also doesn't help against large scale AOE strong enough to one shot if it hits.
But even Mori couldn't hit him with AOE attacks or his hundreds of kilometers large staff, that'd just make Mori eventually catch up to his speed through AD and then it's even worse for Sukuna
I'm not saying Mahoraga won't be able to adapt to them at all. I'm saying adapting and coming back would take a long enough time for Mori to actually fight Sukuna.
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What aoe? When Mori can increase his speed up to 15000 fast
DAddy would just get desummon and resummon by Sukuna lol. Also Daddy can adapt to being thrown to space
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Curses (and Shikigami) have accepted invulnerability now, so like, quit whining
Sukuna just de-summons them and then summons them back right next to him
Sukuna does not need to point anywhere to send slashes
And good luck aim dodging an invisible wall of slashes like this
Which Mori would know that he needs to dodge how? and what? he wont even know what's coming
also, i still cant get a clear answer through so many matches(not referring to you David), if assuming this is Meguna from chapter 235, he shouldnt have any restrictions like chants and only needs to do the handsign to cast WCS, as he only places the BV on himself to beat Gojo
And Mahoraga himself would have an unconditional WCS, with Sukuna being capable of doing a BV like he did for Gojo to also cast an unconditional WCS with no movement
So Maho can slice Mori off the bet
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Mori just falling can bust a hill and create a massive sandstorm taking down those hit by it. And his Yeoui can extend hundreds of kilometers large.
Transformation alone makes him far more than 48x faster.
His AD can cover massive stat gaps almost instantly so that'd take care of the rest. Like this key has 2 values because Mori overcame an 8x speed and strength gap by the time he threw 4 kicks.
By the next key Mori becomes 200,000c (MFTL+) and all he did was train how to punch with less force during that time.
Mori wouldn't let Sukuna summon him anymore. He's a combat genius he might honestly not even let Sukuna summon him once
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I know, I'm not saying they don't.
And Mori has accepted layered fear manipulation.
The only one whining about either of them was you.
The moment Sukuna tries waving the hand sign and reciting the chant Mori is throwing his ass to space too lmao
Yeah he just does it 99% of the time.Sukuna does not need to point anywhere to send slashes
He either throws a slash which Mori nearly no-sells because of his 10x higher durability or dodges because of aimdodging, and Sukuna is never hitting another slash again.
Especially when Mori transforms since eyes of truth can see energy of an attack before it's even launched (such as in-exploded bombs). So even if he won't see the slashes themselves he'd see the energy
Mori's intelligence was called beyond understanding by a person who funded and actively used a quantum computer designed for combat, and himself possessed intelligence of a billion year old God capable of inventing what's basically infinitely replicating Mahoragas. And he's been shown keeping up with future seeing opponents in predictions as well as people like Baek who can read the entire fight between completely unknown amount of unknown people just by looking at the destruction left by them.And good luck aim dodging an invisible wall of slashes like this
So I think he'll be more than fine tbh. And it's not like getting hit by a 550 kiloton attack would hurt a 6 megaton character anyway. And if Mori transforms that's almost 300 megatons too.
Ignoring the obvious problem with eyes of truth helping a lot, Mori is ridiculously intelligent. He could decipher and counter abilities like sound based ignition point manipulation after seeing them used once even without his special eyes.
I think seeing an evil wizard chant a spell and point towards him would be more than enough to think "hmm maybe I should dodge".
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Sure but that doesn't mean they're immune to fear. If Sukuna is too busy wetting his pants how is he gonna just power thru it?
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He's been fearful once in his life, so prove Mori Jin's able to replicate that fear.
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With Mori's golden eyes and fiery pupils he can discern info, but honestly, he likely won't even need that, Mori has been able to break down complex abilities just at a glance. He would likely pick up on the general function of Sukuna's technique, at least on a surface level pretty quickly, he'd be able to discern a lot of Sukuna's capabilities. In a hand-to-hand exchange, Sukuna is getting absolutely destroyed. If it comes down to that, I doubt Sukuna can deal with Mori, he'd need to use a Domain Expansion to try and get Mori off of him and give himself some space, but then again, Mori can likely disrupt the handsign.
Sukuna prefers CQC, so if he gets into close range with Mori, he is going to get absolutely clobbered. If Mori strikes him in the head once, he could potentially die from that.
Sukuna prefers CQC, so if he gets into close range with Mori, he is going to get absolutely clobbered. If Mori strikes him in the head once, he could potentially die from that.
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Unless Sukuna has some prep time, at best he'd assume he's dealing with a heavenly restriction user and try to engage in hand-to-hand, especially due to the fact that Sukuna is really curious about HR users. Sukuna's best shot is to somehow survive a close-quarters exchange with Mori and retreat to the shadows and use Mahoraga perpetually while hiding; the problem is I don't see Sukuna surviving a close-quarters encounter with Mori at all; he gets cliffed in skill badly, and a fatal blow to the head could be game for Sukuna in general.
Sukuna has win-cons, but I think Mori has more consistent and easier-to-access win-cons. Both prefer CQC and if Sukuna engages in that he likely dies.
Sukuna has win-cons, but I think Mori has more consistent and easier-to-access win-cons. Both prefer CQC and if Sukuna engages in that he likely dies.
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Yeah you can put me as voting for Mori on this
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Do you cast your vote here?
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Yeah you can count me for Mori.
Insane skill advantage, huge AP/dura advantage, physical speed advantage, AD to catch up to any reaction speed differences if necessary, eyes and predictions to dodge WCS, etc.
He's going to be fighting on thin ice since any WCS could potentially one shot him with a direct hit but he has the kit to pull it off more times than not
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Current votes:
Mori: 3 (@ShroobWasTaken, @Thermor, @DavidTPPM)
Sukuna: 2 (@Arkenis, @Tuxidoe_Redo)
Lmk if I miss anyone
Mori: 3 (@ShroobWasTaken, @Thermor, @DavidTPPM)
Sukuna: 2 (@Arkenis, @Tuxidoe_Redo)
Lmk if I miss anyone
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For Sukuna's WCS, he does the entire process (chanting and pointing) at Relativistic speeds. How would Mori predict and evade that if Sukuna's reactions are going to be several thousand times faster than him in speed equal?
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If Sukunas ability to yap and throw gang signs is relativistic than that's not reaction speed but combat speed. From the Speed page on the wiki:
Either way it gets predicted
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That's the issue though Sukuna would engage him in h2h which is likely a death sentence.
Additionally, Sukuna needs to do the hand sign, which Mori can very easily disrupt.
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Sukuna had the hand signs set up before Kashimo fired, in case anyone is wondering.
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Speed page:
"Reaction speed is the speed at which a character can react to an event or action. This usually only grants a short movement upon reaction, whereas several movements at the same speed switch it to combat speed."
Hell this is from the Reactions page linked on Sukunas profile:
" Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed"
If Sukuna can talk and wave signs that fast then it's not reaction speed. If Sukuna can dodge an attack at rel+ but otherwise he's stuck and a lower speed? That's reaction speed.
Honestly now that I'm reading the speed section of the profile it was clearly made by someone who has no idea what reaction speed is. His "reaction speed" justification involves blitzing people and swapping hands with Gojo in a regular cqc exchange described as "fighting Gojo" none of which are reaction speed based on our Speed page
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Well, actually, his reaction speed is specifically referring to this. Sukuna is able to chant and fire WCS as an electromagnetic wave is shot towards him and intercept it.
While it's a viable win-con to hit Mori with it, the problem, like I said before, is Sukuna prefers CQC, and he is a very curious person, seeing someone like Mori would stir him up to engage him. This is ESPECIALLY the case because Sukuna, when seeing Maki, who possesses no CE, was spurred on and engaged her in hand-to-hand combat, completely ignoring his RCT to fight her.
There's a good chance Sukuna would be enthralled by Mori's raw physical power and engage in pure hands, if this ends up happening, Sukuna can genuinely get ripped in two.
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All he does is point his hand and chant. He's not throwing up a bunch of hand signs
You are right that his reaction speed justification is wonky. But this is just reaction speed. He points and speaks.
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Given the extremely high likelihood of Mori and Sukuna getting into it in a hand-to-hand exchange, I don't think Sukuna would get an opportunity to properly use WCS. If he engages Mori in close quarters, he'll get instantly overwhelmed, and Mori has techniques specifically targeting the head/brain. If Sukuna gets caught in such a situation, Mori can genuinely kill him before anything major happens.
This is what I mean by Mori's win-cons being more consistent and easier to access. They're consistent because both Sukuna and Mori will engage in CQC, and Mori can very easily kill Sukuna in this exchange. Sukuna's win-cons mainly hinge on him surviving this exchange, which I think is unlikely given the AP and skill disparity. Him winning is certainly possible, but I see him dying in the first exchange more times than not.
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