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Jin Mori vs Ryomen Sukuna (7-3-0)

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Thermor said:
What does the fear manipulation do?
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Fear (The God of High School)

Fear, also referred to as "pressure" is an ability of every fighter[1] in the God of High School series. It works as a supernatural aura released when a character displays hostility and can have many different effects on the target. Naturally, as characters get stronger this skill improves in...
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M2u12 said:
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Mori Dan vs Satoru Gojo

Oh baby this is gonna be good. The Strongest Sorcerer of Today vs The Strongest Monster of the Past Present Gojo and GoH Preliminaries Mori. Speed equalised. Victory via SBA.
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I didn't see the matchup in their profiles. But since it's from 2024, I believe their stats has changed a lot.
 
Just add that this match was done but things changed for Gojo since then.
 
Yeah this was already concluded as an incon before. Mori can't bypass Infinity but Gojo can't hit Mori.
Thermor said:
I didn't see the matchup in their profiles. But since it's from 2024, I believe their stats has changed a lot.
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For Mori they didn't.
They will, probably some time in February (I have a GoH CRT that buffs up this version of Mori by few hundred times already drafted but I'm still working on the details because it also affects the top tiers), but they didn't since then.

As for Gojo it doesn't really matter because the main problem he faces remains unchanged
 
Huesito88 said:
With extra cheese or pepperoni? 🍕
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ANY toppings in all honesty. There's gotta be somethin

Thermor said:
What does the fear manipulation do?
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Fear in GoH, makes people completely stunned and silenced, to even them running away. Its pretty much like how Sukuna in Shibuya was to Nanako/Mimiko. Just now Layered…

While Mori can bend space with a kick. I don't know if that's enough to bypass Infinity.
 
DavidTPPM said:
Yeah this was already concluded as an incon before. Mori can't bypass Infinity but Gojo can't hit Mori.

For Mori they didn't.
They will, probably some time in February (I have a GoH CRT that buffs up this version of Mori by few hundred times already drafted but I'm still working on the details because it also affects the top tiers), but they didn't since then.

As for Gojo it doesn't really matter because the main problem he faces remains unchanged
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I think with speed equalized, it would change as Gojo has relavistic reactions (which is like 15000x faster than his normal speed).
 
Thermor said:
I think with speed equalized, it would change as Gojo has relavistic reactions (which is like 15000x faster than his normal speed).
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Probably not tbh. It doesn't change the fact that Mori can't bypass Infinity making any situation where Gojo wins inherently a stomp.
It slightly helps but doesn't really change the fact that Gojo gets skill-checked by Mori either

Basically the entire fight is just them trying to hit each other until they both realize it's pointless and both just go home. The only possible argument I can see happening is that Mori finds some way to bypass Infinity through his cracked BIQ but that gets deeply into NLF territory
 
DavidTPPM said:
Probably not tbh. It doesn't change the fact that Mori can't bypass Infinity making any situation where Gojo wins inherently a stomp.
It slightly helps but doesn't really change the fact that Gojo gets skill-checked by Mori either

Basically the entire fight is just them trying to hit each other until they both realize it's pointless and both just go home. The only possible argument I can see happening is that Mori finds some way to bypass Infinity through his cracked BIQ but that gets deeply into NLF territory
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Should I change Mori's opp to Sukuna? I think Meguna should do fine.
 
Something something Mahoraga and the other Shikigami are invulnerable and the former adapts as he fights, something something Malevolent Shrine, something something layered invisible slashes.
 
Wait I thought Jin Mori doesn't instantly stomp with fear hax from that Deoxys vs Mori thread
 
Wait, Sukuna doesn't have Supernatural Willpower? wouldn't he just get fear diff than?
 
Sorcerers turn their fear into cursed energy, will just empower him more.

God do not turn this into a stupid layer debate
 
Bro sukuna himself would likely have "layered fear manip" if someone bothered with it
yall cant seriously be arguing fear aura as a wincon
 
M2u12 said:
Wouldn't Sukuna’s mind break first? Executive / Priest level FM has MM2.
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That's not MM2, its just more overwhelming aura. God I hate layered shit. Can we ban this thought process?
 
Okay first of all Mori is like 20x stronger than Sukunas physicals and his transformation isn't banned so he can just stat boost himself by >48x. Unless Mori is restricted to base pre-AD he just stat gaps and then transforms to stat gap even further.

Second of all, how exactly is Sukuna hitting Mori? Not only does Mori seem to be immensely more skilled (I'm saying seem because I haven't gotten THAT far into jjk) but he'll be growing stronger, faster, and more skilled as the fight goes on.

Lastly, it's hilarious how some people are whining about fear hax when the literal first response to the match up was "urhh Mori doesn't have cursed energy so he can't interact with spirits" and this was just a response to that. Your first instinct is to goon verse-specific version of a common trash tier hax (basically just jjk version of basic soul incorporeality) but when someone does the same thing back to you you bawl your eyes out? Sure bro
 
why you comparing ******* fear hax to cursed energy interaction
its not the same at all
a lot of ppl use fear hax layers as an argument coz their character doesn't have anything else that wins, fear hax is known to be the most rattiest argument here
 
Robo432343 said:
why you comparing ******* fear hax to cursed energy interaction
its not the same at all
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It is the same thing here. It's just verse specific fear inducement vs verse specific spirit physiology. Literally just glorified spirit incorporeality

"I don't care if you can hurt spirits, you specifically need poopfart energy to hurt spirits in MY verse"
"okay well i don't care if you resist basic fear, in my verse you'd need layered resistance or at least crazy willpower"
"WHAAAT NOOOOO HOW DARE YOU USE YOUR VERSE SPECIFIC ABILITIES?!?!?"
 
i see where the misunderstanding is happening
DavidTPPM said:
"urhh Mori doesn't have cursed energy so he can't interact with spirits"
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this isn't about cursed energy, its about sukuna's layered slashes..we know mori has NPI to interact with spirits, its just layered for Sukuna
basically sukuna's layered slashes > normal cursed energy interaction

literally no one in this thread said anything close to, "mori doesn't have cursed energy so he can't interact with spirits", they were talking about sukuna's layered slashes
 
Robo432343 said:
i see where the misunderstanding is happening

this isn't about cursed energy, its about sukuna's layered slashes..we know mori has NPI to interact with spirits, its just layered for Sukuna
basically sukuna's layered slashes > normal cursed energy interaction

literally no one in this thread said anything close to, "mori doesn't have cursed energy so he can't interact with spirits", they were talking about sukuna's layered slashes
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There is a little bit of that since this is Meguna who has Mahoraga and the other Ten Shadows.
 
Robo432343 said:
i see where the misunderstanding is happening

this isn't about cursed energy, its about sukuna's layered slashes..we know mori has NPI to interact with spirits, its just layered for Sukuna
basically sukuna's layered slashes > normal cursed energy interaction

literally no one in this thread said anything close to, "mori doesn't have cursed energy so he can't interact with spirits", they were talking about sukuna's layered slashes
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I wasn't talking about Sukunas invisible slashes, those are totally invisible and I have no problems with that. But the literal first argument in this match up, which is what M2u12 who yall jumped for it, was responding to is

"Something something Mahoraga and the other Shikigami are invulnerable".

Trust me both me and M2 hate the "X loses because he's not from Ys verse" arguments just as much as you or anyone else, but when both sides participate in the issue complaining about one and abusing the other is just hypocritical.

I actually don't even think neither of these 2 really matter. I was under the impression that Sukuna should have enough willpower to survive the fear, and Mori just yanks the spirits to space if he can't hurt them. Only reason I even responded to it was the hypocrisy
 
DavidTPPM said:
I wasn't talking about Sukunas invisible slashes, those are totally invisible and I have no problems with that. But the literal first argument in this match up, which is what M2u12 who yall jumped for it, was responding to is

"Something something Mahoraga and the other Shikigami are invulnerable".

Trust me both me and M2 hate the "X loses because he's not from Ys verse" arguments just as much as you or anyone else, but when both sides participate in the issue complaining about one and abusing the other is just hypocritical.

I actually don't even think neither of these 2 really matter. I was under the impression that Sukuna should have enough willpower to survive the fear, and Mori just yanks the spirits to space if he can't hurt them. Only reason I even responded to it was the hypocrisy
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OK but how would Mori handle domain and his Daddy
 
DavidTPPM said:
Lastly, it's hilarious how some people are whining about fear hax when the literal first response to the match up was "urhh Mori doesn't have cursed energy so he can't interact with spirits" and this was just a response to that. Your first instinct is to goon verse-specific version of a common trash tier hax (basically just jjk version of basic soul incorporeality) but when someone does the same thing back to you you bawl your eyes out
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except that fear hax are not verse specific and is just definition of the sloppiest argument ever
 
Mommyleona said:
except that fear hax are not verse specific
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That's case specific. Many verses like Naruto or Bleach have fear manipulation as a passive side effect of their power system meanwhile others like GoH have it as a unique passive ability that everyone has to an extent.
Mommyleona said:
and is just definition of the sloppiest argument ever
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Mhm and "they can't hit my character because they're from a different verse!!1!!¡!" is totally not the sloppiest argument ever. Remember kids, when we do it it's legit and cool but when they do it it's slop and fake.

Well there is a difference and that is, FM has an actual reasonable and relatively common counter
 
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